Auba was back making tackles on the edge of his own box in the first half. Laca was a little bit less involved than normal, and Pepe and Ceba put in performances they often have over the season - not because of effort but ability.
Our tactics were wrong, we were far too deep.
I would say dump Auba and Ceballos...both have been shocking in recent games.
I dont think Pepe is a problem to be honest. He is a victim of playing under 3 managers who have not utilized him well. And also..he has had no chance of forming a partnership with any fullback..which is critical too. He came to the left wing and was pretty outstanding. His reward? He got dropped and then moved back to the right wing. Ok...Cedric came in and they looked pretty good together. Pepe's reward...bring in Chambers who is slow and does not overlap and has zero technical skills. So yyes...in my opinion if you want to know why Pepe is so poor at the moment...blame Arteta. Pepe came here pretty young and has never had a consistent run.
Lacazette starts for me over Auba every game. Play 3 out of ESR, Odegaard, Saka and Pepe behind him and the front 4 looks fluid.
With Aubameyang it may just be a question of confidence and form (I’d still bench him) but I can’t agree with you about the others - there was just so little effort being put in...
Auba performance was abysmal. He needs to be dropped for that pusssy hairstyle anyway. ATM he's an embarrassment.
“ He needs to be dropped for that pusssy hairstyle anyway.”
🙃
I think there are perhaps off the pitch causes to a lot of this.
Pepe has a tendency in my opinion to sulk and whine anyway and when things aren’t going his way in selection or position or just the pattern of the game this seems pretty typical from him.
Ceballos has been completely usurped by a player from his own host club - there is little talk of a loan extension or attempt to permanently sign him now and this situation is probably affecting his career at Real Madrid.
Lacazette is not being actively pursued by Arsenal for a new contract at present and it seems he might be offloaded in the summer.
I am not saying that any of these are valid reasons for such abysmal unprofessional performances but I think this might be the reality.
I think it was tactical, Auba hasn't been great for a while now but he was back putting in a defensive shift. Pepe was also very deep, this meant both players were ineffective at the things they're good at, while Laca was totally isolated.
While these three could have gone better they were all failed by the system and Arteta said as much after the game.
Pepe was looking good before this game so I'd stick with him. Only room for one of Auba or Laca IMO. Ceba there is no excuse for, he's just been poor and can't do the basics at the moment.
At the moment Auba is back up striker material, infact I would say his limitations have been evident long before this season. I warned people of this even last season, but some delusional folks kept telling me he was world class, because he scores a few tap ins, penalties and other routine chances.. smh
I'm used to first choice strikers at Arsenal having high level technical qualities and he is just not that. If we continue to start him, we will continue to suffer. He should only be coming off the bench when we need a goal.
I think Arteta has lost the dressing room.
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I think it was tactical, Auba hasn't been great for a while now but he was back putting in a defensive shift. Pepe was also very deep, this meant both players were ineffective at the things they're good at, while Laca was totally isolated.
While these three could have gone better they were all failed by the system and Arteta said as much after the game.
Pepe was looking good before this game so I'd stick with him. Only room for one of Auba or Laca IMO. Ceba there is no excuse for, he's just been poor and can't do the basics at the moment.
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I'd agree with TBag. That performance was mainly due to the tactics.
There is a reason as to why most of the good team play with a high line.
We on the other hand were sitting far too deep and too long of a distance to go the very few time we managed to regain possession.
I’d definitely leave ceballos out, he’s been poor for a while and hasn’t offered anything, while also making a number of errors. As much as Elneny isn’t good enough, he’s looked more useful than ceballos this season, he plays quite well with partey. It’s clear Arteta tried to do same tactics as he did in fa cup run where auba did well on the left on the break. But the plan just totally didn’t work against Liverpool, and hasn’t worked much at all this season. So injuries permitting I’d certainly look to have smith-Rowe, Pepe or Martinelli left over auba at the moment, then leave auba on bench to replace lacazette up front if needed.
Gary Neville needs to shut the fack up.
Bit harsh on Lacazette, he's actually been good this season and had a bad game against Pool.
Aubamayang 100% needs to be dropped. We are literally playing with 10 men in quite a few games with him on the left.
I'd like to see in a few games before the season ends.
------Partey - Xhaka------
Saka -----Ode-----ESR
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comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 37 minutes ago
Bit harsh on Lacazette, he's actually been good this season and had a bad game against Pool.
Aubamayang 100% needs to be dropped. We are literally playing with 10 men in quite a few games with him on the left.
I'd like to see in a few games before the season ends.
