If any of you are still not understanding how the world works:
An Overview of the Dunning-Kruger Effect:
This phenomenon is something you have likely experienced in real life, perhaps around the dinner table at a holiday family gathering. Throughout the course of the meal, a member of your extended family begins spouting off on a topic at length, boldly proclaiming that he is correct and that everyone else's opinion is stupid, uninformed, and just plain wrong. It may be plainly evident to everyone in the room that this person has no idea what he is talking about, yet he prattles on, blithely oblivious to his own ignorance.
The effect is named after researchers David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the two social psychologists who first described it. In their original study on this psychological phenomenon, they performed a series of four investigations.
People who scored in the lowest percentiles on tests of grammar, humor, and logic also tended to dramatically overestimate how well they had performed (their actual test scores placed them in the 12th percentile, but they estimated that their performance placed them in the 62nd percentile).
To summarise, those with the least knowledge about something, think they know the most.
This covers most of human history.
Now close the internet
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 30 seconds ago
If any of you are still not understanding how the world works:
An Overview of the Dunning-Kruger Effect:
This phenomenon is something you have likely experienced in real life, perhaps around the dinner table at a holiday family gathering. Throughout the course of the meal, a member of your extended family begins spouting off on a topic at length, boldly proclaiming that he is correct and that everyone else's opinion is stupid, uninformed, and just plain wrong. It may be plainly evident to everyone in the room that this person has no idea what he is talking about, yet he prattles on, blithely oblivious to his own ignorance.
The effect is named after researchers David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the two social psychologists who first described it. In their original study on this psychological phenomenon, they performed a series of four investigations.
People who scored in the lowest percentiles on tests of grammar, humor, and logic also tended to dramatically overestimate how well they had performed (their actual test scores placed them in the 12th percentile, but they estimated that their performance placed them in the 62nd percentile).
To summarise, those with the least knowledge about something, think they know the most.
This covers most of human history.
Now close the internet
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I know stuff
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
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They are not part of the same family, but because they are both respiratory diseases they have some comparison.
Coronavirus is in the same bacterial family as SARS and MERS (also respiratory diseases), which we have been aware of for some time now. SARS official name is SARS coronavirus, so this is just a mutated strain.
Interestingly, all of those who say Covid-19 cannot have come from bats and was man made, SARS coronavirus was originally genetically traced to a colony of horseshoe bats, so it would not come as a surprise if Covid-19 also originated from bats.
Whether this disproves any theory, I do not know.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are not part of the same family, but because they are both respiratory diseases they have some comparison.
Coronavirus is in the same bacterial family as SARS and MERS (also respiratory diseases), which we have been aware of for some time now. SARS official name is SARS coronavirus, so this is just a mutated strain.
Interestingly, all of those who say Covid-19 cannot have come from bats and was man made, SARS coronavirus was originally genetically traced to a colony of horseshoe bats, so it would not come as a surprise if Covid-19 also originated from bats.
Whether this disproves any theory, I do not know.
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Is anyone claiming it can’t have come from bats?
I’ve not seen that tbh
Blimey. Passengers who lie on their passenger locator forms - which are filled in before landing in the UK so the government knows where you have come from and where you are going - will face up to TEN YEARS in prison.
comment by U1878 SILKY BLUE (U1878)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
So! Barry is an absolute tosspot then.
Not got anything better to do you thick Pratt?
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone double down like this having been Barry'd.
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by U1878 SILKY BLUE (U1878)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
So! Barry is an absolute tosspot then.
Not got anything better to do you thick Pratt?
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone double down like this having been Barry'd.
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I haven’t said it was man made however the laboratory is a COVID testing/research centre in Wuhan.
To say it’s crackpot is essentially crackpot.
————
This reads like one of Barry’s.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 34 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We see zoonotic transmission from all kinds of domesticated and wild mammals and birds.
Name a mammal, and at some point it has probably passed a disease on to Sapiens.
