comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 22 seconds ago
Several people also seem to be confusing the concepts of legalisation and decriminalisation. The OP refers to the latter.
Decriminalisation policies have been shown to lead to a *lower* demand for the hardest drugs, which obviously has wider benefits for law and order and society more widely.
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Yeah I've probably mixed these up myself
It’s always amusing to see Peter Hitchens debate about decriminalising drugs. He is such an angry and hateful snooty figure. I wonder if he just smoked one blunt if his mind would open just a little and he’d be like those characters in a comedy movie who loosen up a bit and wear a tie around his head and get his fellow stuffy twaaats to join the party.
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
Several people also seem to be confusing the concepts of legalisation and decriminalisation. The OP refers to the latter.
Decriminalisation policies have been shown to lead to a *lower* demand for the hardest drugs, which obviously has wider benefits for law and order and society more widely.
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I'm not sure decriminalisation would help when pushers will buy the legal stuff and cut it and sell it on for a profit. People on the streets will still be after it and won't be tempted by the premium gear in the shops.
Everybody should be prescribed mushrooms btw.
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
Several people also seem to be confusing the concepts of legalisation and decriminalisation. The OP refers to the latter.
Decriminalisation policies have been shown to lead to a *lower* demand for the hardest drugs, which obviously has wider benefits for law and order and society more widely.
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I'm not sure decriminalisation would help when pushers will buy the legal stuff and cut it and sell it on for a profit. People on the streets will still be after it and won't be tempted by the premium gear in the shops.
Everybody should be prescribed mushrooms btw.
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With respect, you are confusing decriminalisation and legalisation.
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
Several people also seem to be confusing the concepts of legalisation and decriminalisation. The OP refers to the latter.
Decriminalisation policies have been shown to lead to a *lower* demand for the hardest drugs, which obviously has wider benefits for law and order and society more widely.
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I'm not sure decriminalisation would help when pushers will buy the legal stuff and cut it and sell it on for a profit. People on the streets will still be after it and won't be tempted by the premium gear in the shops.
Everybody should be prescribed mushrooms btw.
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With respect, you are confusing decriminalisation and legalisation.
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If people are cutting the legal drugs will household cleaning products and making a profit, that should be a criminal offence.
Not sure about all, but would be interested in full scale cost benefit analysis in legalising all drugs.
How many that are deterred by the current laws, would start using them if they were legalised? On the other hand, would it reduce gang related crime, increase taxes by going through legal avenues?
Personally would say start by decriminalsing weed, if successful then try with a harder drug.
Once we get a THX 1138 style state we'll all be taking government supplied sedatives anyway.
A heck of a lot of time money and effort goes into stopping people taking substances such as weed, i kinda feel, just let them get on with it and trash there own bodies. Kids should know better than to mess with drugs, one of the easiest right and wrong decisions in life
For anyone who isn’t absolutely sure about the difference between decriminalisation and legalisation, please, please read this:
https://www.citywide.ie/decriminalisation/faqs.html
It’s a hugely important distinction to make, and a sensible debate can’t take place until we have the difference between the two cemented in people’s minds.
I cant believe there trying too legalise breaking in too houses too rob people in order for junnnkies too get hits its pc gone mad what about us hard working folk who dont need drugs if the liberal left woke get to have drugs legalised then our side should get something legalised too how about legalising free speech eh lads
I think they should, it’s not like the current laws are doing much. Saying that of all the drugs I’ve had and speaking to friends it’s weed that I find is the one that really f-cks me up at times and far too many people dismiss.
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
For anyone who isn’t absolutely sure about the difference between decriminalisation and legalisation, please, please read this:
https://www.citywide.ie/decriminalisation/faqs.html
It’s a hugely important distinction to make, and a sensible debate can’t take place until we have the difference between the two cemented in people’s minds.
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Personal use and dealing is a big distinction, granted.
All drugs???
Come on ffs!! The only real one that should be legal is weed, can’t imagine a bunch of legal smackheads roaming the land being advantageous!
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
anyone saying yes needs to be beaten with a stick.
drugs available on tap for kids.
and the smack rats who are are off their tiiits on a daily basis.... where do you think they will get the money to pay for their next hit, because it sure as hell wont be through working.
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Well, that's the problem already, right?
Decriminalisation or legalisation doesn't mean a free for all and actually leads to less drug taking, less moving up the ladder of drugs, less crime, less overdoses and more people seeking help. The data is out there.
