I have lingering doubts that these players are good enough to get us to where the club deserves to be.
I think we’re a couple of players short.
But you want him sacked
Who do you want to replace him ?
Already said in previous post, Brendan Rodgers.
comment by Lowfields73 (U21886)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Said it many times before, we're simply not good enough. Today's performance highlights this, Rodrigo and Roberts are a waste of time, squads too small,Bielsa taken us as far as we can go, massive relegation fight ahead,God help us.
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Stop talking Shiite!
Amazing how MOTD defended the Burnley tackles by saying they want to see a physical game and how we gave as much as we got.
Total Bollox.
I think some of it is due to the fact we have lost leaders in the dressing room. Bera, Pabs, and Alioski were strong characters who epitomized what Bielsa stands for. Their departure marks a period of transition for us. New players, different understandings. Our new crop have to bed in and bring the team back together. Trust Bielsa. He hasn’t let us down. Our fluency and incisiveness will return.
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 8 hours, 35 minutes ago
Amazing how MOTD defended the Burnley tackles by saying they want to see a physical game and how we gave as much as we got.
Total Bollox.
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My thoughts exactly. When the commentator described Barnes assault on Dallas as a "tangle" I almost fell off my chair!
There were some tasty tackles yesterday but the Barnes assault was as clear a red card as you will see all season. Dallas is very lucky he escaped a broken leg.
I have a mate who is very friendly with Brendan Rodgers and I'll ask him to check if Brendan is free in two weeks time to take over our club after we sack Bielsa.
We really have one or two d*ckh*ads amongst our support.
Alioski had his critics but no one ever slagged off his amazing stamina and energy which was infectious and like the drummer in a band setting the rhythm and backbeat which spread throughout the rest of his teammates.
So far even though it's early days we seem to be missing our drummer and I'm not too sure Firpo will be able to give us that role from what I've seen so far but when Shackleton was introduced he did seem to generate a massive energy injection that eventually contributed to our equaliser so I personally would stick with Shacks if Firpo is going to be out for a while.
Yes, I agree, Shackleton and Roberts refreshed the side.
I've watched it again and I can't see how Barnes got away with that tackle on Dallas. If Cooper's at City was a red because it was dangerous and he was out of control, then so was Barnes's!
I agree that the ref allowed play to flow as much as possible and that this is always preferable to having the game constantly interrupted. I also agree that Phillips got stuck in too.
Even so, he let one or two very bad, dangerous, out of control tackles stand and he should be called out for it.
comment by Lowfields73 (U21886)
posted 14 hours, 7 minutes ago
Said it many times before, we're simply not good enough. Today's performance highlights this, Rodrigo and Roberts are a waste of time, squads too small,Bielsa taken us as far as we can go, massive relegation fight ahead,God help us.
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I've said it many times, fack off Lowlife.
"Said it many times before, we're simply not good enough."
Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you're not just having an over-the-top moan after a defeat, I'm not sure what you actually mean by this, Lowfields.
Is it that we're not good enough for the PL?
- Yet, with only Firpo in for Alioski we're essentially the same team that finished last season in 9th. Do you really believe that Alioski was solely responsible for that position?
Or is it that we're not good enough for this season's PL?
- And to that I have to say, how can you possibly know after only three games?
Or perhaps it's simply that we're not good enough for where you want us to be?
- But that's entirely about your own expectations rather than the club's performance.
Simply put, what are we not good enough for?
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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Sorry Jonty I totally disagree on this, a foul is a foul and some of the ones he took minimal action on, were worthy of much more than were meted out. He didn't need to whistle every ten seconds he just needed to take the required action, doesn't mean in doing so the game doesn't flow.
He also needed to be consistent, a ref needs to set a benchmark, if he can book a player for a clip of an opponents heels as he dribbles aimlessly across the pitch no more than a coming together, how on earth does Barnes' two footed out of control knee high lunge merit the same sanction. If your benchmark is that Mee's tackle on Paddy which looked like it would end his game (with the commentators expressing concern that it would rule him out of the England games) is worthy of a yellow, how in goods earth can Rodrigo's trip be deemed just as serious.
Having watched the first half highlights I think had Cooper made those tackles he would have walked and we would have had no complaints.
The ref might have let the game flow, come back and booked their players, but the fact is both of the tackles on Bamford and Dallas should have been red cards.
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 29 minutes ago
Having watched the first half highlights I think had Cooper made those tackles he would have walked and we would have had no complaints.