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 2 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
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Given that we don’t have *any* historical evidence of *any* pandemic outbreak resulting from human error in a laboratory, and that we do have lots and lots and lots of historical evidence detailing pandemic outbreaks resulting from zoonotic transmission, human error is neither the simplest, nor is it the remotely the most likely explanation.
comment by rosso - exterminate the talking heads (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 34 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We see zoonotic transmission from all kinds of domesticated and wild mammals and birds.
Name a mammal, and at some point it has probably passed a disease on to Sapiens.
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morganucodontids
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 42 minutes ago
If any of you are still not understanding how the world works:
An Overview of the Dunning-Kruger Effect:
This phenomenon is something you have likely experienced in real life, perhaps around the dinner table at a holiday family gathering. Throughout the course of the meal, a member of your extended family begins spouting off on a topic at length, boldly proclaiming that he is correct and that everyone else's opinion is stupid, uninformed, and just plain wrong. It may be plainly evident to everyone in the room that this person has no idea what he is talking about, yet he prattles on, blithely oblivious to his own ignorance.
The effect is named after researchers David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the two social psychologists who first described it. In their original study on this psychological phenomenon, they performed a series of four investigations.
People who scored in the lowest percentiles on tests of grammar, humor, and logic also tended to dramatically overestimate how well they had performed (their actual test scores placed them in the 12th percentile, but they estimated that their performance placed them in the 62nd percentile).
To summarise, those with the least knowledge about something, think they know the most.
This covers most of human history.
Now close the internet
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wasn't this gentleman running the free world only weeks ago...
Has he tried to buy out Twitter yet
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
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I like the certainty of the "probably". Are you ok if I use this as evidence that that's what happened, in my dissertation?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently it’s crackpot to suggest human error
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like the certainty of the "probably". Are you ok if I use this as evidence that that's what happened, in my dissertation?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely, please use the correct citation procedure though.
Question about being injected with 5G..
Do you need a battery, & where do they put it..?
Yours
Worried of Tunbridge Wells
comment by Pranks 2021 (U22336)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks 2021 (U22336)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes, I always alluded to the opinion of it being man made and accidentally released on to the world from the Chinese but it looks like that was just a crackpot conspiracy theory as more evidence is alluding to it coming from animals. Other people on this thread seem to agree.
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It could be either tbf but I wouldn’t believe Fack all coming from China.
The fact the testing laboratory is in Wuhan and the breakout was there doesn’t make it crackpot at all.
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It's right up there with Salisbury producing novichok just because it's near Portland down.
I have little to no doubt that had it originated in somewhere like Sweden not one person would say it was man made.
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I haven’t said it was man made however the laboratory is a COVID testing/research centre in Wuhan.
To say it’s crackpot is essentially crackpot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tin Remove Please Your Hat Foil
Rearrange as necessary
From what I've read, epidemiologists prior to Covid-19 in projections both anticipated a global pandemic of this nature and predicted that an environment where human and wild species are in close contact, such as a Chinese wet market would be a likely point of origin.
From this you might conclude that the epidemiologists are in on the conspiracy.
Rosso: not a pandemic, but the director of the Wuhan lab herself wrote a paper in 2010 on the leaking of a virus from a lab in Yunnan, China that led to human infection - a graduate student was blamed for the leak. So it is possible and knowing humans I wouldn't be surprised if it was leaked accidentally. B
But I acknowledge that zoonotic transmission is likely. At the same time, discussing anything other than zoonotic transmission without proof either way doesn't make someone a mad conspiracy theorist - it's only natural to question things given that a) we know China routinely lie, b) humans are idiots.
The BBC also reported on their own attempts to visit both the cave where it is believed the virus originated from - where miners were taken ill and died and samples from the bats were then taken to the lab in Wuhan - and the Wuhan lab itself. Needless to say, their route was repeatedly blocked by broken down cars and closed roads until they were forced to give up. So clearly China is being secretive for some reason (IMO probably because they messed up and want to cover their harrises)
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are not part of the same family, but because they are both respiratory diseases they have some comparison.
