If any normal person had been as crap at their job (leadership) as JR, they'd have been sacked a long time ago.
He obviously has friends in high places (allowing him to resign).
The players aren't there and there aren't many obvious alternative captains. Stokes has plenty on his plate already, for example.
Plenty of options for the captaincy
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 32 minutes ago
If any normal person had been as crap at their job (leadership) as JR, they'd have been sacked a long time ago.
He obviously has friends in high places (allowing him to resign).
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Can't put it all on Root. The players need to look at their performances and other than Root, Stokes and a handful of bowlers, no one has performed consistently at the level required for test cricket. Its going to be a tough summer for the new captain whoever he may be without the quality in our batting line up.
There are no stand out candidates for the role, Broad seems to be favourite but based on what he and Anderson have said, it'd be bizarre to drop them, barely commumicate with them and then bring them back as captain. Obviously a new director and coach might ease that as they will come in with new ideas and say they shouldn't have been dropped in the first place.
Hopefully whoever they appoint is good enough to get in the team and has better luck with injuries, Root had some rotten luck with sicknotes like Archer, Stokes, Stone etc, they could never get their best team for the conditions on the pitch. Along with no quality openers around, the new bloke will do well to match Root`s record.
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
If any normal person had been as crap at their job (leadership) as JR, they'd have been sacked a long time ago.
He obviously has friends in high places (allowing him to resign).
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There weren't any alternatives though.
He also wasn't as crap as people made out in my opinion, just very meh
James Vince being touted, he may be good tactically but has never established himself as a good enough player
No real candidate....he's was poor tactically but also has had lots to deal with off the field with COVID and all the comings and goings with injured players and management.
Guess maybe stokes....or ask the chef to come back and actually solve two problems.
The irony is that if Root hadnt been captain for the last 5 years then everyone would be saying that Root should be captain now as he's the still the standout candidate.
Maybe he thinks batting at 3 without the captaincy is the best thing for the team, which it might well be. Perhaps an interim captain (whether its Broad or Stokes) is the best way to go and see whether someone presents themselves by the end of the summer. Giving it to someone like Vince or Billings and say if they average 20 for the summer, the pressure on them will be immense. Unless of course they can galvanise the team to have a successful summer.
Maybe Bairstow? who knows time will tell
Rob Key in as director, supposedly they were going to wait until the end of the month to name director and coach but I guess with Root standing down, the ECB need to hurry so a decision can be made on the next captain.
I don't mind Key on TV. Whether he'll make a good ECB director is another matter of course.
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 4 days, 2 hours ago
James Vince being touted, he may be good tactically but has never established himself as a good enough player
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He is more than good enough technically. Just struggles with the temperament when batting.
I think he is the best option. He has captained since his England U19s days. Bat him at 6 or 7 so there is less pressure on that aspect of his game and start to rebuild like the Aussies did with Tim Payne.
You gotta be kidding?? he has the personality of drowned rat.. zero emotion his is face..
Vince has massively under achieved with the talent he has. I don't know much about his potential qualities for captaining the side but he doesn't feel like the right fit.
Tim Paine was at least in the side wasn't he when made captain albeit with not a lot of tests to his name. The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of bringing someone in just so we can make them captain.
I know people always point at Brearley as an example of an exceptional captain means it's okay that he doesn't contribute with the bat. However I just can't see that working today. If Vince is averaging less than 25 (which he currently does) then it won't take long for everyone to say it's not good enough, he's not worth his place.
If we had 5 bats and a wicket keeper batsman all averaging over 40 with Vince averaging 25 so we're consistently getting first innings scores closer to the 400 mark then maybe if he is tactically good then you can carry that. However with everyone bar Root averaging below 30 (Bairstow averages 34.5 but the last 5 years since his incredible year, he averages like 28), it's just not going to work.
The fact that there is no good option other than Root is a problem. If Vince is seen as the most preferred option then all we can hope is that the responsibility of being captain matures his batting so he doesn't have a drive twice an over.
