We cannot go on initially conceding like that in so many games. But an impressive 25 points gained from losing positions played a big part of our current table position.
It reflects good team spirit and motivation to keep coming back and reclaim points, but still poor tactics to frequently go behind in the first place.
Poor starts have been a huge problem this season. Although yesterday was different in that we started well !
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 37 minutes ago
I agree with a lot of what you say, and the fact we will likely finish 2nd does indeed mean that Ole will deserve next season. But I think the biggest gripe most fans have is that the issues we have are continual issues that never seem to improve, we have too many players (some of whom Ole bought) who are poor on the ball yet we continue to play out from the back and put ourselves under pressure, we have defenders who make individual errors, we seem to be slow and lethargic in a large majority of games, and we are relying on individual moments to win games rather than playing good football. These are all issues we have had almost since Ole got the job permanently and none have been addressed. I’ve always said Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the top, but he will put in place a lot of good base work that the next man will benefit from, and I have seen nothing to change my mind
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We have to play out from the back though; not only does it actually suit our CBs and the attributes of our attacking midfielders and forwards, we don't really have any other option unless we want to give up possession every game, camp on the edge of our box, and try to hit diagonals all game.
We just don't have the physical presence up top to play off our front men. Greenwood, Rashford and Martial win shiiiiit all in the air. We also don't set up with a midfield shape suited to scrapping it out in the middle of the pitch, and even if we did, I don't think that kind of approach would suit the forwards we have, who like to receive the ball in space either on the half turn or facing the opposition goal.
Being slow and lethargic is a fair comment; a lot of fans are saying that about their team this season though. The fixture congestion has been absolutely ridiculous, and managing stamina levels, niggles and muscle fatigue will have been a nightmare for medical and conditioning teams and coaches alike.
All things considered second place this season and hopefully a cup should see him rightly get another season. The style has been poor at times, making me wonder what they work on in training, but I think we can just about use the weird nature of this season with Covid as mitigation.
Next season though I'd want us to continue being hard to beat and at least two points per game but the football does need to be better IMO. Whether that comes through signing players or coaching (or both) it doesn't matter as long as it happens.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
I am an Ole fan but also have seen enough to feel we are are never going to for the epl with him.
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I don’t think we will either but other than Pep or Klopp I don’t see any other manager that will.
Unless it all goes wrong from now until the end of the season I think we are better off sticking with him and continuing the rebuild.
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I'm not convinced either of them would win the league with our squad either.
Do people think this squad is better than City's? And it's just Ole that isn't getting them to realise their potential?
I didn't see anybody place us above City before the season began and I don't think it's all down to who we have in charge... I think it's a fairly realistic assessment of the overall quality of our squad. It isn't as good as Manchester City.
I am fully prepared for Solskjaer to have to pass the torch on but whilst we're in the process of clearing out our squad and putting together a team, I can't think of a whole host of managers I'd just swap him out for right now.
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
I am an Ole fan but also have seen enough to feel we are are never going to for the epl with him.
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I don’t think we will either but other than Pep or Klopp I don’t see any other manager that will.
Unless it all goes wrong from now until the end of the season I think we are better off sticking with him and continuing the rebuild.
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I'm not convinced either of them would win the league with our squad either.
Do people think this squad is better than City's? And it's just Ole that isn't getting them to realise their potential?
I didn't see anybody place us above City before the season began and I don't think it's all down to who we have in charge... I think it's a fairly realistic assessment of the overall quality of our squad. It isn't as good as Manchester City.
I am fully prepared for Solskjaer to have to pass the torch on but whilst we're in the process of clearing out our squad and putting together a team, I can't think of a whole host of managers I'd just swap him out for right now.
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It isn’t close to City’s squad, imo.
I don’t think it’s as good as Liverpool or Chelsea’s yet either.
We have no depth at CB, barely managing to keep two fit. We don’t have a backup RB right now.
