comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 8 minutes ago
"It is ridiculous to look at gross spend in isolation."

Why's that like?

Got one club that's not moved from the top of Scottish Football for a decade...and a club that basically lost all of its most valuable player assets, had to reset and build itself up from the third division, a club that was always going to speculate to accumulate for a period in order to get back to a good operating level

Looking a gross spend in isolation is not ridiculous in that situation...saying as much only suits a particular agenda
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Because gross spend in isolation, much like revenue, doesn’t give the complete picture of how a club, or a business, is doing. Any company worth its salt will absolutely have a profit or net income/outgo related KPI. Net spend in this instance can give a better picture of the effective managing of a club with a transfer selling model.

See my post above mate

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
Let's really look at things here then using Transfermarkt seeing as others have been quoting figures from there

In 17/18, the market value of Celtics squad was £69.7m

Since then, Celtic have spent £69m, but recouped £103m, so have made a net profit on transfers of £34m

As it stands, Celtic's squad is valued at £71.2m

So Celtic have brought in £34m, and the value of their squad has went up by about £1.5m, so in total that's a £35.5m increase in revenue/squad value

The Rangers squad in 17/18 was valued at a rather paltry £23.5m

Since then, we have spent £33m on transfer fees, and brought in about £18m, so a £15m net spend to strengthen our squad

As it stands, the market value of our current squad is a whopping £118.85m

So we've spent £15m, but our squad value has increased by over £95m.....so that's an £80m increase in squad value having spent just £15m

I'll take that thanks 👍
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That's all very well but your Chairman valued your squad at over £100m 3 years ago.

I wonder if dodgy Dave is going to the final?

comment by Magnum (Stopping the 2) (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
Let's really look at things here then using Transfermarkt seeing as others have been quoting figures from there

In 17/18, the market value of Celtics squad was £69.7m

Since then, Celtic have spent £69m, but recouped £103m, so have made a net profit on transfers of £34m

As it stands, Celtic's squad is valued at £71.2m

So Celtic have brought in £34m, and the value of their squad has went up by about £1.5m, so in total that's a £35.5m increase in revenue/squad value

The Rangers squad in 17/18 was valued at a rather paltry £23.5m

Since then, we have spent £33m on transfer fees, and brought in about £18m, so a £15m net spend to strengthen our squad

As it stands, the market value of our current squad is a whopping £118.85m

So we've spent £15m, but our squad value has increased by over £95m.....so that's an £80m increase in squad value having spent just £15m

I'll take that thanks 👍
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That's all very well but your Chairman valued your squad at over £100m 3 years ago.
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Come on now Magnum, Transfermarkt is the source we are using here

It says our squad was worth £50m in 19/20, so it went from £23.5m in 18/19 to £50m in 19/20....and our net spend was about £17m, so £26.5m increase in squad value for £17m spent

Again....quite happy with that 👍

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 40 seconds ago
See my post above mate
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👍 appreciate the response. The problem with market value though is it doesn’t seem to allow for depreciation of asset value to an outside purchaser as there is no allowance for duration remaining on contract. This is probably the one key financial variable when determining a players sell on value. To put it another way, having loads of assets is great, but if their contracts run down and are sold in the last 12 months of contract or, even worse, leave, then that market value disappears and is not recouped in income.

If you look at the highest market value player, it is currently Mbappe. But PSG will likely get not very much at all if he goes this summer as his contract is up at the end of June. And looping back to rangers, come the end of this month half of that market value you mention will be from players either out of contract or with less than 12 months to go on their contracts.

I really didn't need market value explained to me mate

However, I think there is a very good chance that we will be able to recoup the £15m net spend that we have had over the past 4 years...seeing as the market value of our squad has increased by £90m over that period

Hell if the right offer comes in, we could recoup it with one sale this summer

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
I really didn't need market value explained to me mate

However, I think there is a very good chance that we will be able to recoup the £15m net spend that we have had over the past 4 years...seeing as the market value of our squad has increased by £90m over that period

Hell if the right offer comes in, we could recoup it with one sale this summer
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😂😂 fair enough, wasnt trying to patronise re market value. I think the real risk for rangers (which has been somewhat mitigated by the Europa league run but is still there) is that bringing players in and developing them is grand, but if they’re not sold at the optimum time, then the effectiveness of the strategy is negatively impacted.

