Wenger signed Mustafi, Kolacinac and Xhaka thanks but he was clueless at the end should have resigned honourably 2013 season.
You're right AKBs were correct. Arsene should still be in charge. He should have stayed as long as he wanted.
But on a serious note, we appointed the wrong manager. There was always questions marks over the impact of an disinterested owner of a football club and the people he puts in charge.
Looking back at it now, the way people looked down on us making top 4 every year was bizarre, I believe a lot of it was down to the narrative drummed up by the Arsenal hating pundits that 'top 4 was a failure' 'we need a better manager', when in reality that level of consistency was an incredible achievement.
Unfortunately some people bought into that narrative not realising it was almost like a jealous friend wanting you to dump your girl so you'd be single and miserable with him.
Now everyone cries for top 4... its actually funny to think some of us knew it would come to this.
We should have appointed Allegri or Ancelotti but we didnt because they had ambition and went for this caannnttt instead
We’d probably be around 6th at best with Wenger if he stayed it was obvious we were getting worse with him, and other teams were improving. Plus he’s not exactly young so him leaving would have happened at some point soon. The problem isn’t really Wenger leaving it’s the fact the club is run by idiots and made countless wrong decisions that’s the main problem. I expect even if Arteta left we’d still make a load of awful decisions and not be hugely better off
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
We’d probably be around 6th at best with Wenger if he stayed it was obvious we were getting worse with him, and other teams were improving. Plus he’s not exactly young so him leaving would have happened at some point soon. The problem isn’t really Wenger leaving it’s the fact the club is run by idiots and made countless wrong decisions that’s the main problem. I expect even if Arteta left we’d still make a load of awful decisions and not be hugely better off
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Wenger being hounded out was disgusting though which ever way you try to look at it. He did say 'you will miss me when I'm gone' maybe its bad karma for the way some fans behaved. The tranisition should have been handled much more patiently.
You were no longer progressing under Wenger. He was brilliant in the 90s and 2000s, but the natural progression of football was leaving him behind. He was no longer an innovator in his final years at Arsenal. He was a manager who was clinging onto past glories.
It was the right decision for him to leave.
The fault doesn’t lie with Wenger, or with those who wanted him to leave. The fault lies with the club for not being able to successfully replace him.
But even saying that is harsh. It is easier said than done. Emery was a good appointment. An appointment that is easily understood. So even though he didn’t work out (wasn’t given enough time in my opinion), you can’t be critical of the board for making that appointment.
Arteta is a strange one. I said in another post - maybe seeing what happened at United, who appointed proven managers after Ferguson, managers who didn’t work out, made Arsenal feel that giving the job to a young promising guy was the way to go.
It’s not working out with Arteta, but then the OP’s comment about being careful what you wish for doesn’t begin or end with Wenger.
Managers need time. Especially young managers. I don’t think Arteta will get that time, and to be fair he can’t really have any complaints if he is sacked.
But who can you go for after Arteta? That is the a problem.
Wenger was a busted flush for a long time before he left - the mistake was keeping him as long as we did, not the other way round…
Sorry but it's got nothing to do with Wenger out. Arsenal hired the wrong managers that's all.
If they actually made the correct appointment they wouldn't be in this mess. The minute Tuchel was sacked by PSG was when we should have acted and got rid of Arteta.
Good comment Ripley, although we looked so bad at the end of Emery's reign I'm not sure what other choice we had
We're in a similar position now though I guess and Arteta is getting that time.
I hate to say it but I think short term we need to think like Chelsea and be ruthless with our hiring and firing. We might not be at our most appealing but I think we could attract someone like Conte if we wanted to go that route, or someone like Potter if we wanted to think as more of long term project
Tbag,
Chelsea have been absolutely ruthless with their managers, but they are a club who have backed every single one of their managers, and been in a position financially to wipe out the losses from any manager and effectively start again when a new appointment is made.
I don’t think Arsenal have that luxury from a financial perspective.
Even City haven’t adopted the approach of Chelsea in regards to managers.
Enough wasting bytes in this database talking about managers. I'm more interested in their boss.
#KroenkeOUT
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 10 minutes ago
Sorry but it's got nothing to do with Wenger out. Arsenal hired the wrong managers that's all.
