comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 37 seconds ago
It is what it is, chaps. A final for them as they have only Europa league to play for. Almost everyone, bar Lamela and Moura, had an off-day. Sonny leaving early didn't help.
They played out of their skin, and I fully expect them to disappear for the season, except in Europa league.
My stream not oly lagged but it fkn dropped when Kane just scored and I thought we had equalised! It came back up mins later and I thought wtf? 2-1?
Then the commentator said Spurs had a shot off the bar and a disallowed goal after going a man down!
Never mind, Arsenal played to their plan and won their cup final.
We don't seem to have plan B.
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Lamela got sent off ffs
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comment by gilzeano (U6451)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 50 seconds ago
Worst game I’ve seen Hojberg play.
That penalty was a joke - not just that it wasn’t but just everything about it! That he was spooning it so far wide🤣
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I turned off in disgust at full time so I've only watched the penalty in real time and the analysis that was given while the VAR was having a look.
I thought it looked unlucky (as he messed up the shot) but nailed on as Sanchez played the man not the ball why are people now doubting it was one?
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It was controversial. You could argue the play had ended once his shot had been sliced and clearly missed, then the contact happened. Not a pen IMO.
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Sorry mate thats a pen.
If somebody releases the ball and is then taken out where the ball went is irrelevant (unless the ref plays an advantage) its a foul all day long I'm afraid.
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
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I know, it's annoying how a lot of these players go and prove they can't be trusted when the big games come. Would not be surprised to see one of them do something stupid in the cup final.
comment by gilzeano (U6451)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 50 seconds ago
Worst game I’ve seen Hojberg play.
That penalty was a joke - not just that it wasn’t but just everything about it! That he was spooning it so far wide🤣
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I turned off in disgust at full time so I've only watched the penalty in real time and the analysis that was given while the VAR was having a look.
I thought it looked unlucky (as he messed up the shot) but nailed on as Sanchez played the man not the ball why are people now doubting it was one?
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It was controversial. You could argue the play had ended once his shot had been sliced and clearly missed, then the contact happened. Not a pen IMO.
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I thought it was a definite penalty, but haven't watched it again other than during the game.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Fackin' Sandy deleting his article while I was in the middle of typing a post out.
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I didn`t delete it at all. For some reason it has been pulled. Honestly what was in it to get it taken down? Obviously one of the bullies must have requested it taken down. You will have to ask Admin. There was nothing in at when I was last on it, that could make it remotely in danger of getting taken down.
I can only assume somebody has posted something offensive.
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Ok my mistake, apologies Sandy.
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No problem.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
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I know, it's annoying how a lot of these players go and prove they can't be trusted when the big games come. Would not be surprised to see one of them do something stupid in the cup final.
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This is what annoys about us and Jose. I think someone else mentioned in the match thread: we don't have that mentality that Jose supposed to address. We don't turn up in the big games, and have a mental block in games that matter!
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
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I know, it's annoying how a lot of these players go and prove they can't be trusted when the big games come. Would not be surprised to see one of them do something stupid in the cup final.
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This is what annoys about us and Jose. I think someone else mentioned in the match thread: we don't have that mentality that Jose supposed to address. We don't turn up in the big games, and have a mental block in games that matter!
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Yep. Either he had that ability and has since lost it or he never had much of it in the first place and was always reliant on the quality of player, which we don't have compared to other clubs he's worked at. Or maybe a combination of the two.
The mentality looked pretty decent earlier in the season but has since gone.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
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I know, it's annoying how a lot of these players go and prove they can't be trusted when the big games come. Would not be surprised to see one of them do something stupid in the cup final.
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This is what annoys about us and Jose. I think someone else mentioned in the match thread: we don't have that mentality that Jose supposed to address. We don't turn up in the big games, and have a mental block in games that matter!
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Yep. Either he had that ability and has since lost it or he never had much of it in the first place and was always reliant on the quality of player, which we don't have compared to other clubs he's worked at. Or maybe a combination of the two.
