Ancelotti just oozes charisma. He seems so laid back and relaxed and has always had that vibe about him. A guy that drinks the finest wines that complement his choice of cigarettes. Enigmatic because he's permanently chilled unlike so many others in his profession. It is hard to pinpoint his technical style but it's clear he's the perfect man manager. A man of few words in post interviews because he knows it's not needed, especially when the finest claret and a cigarette is waiting for him.
Greatest European Manager Ever and won every League Title he's been involved with.
A Truely Elite Manager.
Cool as F@ck.
He's got that evil eye....brow ! cool>
I was underwhelmed by Carlo as a tactian when he was at Chelsea. In particular I blame him for our loss to Man U in the CL.
And this current RM team doesn't knock my socks off either. But he does get his players to put in a shift. RM defended brilliantly last night and did the same against Chelsea. There is nothing memorable about them though.
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
He's got that evil eye....brow ! cool>
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Hi Harl. I imagine it's been a bit of a tough CL edition with the locals down your way.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
I was underwhelmed by Carlo as a tactian when he was at Chelsea. In particular I blame him for our loss to Man U in the CL.
And this current RM team doesn't knock my socks off either. But he does get his players to put in a shift. RM defended brilliantly last night and did the same against Chelsea. There is nothing memorable about them though.
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Yep same. It's not that he's bad & he certainly doesn't overthink tactics, the switch to 433 won us the title in 2010 pretty much, but he doesn't actively impact enough games tactically. He's more about "what can we do?" rather than "how do we stop them?" when the perfect tactician needs the balance between both.
And it's almost all his teams. His AC Milan possibly the exception as playing deliberately narrow systems to placate old, savvy players, and create a midfield wall of protection for Kaka was very smart/creative. But the rest? I dunno. Something's just off
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comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
He's got that evil eye....brow ! cool>
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Hi Harl. I imagine it's been a bit of a tough CL edition with the locals down your way.
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IOAG, I have to say, that the guys in Paco's Bar have been great, they must have felt for me after the RM game 'cos they made sure that I had an excess of cervezas in front of me, so I didn't feel too bad at the end of the evening !
Ancelloti is by a countrymile the best manager of the 21st century.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ancelloti is by a countrymile the best manager of the 21st century.
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Nah Pep is better.
I'm no formations boffin, but one thing Carlo (and Zidane for that matter, albeit with far less experience) both do is have a game plan that is intended by design to cover different phases over the course of 90 minutes, and beyond if necessary.
They may not looked like a thoroughly drilled, well-oiled machine, but it looked to me like every player had a clearly assigned role and had no real doubt as to what he was supposed to be doing in any given situation or phase of the game.
Both yesterday, as in the games against City and the Bernabéu game against Chelsea, and as was made painfully obvious in last year's semifinal matches against you lot, the single most obvious aspect was that Madrid are not physically equipped to go toe-to-toe with any of the top Premier League sides.
Accordingly, the idea was to preserve as much energy as possible early on in the game, and hope to keep it tight for as long as they could. Withstanding the early opposition onslaught was an essential part of levelling the playing field by getting to a point where Kroos and Modric might be able to play on an equal footing with the opposing midfield. Deploying the heavy-duty Valverde as a false 7, rather than the more natural options or Rodrygo or Asensio, was clearly a part of the same plan.
It wasn't pretty, but I think Ancelotti made the absolute most of what he had at his disposal.
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
He's got that evil eye....brow ! cool>
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Hi Harl. I imagine it's been a bit of a tough CL edition with the locals down your way.
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IOAG, I have to say, that the guys in Paco's Bar have been great, they must have felt for me after the RM game 'cos they made sure that I had an excess of cervezas in front of me, so I didn't feel too bad at the end of the evening !
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Haha, lovely to hear that. I suppose you were wise enough not to give it too large when you went 3-0 up at the Bernabéu.
@Devil - that's very generous of you towards Courtois. Last night's performance was a game for the ages. From time to time you get to see a match where a goalkeeper seems completely unbeatable, but I don't remember seeing anything quite like that in a CL final.