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
I really didn't need market value explained to me mate

However, I think there is a very good chance that we will be able to recoup the £15m net spend that we have had over the past 4 years...seeing as the market value of our squad has increased by £90m over that period

Hell if the right offer comes in, we could recoup it with one sale this summer
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😂😂 fair enough, wasnt trying to patronise re market value. I think the real risk for rangers (which has been somewhat mitigated by the Europa league run but is still there) is that bringing players in and developing them is grand, but if they’re not sold at the optimum time, then the effectiveness of the strategy is negatively impacted.
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That’s the same for every club 🤣

We wouldn’t have got to Europa final without Goldson so glad we didn’t sell. Same with Kent, and he’ll likely have more suitors now too despite having a year less. So works both ways

Meanwhile in other news.

Celtic just won the League.

I predict we'll win it again in '23.


Huzzah!

Pedro & co on here boasting it would be all over by Xmas.

He was only a few weeks out - but not in the way he thought.

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
I really didn't need market value explained to me mate

However, I think there is a very good chance that we will be able to recoup the £15m net spend that we have had over the past 4 years...seeing as the market value of our squad has increased by £90m over that period

Hell if the right offer comes in, we could recoup it with one sale this summer
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😂😂 fair enough, wasnt trying to patronise re market value. I think the real risk for rangers (which has been somewhat mitigated by the Europa league run but is still there) is that bringing players in and developing them is grand, but if they’re not sold at the optimum time, then the effectiveness of the strategy is negatively impacted.
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That’s the same for every club 🤣

We wouldn’t have got to Europa final without Goldson so glad we didn’t sell. Same with Kent, and he’ll likely have more suitors now too despite having a year less. So works both ways
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Oh the gamble re this season could well pay off if you make it to automatically qualify for the group stages of the champions league, but I wonder how sustainable it is long term. Also, I think it is incredibly ambitious to think that a player who has less than a year left on his contract, who has also had an additional hamstring injury, would generate more in transfer fees than he would have last summer.

Two baldy men fighting over a comb.

SFTU the lotteh yeez.

Both sets of fans are happy for once..

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
I really didn't need market value explained to me mate

However, I think there is a very good chance that we will be able to recoup the £15m net spend that we have had over the past 4 years...seeing as the market value of our squad has increased by £90m over that period

Hell if the right offer comes in, we could recoup it with one sale this summer
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😂😂 fair enough, wasnt trying to patronise re market value. I think the real risk for rangers (which has been somewhat mitigated by the Europa league run but is still there) is that bringing players in and developing them is grand, but if they’re not sold at the optimum time, then the effectiveness of the strategy is negatively impacted.
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That’s the same for every club 🤣

We wouldn’t have got to Europa final without Goldson so glad we didn’t sell. Same with Kent, and he’ll likely have more suitors now too despite having a year less. So works both ways
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Oh the gamble re this season could well pay off if you make it to automatically qualify for the group stages of the champions league, but I wonder how sustainable it is long term. Also, I think it is incredibly ambitious to think that a player who has less than a year left on his contract, who has also had an additional hamstring injury, would generate more in transfer fees than he would have last summer.
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It’s already paid off. Looked like it hadn’t when Malmo beat us. Euro run has got us same as CL would have.

Kent has played at a higher level in Europe this season. Demand is the key driver of value, demand for him will have gone up. So not ambitious at all.

<Two baldy men fighting over a comb. SFTU the lotteh yeez. Both sets of fans are happy for once..>



Still got ma first won it affa that cueball Ishmael

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
I really didn't need market value explained to me mate

However, I think there is a very good chance that we will be able to recoup the £15m net spend that we have had over the past 4 years...seeing as the market value of our squad has increased by £90m over that period

Hell if the right offer comes in, we could recoup it with one sale this summer
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😂😂 fair enough, wasnt trying to patronise re market value. I think the real risk for rangers (which has been somewhat mitigated by the Europa league run but is still there) is that bringing players in and developing them is grand, but if they’re not sold at the optimum time, then the effectiveness of the strategy is negatively impacted.
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That’s the same for every club 🤣

We wouldn’t have got to Europa final without Goldson so glad we didn’t sell. Same with Kent, and he’ll likely have more suitors now too despite having a year less. So works both ways
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Oh the gamble re this season could well pay off if you make it to automatically qualify for the group stages of the champions league, but I wonder how sustainable it is long term. Also, I think it is incredibly ambitious to think that a player who has less than a year left on his contract, who has also had an additional hamstring injury, would generate more in transfer fees than he would have last summer.
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It’s already paid off. Looked like it hadn’t when Malmo beat us. Euro run has got us same as CL would have.