We’re OK in CM, but I don’t see rival fans getting all green-eyed over McT and Fred like they do about Tielemans, Ndidi, Hojbjerg, Kante, Neves, etc. etc.
We have a 19 year-old striker starting at RW, and a LWF starting at CF with only Cavani to back him up.
We’re a way off with the rebuild yet. It’s gonna take time to develop these players and bring in the right talent to push the squad on.
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posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 37 minutes ago
I agree with a lot of what you say, and the fact we will likely finish 2nd does indeed mean that Ole will deserve next season. But I think the biggest gripe most fans have is that the issues we have are continual issues that never seem to improve, we have too many players (some of whom Ole bought) who are poor on the ball yet we continue to play out from the back and put ourselves under pressure, we have defenders who make individual errors, we seem to be slow and lethargic in a large majority of games, and we are relying on individual moments to win games rather than playing good football. These are all issues we have had almost since Ole got the job permanently and none have been addressed. I’ve always said Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the top, but he will put in place a lot of good base work that the next man will benefit from, and I have seen nothing to change my mind
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We have to play out from the back though; not only does it actually suit our CBs and the attributes of our attacking midfielders and forwards, we don't really have any other option unless we want to give up possession every game, camp on the edge of our box, and try to hit diagonals all game.
We just don't have the physical presence up top to play off our front men. Greenwood, Rashford and Martial win shiiiiit all in the air. We also don't set up with a midfield shape suited to scrapping it out in the middle of the pitch, and even if we did, I don't think that kind of approach would suit the forwards we have, who like to receive the ball in space either on the half turn or facing the opposition goal.
Being slow and lethargic is a fair comment; a lot of fans are saying that about their team this season though. The fixture congestion has been absolutely ridiculous, and managing stamina levels, niggles and muscle fatigue will have been a nightmare for medical and conditioning teams and coaches alike.
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It suits our CB’s???? I totally disagree, we turn the ball over time and time again. Maguire is decent on the ball when we have safe possession and he has time to come forward or pass, but him, Lindelof and AWB are all very poor when playing out from the back. Add to this this face that in Fred and McT or Matic we also have players who routinely give the ball away when playing out, even Pogba who is obviously very comfortable on the ball, gives it away a lot in his own half when trying to play out, last night being the latest example. It’s a mixture of poor ball players, and poor movement as a team.
I agree that our forward players are not equipped for the long ball game, but they are also poor at receiving the ball with their backs to goal. Am not saying we should pump long balls, but I would change it up a little, go long so times, maybe then try one pass out then a ball into the channel etc... at present we play out almost all the time and any time teams press us we look flustered and turn it over time and again.
The slow lethargic play is not excused by the season that it is either as it has been like this for most of Ole’s tenure. We seem like we almost need to go behind to shake us into gear, that’s either a management issue of not being able to inspire the players, or a player mentality issue, either way it needs sorting as you won’t get away with it at the highest level against the best teams.
Problem is that the progress with the way we play doesn’t exist, we’ve actually regressed. It’s nice to be able to win when not playing well, but the issue is we just don’t play well very often, which is the big concern. I do think we’ll probably get better in terms of performance levels next season - but it’ll still be crap to watch by and large - though I’d be surprised if we were able to maintain our position in the table.
Can we stop pretending that the slow play we often see us playing wasn’t already in place way before OGS?
Moyes, LVG, Mourinho - even later years under Fergie wasn’t the best football.
What we need now is stability and progression in terms of the league & cup competition. After that, we can look to go back to our historical faster football with one/two touch football.
Who’s pretending it wasn’t? It’s become it has been that people aren’t happy with Ole, he’s not really changed much has he?
Who’s pretending it wasn’t?
.....
There are quite a lot of people on here who give off the opinion that this is an Ole thing.
Yesterday’s match thread during the first half was full of such cretins. It made hilarious reading.
i think you're almost where everyone predicted you'd be.
you aren't as good as liverpool but their outrageous injuries cost them their season. oles doing ok, its not as if you were playing all out attacking football the last ten years.