Why would you want to carry on the status quo, letting drug gangs control the market?
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comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 minutes ago
anyone saying yes needs to be beaten with a stick.
drugs available on tap for kids.
and the smack rats who are are off their tiiits on a daily basis.... where do you think they will get the money to pay for their next hit, because it sure as hell wont be through working.
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Utter nonsense, Dunc.
Read this:
https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight
Policy and laws should be made on evidence, not stereotyping and lazy opinion.
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That’s a really good read
People see to assume that if something like heroin becomes legal, then everyone will jump straight on it
Even alcohol consumption is down with the youth of today... They like to stay in control... I don't think they'd be jumping for the H
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 3 minutes ago
All drugs???
Come on ffs!! The only real one that should be legal is weed, can’t imagine a bunch of legal smackheads roaming the land being advantageous!
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As opposed to the illegal ones?
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Do you not think there’d be more of them and at a younger age?
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 3 minutes ago
All drugs???
Come on ffs!! The only real one that should be legal is weed, can’t imagine a bunch of legal smackheads roaming the land being advantageous!
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As opposed to the illegal ones?
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Do you not think there’d be more of them and at a younger age?
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Read the link Rosso posted... Pretty much all the data points to a reduction in use, when drugs are decriminalised
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
Kids should know better than to mess with drugs, one of the easiest right and wrong decisions in life
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Some of the brightest minds in the world probably took that "wrong" decision!
Must be nice living in a world where something like drug use can be so easily defined as right or wrong though. Takes away any needed for lateral thinking.
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 16 minutes ago
All drugs???
Come on ffs!! The only real one that should be legal is weed, can’t imagine a bunch of legal smackheads roaming the land being advantageous!
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Decriminalisation and a shift to treatment over punishment has been shown to reduce hard drug use.
There’s arguably more reason to decriminalise the use of heroin than there is weed if you consider the benefits to individual and public health and safety, crime, and the cost of the corrections system.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
Kids should know better than to mess with drugs, one of the easiest right and wrong decisions in life
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Some of the brightest minds in the world probably took that "wrong" decision!
Must be nice living in a world where something like drug use can be so easily defined as right or wrong though. Takes away any needed for lateral thinking.
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“Alcohol isn’t a drug; it’s a drink!”
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I haven't thoroughly explored the data and numbers behind all of it but as an observation, it does seem that at the very least, decriminalisation of Marijuana, or even the full legalisation of it, can bring a lot of benefits. It's not like it's difficult to get hold of. To the point that some people have moved on to pretty much full blown business with it now. I have at least 2 people who send round a menu each week, they will deliver to your front door for free and have started branching into pens and other mods etc.
Seems to me that the amount of jobs it would create and the boost from taxing it far outweighs whatever benefits we get from it being illegal. It feels to me like an unnecessary restriction of freedom and there are enough places who have legalised or decriminalised it and haven't just burst out into the crime havens that a certain demographic seem to have been brain washed into thinking would happen.
Been going to the Netherlands my whole life, have family there and visit Amsterdam fairly regularly. Its just a better place than most English cities in basically every aspect. Open minded, diverse, chilled out. Not a place where 'smack heads' congregate and rip their way through looting, assaulting and using criminal means to find their next fix. This seems to be an upper middle class white attitude towards something they've been indoctrinated to fear.
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
Kids should know better than to mess with drugs, one of the easiest right and wrong decisions in life
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Some of the brightest minds in the world probably took that "wrong" decision!
Must be nice living in a world where something like drug use can be so easily defined as right or wrong though. Takes away any needed for lateral thinking.
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“Alcohol isn’t a drug; it’s a drink!”
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Blows my mind that alcohol is such a readily accepted part of our culture, given the damage it does, not just to people, addiction etc but society. How much money goes into policing boozed up people, sending rescue boats to idiots who have drunkenly fallen in some body of water, all the fights, aggression etc, when other things are so demonised. Booze to Brits is a bit similar to yanks and guns.
The Irony of It All, by The Streets hits the nail on the head on this one.
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posted on 19/8/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 22 seconds ago
Several people also seem to be confusing the concepts of legalisation and decriminalisation. The OP refers to the latter.