The ref might have let the game flow, come back and booked their players, but the fact is both of the tackles on Bamford and Dallas should have been red cards.
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spot on
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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I dont buy that argument at all.
Had the ref done his job and sent off their players when and where it was appropriate than Burnley would have had to change tactics and stop with the persistent fouling.
They played the way they did because they knew they could get away with it because of a weak ref
comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
"Said it many times before, we're simply not good enough."
Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you're not just having an over-the-top moan after a defeat, I'm not sure what you actually mean by this, Lowfields.
Is it that we're not good enough for the PL?
- Yet, with only Firpo in for Alioski we're essentially the same team that finished last season in 9th. Do you really believe that Alioski was solely responsible for that position?
Or is it that we're not good enough for this season's PL?
- And to that I have to say, how can you possibly know after only three games?
Or perhaps it's simply that we're not good enough for where you want us to be?
- But that's entirely about your own expectations rather than the club's performance.
Simply put, what are we not good enough for?
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Sheffield Utd finshed 9th then got relegated the following season. Based on performances so far and hiw little improvement we've made, we look as close to relegation as we do getting 9th atm.
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sheffield Utd finshed 9th then got relegated the following season. Based on performances so far and hiw little improvement we've made, we look as close to relegation as we do getting 9th atm.
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Not disagreeing with any of that Shaun, just think that Lowfield's claim that we're not good enough for this season's PL (if that's what he did mean) is unnecessarily doom-laden after only three games.
However, that said, would feel far happier if we'd added a No 10 alongside Firpo.
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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Sorry Jonty I totally disagree on this, a foul is a foul and some of the ones he took minimal action on, were worthy of much more than were meted out. He didn't need to whistle every ten seconds he just needed to take the required action, doesn't mean in doing so the game doesn't flow.
He also needed to be consistent, a ref needs to set a benchmark, if he can book a player for a clip of an opponents heels as he dribbles aimlessly across the pitch no more than a coming together, how on earth does Barnes' two footed out of control knee high lunge merit the same sanction. If your benchmark is that Mee's tackle on Paddy which looked like it would end his game (with the commentators expressing concern that it would rule him out of the England games) is worthy of a yellow, how in goods earth can Rodrigo's trip be deemed just as serious.
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The ref did ensure those tackles didn't go unpunished.
Barnes on Dallas looked really bad especially with Dallas banging his leg against the ground, but then he's up 2 seconds later. See on Bamford looked bad too, but I'm not sure as I saw that as a red. Tackle on Man City v Raphinha last season was far worse, only got a yellow.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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Sorry Jonty I totally disagree on this, a foul is a foul and some of the ones he took minimal action on, were worthy of much more than were meted out. He didn't need to whistle every ten seconds he just needed to take the required action, doesn't mean in doing so the game doesn't flow.
He also needed to be consistent, a ref needs to set a benchmark, if he can book a player for a clip of an opponents heels as he dribbles aimlessly across the pitch no more than a coming together, how on earth does Barnes' two footed out of control knee high lunge merit the same sanction. If your benchmark is that Mee's tackle on Paddy which looked like it would end his game (with the commentators expressing concern that it would rule him out of the England games) is worthy of a yellow, how in goods earth can Rodrigo's trip be deemed just as serious.
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The ref did ensure those tackles didn't go unpunished.
Barnes on Dallas looked really bad especially with Dallas banging his leg against the ground, but then he's up 2 seconds later. See on Bamford looked bad too, but I'm not sure as I saw that as a red. Tackle on Man City v Raphinha last season was far worse, only got a yellow.
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The Fernandinho assault last year was a red no doubt and went relatively unpunished (did it get a yellow, I cannot recall).
If that's your yardstick for yellows then we are surely back to the standards set in the 70's but by that standard how did Rodrigo get a booking.
You cannot surely set the standard of punishment on the impact on the victim, the fact that Dallas was able to get and walk away a few seconds later is irrelevant, if Barnes had connected and broken his leg the action would still have been the same.
The yellow card was not proportionate to the offence and, address this please because so far you have ducked it, if it was proportional, how was Rodrigo's challenge a yellow.
I maintain Oliver had a poor match, he made obvious errors of judgement, was inconsistent and put the players' welfare at risk.
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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Sorry Jonty I totally disagree on this, a foul is a foul and some of the ones he took minimal action on, were worthy of much more than were meted out. He didn't need to whistle every ten seconds he just needed to take the required action, doesn't mean in doing so the game doesn't flow.