------Partey - Xhaka------
Saka -----Ode-----ESR
----------Martinelli-------
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Yup, that's the line-up I'd like Arteta to try right now - assuming they're all fit, sadly even if they are I don't think he will...
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 hours, 18 minutes ago
Gary Neville needs to shut the fack up.
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If what neville says is true then yes the club will have a decision to make in the summer.
Tbh most of those players I was thinking we need to get rid of anyway
I would probably still use Auba in Europa. The games are not as intense or physical and he will probably perform better against non prem opponents.
As for the prem, the guy is done. I called him out a long time ago and now finally fans are starting to notice his limitations
He has been stat padding at Arsenal while the team has regressed
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 27 minutes ago
He has been stat padding at Arsenal while the team has regressed
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Exactly and it worked like a charm to inflate his warped reputation as this so called world class striker because silly people like to draw conclusions based on stats alone..'he scores 20 a season.. must be world class'... even if its literally just tap ins or routine chances any striker should be scoring lol
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
If what neville says is true then yes the club will have a decision to make in the summer.
Tbh most of those players I was thinking we need to get rid of anyway
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But it is only few months ago that we did a big clear out. Mustafi, Kola, Papa, Ozil... all supposedly negative influence in the dressing room are gone.
Surely, if there is another issue just two months later, then the problem lies somewhere else?
comment by The greatest trick Arteta ever pulled was convincing the world this squad is not good enough for top 6 (U10012)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
If what neville says is true then yes the club will have a decision to make in the summer.
Tbh most of those players I was thinking we need to get rid of anyway
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But it is only few months ago that we did a big clear out. Mustafi, Kola, Papa, Ozil... all supposedly negative influence in the dressing room are gone.
Surely, if there is another issue just two months later, then the problem lies somewhere else?
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No excuse of malingerers anymore.
comment by The greatest trick Arteta ever pulled was conv... (U10012)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
If what neville says is true then yes the club will have a decision to make in the summer.
Tbh most of those players I was thinking we need to get rid of anyway
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But it is only few months ago that we did a big clear out. Mustafi, Kola, Papa, Ozil... all supposedly negative influence in the dressing room are gone.
Surely, if there is another issue just two months later, then the problem lies somewhere else?
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I get what you are saying and you are probably correct.
However, I meant even if there isn't a disconnect, I think the days at this club are numbered for the likes of lacazette, aubameyang, pepe and ceballos either due to age or not being good enough
comment by The Logical One™ (destroying impersonators since 2020 😅) (U20872)
posted 9 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 27 minutes ago
He has been stat padding at Arsenal while the team has regressed
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Exactly and it worked like a charm to inflate his warped reputation as this so called world class striker because silly people like to draw conclusions based on stats alone..'he scores 20 a season.. must be world class'... even if its literally just tap ins or routine chances any striker should be scoring lol
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Well that's just BS, he's scored 30 a season and been one of the most clinical strikers in the league when we've been in the bottom half of the PL for chances created.
Just watched it and from what he says Id say Arteta has lost the team. That was the reason given for Emery being sacked and now I think Arteta's defensive ball retaining backpass based game has peessed the forwards off
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 6 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by The Logical One™ (destroying impersonators since 2020 😅) (U20872)
posted 9 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 27 minutes ago
He has been stat padding at Arsenal while the team has regressed
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Exactly and it worked like a charm to inflate his warped reputation as this so called world class striker because silly people like to draw conclusions based on stats alone..'he scores 20 a season.. must be world class'... even if its literally just tap ins or routine chances any striker should be scoring lol
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Well that's just BS, he's scored 30 a season and been one of the most clinical strikers in the league when we've been in the bottom half of the PL for chances created.
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It's like you just decided to go ahead and prove my point about stats . Almost any above average striker starting every game, taking penalties etc, could score 20+ a season at a club like Arsenal, even Adebayor did that. If that makes Auba world class to you then stay drinking that cool aid I guess lol.
Club like Arsenal... this isn't the Arsenal of 5 years ago let alone 10+ years ago when Ade scored 30 and we were the most creative team in the league. Winning the golden boot in a team that doesn't create many chances is an impressive achievement. Auba's been crap this season but using that to make out he's some sh!t striker who's done nothing for Arsenal just makes you look like a mug.
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posted on 6/4/21
Auba was back making tackles on the edge of his own box in the first half. Laca was a little bit less involved than normal, and Pepe and Ceba put in performances they often have over the season - not because of effort but ability.