Decriminalisation policies have been shown to lead to a *lower* demand for the hardest drugs, which obviously has wider benefits for law and order and society more widely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah I've probably mixed these up myself
posted on 19/8/21
It’s always amusing to see Peter Hitchens debate about decriminalising drugs. He is such an angry and hateful snooty figure. I wonder if he just smoked one blunt if his mind would open just a little and he’d be like those characters in a comedy movie who loosen up a bit and wear a tie around his head and get his fellow stuffy twaaats to join the party.
posted on 19/8/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
Several people also seem to be confusing the concepts of legalisation and decriminalisation. The OP refers to the latter.
Decriminalisation policies have been shown to lead to a *lower* demand for the hardest drugs, which obviously has wider benefits for law and order and society more widely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure decriminalisation would help when pushers will buy the legal stuff and cut it and sell it on for a profit. People on the streets will still be after it and won't be tempted by the premium gear in the shops.
Everybody should be prescribed mushrooms btw.
posted on 19/8/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
Several people also seem to be confusing the concepts of legalisation and decriminalisation. The OP refers to the latter.
Decriminalisation policies have been shown to lead to a *lower* demand for the hardest drugs, which obviously has wider benefits for law and order and society more widely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure decriminalisation would help when pushers will buy the legal stuff and cut it and sell it on for a profit. People on the streets will still be after it and won't be tempted by the premium gear in the shops.
Everybody should be prescribed mushrooms btw.
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With respect, you are confusing decriminalisation and legalisation.
posted on 19/8/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
Several people also seem to be confusing the concepts of legalisation and decriminalisation. The OP refers to the latter.
Decriminalisation policies have been shown to lead to a *lower* demand for the hardest drugs, which obviously has wider benefits for law and order and society more widely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure decriminalisation would help when pushers will buy the legal stuff and cut it and sell it on for a profit. People on the streets will still be after it and won't be tempted by the premium gear in the shops.
Everybody should be prescribed mushrooms btw.
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With respect, you are confusing decriminalisation and legalisation.
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If people are cutting the legal drugs will household cleaning products and making a profit, that should be a criminal offence.
posted on 19/8/21
Not sure about all, but would be interested in full scale cost benefit analysis in legalising all drugs.
How many that are deterred by the current laws, would start using them if they were legalised? On the other hand, would it reduce gang related crime, increase taxes by going through legal avenues?
Personally would say start by decriminalsing weed, if successful then try with a harder drug.
posted on 19/8/21
Once we get a THX 1138 style state we'll all be taking government supplied sedatives anyway.
posted on 19/8/21
A heck of a lot of time money and effort goes into stopping people taking substances such as weed, i kinda feel, just let them get on with it and trash there own bodies. Kids should know better than to mess with drugs, one of the easiest right and wrong decisions in life
posted on 19/8/21
For anyone who isn’t absolutely sure about the difference between decriminalisation and legalisation, please, please read this:
https://www.citywide.ie/decriminalisation/faqs.html
It’s a hugely important distinction to make, and a sensible debate can’t take place until we have the difference between the two cemented in people’s minds.
posted on 19/8/21
I cant believe there trying too legalise breaking in too houses too rob people in order for junnnkies too get hits its pc gone mad what about us hard working folk who dont need drugs if the liberal left woke get to have drugs legalised then our side should get something legalised too how about legalising free speech eh lads
posted on 19/8/21
I think they should, it’s not like the current laws are doing much. Saying that of all the drugs I’ve had and speaking to friends it’s weed that I find is the one that really f-cks me up at times and far too many people dismiss.
posted on 19/8/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
For anyone who isn’t absolutely sure about the difference between decriminalisation and legalisation, please, please read this:
https://www.citywide.ie/decriminalisation/faqs.html
It’s a hugely important distinction to make, and a sensible debate can’t take place until we have the difference between the two cemented in people’s minds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Personal use and dealing is a big distinction, granted.
posted on 19/8/21
All drugs???
Come on ffs!! The only real one that should be legal is weed, can’t imagine a bunch of legal smackheads roaming the land being advantageous!
posted on 19/8/21
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 40 minutes ago
anyone saying yes needs to be beaten with a stick.
drugs available on tap for kids.
and the smack rats who are are off their tiiits on a daily basis.... where do you think they will get the money to pay for their next hit, because it sure as hell wont be through working.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, that's the problem already, right?