Apart from Hafi, I don’t think anyone predicted us to be second at this stage.
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Apart from Hafi, I don’t think anyone predicted us to be second at this stage.
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I pegged the dips to win the title and us closing the gap on City.
It is a funny old game.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 12 minutes ago
i think you're almost where everyone predicted you'd be.
you aren't as good as liverpool but their outrageous injuries cost them their season. oles doing ok, its not as if you were playing all out attacking football the last ten years.
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United and Leicester have consistently been the teams with the most unavailable players throughout the season. Overlooked by everyone.
Liverpool are where they are because their manager decided to severely weaken their midfield rather than use the likes of Phillips and Williams/ any other available defenders.
Sticking Fabinho and Henderson there for a long period when other defenders were available was ridiculous.
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
Apart from Hafi, I don’t think anyone predicted us to be second at this stage.
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You also predicted us to be 5th so we could sack our manager. Go suck a monkeys weenie
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
Apart from Hafi, I don’t think anyone predicted us to be second at this stage.
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I see where you have gone wrong there. Hafi’s prediction was for expected points.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 minutes ago
Who’s pretending it wasn’t?
.....
There are quite a lot of people on here who give off the opinion that this is an Ole thing.
Yesterday’s match thread during the first half was full of such cretins. It made hilarious reading.
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Exactly. Plenty on here make it seem that it’s been exclusive to Ole. As if we were the second coming of 2009 Barcelona under LVG or Mourinho.
Whether it’s poor coaching or not it’s not exclusive to Ole and I have to say that I don’t think we have the players capable of playing amazing football quite yet. We can show flashes but that’s it. We have McFred in our midfield for a start and Martial, Rashy & Greenwood up top.
Let’s compare that to most of our title winning teams, it’s should come as no surprise that we don’t play swashbuckling champagne football.
Such as? All I’ve seen is people complain that the style of football is as bad as it was under them (which has some merit).
Nobody expects amazing football like our title winning teams either, not with this squad. But we can, and should, put in better performances than we do with our squad.
If we keep playing shiiiit football people will keep complaining. This is a management issue, and has been for years.
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
Such as? All I’ve seen is people complain that the style of football is as bad as it was under them (which has some merit).
Nobody expects amazing football like our title winning teams either, not with this squad. But we can, and should, put in better performances than we do with our squad.
If we keep playing shiiiit football people will keep complaining. This is a management issue, and has been for years.
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As VC said - go read the match day threads. It won’t take you long but I’m not about to do it for you.
I’ve read the match threads. They are awful. But that doesn’t mean even reetards like Wayne and Robin are saying the football was good under LVG and Mourinho.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 minutes ago
Who’s pretending it wasn’t?
.....
There are quite a lot of people on here who give off the opinion that this is an Ole thing.
Yesterday’s match thread during the first half was full of such cretins. It made hilarious reading.
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Exactly. Plenty on here make it seem that it’s been exclusive to Ole. As if we were the second coming of 2009 Barcelona under LVG or Mourinho.
Whether it’s poor coaching or not it’s not exclusive to Ole and I have to say that I don’t think we have the players capable of playing amazing football quite yet. We can show flashes but that’s it. We have McFred in our midfield for a start and Martial, Rashy & Greenwood up top.
Let’s compare that to most of our title winning teams, it’s should come as no surprise that we don’t play swashbuckling champagne football.
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We were pretty dull in the last years of Fergie's reign as well. People tend to forget that we used to grind results out without looking particularly good.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 minutes ago
Who’s pretending it wasn’t?
.....
There are quite a lot of people on here who give off the opinion that this is an Ole thing.
Yesterday’s match thread during the first half was full of such cretins. It made hilarious reading.