Our tactics were wrong, we were far too deep.
posted on 6/4/21
I would say dump Auba and Ceballos...both have been shocking in recent games.
I dont think Pepe is a problem to be honest. He is a victim of playing under 3 managers who have not utilized him well. And also..he has had no chance of forming a partnership with any fullback..which is critical too. He came to the left wing and was pretty outstanding. His reward? He got dropped and then moved back to the right wing. Ok...Cedric came in and they looked pretty good together. Pepe's reward...bring in Chambers who is slow and does not overlap and has zero technical skills. So yyes...in my opinion if you want to know why Pepe is so poor at the moment...blame Arteta. Pepe came here pretty young and has never had a consistent run.
Lacazette starts for me over Auba every game. Play 3 out of ESR, Odegaard, Saka and Pepe behind him and the front 4 looks fluid.
posted on 6/4/21
With Aubameyang it may just be a question of confidence and form (I’d still bench him) but I can’t agree with you about the others - there was just so little effort being put in...
posted on 6/4/21
Auba performance was abysmal. He needs to be dropped for that pusssy hairstyle anyway. ATM he's an embarrassment.
posted on 6/4/21
“ He needs to be dropped for that pusssy hairstyle anyway.”
🙃
posted on 6/4/21
I think there are perhaps off the pitch causes to a lot of this.
Pepe has a tendency in my opinion to sulk and whine anyway and when things aren’t going his way in selection or position or just the pattern of the game this seems pretty typical from him.
Ceballos has been completely usurped by a player from his own host club - there is little talk of a loan extension or attempt to permanently sign him now and this situation is probably affecting his career at Real Madrid.
Lacazette is not being actively pursued by Arsenal for a new contract at present and it seems he might be offloaded in the summer.
I am not saying that any of these are valid reasons for such abysmal unprofessional performances but I think this might be the reality.
posted on 6/4/21
I think it was tactical, Auba hasn't been great for a while now but he was back putting in a defensive shift. Pepe was also very deep, this meant both players were ineffective at the things they're good at, while Laca was totally isolated.
While these three could have gone better they were all failed by the system and Arteta said as much after the game.
Pepe was looking good before this game so I'd stick with him. Only room for one of Auba or Laca IMO. Ceba there is no excuse for, he's just been poor and can't do the basics at the moment.
posted on 6/4/21
At the moment Auba is back up striker material, infact I would say his limitations have been evident long before this season. I warned people of this even last season, but some delusional folks kept telling me he was world class, because he scores a few tap ins, penalties and other routine chances.. smh
I'm used to first choice strikers at Arsenal having high level technical qualities and he is just not that. If we continue to start him, we will continue to suffer. He should only be coming off the bench when we need a goal.
posted on 6/4/21
I think Arteta has lost the dressing room.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I think it was tactical, Auba hasn't been great for a while now but he was back putting in a defensive shift. Pepe was also very deep, this meant both players were ineffective at the things they're good at, while Laca was totally isolated.
While these three could have gone better they were all failed by the system and Arteta said as much after the game.
Pepe was looking good before this game so I'd stick with him. Only room for one of Auba or Laca IMO. Ceba there is no excuse for, he's just been poor and can't do the basics at the moment.
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I'd agree with TBag. That performance was mainly due to the tactics.
There is a reason as to why most of the good team play with a high line.
We on the other hand were sitting far too deep and too long of a distance to go the very few time we managed to regain possession.
posted on 6/4/21
I’d definitely leave ceballos out, he’s been poor for a while and hasn’t offered anything, while also making a number of errors. As much as Elneny isn’t good enough, he’s looked more useful than ceballos this season, he plays quite well with partey. It’s clear Arteta tried to do same tactics as he did in fa cup run where auba did well on the left on the break. But the plan just totally didn’t work against Liverpool, and hasn’t worked much at all this season. So injuries permitting I’d certainly look to have smith-Rowe, Pepe or Martinelli left over auba at the moment, then leave auba on bench to replace lacazette up front if needed.
posted on 6/4/21
Gary Neville needs to shut the fack up.
posted on 6/4/21
Bit harsh on Lacazette, he's actually been good this season and had a bad game against Pool.
Aubamayang 100% needs to be dropped. We are literally playing with 10 men in quite a few games with him on the left.
I'd like to see in a few games before the season ends.
------Partey - Xhaka------
Saka -----Ode-----ESR
----------Martinelli-------
posted on 6/4/21
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 37 minutes ago
Bit harsh on Lacazette, he's actually been good this season and had a bad game against Pool.
Aubamayang 100% needs to be dropped. We are literally playing with 10 men in quite a few games with him on the left.