Completely agree devil. We lost every big game in ancelottis second season with us and since then I’ve never been able to shake the impression that he’s on at jose, pep levels. But pleased for him none the less
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 34 minutes ago
Ancelloti is by a countrymile the best manager of the 21st century.
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So there you have it - the curtains certain to come down on his career now!
I always thought of Ancelotti as the best player's manager. He's ideal if you have a great set of players who don't need a lot of coaching or instructions on how to play football, they just need common sense and confidence in what they're doing.
Like at Everton, he's not going to take an average bunch of players and drill them into something much better like a Klopp or Conte, he's not going to reinvent the game like Pep. But he's the best in the world at what he does. He's the Italian SAF. IMO.
Bale. That looks a good summary mate
I agree. He’s the greatest ever non-great manager if that makes sense. He’s won 4 CL’s as a manager and all 5 big leagues.
He’s also never defended a league or won 2 at the same club though.
That's a good way of putting it Bales. There's a lot of common sense thinking in his tactics, players rarely get shoehorned into positions they can't play, etc... and his way of thinking is very K.I.S.S - e.g. in his 2nd season with us I remember him going to 442 during a very bad run of form, the theory being go back to basics. But it seems too lack a bit of complexity compared to the great tacticians.
It's really hard to define in a single statement, but the best way I can think to put it is he might be the most reliable manager in the world in terms of what to expect. You won't exceed your ceiling, but keeps everyone happy & doesn't do dumb sh!t
he has the magic touch for superstar teams. I don't know if he is a builder and I dont know if he can grind with a lower-talent squad, but he has the eye for making team adjustments in big matches
Ancelotti's managerial record of winning the title in the five biggest leagues in Europe as well as winning the CL four times and counting is special and puts him among the greats. It could have been five CL's if Liverpool hadn't made that unlikeliest of comebacks in the 2005 CL Final.
Can you pick holes in his managerial record? Of course. Is he suited to managing lesser teams? No. Is he a great tactician? No, but I think his tactical nous is being slightly underestimated on here as you don't beat Tuchel, Pep and Klopp in a row without good tactical understanding.
At the end of the day though you cannot win four (so nearly five) Champions League titles with two different teams and not be considered one of the greats. That's as many CL's as Fergie and Jose put together and Carlo still might have another one to come.
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posted on 29/5/22
Ancelotti just oozes charisma. He seems so laid back and relaxed and has always had that vibe about him. A guy that drinks the finest wines that complement his choice of cigarettes. Enigmatic because he's permanently chilled unlike so many others in his profession. It is hard to pinpoint his technical style but it's clear he's the perfect man manager. A man of few words in post interviews because he knows it's not needed, especially when the finest claret and a cigarette is waiting for him.
Greatest European Manager Ever and won every League Title he's been involved with.
A Truely Elite Manager.
Cool as F@ck.
posted on 29/5/22
He's got that evil eye....brow ! cool>
posted on 29/5/22
I was underwhelmed by Carlo as a tactian when he was at Chelsea. In particular I blame him for our loss to Man U in the CL.
And this current RM team doesn't knock my socks off either. But he does get his players to put in a shift. RM defended brilliantly last night and did the same against Chelsea. There is nothing memorable about them though.
posted on 29/5/22
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
He's got that evil eye....brow ! cool>
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Hi Harl. I imagine it's been a bit of a tough CL edition with the locals down your way.
posted on 29/5/22
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 minutes ago
I was underwhelmed by Carlo as a tactian when he was at Chelsea. In particular I blame him for our loss to Man U in the CL.
And this current RM team doesn't knock my socks off either. But he does get his players to put in a shift. RM defended brilliantly last night and did the same against Chelsea. There is nothing memorable about them though.
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Yep same. It's not that he's bad & he certainly doesn't overthink tactics, the switch to 433 won us the title in 2010 pretty much, but he doesn't actively impact enough games tactically. He's more about "what can we do?" rather than "how do we stop them?" when the perfect tactician needs the balance between both.