He also needed to be consistent, a ref needs to set a benchmark, if he can book a player for a clip of an opponents heels as he dribbles aimlessly across the pitch no more than a coming together, how on earth does Barnes' two footed out of control knee high lunge merit the same sanction. If your benchmark is that Mee's tackle on Paddy which looked like it would end his game (with the commentators expressing concern that it would rule him out of the England games) is worthy of a yellow, how in goods earth can Rodrigo's trip be deemed just as serious.
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The ref did ensure those tackles didn't go unpunished.
Barnes on Dallas looked really bad especially with Dallas banging his leg against the ground, but then he's up 2 seconds later. See on Bamford looked bad too, but I'm not sure as I saw that as a red. Tackle on Man City v Raphinha last season was far worse, only got a yellow.
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The Fernandinho assault last year was a red no doubt and went relatively unpunished (did it get a yellow, I cannot recall).
If that's your yardstick for yellows then we are surely back to the standards set in the 70's but by that standard how did Rodrigo get a booking.
You cannot surely set the standard of punishment on the impact on the victim, the fact that Dallas was able to get and walk away a few seconds later is irrelevant, if Barnes had connected and broken his leg the action would still have been the same.
The yellow card was not proportionate to the offence and, address this please because so far you have ducked it, if it was proportional, how was Rodrigo's challenge a yellow.
I maintain Oliver had a poor match, he made obvious errors of judgement, was inconsistent and put the players' welfare at risk.
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You say its a red no doubt yet the professionals gave him a yellow.
"You cannot surely set the standard of punishment on the impact on the victim" this happens all the time though, refs and fans heavily influenced by reaction/impact.
Not sure how I've not addressed anything, was physical from both sides you complaining about "could have" if this, if that etc etc, all players got up and got on with it, game flowed, ref didn't put anyone's welfare at risk, the only people who do that are the players themselves.
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posted on 29/8/21
I have lingering doubts that these players are good enough to get us to where the club deserves to be.
I think we’re a couple of players short.
But you want him sacked
Who do you want to replace him ?
posted on 29/8/21
Already said in previous post, Brendan Rodgers.
posted on 29/8/21
🤦🤦🤦
posted on 29/8/21
comment by Lowfields73 (U21886)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Said it many times before, we're simply not good enough. Today's performance highlights this, Rodrigo and Roberts are a waste of time, squads too small,Bielsa taken us as far as we can go, massive relegation fight ahead,God help us.
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Stop talking Shiite!
posted on 29/8/21
Amazing how MOTD defended the Burnley tackles by saying they want to see a physical game and how we gave as much as we got.
Total Bollox.
posted on 29/8/21
I think some of it is due to the fact we have lost leaders in the dressing room. Bera, Pabs, and Alioski were strong characters who epitomized what Bielsa stands for. Their departure marks a period of transition for us. New players, different understandings. Our new crop have to bed in and bring the team back together. Trust Bielsa. He hasn’t let us down. Our fluency and incisiveness will return.
posted on 30/8/21
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 8 hours, 35 minutes ago
Amazing how MOTD defended the Burnley tackles by saying they want to see a physical game and how we gave as much as we got.
Total Bollox.
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My thoughts exactly. When the commentator described Barnes assault on Dallas as a "tangle" I almost fell off my chair!
posted on 30/8/21
There were some tasty tackles yesterday but the Barnes assault was as clear a red card as you will see all season. Dallas is very lucky he escaped a broken leg.
I have a mate who is very friendly with Brendan Rodgers and I'll ask him to check if Brendan is free in two weeks time to take over our club after we sack Bielsa.
We really have one or two d*ckh*ads amongst our support.
posted on 30/8/21
Alioski had his critics but no one ever slagged off his amazing stamina and energy which was infectious and like the drummer in a band setting the rhythm and backbeat which spread throughout the rest of his teammates.
So far even though it's early days we seem to be missing our drummer and I'm not too sure Firpo will be able to give us that role from what I've seen so far but when Shackleton was introduced he did seem to generate a massive energy injection that eventually contributed to our equaliser so I personally would stick with Shacks if Firpo is going to be out for a while.
posted on 30/8/21
Yes, I agree, Shackleton and Roberts refreshed the side.
I've watched it again and I can't see how Barnes got away with that tackle on Dallas. If Cooper's at City was a red because it was dangerous and he was out of control, then so was Barnes's!