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Exactly. Plenty on here make it seem that it’s been exclusive to Ole. As if we were the second coming of 2009 Barcelona under LVG or Mourinho.
Whether it’s poor coaching or not it’s not exclusive to Ole and I have to say that I don’t think we have the players capable of playing amazing football quite yet. We can show flashes but that’s it. We have McFred in our midfield for a start and Martial, Rashy & Greenwood up top.
Let’s compare that to most of our title winning teams, it’s should come as no surprise that we don’t play swashbuckling champagne football.
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We were pretty dull in the last years of Fergie's reign as well. People tend to forget that we used to grind results out without looking particularly good.
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I think people have been spoiled by City, as well as by Fergie.
How many managers in the entire history of the game have been able to deliver (even relatively) attractive attacking football every week coupled with the kind of results we’ve come to expect/demand as United fans with any degree of consistency?
There are some people who would prefer a Bielsa or a Potter in charge and accept us finishing outside the top four as a result because they’d enjoy the football more. That’s absolutely fine. I can’t see how anyone can have a problem with that.
There are many others on here though - and I don’t need to list their names because the rest of us know who they are, whether they do themselves - who moan every, single, fricking, week about the football on display, but would melt down and chuck even more spectacular tantrums if the club put a manager with an attacking-football-at-all-costs philosophy in place with the result being our descent down the table.
But why is it as a result? Playing more attacking football, and putting in better performances, doesn’t necessarily mean we’d drop down the table. If anything, we’d probably win more games.
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
But why is it as a result? Playing more attacking football, and putting in better performances, doesn’t necessarily mean we’d drop down the table. If anything, we’d probably win more games.
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I was offering a hypothetical. I wasn’t saying it would be a necessary result.
I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest that on balance relatively more attacking approaches are any more or less successful than relatively less attacking approaches in the modern English (or wider) game.
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posted on 5/4/21
We cannot go on initially conceding like that in so many games. But an impressive 25 points gained from losing positions played a big part of our current table position.
It reflects good team spirit and motivation to keep coming back and reclaim points, but still poor tactics to frequently go behind in the first place.
Poor starts have been a huge problem this season. Although yesterday was different in that we started well !
posted on 5/4/21
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 37 minutes ago
I agree with a lot of what you say, and the fact we will likely finish 2nd does indeed mean that Ole will deserve next season. But I think the biggest gripe most fans have is that the issues we have are continual issues that never seem to improve, we have too many players (some of whom Ole bought) who are poor on the ball yet we continue to play out from the back and put ourselves under pressure, we have defenders who make individual errors, we seem to be slow and lethargic in a large majority of games, and we are relying on individual moments to win games rather than playing good football. These are all issues we have had almost since Ole got the job permanently and none have been addressed. I’ve always said Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the top, but he will put in place a lot of good base work that the next man will benefit from, and I have seen nothing to change my mind
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We have to play out from the back though; not only does it actually suit our CBs and the attributes of our attacking midfielders and forwards, we don't really have any other option unless we want to give up possession every game, camp on the edge of our box, and try to hit diagonals all game.
We just don't have the physical presence up top to play off our front men. Greenwood, Rashford and Martial win shiiiiit all in the air. We also don't set up with a midfield shape suited to scrapping it out in the middle of the pitch, and even if we did, I don't think that kind of approach would suit the forwards we have, who like to receive the ball in space either on the half turn or facing the opposition goal.
Being slow and lethargic is a fair comment; a lot of fans are saying that about their team this season though. The fixture congestion has been absolutely ridiculous, and managing stamina levels, niggles and muscle fatigue will have been a nightmare for medical and conditioning teams and coaches alike.
posted on 5/4/21
All things considered second place this season and hopefully a cup should see him rightly get another season. The style has been poor at times, making me wonder what they work on in training, but I think we can just about use the weird nature of this season with Covid as mitigation.