Paine wasn't really in the side before captaincy. He had a 7 year absence from the test team prior to being called up a few tests before being given the captaincy. He was considering retiring just before that as he was struggling to play for Tasmania.
Yeah I think a specialist captain who's subpar with the bat in our current lineup can only work if they're a WK, because no amount of captaincy can make up for being bowled out for 180.
We need 4 batsman who all average 30 at the absolute minimum to go with Root and Stokes.
I guess that is why Buttler was potentially being lined up. However he still would have been under immense pressure about his place in the side.
From what I'm reading, it seems like Ben Stokes will be approached and asked to captain the side. It will probably feel like the completion of a redemption arc for him so I can't see him turning it down. Feels on balance like that is probably the best option for now.
Morgan has very firmly ruled himself out of the Test job and talked up Stokes.
Oops. Meant to post this:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/cricket/morgan-has-no-interest-in-test-captaincy-backs-stokes/ar-AAWtzm8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=28c629f8b19249aaa3de8604b3e6c3a6
It feels a bit inevitable that Stokes will land the job. Broad and Anderson have both hinted that he's the only real candidate and I don't get the vibe that anyone thinks it's a good idea to bring someone in especially to be captain.
Stokes set to be named Test Captain
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Stokes confirmed as captain. A good choice in many ways but it seems a heavy workload for him especially with the difficulties he has had.
https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/2594085/ben-stokes-named-england-mens-test-captain
The only choice really. Harmison was saying we need to protect him so move him down to 6 but I don't think that makes a difference given our batting problems.
Nothing will really change though unless the batting improves. Even if a captaincy burden relieved Root averages 70+ for the summer, we need more from the rest. Perhaps Stokes will turn to Root more than he turned to himself.
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posted on 15/4/22
If any normal person had been as crap at their job (leadership) as JR, they'd have been sacked a long time ago.
He obviously has friends in high places (allowing him to resign).
posted on 15/4/22
The players aren't there and there aren't many obvious alternative captains. Stokes has plenty on his plate already, for example.
posted on 15/4/22
Plenty of options for the captaincy
posted on 15/4/22
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 32 minutes ago
If any normal person had been as crap at their job (leadership) as JR, they'd have been sacked a long time ago.
He obviously has friends in high places (allowing him to resign).
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Can't put it all on Root. The players need to look at their performances and other than Root, Stokes and a handful of bowlers, no one has performed consistently at the level required for test cricket. Its going to be a tough summer for the new captain whoever he may be without the quality in our batting line up.
There are no stand out candidates for the role, Broad seems to be favourite but based on what he and Anderson have said, it'd be bizarre to drop them, barely commumicate with them and then bring them back as captain. Obviously a new director and coach might ease that as they will come in with new ideas and say they shouldn't have been dropped in the first place.
posted on 15/4/22
Sam Billings.
posted on 15/4/22
Hopefully whoever they appoint is good enough to get in the team and has better luck with injuries, Root had some rotten luck with sicknotes like Archer, Stokes, Stone etc, they could never get their best team for the conditions on the pitch. Along with no quality openers around, the new bloke will do well to match Root`s record.
posted on 15/4/22
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
If any normal person had been as crap at their job (leadership) as JR, they'd have been sacked a long time ago.
He obviously has friends in high places (allowing him to resign).
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There weren't any alternatives though.
He also wasn't as crap as people made out in my opinion, just very meh
posted on 15/4/22
James Vince being touted, he may be good tactically but has never established himself as a good enough player
posted on 15/4/22
No real candidate....he's was poor tactically but also has had lots to deal with off the field with COVID and all the comings and goings with injured players and management.
Guess maybe stokes....or ask the chef to come back and actually solve two problems.
posted on 15/4/22
The irony is that if Root hadnt been captain for the last 5 years then everyone would be saying that Root should be captain now as he's the still the standout candidate.