I agree that the ref allowed play to flow as much as possible and that this is always preferable to having the game constantly interrupted. I also agree that Phillips got stuck in too.
Even so, he let one or two very bad, dangerous, out of control tackles stand and he should be called out for it.
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Lowfields73 (U21886)
posted 14 hours, 7 minutes ago
Said it many times before, we're simply not good enough. Today's performance highlights this, Rodrigo and Roberts are a waste of time, squads too small,Bielsa taken us as far as we can go, massive relegation fight ahead,God help us.
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I've said it many times, fack off Lowlife.
posted on 30/8/21
"Said it many times before, we're simply not good enough."
Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you're not just having an over-the-top moan after a defeat, I'm not sure what you actually mean by this, Lowfields.
Is it that we're not good enough for the PL?
- Yet, with only Firpo in for Alioski we're essentially the same team that finished last season in 9th. Do you really believe that Alioski was solely responsible for that position?
Or is it that we're not good enough for this season's PL?
- And to that I have to say, how can you possibly know after only three games?
Or perhaps it's simply that we're not good enough for where you want us to be?
- But that's entirely about your own expectations rather than the club's performance.
Simply put, what are we not good enough for?
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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Sorry Jonty I totally disagree on this, a foul is a foul and some of the ones he took minimal action on, were worthy of much more than were meted out. He didn't need to whistle every ten seconds he just needed to take the required action, doesn't mean in doing so the game doesn't flow.
He also needed to be consistent, a ref needs to set a benchmark, if he can book a player for a clip of an opponents heels as he dribbles aimlessly across the pitch no more than a coming together, how on earth does Barnes' two footed out of control knee high lunge merit the same sanction. If your benchmark is that Mee's tackle on Paddy which looked like it would end his game (with the commentators expressing concern that it would rule him out of the England games) is worthy of a yellow, how in goods earth can Rodrigo's trip be deemed just as serious.
posted on 30/8/21
Having watched the first half highlights I think had Cooper made those tackles he would have walked and we would have had no complaints.
The ref might have let the game flow, come back and booked their players, but the fact is both of the tackles on Bamford and Dallas should have been red cards.
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 29 minutes ago
Having watched the first half highlights I think had Cooper made those tackles he would have walked and we would have had no complaints.
The ref might have let the game flow, come back and booked their players, but the fact is both of the tackles on Bamford and Dallas should have been red cards.
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spot on
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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I dont buy that argument at all.
Had the ref done his job and sent off their players when and where it was appropriate than Burnley would have had to change tactics and stop with the persistent fouling.
They played the way they did because they knew they could get away with it because of a weak ref
posted on 30/8/21
comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
"Said it many times before, we're simply not good enough."
Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you're not just having an over-the-top moan after a defeat, I'm not sure what you actually mean by this, Lowfields.
Is it that we're not good enough for the PL?
- Yet, with only Firpo in for Alioski we're essentially the same team that finished last season in 9th. Do you really believe that Alioski was solely responsible for that position?
Or is it that we're not good enough for this season's PL?
- And to that I have to say, how can you possibly know after only three games?
Or perhaps it's simply that we're not good enough for where you want us to be?
- But that's entirely about your own expectations rather than the club's performance.
Simply put, what are we not good enough for?
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Sheffield Utd finshed 9th then got relegated the following season. Based on performances so far and hiw little improvement we've made, we look as close to relegation as we do getting 9th atm.
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Rapinha with you! (U9955)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sheffield Utd finshed 9th then got relegated the following season. Based on performances so far and hiw little improvement we've made, we look as close to relegation as we do getting 9th atm.
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Not disagreeing with any of that Shaun, just think that Lowfield's claim that we're not good enough for this season's PL (if that's what he did mean) is unnecessarily doom-laden after only three games.
However, that said, would feel far happier if we'd added a No 10 alongside Firpo.
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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Sorry Jonty I totally disagree on this, a foul is a foul and some of the ones he took minimal action on, were worthy of much more than were meted out. He didn't need to whistle every ten seconds he just needed to take the required action, doesn't mean in doing so the game doesn't flow.
He also needed to be consistent, a ref needs to set a benchmark, if he can book a player for a clip of an opponents heels as he dribbles aimlessly across the pitch no more than a coming together, how on earth does Barnes' two footed out of control knee high lunge merit the same sanction. If your benchmark is that Mee's tackle on Paddy which looked like it would end his game (with the commentators expressing concern that it would rule him out of the England games) is worthy of a yellow, how in goods earth can Rodrigo's trip be deemed just as serious.