Kent has played at a higher level in Europe this season. Demand is the key driver of value, demand for him will have gone up. So not ambitious at all.
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Demand is NOT the key driver of what will be paid though. See how much Mbappe goes for this summer, if he does.

A very large sum will be paid for Mbappe’s services this summer.

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (Stopping the 2) (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
Let's really look at things here then using Transfermarkt seeing as others have been quoting figures from there

In 17/18, the market value of Celtics squad was £69.7m

Since then, Celtic have spent £69m, but recouped £103m, so have made a net profit on transfers of £34m

As it stands, Celtic's squad is valued at £71.2m

So Celtic have brought in £34m, and the value of their squad has went up by about £1.5m, so in total that's a £35.5m increase in revenue/squad value

The Rangers squad in 17/18 was valued at a rather paltry £23.5m

Since then, we have spent £33m on transfer fees, and brought in about £18m, so a £15m net spend to strengthen our squad

As it stands, the market value of our current squad is a whopping £118.85m

So we've spent £15m, but our squad value has increased by over £95m.....so that's an £80m increase in squad value having spent just £15m

I'll take that thanks 👍
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That's all very well but your Chairman valued your squad at over £100m 3 years ago.
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Come on now Magnum, Transfermarkt is the source we are using here

It says our squad was worth £50m in 19/20, so it went from £23.5m in 18/19 to £50m in 19/20....and our net spend was about £17m, so £26.5m increase in squad value for £17m spent

Again....quite happy with that 👍
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I'm not using Transfermarkt.
If, however, it us accurate ( and I assume that you consider that it is) then your chairman, his fellow directors and the club were deliberately presenting incorrect information to the shareholders, customers and supporters.
Shocking stuff.

Sounds glib and shameless

comment by Magnum (Stopping the 2) (U22391)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (Stopping the 2) (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 minutes ago
Let's really look at things here then using Transfermarkt seeing as others have been quoting figures from there

In 17/18, the market value of Celtics squad was £69.7m

Since then, Celtic have spent £69m, but recouped £103m, so have made a net profit on transfers of £34m

As it stands, Celtic's squad is valued at £71.2m

So Celtic have brought in £34m, and the value of their squad has went up by about £1.5m, so in total that's a £35.5m increase in revenue/squad value

The Rangers squad in 17/18 was valued at a rather paltry £23.5m

Since then, we have spent £33m on transfer fees, and brought in about £18m, so a £15m net spend to strengthen our squad

As it stands, the market value of our current squad is a whopping £118.85m

So we've spent £15m, but our squad value has increased by over £95m.....so that's an £80m increase in squad value having spent just £15m

I'll take that thanks 👍
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That's all very well but your Chairman valued your squad at over £100m 3 years ago.
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Come on now Magnum, Transfermarkt is the source we are using here

It says our squad was worth £50m in 19/20, so it went from £23.5m in 18/19 to £50m in 19/20....and our net spend was about £17m, so £26.5m increase in squad value for £17m spent

Again....quite happy with that 👍
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I'm not using Transfermarkt.
If, however, it us accurate ( and I assume that you consider that it is) then your chairman, his fellow directors and the club were deliberately presenting incorrect information to the shareholders, customers and supporters.
Shocking stuff.
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Quick, quick……need to deflect onto something else here…..cmon quick, think

Nae bother mate….whatever keeps you up at night

<Sounds glib and shameless >

No heard that for well on a year


Still troo tho.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
A very large sum will be paid for Mbappe’s services this summer.
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Not to PSG though.

comment by Zico 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (U21900)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Two baldy men fighting over a comb.

SFTU the lotteh yeez.

Both sets of fans are happy for once..
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👍🍀🤣

comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago

<Two baldy men fighting over a comb. SFTU the lotteh yeez. Both sets of fans are happy for once..>



Still got ma first won it affa that cueball Ishmael





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Howdy partner🤠

How long ago since Ishy posted, do you think?

Back in the CG, DC76, Dos and Camus period 👍

You, me and Ath were in shorts back then 🤔

Fvk me thought you were Ishy for a mo