The mentality looked pretty decent earlier in the season but has since gone.
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If we don't address this mentality issue soon, we won't win anything big. That's what cost us CL and we have another final and would be nice to have this sorted out before then!
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Fackin' Sandy deleting his article while I was in the middle of typing a post out.
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Why did he do that, I wonder?
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Ted I didn`t delete the article. I don`t think you can anyway, once it is up. You can change the title, but you cannot delete. Admin must have pulled it. You will have to ask him.
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Pity, I had some comments about Doherty and Mourinho....but I've forgotten them now..
so watched the first half so far....
Doherty is really a weak point in the back line...
and Ndombele is having a nightmare so far...
so Kane is getting nothing from the midfield.
Anyone thinking that just by hiring Jose Mourinho, and his 'winning mentality', would naturally bring success ahead of much richer clubs that pay much higher wages is dreaming.
All this talk of the players 'looking disinterested' or 'lacking winner's mentality' is another way of saying they're not the top-drawer players richer clubs can sign. We know that. It's just that in that scenario you don't hire a manager that has primarily worked with top-drawer players, and when he loses a game he comes out with stuff like this tonight:
"If the players don't do better it is because they can't do better"
No sh*t sherlock.
Anyone thinking that just by hiring Jose Mourinho, and his 'winning mentality', would naturally bring success ahead of much richer clubs that pay much higher wages is dreaming.
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You can have success without being a "rich" club, though it is tougher because like winning a title means having fit 11 first team players fit for majority of the games in a season. But it can be done, Leicester are proof of that.
Also, we have better quality players than Arsenal. No doubt about it.
It was a game where it could have finished easily 1-1, or 2-2. Nothing in it. They shaded by virtue of efforts.
Would they be able to repeat the same effort level again. No. Arsenal do "turn" up in big games. Then they lose to the likes of Burnley.
I don't really like a manager who throws his payers under the bus. I prefer someone like Poch who protected his players. But I think Jose is giving the players a verbal warning here. He's challenging them to improve and sounds like we could see changes in players in summer.
Caveat: haven't seen or watched Jose post game interview yet.
He's challenging them to improve and sounds like we could see changes in players in summer.
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Yeah, good luck with that.
comment by gilzeano (U6451)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Mourinho post-match interview:
"If the players don't do better it is because they can't do better"
It's like he thinks his job is to select eleven players and if it doesn't work, it's because the players aren't good enough.
These are the words of a manager that is used to a squad of expensive world-class players at his disposal. This is why he isn't, and never was, the right man to manage Spurs.
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This is absolutely bang on
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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It depends where ENIC want to take it, if they want to continue to spend far less than our rivals, they will need a manager who can do what Poch did and improve players on a budget but ultimately fall short. Or if they are serious about winning things and being regular CL participants, and prepared to build a squad to achieve it, then they need a manager with proven pedigree at the highest level.
ENIC`s problem is they want CL and silverware whilst making a profit, they expect Mourinho to wave a managerial magic wand, unfortunately Mourinho needs the ready made tools to implement what he is trying to do, and ENIC are not prepared to give him them.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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Agreed. Mourinho is many things but definitely not that.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Jose but I think this assessment is harsh on him in terms of player improvement. When you look at it objectively there are not many players who have got worse under Mourinho from the last season or so under Poch. Winks maybe? Sissoko? Poch wasn't getting any more out of these guys than Jose currently is and I love Poch.
The problem has been more to do with the tactics employed.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
ENIC`s problem is they want CL and silverware whilst making a profit, they expect Mourinho to wave a managerial magic wand, unfortunately Mourinho needs the ready made tools to implement what he is trying to do, and ENIC are not prepared to give him them.