Next season though I'd want us to continue being hard to beat and at least two points per game but the football does need to be better IMO. Whether that comes through signing players or coaching (or both) it doesn't matter as long as it happens.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
I am an Ole fan but also have seen enough to feel we are are never going to for the epl with him.
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I don’t think we will either but other than Pep or Klopp I don’t see any other manager that will.
Unless it all goes wrong from now until the end of the season I think we are better off sticking with him and continuing the rebuild.
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I'm not convinced either of them would win the league with our squad either.
Do people think this squad is better than City's? And it's just Ole that isn't getting them to realise their potential?
I didn't see anybody place us above City before the season began and I don't think it's all down to who we have in charge... I think it's a fairly realistic assessment of the overall quality of our squad. It isn't as good as Manchester City.
I am fully prepared for Solskjaer to have to pass the torch on but whilst we're in the process of clearing out our squad and putting together a team, I can't think of a whole host of managers I'd just swap him out for right now.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
I am an Ole fan but also have seen enough to feel we are are never going to for the epl with him.
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I don’t think we will either but other than Pep or Klopp I don’t see any other manager that will.
Unless it all goes wrong from now until the end of the season I think we are better off sticking with him and continuing the rebuild.
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I'm not convinced either of them would win the league with our squad either.
Do people think this squad is better than City's? And it's just Ole that isn't getting them to realise their potential?
I didn't see anybody place us above City before the season began and I don't think it's all down to who we have in charge... I think it's a fairly realistic assessment of the overall quality of our squad. It isn't as good as Manchester City.
I am fully prepared for Solskjaer to have to pass the torch on but whilst we're in the process of clearing out our squad and putting together a team, I can't think of a whole host of managers I'd just swap him out for right now.
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It isn’t close to City’s squad, imo.
I don’t think it’s as good as Liverpool or Chelsea’s yet either.
We have no depth at CB, barely managing to keep two fit. We don’t have a backup RB right now.
We’re OK in CM, but I don’t see rival fans getting all green-eyed over McT and Fred like they do about Tielemans, Ndidi, Hojbjerg, Kante, Neves, etc. etc.
We have a 19 year-old striker starting at RW, and a LWF starting at CF with only Cavani to back him up.
We’re a way off with the rebuild yet. It’s gonna take time to develop these players and bring in the right talent to push the squad on.
posted on 5/4/21
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posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 37 minutes ago
I agree with a lot of what you say, and the fact we will likely finish 2nd does indeed mean that Ole will deserve next season. But I think the biggest gripe most fans have is that the issues we have are continual issues that never seem to improve, we have too many players (some of whom Ole bought) who are poor on the ball yet we continue to play out from the back and put ourselves under pressure, we have defenders who make individual errors, we seem to be slow and lethargic in a large majority of games, and we are relying on individual moments to win games rather than playing good football. These are all issues we have had almost since Ole got the job permanently and none have been addressed. I’ve always said Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the top, but he will put in place a lot of good base work that the next man will benefit from, and I have seen nothing to change my mind
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We have to play out from the back though; not only does it actually suit our CBs and the attributes of our attacking midfielders and forwards, we don't really have any other option unless we want to give up possession every game, camp on the edge of our box, and try to hit diagonals all game.
We just don't have the physical presence up top to play off our front men. Greenwood, Rashford and Martial win shiiiiit all in the air. We also don't set up with a midfield shape suited to scrapping it out in the middle of the pitch, and even if we did, I don't think that kind of approach would suit the forwards we have, who like to receive the ball in space either on the half turn or facing the opposition goal.
Being slow and lethargic is a fair comment; a lot of fans are saying that about their team this season though. The fixture congestion has been absolutely ridiculous, and managing stamina levels, niggles and muscle fatigue will have been a nightmare for medical and conditioning teams and coaches alike.