I'd like to see in a few games before the season ends.
------Partey - Xhaka------
Saka -----Ode-----ESR
----------Martinelli-------
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Yup, that's the line-up I'd like Arteta to try right now - assuming they're all fit, sadly even if they are I don't think he will...
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 hours, 18 minutes ago
Gary Neville needs to shut the fack up.
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posted on 7/4/21
If what neville says is true then yes the club will have a decision to make in the summer.
Tbh most of those players I was thinking we need to get rid of anyway
posted on 7/4/21
I would probably still use Auba in Europa. The games are not as intense or physical and he will probably perform better against non prem opponents.
As for the prem, the guy is done. I called him out a long time ago and now finally fans are starting to notice his limitations
He has been stat padding at Arsenal while the team has regressed
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 27 minutes ago
He has been stat padding at Arsenal while the team has regressed
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Exactly and it worked like a charm to inflate his warped reputation as this so called world class striker because silly people like to draw conclusions based on stats alone..'he scores 20 a season.. must be world class'... even if its literally just tap ins or routine chances any striker should be scoring lol
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
If what neville says is true then yes the club will have a decision to make in the summer.
Tbh most of those players I was thinking we need to get rid of anyway
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But it is only few months ago that we did a big clear out. Mustafi, Kola, Papa, Ozil... all supposedly negative influence in the dressing room are gone.
Surely, if there is another issue just two months later, then the problem lies somewhere else?
posted on 7/4/21
comment by The greatest trick Arteta ever pulled was convincing the world this squad is not good enough for top 6 (U10012)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
If what neville says is true then yes the club will have a decision to make in the summer.
Tbh most of those players I was thinking we need to get rid of anyway
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But it is only few months ago that we did a big clear out. Mustafi, Kola, Papa, Ozil... all supposedly negative influence in the dressing room are gone.
Surely, if there is another issue just two months later, then the problem lies somewhere else?
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No excuse of malingerers anymore.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by The greatest trick Arteta ever pulled was conv... (U10012)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
If what neville says is true then yes the club will have a decision to make in the summer.
Tbh most of those players I was thinking we need to get rid of anyway
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But it is only few months ago that we did a big clear out. Mustafi, Kola, Papa, Ozil... all supposedly negative influence in the dressing room are gone.
Surely, if there is another issue just two months later, then the problem lies somewhere else?
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I get what you are saying and you are probably correct.
However, I meant even if there isn't a disconnect, I think the days at this club are numbered for the likes of lacazette, aubameyang, pepe and ceballos either due to age or not being good enough
posted on 7/4/21
comment by The Logical One™ (destroying impersonators since 2020 😅) (U20872)
posted 9 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 27 minutes ago
He has been stat padding at Arsenal while the team has regressed
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Exactly and it worked like a charm to inflate his warped reputation as this so called world class striker because silly people like to draw conclusions based on stats alone..'he scores 20 a season.. must be world class'... even if its literally just tap ins or routine chances any striker should be scoring lol
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Well that's just BS, he's scored 30 a season and been one of the most clinical strikers in the league when we've been in the bottom half of the PL for chances created.
posted on 7/4/21
Just watched it and from what he says Id say Arteta has lost the team. That was the reason given for Emery being sacked and now I think Arteta's defensive ball retaining backpass based game has peessed the forwards off
posted on 7/4/21
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 6 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by The Logical One™ (destroying impersonators since 2020 😅) (U20872)
posted 9 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 27 minutes ago
He has been stat padding at Arsenal while the team has regressed
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Exactly and it worked like a charm to inflate his warped reputation as this so called world class striker because silly people like to draw conclusions based on stats alone..'he scores 20 a season.. must be world class'... even if its literally just tap ins or routine chances any striker should be scoring lol
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Well that's just BS, he's scored 30 a season and been one of the most clinical strikers in the league when we've been in the bottom half of the PL for chances created.
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It's like you just decided to go ahead and prove my point about stats . Almost any above average striker starting every game, taking penalties etc, could score 20+ a season at a club like Arsenal, even Adebayor did that. If that makes Auba world class to you then stay drinking that cool aid I guess lol.
posted on 7/4/21
Club like Arsenal... this isn't the Arsenal of 5 years ago let alone 10+ years ago when Ade scored 30 and we were the most creative team in the league. Winning the golden boot in a team that doesn't create many chances is an impressive achievement. Auba's been crap this season but using that to make out he's some sh!t striker who's done nothing for Arsenal just makes you look like a mug.
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