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This in a nutshell is why Mourinho's the wrong man under ENIC, and why anyone who thought otherwise was just charmed by the idea in the face of reality. Sorry, but I can't see ENIC going on a buying spree of top-drawer players to replace most of what we've got any time soon, especially in these financially stunted times.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
Anyone thinking that just by hiring Jose Mourinho, and his 'winning mentality', would naturally bring success ahead of much richer clubs that pay much higher wages is dreaming.
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You can have success without being a "rich" club, though it is tougher because like winning a title means having fit 11 first team players fit for majority of the games in a season. But it can be done, Leicester are proof of that.
Also, we have better quality players than Arsenal. No doubt about it.
It was a game where it could have finished easily 1-1, or 2-2. Nothing in it. They shaded by virtue of efforts.
Would they be able to repeat the same effort level again. No. Arsenal do "turn" up in big games. Then they lose to the likes of Burnley.
I don't really like a manager who throws his payers under the bus. I prefer someone like Poch who protected his players. But I think Jose is giving the players a verbal warning here. He's challenging them to improve and sounds like we could see changes in players in summer.
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Bet you didn't say the same about the reverse fixture despite Arsenal's possession and missed chances in that game.
comment by chatterer (U18218)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
Anyone thinking that just by hiring Jose Mourinho, and his 'winning mentality', would naturally bring success ahead of much richer clubs that pay much higher wages is dreaming.
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You can have success without being a "rich" club, though it is tougher because like winning a title means having fit 11 first team players fit for majority of the games in a season. But it can be done, Leicester are proof of that.
Also, we have better quality players than Arsenal. No doubt about it.
It was a game where it could have finished easily 1-1, or 2-2. Nothing in it. They shaded by virtue of efforts.
Would they be able to repeat the same effort level again. No. Arsenal do "turn" up in big games. Then they lose to the likes of Burnley.
I don't really like a manager who throws his payers under the bus. I prefer someone like Poch who protected his players. But I think Jose is giving the players a verbal warning here. He's challenging them to improve and sounds like we could see changes in players in summer.
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Bet you didn't say the same about the reverse fixture despite Arsenal's possession and missed chances in that game.
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Arsenal didn't have any chances in the reverse fixture. Just possession and crosses
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Jose but I think this assessment is harsh on him in terms of player improvement. When you look at it objectively there are not many players who have got worse under Mourinho from the last season or so under Poch. Winks maybe? Sissoko? Poch wasn't getting any more out of these guys than Jose currently is and I love Poch.
The problem has been more to do with the tactics employed.
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Have a word with fridgeboy, and let him know Poch has taken his awful last 12 months at Spurs to PSG, they lost at home again yesterday, to the team 3rd from bottom. I think he has very limited time in this job, if he keeps getting results like that. He won't be on easy street like he was at Spurs.
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Jose but I think this assessment is harsh on him in terms of player improvement. When you look at it objectively there are not many players who have got worse under Mourinho from the last season or so under Poch. Winks maybe? Sissoko? Poch wasn't getting any more out of these guys than Jose currently is and I love Poch.
The problem has been more to do with the tactics employed.
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Have a word with fridgeboy, and let him know Poch has taken his awful last 12 months at Spurs to PSG, they lost at home again yesterday, to the team 3rd from bottom. I think he has very limited time in this job, if he keeps getting results like that. He won't be on easy street like he was at Spurs.
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8 wins out of 11 in Ligue 1? He's hardly taken his Spurs form there. They're only 3 points off the top of the league and in all the other competitions.
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posted on 14/3/21
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 37 seconds ago
It is what it is, chaps. A final for them as they have only Europa league to play for. Almost everyone, bar Lamela and Moura, had an off-day. Sonny leaving early didn't help.
They played out of their skin, and I fully expect them to disappear for the season, except in Europa league.
My stream not oly lagged but it fkn dropped when Kane just scored and I thought we had equalised! It came back up mins later and I thought wtf? 2-1?
Then the commentator said Spurs had a shot off the bar and a disallowed goal after going a man down!
Never mind, Arsenal played to their plan and won their cup final.