Coronavirus is in the same bacterial family as SARS and MERS (also respiratory diseases), which we have been aware of for some time now. SARS official name is SARS coronavirus, so this is just a mutated strain.
Interestingly, all of those who say Covid-19 cannot have come from bats and was man made, SARS coronavirus was originally genetically traced to a colony of horseshoe bats, so it would not come as a surprise if Covid-19 also originated from bats.
Whether this disproves any theory, I do not know.
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Is anyone claiming it can’t have come from bats?
I’ve not seen that tbh
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I was referring to those who believe that it is man made, not that is hasn't come from bats.
It's just evidence of how SARS developed from bats who are in the same family as this coronavirus strain, which has also allegedly developed from bats, that could disprove those who believe that it is man made.
As I have said before though, with it heavily involving China, we will probably never know.
comment by Pranks 2021 (U22336)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
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Apparently it’s crackpot to suggest human error
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I wouldn’t go as far as crackpot, but as Diafol has said, until there’s any evidence supporting the human error theory, it’s wise to use Occam’s Razor here.
It’s just overwhelmingly likely that we’ve seen zoonotic transmission, in a wet market or otherwise.
There are just (literally) hundreds of examples of the same thing happening historically.
A lot of people seem to be very uncomfortable with the idea of random, natural phenomena.
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Origins of COVID-19
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posted on 9/2/21
If any of you are still not understanding how the world works:
An Overview of the Dunning-Kruger Effect:
This phenomenon is something you have likely experienced in real life, perhaps around the dinner table at a holiday family gathering. Throughout the course of the meal, a member of your extended family begins spouting off on a topic at length, boldly proclaiming that he is correct and that everyone else's opinion is stupid, uninformed, and just plain wrong. It may be plainly evident to everyone in the room that this person has no idea what he is talking about, yet he prattles on, blithely oblivious to his own ignorance.
The effect is named after researchers David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the two social psychologists who first described it. In their original study on this psychological phenomenon, they performed a series of four investigations.
People who scored in the lowest percentiles on tests of grammar, humor, and logic also tended to dramatically overestimate how well they had performed (their actual test scores placed them in the 12th percentile, but they estimated that their performance placed them in the 62nd percentile).
To summarise, those with the least knowledge about something, think they know the most.
This covers most of human history.
Now close the internet
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 30 seconds ago
If any of you are still not understanding how the world works:
An Overview of the Dunning-Kruger Effect:
This phenomenon is something you have likely experienced in real life, perhaps around the dinner table at a holiday family gathering. Throughout the course of the meal, a member of your extended family begins spouting off on a topic at length, boldly proclaiming that he is correct and that everyone else's opinion is stupid, uninformed, and just plain wrong. It may be plainly evident to everyone in the room that this person has no idea what he is talking about, yet he prattles on, blithely oblivious to his own ignorance.
The effect is named after researchers David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the two social psychologists who first described it. In their original study on this psychological phenomenon, they performed a series of four investigations.
People who scored in the lowest percentiles on tests of grammar, humor, and logic also tended to dramatically overestimate how well they had performed (their actual test scores placed them in the 12th percentile, but they estimated that their performance placed them in the 62nd percentile).
To summarise, those with the least knowledge about something, think they know the most.
This covers most of human history.
Now close the internet
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know stuff
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are not part of the same family, but because they are both respiratory diseases they have some comparison.
Coronavirus is in the same bacterial family as SARS and MERS (also respiratory diseases), which we have been aware of for some time now. SARS official name is SARS coronavirus, so this is just a mutated strain.
Interestingly, all of those who say Covid-19 cannot have come from bats and was man made, SARS coronavirus was originally genetically traced to a colony of horseshoe bats, so it would not come as a surprise if Covid-19 also originated from bats.
Whether this disproves any theory, I do not know.
posted on 9/2/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are not part of the same family, but because they are both respiratory diseases they have some comparison.