If they actually made the correct appointment they wouldn't be in this mess. The minute Tuchel was sacked by PSG was when we should have acted and got rid of Arteta.
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To be fair, there’s only been two managerial appointments (permanent appointments) since Wenger left.
One - Emery - can easily be justified.
The other - Arteta, is without doubt a gamble. One that isn’t (as things stand) paying off.
comment by The Logical One™ (destroying impersonators since 2020 😅) (U20872)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
We’d probably be around 6th at best with Wenger if he stayed it was obvious we were getting worse with him, and other teams were improving. Plus he’s not exactly young so him leaving would have happened at some point soon. The problem isn’t really Wenger leaving it’s the fact the club is run by idiots and made countless wrong decisions that’s the main problem. I expect even if Arteta left we’d still make a load of awful decisions and not be hugely better off
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Wenger being hounded out was disgusting though which ever way you try to look at it. He did say 'you will miss me when I'm gone' maybe its bad karma for the way some fans behaved. The tranisition should have been handled much more patiently.
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Yes I agree some of the behaviour was way over the top. It’s not a justification for any abuse, but you can understand fans frustration when we were told time and time again by the club that we were going to be competing with the best clubs in the world after moving to emirates, this coupled with us paying huge ticket prices. Yet under the last years of Wenger we were getting worse and worse, and standing still while others improved.
Wengers time was coming to an end, but as many said at the time he wasn’t the main problem at the club and him leaving wouldn’t fix other issues. Fan anger at the time should have been directed much more at those running the club who have let the club drift off into the abyss with no sense of direction or leadership
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 35 seconds ago
Yes I agree some of the behaviour was way over the top. It’s not a justification for any abuse, but you can understand fans frustration when we were told time and time again by the club that we were going to be competing with the best clubs in the world after moving to emirates, this coupled with us paying huge ticket prices. Yet under the last years of Wenger we were getting worse and worse, and standing still while others improved.
Wengers time was coming to an end, but as many said at the time he wasn’t the main problem at the club and him leaving wouldn’t fix other issues. Fan anger at the time should have been directed much more at those running the club who have let the club drift off into the abyss with no sense of direction or leadership
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Agreed the anger was directed in the wrong direction.
OP is spot on.
And I rarely post that on the AFC board.
Wenger was a genius at making ordinary players gel into competitors and even title winners.
Players came from ordinarinesss and achieved stuff well above their individual competency/skill levels. Some were even fortunate enough to be sold, and we're made to look ordinary again.
Unlikely to have a manager that good for generations.
Wenger was awful in his later years, the fact they have somehow managed to get worse (in no small part thanks to player's Wenger signed himself) shouldn't deflect from that.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Tbag,
Chelsea have been absolutely ruthless with their managers, but they are a club who have backed every single one of their managers, and been in a position financially to wipe out the losses from any manager and effectively start again when a new appointment is made.
I don’t think Arsenal have that luxury from a financial perspective.
Even City haven’t adopted the approach of Chelsea in regards to managers.
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I agree, but I also don't think our squad is as bad as our performances suggest. Someone new could still get a lot more out of these lot
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 20 minutes ago
Wenger was awful in his later years, the fact they have somehow managed to get worse (in no small part thanks to player's Wenger signed himself) shouldn't deflect from that.
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Awful but made top 4 every season except his last two? Have a word with yourself
Wenger should have been replaced years before he was. But with top managers not Emery and Arteta.
The merry go round wont solve our problems that is at Arsenal about 10 years.
It wouldn’t, but a better manager would solve many of the problems at Arsenal the last 18 months.
No one asked for artera or Emery to replace Wenger!!. If we’d gone and gotten a top manager we wouldn’t be in this mess , stop posting the same rubbish everytime.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
The merry go round wont solve our problems that is at Arsenal about 10 years.
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May 2007, we're 9 months away from 15 years.
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posted on 22/8/21
The AKB were right
posted on 22/8/21
Wenger signed Mustafi, Kolacinac and Xhaka thanks but he was clueless at the end should have resigned honourably 2013 season.
posted on 22/8/21
You're right AKBs were correct. Arsene should still be in charge. He should have stayed as long as he wanted.