We don't seem to have plan B.
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Lamela got sent off ffs
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posted on 14/3/21
comment by gilzeano (U6451)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 50 seconds ago
Worst game I’ve seen Hojberg play.
That penalty was a joke - not just that it wasn’t but just everything about it! That he was spooning it so far wide🤣
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I turned off in disgust at full time so I've only watched the penalty in real time and the analysis that was given while the VAR was having a look.
I thought it looked unlucky (as he messed up the shot) but nailed on as Sanchez played the man not the ball why are people now doubting it was one?
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It was controversial. You could argue the play had ended once his shot had been sliced and clearly missed, then the contact happened. Not a pen IMO.
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Sorry mate thats a pen.
If somebody releases the ball and is then taken out where the ball went is irrelevant (unless the ref plays an advantage) its a foul all day long I'm afraid.
posted on 14/3/21
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
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I know, it's annoying how a lot of these players go and prove they can't be trusted when the big games come. Would not be surprised to see one of them do something stupid in the cup final.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by gilzeano (U6451)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 50 seconds ago
Worst game I’ve seen Hojberg play.
That penalty was a joke - not just that it wasn’t but just everything about it! That he was spooning it so far wide🤣
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I turned off in disgust at full time so I've only watched the penalty in real time and the analysis that was given while the VAR was having a look.
I thought it looked unlucky (as he messed up the shot) but nailed on as Sanchez played the man not the ball why are people now doubting it was one?
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It was controversial. You could argue the play had ended once his shot had been sliced and clearly missed, then the contact happened. Not a pen IMO.
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I thought it was a definite penalty, but haven't watched it again other than during the game.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Fackin' Sandy deleting his article while I was in the middle of typing a post out.
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I didn`t delete it at all. For some reason it has been pulled. Honestly what was in it to get it taken down? Obviously one of the bullies must have requested it taken down. You will have to ask Admin. There was nothing in at when I was last on it, that could make it remotely in danger of getting taken down.
I can only assume somebody has posted something offensive.
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Ok my mistake, apologies Sandy.
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No problem.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
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I know, it's annoying how a lot of these players go and prove they can't be trusted when the big games come. Would not be surprised to see one of them do something stupid in the cup final.
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This is what annoys about us and Jose. I think someone else mentioned in the match thread: we don't have that mentality that Jose supposed to address. We don't turn up in the big games, and have a mental block in games that matter!
posted on 14/3/21
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
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I know, it's annoying how a lot of these players go and prove they can't be trusted when the big games come. Would not be surprised to see one of them do something stupid in the cup final.
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This is what annoys about us and Jose. I think someone else mentioned in the match thread: we don't have that mentality that Jose supposed to address. We don't turn up in the big games, and have a mental block in games that matter!
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Yep. Either he had that ability and has since lost it or he never had much of it in the first place and was always reliant on the quality of player, which we don't have compared to other clubs he's worked at. Or maybe a combination of the two.
The mentality looked pretty decent earlier in the season but has since gone.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
Unfortunately it is a pen by the rules of the game as it is a foul in the box. That said, it's such a cheap pen for them to get after Laca fluffs his shot.
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Laca was lucky but once again Sanchez (who has been a bit better lately) just can't keep a cool head in a not overly difficult situation.
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I know, it's annoying how a lot of these players go and prove they can't be trusted when the big games come. Would not be surprised to see one of them do something stupid in the cup final.
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This is what annoys about us and Jose. I think someone else mentioned in the match thread: we don't have that mentality that Jose supposed to address. We don't turn up in the big games, and have a mental block in games that matter!
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Yep. Either he had that ability and has since lost it or he never had much of it in the first place and was always reliant on the quality of player, which we don't have compared to other clubs he's worked at. Or maybe a combination of the two.
The mentality looked pretty decent earlier in the season but has since gone.