Coronavirus is in the same bacterial family as SARS and MERS (also respiratory diseases), which we have been aware of for some time now. SARS official name is SARS coronavirus, so this is just a mutated strain.
Interestingly, all of those who say Covid-19 cannot have come from bats and was man made, SARS coronavirus was originally genetically traced to a colony of horseshoe bats, so it would not come as a surprise if Covid-19 also originated from bats.
Whether this disproves any theory, I do not know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is anyone claiming it can’t have come from bats?
I’ve not seen that tbh
posted on 9/2/21
Blimey. Passengers who lie on their passenger locator forms - which are filled in before landing in the UK so the government knows where you have come from and where you are going - will face up to TEN YEARS in prison.
posted on 9/2/21
comment by U1878 SILKY BLUE (U1878)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
So! Barry is an absolute tosspot then.
Not got anything better to do you thick Pratt?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think I've ever seen anyone double down like this having been Barry'd.
posted on 9/2/21
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
posted on 9/2/21
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by U1878 SILKY BLUE (U1878)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
So! Barry is an absolute tosspot then.
Not got anything better to do you thick Pratt?
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone double down like this having been Barry'd.
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posted on 9/2/21
I haven’t said it was man made however the laboratory is a COVID testing/research centre in Wuhan.
To say it’s crackpot is essentially crackpot.
————
This reads like one of Barry’s.
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 34 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We see zoonotic transmission from all kinds of domesticated and wild mammals and birds.
Name a mammal, and at some point it has probably passed a disease on to Sapiens.
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 2 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Given that we don’t have *any* historical evidence of *any* pandemic outbreak resulting from human error in a laboratory, and that we do have lots and lots and lots of historical evidence detailing pandemic outbreaks resulting from zoonotic transmission, human error is neither the simplest, nor is it the remotely the most likely explanation.
posted on 9/2/21
Occam's Razor Rosso!
posted on 9/2/21
comment by rosso - exterminate the talking heads (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 34 minutes ago
The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We see zoonotic transmission from all kinds of domesticated and wild mammals and birds.
Name a mammal, and at some point it has probably passed a disease on to Sapiens.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
morganucodontids
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 42 minutes ago
If any of you are still not understanding how the world works:
An Overview of the Dunning-Kruger Effect:
This phenomenon is something you have likely experienced in real life, perhaps around the dinner table at a holiday family gathering. Throughout the course of the meal, a member of your extended family begins spouting off on a topic at length, boldly proclaiming that he is correct and that everyone else's opinion is stupid, uninformed, and just plain wrong. It may be plainly evident to everyone in the room that this person has no idea what he is talking about, yet he prattles on, blithely oblivious to his own ignorance.
The effect is named after researchers David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the two social psychologists who first described it. In their original study on this psychological phenomenon, they performed a series of four investigations.
People who scored in the lowest percentiles on tests of grammar, humor, and logic also tended to dramatically overestimate how well they had performed (their actual test scores placed them in the 12th percentile, but they estimated that their performance placed them in the 62nd percentile).
To summarise, those with the least knowledge about something, think they know the most.
This covers most of human history.
Now close the internet
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wasn't this gentleman running the free world only weeks ago...
Has he tried to buy out Twitter yet
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like the certainty of the "probably". Are you ok if I use this as evidence that that's what happened, in my dissertation?
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently it’s crackpot to suggest human error
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Osman Sow (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 7 minutes ago
It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I like the certainty of the "probably". Are you ok if I use this as evidence that that's what happened, in my dissertation?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely, please use the correct citation procedure though.
posted on 9/2/21
Question about being injected with 5G..
Do you need a battery, & where do they put it..?
Yours
Worried of Tunbridge Wells
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Pranks 2021 (U22336)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks 2021 (U22336)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes, I always alluded to the opinion of it being man made and accidentally released on to the world from the Chinese but it looks like that was just a crackpot conspiracy theory as more evidence is alluding to it coming from animals. Other people on this thread seem to agree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It could be either tbf but I wouldn’t believe Fack all coming from China.