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It suits our CB’s???? I totally disagree, we turn the ball over time and time again. Maguire is decent on the ball when we have safe possession and he has time to come forward or pass, but him, Lindelof and AWB are all very poor when playing out from the back. Add to this this face that in Fred and McT or Matic we also have players who routinely give the ball away when playing out, even Pogba who is obviously very comfortable on the ball, gives it away a lot in his own half when trying to play out, last night being the latest example. It’s a mixture of poor ball players, and poor movement as a team.
I agree that our forward players are not equipped for the long ball game, but they are also poor at receiving the ball with their backs to goal. Am not saying we should pump long balls, but I would change it up a little, go long so times, maybe then try one pass out then a ball into the channel etc... at present we play out almost all the time and any time teams press us we look flustered and turn it over time and again.
The slow lethargic play is not excused by the season that it is either as it has been like this for most of Ole’s tenure. We seem like we almost need to go behind to shake us into gear, that’s either a management issue of not being able to inspire the players, or a player mentality issue, either way it needs sorting as you won’t get away with it at the highest level against the best teams.
posted on 5/4/21
Problem is that the progress with the way we play doesn’t exist, we’ve actually regressed. It’s nice to be able to win when not playing well, but the issue is we just don’t play well very often, which is the big concern. I do think we’ll probably get better in terms of performance levels next season - but it’ll still be crap to watch by and large - though I’d be surprised if we were able to maintain our position in the table.
posted on 5/4/21
Can we stop pretending that the slow play we often see us playing wasn’t already in place way before OGS?
Moyes, LVG, Mourinho - even later years under Fergie wasn’t the best football.
What we need now is stability and progression in terms of the league & cup competition. After that, we can look to go back to our historical faster football with one/two touch football.
posted on 5/4/21
Who’s pretending it wasn’t? It’s become it has been that people aren’t happy with Ole, he’s not really changed much has he?
posted on 5/4/21
*because
posted on 5/4/21
Who’s pretending it wasn’t?
.....
There are quite a lot of people on here who give off the opinion that this is an Ole thing.
Yesterday’s match thread during the first half was full of such cretins. It made hilarious reading.
posted on 5/4/21
i think you're almost where everyone predicted you'd be.
you aren't as good as liverpool but their outrageous injuries cost them their season. oles doing ok, its not as if you were playing all out attacking football the last ten years.
posted on 5/4/21
Apart from Hafi, I don’t think anyone predicted us to be second at this stage.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Apart from Hafi, I don’t think anyone predicted us to be second at this stage.
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I pegged the dips to win the title and us closing the gap on City.
It is a funny old game.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 12 minutes ago
i think you're almost where everyone predicted you'd be.
you aren't as good as liverpool but their outrageous injuries cost them their season. oles doing ok, its not as if you were playing all out attacking football the last ten years.
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United and Leicester have consistently been the teams with the most unavailable players throughout the season. Overlooked by everyone.
Liverpool are where they are because their manager decided to severely weaken their midfield rather than use the likes of Phillips and Williams/ any other available defenders.
Sticking Fabinho and Henderson there for a long period when other defenders were available was ridiculous.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
Apart from Hafi, I don’t think anyone predicted us to be second at this stage.
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You also predicted us to be 5th so we could sack our manager. Go suck a monkeys weenie
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
Apart from Hafi, I don’t think anyone predicted us to be second at this stage.
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I see where you have gone wrong there. Hafi’s prediction was for expected points.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 minutes ago
Who’s pretending it wasn’t?
.....
There are quite a lot of people on here who give off the opinion that this is an Ole thing.
Yesterday’s match thread during the first half was full of such cretins. It made hilarious reading.
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Exactly. Plenty on here make it seem that it’s been exclusive to Ole. As if we were the second coming of 2009 Barcelona under LVG or Mourinho.
Whether it’s poor coaching or not it’s not exclusive to Ole and I have to say that I don’t think we have the players capable of playing amazing football quite yet. We can show flashes but that’s it. We have McFred in our midfield for a start and Martial, Rashy & Greenwood up top.