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If we don't address this mentality issue soon, we won't win anything big. That's what cost us CL and we have another final and would be nice to have this sorted out before then!
posted on 14/3/21
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Fackin' Sandy deleting his article while I was in the middle of typing a post out.
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Why did he do that, I wonder?
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Ted I didn`t delete the article. I don`t think you can anyway, once it is up. You can change the title, but you cannot delete. Admin must have pulled it. You will have to ask him.
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Pity, I had some comments about Doherty and Mourinho....but I've forgotten them now..
so watched the first half so far....
Doherty is really a weak point in the back line...
and Ndombele is having a nightmare so far...
so Kane is getting nothing from the midfield.
posted on 14/3/21
Anyone thinking that just by hiring Jose Mourinho, and his 'winning mentality', would naturally bring success ahead of much richer clubs that pay much higher wages is dreaming.
All this talk of the players 'looking disinterested' or 'lacking winner's mentality' is another way of saying they're not the top-drawer players richer clubs can sign. We know that. It's just that in that scenario you don't hire a manager that has primarily worked with top-drawer players, and when he loses a game he comes out with stuff like this tonight:
"If the players don't do better it is because they can't do better"
No sh*t sherlock.
posted on 14/3/21
Anyone thinking that just by hiring Jose Mourinho, and his 'winning mentality', would naturally bring success ahead of much richer clubs that pay much higher wages is dreaming.
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You can have success without being a "rich" club, though it is tougher because like winning a title means having fit 11 first team players fit for majority of the games in a season. But it can be done, Leicester are proof of that.
Also, we have better quality players than Arsenal. No doubt about it.
It was a game where it could have finished easily 1-1, or 2-2. Nothing in it. They shaded by virtue of efforts.
Would they be able to repeat the same effort level again. No. Arsenal do "turn" up in big games. Then they lose to the likes of Burnley.
I don't really like a manager who throws his payers under the bus. I prefer someone like Poch who protected his players. But I think Jose is giving the players a verbal warning here. He's challenging them to improve and sounds like we could see changes in players in summer.
posted on 14/3/21
Caveat: haven't seen or watched Jose post game interview yet.
posted on 14/3/21
He's challenging them to improve and sounds like we could see changes in players in summer.
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Yeah, good luck with that.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by gilzeano (U6451)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Mourinho post-match interview:
"If the players don't do better it is because they can't do better"
It's like he thinks his job is to select eleven players and if it doesn't work, it's because the players aren't good enough.
These are the words of a manager that is used to a squad of expensive world-class players at his disposal. This is why he isn't, and never was, the right man to manage Spurs.
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This is absolutely bang on
posted on 14/3/21
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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It depends where ENIC want to take it, if they want to continue to spend far less than our rivals, they will need a manager who can do what Poch did and improve players on a budget but ultimately fall short. Or if they are serious about winning things and being regular CL participants, and prepared to build a squad to achieve it, then they need a manager with proven pedigree at the highest level.
ENIC`s problem is they want CL and silverware whilst making a profit, they expect Mourinho to wave a managerial magic wand, unfortunately Mourinho needs the ready made tools to implement what he is trying to do, and ENIC are not prepared to give him them.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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Agreed. Mourinho is many things but definitely not that.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Jose but I think this assessment is harsh on him in terms of player improvement. When you look at it objectively there are not many players who have got worse under Mourinho from the last season or so under Poch. Winks maybe? Sissoko? Poch wasn't getting any more out of these guys than Jose currently is and I love Poch.
The problem has been more to do with the tactics employed.
posted on 14/3/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
ENIC`s problem is they want CL and silverware whilst making a profit, they expect Mourinho to wave a managerial magic wand, unfortunately Mourinho needs the ready made tools to implement what he is trying to do, and ENIC are not prepared to give him them.