Maybe he thinks batting at 3 without the captaincy is the best thing for the team, which it might well be. Perhaps an interim captain (whether its Broad or Stokes) is the best way to go and see whether someone presents themselves by the end of the summer. Giving it to someone like Vince or Billings and say if they average 20 for the summer, the pressure on them will be immense. Unless of course they can galvanise the team to have a successful summer.
posted on 15/4/22
Maybe Bairstow? who knows time will tell
posted on 17/4/22
Rob Key in as director, supposedly they were going to wait until the end of the month to name director and coach but I guess with Root standing down, the ECB need to hurry so a decision can be made on the next captain.
posted on 17/4/22
I don't mind Key on TV. Whether he'll make a good ECB director is another matter of course.
posted on 19/4/22
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 4 days, 2 hours ago
James Vince being touted, he may be good tactically but has never established himself as a good enough player
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He is more than good enough technically. Just struggles with the temperament when batting.
I think he is the best option. He has captained since his England U19s days. Bat him at 6 or 7 so there is less pressure on that aspect of his game and start to rebuild like the Aussies did with Tim Payne.
posted on 19/4/22
You gotta be kidding?? he has the personality of drowned rat.. zero emotion his is face..
posted on 20/4/22
Vince has massively under achieved with the talent he has. I don't know much about his potential qualities for captaining the side but he doesn't feel like the right fit.
Tim Paine was at least in the side wasn't he when made captain albeit with not a lot of tests to his name. The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of bringing someone in just so we can make them captain.
I know people always point at Brearley as an example of an exceptional captain means it's okay that he doesn't contribute with the bat. However I just can't see that working today. If Vince is averaging less than 25 (which he currently does) then it won't take long for everyone to say it's not good enough, he's not worth his place.
If we had 5 bats and a wicket keeper batsman all averaging over 40 with Vince averaging 25 so we're consistently getting first innings scores closer to the 400 mark then maybe if he is tactically good then you can carry that. However with everyone bar Root averaging below 30 (Bairstow averages 34.5 but the last 5 years since his incredible year, he averages like 28), it's just not going to work.
The fact that there is no good option other than Root is a problem. If Vince is seen as the most preferred option then all we can hope is that the responsibility of being captain matures his batting so he doesn't have a drive twice an over.
posted on 20/4/22
Paine wasn't really in the side before captaincy. He had a 7 year absence from the test team prior to being called up a few tests before being given the captaincy. He was considering retiring just before that as he was struggling to play for Tasmania.
posted on 20/4/22
Yeah I think a specialist captain who's subpar with the bat in our current lineup can only work if they're a WK, because no amount of captaincy can make up for being bowled out for 180.
We need 4 batsman who all average 30 at the absolute minimum to go with Root and Stokes.
posted on 21/4/22
I guess that is why Buttler was potentially being lined up. However he still would have been under immense pressure about his place in the side.
From what I'm reading, it seems like Ben Stokes will be approached and asked to captain the side. It will probably feel like the completion of a redemption arc for him so I can't see him turning it down. Feels on balance like that is probably the best option for now.
posted on 22/4/22
Morgan has very firmly ruled himself out of the Test job and talked up Stokes.
posted on 22/4/22
Oops. Meant to post this:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/cricket/morgan-has-no-interest-in-test-captaincy-backs-stokes/ar-AAWtzm8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=28c629f8b19249aaa3de8604b3e6c3a6
posted on 22/4/22
It feels a bit inevitable that Stokes will land the job. Broad and Anderson have both hinted that he's the only real candidate and I don't get the vibe that anyone thinks it's a good idea to bring someone in especially to be captain.
posted on 28/4/22
Stokes set to be named Test Captain
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
posted on 28/4/22
Stokes confirmed as captain. A good choice in many ways but it seems a heavy workload for him especially with the difficulties he has had.
https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/2594085/ben-stokes-named-england-mens-test-captain
posted on 28/4/22
The only choice really. Harmison was saying we need to protect him so move him down to 6 but I don't think that makes a difference given our batting problems.
Nothing will really change though unless the batting improves. Even if a captaincy burden relieved Root averages 70+ for the summer, we need more from the rest. Perhaps Stokes will turn to Root more than he turned to himself.
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