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The ref did ensure those tackles didn't go unpunished.
Barnes on Dallas looked really bad especially with Dallas banging his leg against the ground, but then he's up 2 seconds later. See on Bamford looked bad too, but I'm not sure as I saw that as a red. Tackle on Man City v Raphinha last season was far worse, only got a yellow.
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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Sorry Jonty I totally disagree on this, a foul is a foul and some of the ones he took minimal action on, were worthy of much more than were meted out. He didn't need to whistle every ten seconds he just needed to take the required action, doesn't mean in doing so the game doesn't flow.
He also needed to be consistent, a ref needs to set a benchmark, if he can book a player for a clip of an opponents heels as he dribbles aimlessly across the pitch no more than a coming together, how on earth does Barnes' two footed out of control knee high lunge merit the same sanction. If your benchmark is that Mee's tackle on Paddy which looked like it would end his game (with the commentators expressing concern that it would rule him out of the England games) is worthy of a yellow, how in goods earth can Rodrigo's trip be deemed just as serious.
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The ref did ensure those tackles didn't go unpunished.
Barnes on Dallas looked really bad especially with Dallas banging his leg against the ground, but then he's up 2 seconds later. See on Bamford looked bad too, but I'm not sure as I saw that as a red. Tackle on Man City v Raphinha last season was far worse, only got a yellow.
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The Fernandinho assault last year was a red no doubt and went relatively unpunished (did it get a yellow, I cannot recall).
If that's your yardstick for yellows then we are surely back to the standards set in the 70's but by that standard how did Rodrigo get a booking.
You cannot surely set the standard of punishment on the impact on the victim, the fact that Dallas was able to get and walk away a few seconds later is irrelevant, if Barnes had connected and broken his leg the action would still have been the same.
The yellow card was not proportionate to the offence and, address this please because so far you have ducked it, if it was proportional, how was Rodrigo's challenge a yellow.
I maintain Oliver had a poor match, he made obvious errors of judgement, was inconsistent and put the players' welfare at risk.
posted on 30/8/21
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - The Specials' One (U21658)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
Having watching MOTD, I stand by my assessment of ref. He let things flow, played advantages and came back and booked players for the really tough challenges and both sides were dishing it out.
Would much rather have that and flowing football than whistle blown every 10 seconds.
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Sorry Jonty I totally disagree on this, a foul is a foul and some of the ones he took minimal action on, were worthy of much more than were meted out. He didn't need to whistle every ten seconds he just needed to take the required action, doesn't mean in doing so the game doesn't flow.
He also needed to be consistent, a ref needs to set a benchmark, if he can book a player for a clip of an opponents heels as he dribbles aimlessly across the pitch no more than a coming together, how on earth does Barnes' two footed out of control knee high lunge merit the same sanction. If your benchmark is that Mee's tackle on Paddy which looked like it would end his game (with the commentators expressing concern that it would rule him out of the England games) is worthy of a yellow, how in goods earth can Rodrigo's trip be deemed just as serious.
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The ref did ensure those tackles didn't go unpunished.
Barnes on Dallas looked really bad especially with Dallas banging his leg against the ground, but then he's up 2 seconds later. See on Bamford looked bad too, but I'm not sure as I saw that as a red. Tackle on Man City v Raphinha last season was far worse, only got a yellow.
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The Fernandinho assault last year was a red no doubt and went relatively unpunished (did it get a yellow, I cannot recall).
If that's your yardstick for yellows then we are surely back to the standards set in the 70's but by that standard how did Rodrigo get a booking.
You cannot surely set the standard of punishment on the impact on the victim, the fact that Dallas was able to get and walk away a few seconds later is irrelevant, if Barnes had connected and broken his leg the action would still have been the same.
The yellow card was not proportionate to the offence and, address this please because so far you have ducked it, if it was proportional, how was Rodrigo's challenge a yellow.
I maintain Oliver had a poor match, he made obvious errors of judgement, was inconsistent and put the players' welfare at risk.
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You say its a red no doubt yet the professionals gave him a yellow.
"You cannot surely set the standard of punishment on the impact on the victim" this happens all the time though, refs and fans heavily influenced by reaction/impact.
Not sure how I've not addressed anything, was physical from both sides you complaining about "could have" if this, if that etc etc, all players got up and got on with it, game flowed, ref didn't put anyone's welfare at risk, the only people who do that are the players themselves.
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