But on a serious note, we appointed the wrong manager. There was always questions marks over the impact of an disinterested owner of a football club and the people he puts in charge.
posted on 22/8/21
Looking back at it now, the way people looked down on us making top 4 every year was bizarre, I believe a lot of it was down to the narrative drummed up by the Arsenal hating pundits that 'top 4 was a failure' 'we need a better manager', when in reality that level of consistency was an incredible achievement.
Unfortunately some people bought into that narrative not realising it was almost like a jealous friend wanting you to dump your girl so you'd be single and miserable with him.
Now everyone cries for top 4... its actually funny to think some of us knew it would come to this.
posted on 22/8/21
We should have appointed Allegri or Ancelotti but we didnt because they had ambition and went for this caannnttt instead
posted on 22/8/21
We’d probably be around 6th at best with Wenger if he stayed it was obvious we were getting worse with him, and other teams were improving. Plus he’s not exactly young so him leaving would have happened at some point soon. The problem isn’t really Wenger leaving it’s the fact the club is run by idiots and made countless wrong decisions that’s the main problem. I expect even if Arteta left we’d still make a load of awful decisions and not be hugely better off
posted on 22/8/21
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
We’d probably be around 6th at best with Wenger if he stayed it was obvious we were getting worse with him, and other teams were improving. Plus he’s not exactly young so him leaving would have happened at some point soon. The problem isn’t really Wenger leaving it’s the fact the club is run by idiots and made countless wrong decisions that’s the main problem. I expect even if Arteta left we’d still make a load of awful decisions and not be hugely better off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wenger being hounded out was disgusting though which ever way you try to look at it. He did say 'you will miss me when I'm gone' maybe its bad karma for the way some fans behaved. The tranisition should have been handled much more patiently.
posted on 22/8/21
You were no longer progressing under Wenger. He was brilliant in the 90s and 2000s, but the natural progression of football was leaving him behind. He was no longer an innovator in his final years at Arsenal. He was a manager who was clinging onto past glories.
It was the right decision for him to leave.
The fault doesn’t lie with Wenger, or with those who wanted him to leave. The fault lies with the club for not being able to successfully replace him.
But even saying that is harsh. It is easier said than done. Emery was a good appointment. An appointment that is easily understood. So even though he didn’t work out (wasn’t given enough time in my opinion), you can’t be critical of the board for making that appointment.
Arteta is a strange one. I said in another post - maybe seeing what happened at United, who appointed proven managers after Ferguson, managers who didn’t work out, made Arsenal feel that giving the job to a young promising guy was the way to go.
It’s not working out with Arteta, but then the OP’s comment about being careful what you wish for doesn’t begin or end with Wenger.
Managers need time. Especially young managers. I don’t think Arteta will get that time, and to be fair he can’t really have any complaints if he is sacked.
But who can you go for after Arteta? That is the a problem.
posted on 22/8/21
Wenger was a busted flush for a long time before he left - the mistake was keeping him as long as we did, not the other way round…
posted on 22/8/21
Sorry but it's got nothing to do with Wenger out. Arsenal hired the wrong managers that's all.
If they actually made the correct appointment they wouldn't be in this mess. The minute Tuchel was sacked by PSG was when we should have acted and got rid of Arteta.
posted on 22/8/21
Good comment Ripley, although we looked so bad at the end of Emery's reign I'm not sure what other choice we had
We're in a similar position now though I guess and Arteta is getting that time.
I hate to say it but I think short term we need to think like Chelsea and be ruthless with our hiring and firing. We might not be at our most appealing but I think we could attract someone like Conte if we wanted to go that route, or someone like Potter if we wanted to think as more of long term project
posted on 22/8/21
Tbag,
Chelsea have been absolutely ruthless with their managers, but they are a club who have backed every single one of their managers, and been in a position financially to wipe out the losses from any manager and effectively start again when a new appointment is made.
I don’t think Arsenal have that luxury from a financial perspective.
Even City haven’t adopted the approach of Chelsea in regards to managers.
posted on 22/8/21
Enough wasting bytes in this database talking about managers. I'm more interested in their boss.
#KroenkeOUT
posted on 22/8/21
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 10 minutes ago
Sorry but it's got nothing to do with Wenger out. Arsenal hired the wrong managers that's all.