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This in a nutshell is why Mourinho's the wrong man under ENIC, and why anyone who thought otherwise was just charmed by the idea in the face of reality. Sorry, but I can't see ENIC going on a buying spree of top-drawer players to replace most of what we've got any time soon, especially in these financially stunted times.
posted on 15/3/21
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
Anyone thinking that just by hiring Jose Mourinho, and his 'winning mentality', would naturally bring success ahead of much richer clubs that pay much higher wages is dreaming.
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You can have success without being a "rich" club, though it is tougher because like winning a title means having fit 11 first team players fit for majority of the games in a season. But it can be done, Leicester are proof of that.
Also, we have better quality players than Arsenal. No doubt about it.
It was a game where it could have finished easily 1-1, or 2-2. Nothing in it. They shaded by virtue of efforts.
Would they be able to repeat the same effort level again. No. Arsenal do "turn" up in big games. Then they lose to the likes of Burnley.
I don't really like a manager who throws his payers under the bus. I prefer someone like Poch who protected his players. But I think Jose is giving the players a verbal warning here. He's challenging them to improve and sounds like we could see changes in players in summer.
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Bet you didn't say the same about the reverse fixture despite Arsenal's possession and missed chances in that game.
posted on 15/3/21
comment by chatterer (U18218)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
Anyone thinking that just by hiring Jose Mourinho, and his 'winning mentality', would naturally bring success ahead of much richer clubs that pay much higher wages is dreaming.
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You can have success without being a "rich" club, though it is tougher because like winning a title means having fit 11 first team players fit for majority of the games in a season. But it can be done, Leicester are proof of that.
Also, we have better quality players than Arsenal. No doubt about it.
It was a game where it could have finished easily 1-1, or 2-2. Nothing in it. They shaded by virtue of efforts.
Would they be able to repeat the same effort level again. No. Arsenal do "turn" up in big games. Then they lose to the likes of Burnley.
I don't really like a manager who throws his payers under the bus. I prefer someone like Poch who protected his players. But I think Jose is giving the players a verbal warning here. He's challenging them to improve and sounds like we could see changes in players in summer.
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Bet you didn't say the same about the reverse fixture despite Arsenal's possession and missed chances in that game.
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Arsenal didn't have any chances in the reverse fixture. Just possession and crosses
posted on 15/3/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Jose but I think this assessment is harsh on him in terms of player improvement. When you look at it objectively there are not many players who have got worse under Mourinho from the last season or so under Poch. Winks maybe? Sissoko? Poch wasn't getting any more out of these guys than Jose currently is and I love Poch.
The problem has been more to do with the tactics employed.
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Have a word with fridgeboy, and let him know Poch has taken his awful last 12 months at Spurs to PSG, they lost at home again yesterday, to the team 3rd from bottom. I think he has very limited time in this job, if he keeps getting results like that. He won't be on easy street like he was at Spurs.
posted on 15/3/21
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
What’s interesting is that when he first came to us, Jose said that he didn’t need much in the way of recruitment. He thought we had a brilliant squad. What he’s now realised is that they were playing far beyond their ceiling because we had a manager in Poch that managed to improve players immeasurably. Now he’s gone, the players may have plateaued and dropped back to their original qualities. Jose can’t make players better the way Poch did so he was never, ever right for us. He’s perfect for teams with finished parts but not us. We need a coach that can improve individuals and develop patterns of play.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Jose but I think this assessment is harsh on him in terms of player improvement. When you look at it objectively there are not many players who have got worse under Mourinho from the last season or so under Poch. Winks maybe? Sissoko? Poch wasn't getting any more out of these guys than Jose currently is and I love Poch.
The problem has been more to do with the tactics employed.
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Have a word with fridgeboy, and let him know Poch has taken his awful last 12 months at Spurs to PSG, they lost at home again yesterday, to the team 3rd from bottom. I think he has very limited time in this job, if he keeps getting results like that. He won't be on easy street like he was at Spurs.
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8 wins out of 11 in Ligue 1? He's hardly taken his Spurs form there. They're only 3 points off the top of the league and in all the other competitions.
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