The fact the testing laboratory is in Wuhan and the breakout was there doesn’t make it crackpot at all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's right up there with Salisbury producing novichok just because it's near Portland down.
I have little to no doubt that had it originated in somewhere like Sweden not one person would say it was man made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I haven’t said it was man made however the laboratory is a COVID testing/research centre in Wuhan.
To say it’s crackpot is essentially crackpot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tin Remove Please Your Hat Foil
Rearrange as necessary
posted on 9/2/21
From what I've read, epidemiologists prior to Covid-19 in projections both anticipated a global pandemic of this nature and predicted that an environment where human and wild species are in close contact, such as a Chinese wet market would be a likely point of origin.
From this you might conclude that the epidemiologists are in on the conspiracy.
posted on 9/2/21
Rosso: not a pandemic, but the director of the Wuhan lab herself wrote a paper in 2010 on the leaking of a virus from a lab in Yunnan, China that led to human infection - a graduate student was blamed for the leak. So it is possible and knowing humans I wouldn't be surprised if it was leaked accidentally. B
But I acknowledge that zoonotic transmission is likely. At the same time, discussing anything other than zoonotic transmission without proof either way doesn't make someone a mad conspiracy theorist - it's only natural to question things given that a) we know China routinely lie, b) humans are idiots.
The BBC also reported on their own attempts to visit both the cave where it is believed the virus originated from - where miners were taken ill and died and samples from the bats were then taken to the lab in Wuhan - and the Wuhan lab itself. Needless to say, their route was repeatedly blocked by broken down cars and closed roads until they were forced to give up. So clearly China is being secretive for some reason (IMO probably because they messed up and want to cover their harrises)
posted on 9/2/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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The question is though Rosso, what animal? Was Swine flu part of the coronavirus family too? That came from a pig.
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They are not part of the same family, but because they are both respiratory diseases they have some comparison.
Coronavirus is in the same bacterial family as SARS and MERS (also respiratory diseases), which we have been aware of for some time now. SARS official name is SARS coronavirus, so this is just a mutated strain.
Interestingly, all of those who say Covid-19 cannot have come from bats and was man made, SARS coronavirus was originally genetically traced to a colony of horseshoe bats, so it would not come as a surprise if Covid-19 also originated from bats.
Whether this disproves any theory, I do not know.
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Is anyone claiming it can’t have come from bats?
I’ve not seen that tbh
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I was referring to those who believe that it is man made, not that is hasn't come from bats.
It's just evidence of how SARS developed from bats who are in the same family as this coronavirus strain, which has also allegedly developed from bats, that could disprove those who believe that it is man made.
As I have said before though, with it heavily involving China, we will probably never know.
posted on 9/2/21
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It doesn't have to be some wild conspiracy, it could just be that someone made a mistake - dropped a vial, caught themselves on a needle etc. - and accidentally 'leaked' it from the Wuhan lab.
Knowing humans, that's the simplest and most likely explanation. And it factors in that it just so happened to be detected first near the lab working on bat-originating coronaviruses.
China then cover it up as expected.
No Bill Gates/5G talk necessary
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I was about to post similar.
China was probably doing a lot of research into corona viruses and either someone fked up or perhaps it was deliberate for some Machiavellian virus research/experimental purposes. More likely a mistake.
Origins in animals? Sure. Mistake made during research? Don’t see why not.
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Apparently it’s crackpot to suggest human error
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I wouldn’t go as far as crackpot, but as Diafol has said, until there’s any evidence supporting the human error theory, it’s wise to use Occam’s Razor here.
It’s just overwhelmingly likely that we’ve seen zoonotic transmission, in a wet market or otherwise.
There are just (literally) hundreds of examples of the same thing happening historically.
posted on 9/2/21
A lot of people seem to be very uncomfortable with the idea of random, natural phenomena.
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