Let’s compare that to most of our title winning teams, it’s should come as no surprise that we don’t play swashbuckling champagne football.
posted on 5/4/21
Such as? All I’ve seen is people complain that the style of football is as bad as it was under them (which has some merit).
Nobody expects amazing football like our title winning teams either, not with this squad. But we can, and should, put in better performances than we do with our squad.
If we keep playing shiiiit football people will keep complaining. This is a management issue, and has been for years.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
Such as? All I’ve seen is people complain that the style of football is as bad as it was under them (which has some merit).
Nobody expects amazing football like our title winning teams either, not with this squad. But we can, and should, put in better performances than we do with our squad.
If we keep playing shiiiit football people will keep complaining. This is a management issue, and has been for years.
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As VC said - go read the match day threads. It won’t take you long but I’m not about to do it for you.
posted on 5/4/21
I’ve read the match threads. They are awful. But that doesn’t mean even reetards like Wayne and Robin are saying the football was good under LVG and Mourinho.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 minutes ago
Who’s pretending it wasn’t?
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There are quite a lot of people on here who give off the opinion that this is an Ole thing.
Yesterday’s match thread during the first half was full of such cretins. It made hilarious reading.
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Exactly. Plenty on here make it seem that it’s been exclusive to Ole. As if we were the second coming of 2009 Barcelona under LVG or Mourinho.
Whether it’s poor coaching or not it’s not exclusive to Ole and I have to say that I don’t think we have the players capable of playing amazing football quite yet. We can show flashes but that’s it. We have McFred in our midfield for a start and Martial, Rashy & Greenwood up top.
Let’s compare that to most of our title winning teams, it’s should come as no surprise that we don’t play swashbuckling champagne football.
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We were pretty dull in the last years of Fergie's reign as well. People tend to forget that we used to grind results out without looking particularly good.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 46 minutes ago
Who’s pretending it wasn’t?
.....
There are quite a lot of people on here who give off the opinion that this is an Ole thing.
Yesterday’s match thread during the first half was full of such cretins. It made hilarious reading.
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Exactly. Plenty on here make it seem that it’s been exclusive to Ole. As if we were the second coming of 2009 Barcelona under LVG or Mourinho.
Whether it’s poor coaching or not it’s not exclusive to Ole and I have to say that I don’t think we have the players capable of playing amazing football quite yet. We can show flashes but that’s it. We have McFred in our midfield for a start and Martial, Rashy & Greenwood up top.
Let’s compare that to most of our title winning teams, it’s should come as no surprise that we don’t play swashbuckling champagne football.
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We were pretty dull in the last years of Fergie's reign as well. People tend to forget that we used to grind results out without looking particularly good.
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I think people have been spoiled by City, as well as by Fergie.
How many managers in the entire history of the game have been able to deliver (even relatively) attractive attacking football every week coupled with the kind of results we’ve come to expect/demand as United fans with any degree of consistency?
There are some people who would prefer a Bielsa or a Potter in charge and accept us finishing outside the top four as a result because they’d enjoy the football more. That’s absolutely fine. I can’t see how anyone can have a problem with that.
There are many others on here though - and I don’t need to list their names because the rest of us know who they are, whether they do themselves - who moan every, single, fricking, week about the football on display, but would melt down and chuck even more spectacular tantrums if the club put a manager with an attacking-football-at-all-costs philosophy in place with the result being our descent down the table.
posted on 5/4/21
But why is it as a result? Playing more attacking football, and putting in better performances, doesn’t necessarily mean we’d drop down the table. If anything, we’d probably win more games.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
But why is it as a result? Playing more attacking football, and putting in better performances, doesn’t necessarily mean we’d drop down the table. If anything, we’d probably win more games.
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I was offering a hypothetical. I wasn’t saying it would be a necessary result.
I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest that on balance relatively more attacking approaches are any more or less successful than relatively less attacking approaches in the modern English (or wider) game.
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