If they actually made the correct appointment they wouldn't be in this mess. The minute Tuchel was sacked by PSG was when we should have acted and got rid of Arteta.
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To be fair, there’s only been two managerial appointments (permanent appointments) since Wenger left.
One - Emery - can easily be justified.
The other - Arteta, is without doubt a gamble. One that isn’t (as things stand) paying off.
posted on 22/8/21
comment by The Logical One™ (destroying impersonators since 2020 😅) (U20872)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
We’d probably be around 6th at best with Wenger if he stayed it was obvious we were getting worse with him, and other teams were improving. Plus he’s not exactly young so him leaving would have happened at some point soon. The problem isn’t really Wenger leaving it’s the fact the club is run by idiots and made countless wrong decisions that’s the main problem. I expect even if Arteta left we’d still make a load of awful decisions and not be hugely better off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wenger being hounded out was disgusting though which ever way you try to look at it. He did say 'you will miss me when I'm gone' maybe its bad karma for the way some fans behaved. The tranisition should have been handled much more patiently.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I agree some of the behaviour was way over the top. It’s not a justification for any abuse, but you can understand fans frustration when we were told time and time again by the club that we were going to be competing with the best clubs in the world after moving to emirates, this coupled with us paying huge ticket prices. Yet under the last years of Wenger we were getting worse and worse, and standing still while others improved.
Wengers time was coming to an end, but as many said at the time he wasn’t the main problem at the club and him leaving wouldn’t fix other issues. Fan anger at the time should have been directed much more at those running the club who have let the club drift off into the abyss with no sense of direction or leadership
posted on 22/8/21
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 35 seconds ago
Yes I agree some of the behaviour was way over the top. It’s not a justification for any abuse, but you can understand fans frustration when we were told time and time again by the club that we were going to be competing with the best clubs in the world after moving to emirates, this coupled with us paying huge ticket prices. Yet under the last years of Wenger we were getting worse and worse, and standing still while others improved.
Wengers time was coming to an end, but as many said at the time he wasn’t the main problem at the club and him leaving wouldn’t fix other issues. Fan anger at the time should have been directed much more at those running the club who have let the club drift off into the abyss with no sense of direction or leadership
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed the anger was directed in the wrong direction.
posted on 22/8/21
OP is spot on.
And I rarely post that on the AFC board.
Wenger was a genius at making ordinary players gel into competitors and even title winners.
Players came from ordinarinesss and achieved stuff well above their individual competency/skill levels. Some were even fortunate enough to be sold, and we're made to look ordinary again.
Unlikely to have a manager that good for generations.
posted on 22/8/21
Wenger was awful in his later years, the fact they have somehow managed to get worse (in no small part thanks to player's Wenger signed himself) shouldn't deflect from that.
posted on 22/8/21
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Tbag,
Chelsea have been absolutely ruthless with their managers, but they are a club who have backed every single one of their managers, and been in a position financially to wipe out the losses from any manager and effectively start again when a new appointment is made.
I don’t think Arsenal have that luxury from a financial perspective.
Even City haven’t adopted the approach of Chelsea in regards to managers.
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I agree, but I also don't think our squad is as bad as our performances suggest. Someone new could still get a lot more out of these lot
posted on 22/8/21
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 20 minutes ago
Wenger was awful in his later years, the fact they have somehow managed to get worse (in no small part thanks to player's Wenger signed himself) shouldn't deflect from that.
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Awful but made top 4 every season except his last two? Have a word with yourself
posted on 22/8/21
Wenger should have been replaced years before he was. But with top managers not Emery and Arteta.
posted on 22/8/21
The merry go round wont solve our problems that is at Arsenal about 10 years.
posted on 22/8/21
It wouldn’t, but a better manager would solve many of the problems at Arsenal the last 18 months.
posted on 22/8/21
No one asked for artera or Emery to replace Wenger!!. If we’d gone and gotten a top manager we wouldn’t be in this mess , stop posting the same rubbish everytime.
posted on 22/8/21
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
The merry go round wont solve our problems that is at Arsenal about 10 years.
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May 2007, we're 9 months away from 15 years.
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