Decriminalisation or legalisation doesn't mean a free for all and actually leads to less drug taking, less moving up the ladder of drugs, less crime, less overdoses and more people seeking help. The data is out there.
Why would you want to carry on the status quo, letting drug gangs control the market?
posted on 19/8/21
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posted on 19/8/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 minutes ago
anyone saying yes needs to be beaten with a stick.
drugs available on tap for kids.
and the smack rats who are are off their tiiits on a daily basis.... where do you think they will get the money to pay for their next hit, because it sure as hell wont be through working.
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Utter nonsense, Dunc.
Read this:
https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight
Policy and laws should be made on evidence, not stereotyping and lazy opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s a really good read
posted on 19/8/21
People see to assume that if something like heroin becomes legal, then everyone will jump straight on it
Even alcohol consumption is down with the youth of today... They like to stay in control... I don't think they'd be jumping for the H
posted on 19/8/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 3 minutes ago
All drugs???
Come on ffs!! The only real one that should be legal is weed, can’t imagine a bunch of legal smackheads roaming the land being advantageous!
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As opposed to the illegal ones?
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Do you not think there’d be more of them and at a younger age?
posted on 19/8/21
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 3 minutes ago
All drugs???
Come on ffs!! The only real one that should be legal is weed, can’t imagine a bunch of legal smackheads roaming the land being advantageous!
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As opposed to the illegal ones?
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Do you not think there’d be more of them and at a younger age?
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Read the link Rosso posted... Pretty much all the data points to a reduction in use, when drugs are decriminalised
posted on 19/8/21
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
Kids should know better than to mess with drugs, one of the easiest right and wrong decisions in life
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Some of the brightest minds in the world probably took that "wrong" decision!
Must be nice living in a world where something like drug use can be so easily defined as right or wrong though. Takes away any needed for lateral thinking.
posted on 19/8/21
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 16 minutes ago
All drugs???
Come on ffs!! The only real one that should be legal is weed, can’t imagine a bunch of legal smackheads roaming the land being advantageous!
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Decriminalisation and a shift to treatment over punishment has been shown to reduce hard drug use.
There’s arguably more reason to decriminalise the use of heroin than there is weed if you consider the benefits to individual and public health and safety, crime, and the cost of the corrections system.
posted on 19/8/21
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
Kids should know better than to mess with drugs, one of the easiest right and wrong decisions in life
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Some of the brightest minds in the world probably took that "wrong" decision!
Must be nice living in a world where something like drug use can be so easily defined as right or wrong though. Takes away any needed for lateral thinking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
“Alcohol isn’t a drug; it’s a drink!”
posted on 19/8/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/8/21
I haven't thoroughly explored the data and numbers behind all of it but as an observation, it does seem that at the very least, decriminalisation of Marijuana, or even the full legalisation of it, can bring a lot of benefits. It's not like it's difficult to get hold of. To the point that some people have moved on to pretty much full blown business with it now. I have at least 2 people who send round a menu each week, they will deliver to your front door for free and have started branching into pens and other mods etc.
Seems to me that the amount of jobs it would create and the boost from taxing it far outweighs whatever benefits we get from it being illegal. It feels to me like an unnecessary restriction of freedom and there are enough places who have legalised or decriminalised it and haven't just burst out into the crime havens that a certain demographic seem to have been brain washed into thinking would happen.
Been going to the Netherlands my whole life, have family there and visit Amsterdam fairly regularly. Its just a better place than most English cities in basically every aspect. Open minded, diverse, chilled out. Not a place where 'smack heads' congregate and rip their way through looting, assaulting and using criminal means to find their next fix. This seems to be an upper middle class white attitude towards something they've been indoctrinated to fear.
posted on 19/8/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
Kids should know better than to mess with drugs, one of the easiest right and wrong decisions in life
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Some of the brightest minds in the world probably took that "wrong" decision!
Must be nice living in a world where something like drug use can be so easily defined as right or wrong though. Takes away any needed for lateral thinking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
“Alcohol isn’t a drug; it’s a drink!”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Blows my mind that alcohol is such a readily accepted part of our culture, given the damage it does, not just to people, addiction etc but society. How much money goes into policing boozed up people, sending rescue boats to idiots who have drunkenly fallen in some body of water, all the fights, aggression etc, when other things are so demonised. Booze to Brits is a bit similar to yanks and guns.
The Irony of It All, by The Streets hits the nail on the head on this one.
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