And it's almost all his teams. His AC Milan possibly the exception as playing deliberately narrow systems to placate old, savvy players, and create a midfield wall of protection for Kaka was very smart/creative. But the rest? I dunno. Something's just off
posted on 29/5/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
He's got that evil eye....brow ! cool>
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Hi Harl. I imagine it's been a bit of a tough CL edition with the locals down your way.
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IOAG, I have to say, that the guys in Paco's Bar have been great, they must have felt for me after the RM game 'cos they made sure that I had an excess of cervezas in front of me, so I didn't feel too bad at the end of the evening !
posted on 29/5/22
Ancelloti is by a countrymile the best manager of the 21st century.
posted on 29/5/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ancelloti is by a countrymile the best manager of the 21st century.
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Nah Pep is better.
posted on 29/5/22
I'm no formations boffin, but one thing Carlo (and Zidane for that matter, albeit with far less experience) both do is have a game plan that is intended by design to cover different phases over the course of 90 minutes, and beyond if necessary.
They may not looked like a thoroughly drilled, well-oiled machine, but it looked to me like every player had a clearly assigned role and had no real doubt as to what he was supposed to be doing in any given situation or phase of the game.
Both yesterday, as in the games against City and the Bernabéu game against Chelsea, and as was made painfully obvious in last year's semifinal matches against you lot, the single most obvious aspect was that Madrid are not physically equipped to go toe-to-toe with any of the top Premier League sides.
Accordingly, the idea was to preserve as much energy as possible early on in the game, and hope to keep it tight for as long as they could. Withstanding the early opposition onslaught was an essential part of levelling the playing field by getting to a point where Kroos and Modric might be able to play on an equal footing with the opposing midfield. Deploying the heavy-duty Valverde as a false 7, rather than the more natural options or Rodrygo or Asensio, was clearly a part of the same plan.
It wasn't pretty, but I think Ancelotti made the absolute most of what he had at his disposal.
posted on 29/5/22
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
He's got that evil eye....brow ! cool>
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Hi Harl. I imagine it's been a bit of a tough CL edition with the locals down your way.
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IOAG, I have to say, that the guys in Paco's Bar have been great, they must have felt for me after the RM game 'cos they made sure that I had an excess of cervezas in front of me, so I didn't feel too bad at the end of the evening !
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Haha, lovely to hear that. I suppose you were wise enough not to give it too large when you went 3-0 up at the Bernabéu.
@Devil - that's very generous of you towards Courtois. Last night's performance was a game for the ages. From time to time you get to see a match where a goalkeeper seems completely unbeatable, but I don't remember seeing anything quite like that in a CL final.
posted on 29/5/22
Completely agree devil. We lost every big game in ancelottis second season with us and since then I’ve never been able to shake the impression that he’s on at jose, pep levels. But pleased for him none the less
posted on 29/5/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 34 minutes ago
Ancelloti is by a countrymile the best manager of the 21st century.
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So there you have it - the curtains certain to come down on his career now!
posted on 29/5/22
I always thought of Ancelotti as the best player's manager. He's ideal if you have a great set of players who don't need a lot of coaching or instructions on how to play football, they just need common sense and confidence in what they're doing.
Like at Everton, he's not going to take an average bunch of players and drill them into something much better like a Klopp or Conte, he's not going to reinvent the game like Pep. But he's the best in the world at what he does. He's the Italian SAF. IMO.
posted on 29/5/22
Bale. That looks a good summary mate
posted on 29/5/22
I agree. He’s the greatest ever non-great manager if that makes sense. He’s won 4 CL’s as a manager and all 5 big leagues.
He’s also never defended a league or won 2 at the same club though.
posted on 29/5/22
That's a good way of putting it Bales. There's a lot of common sense thinking in his tactics, players rarely get shoehorned into positions they can't play, etc... and his way of thinking is very K.I.S.S - e.g. in his 2nd season with us I remember him going to 442 during a very bad run of form, the theory being go back to basics. But it seems too lack a bit of complexity compared to the great tacticians.
It's really hard to define in a single statement, but the best way I can think to put it is he might be the most reliable manager in the world in terms of what to expect. You won't exceed your ceiling, but keeps everyone happy & doesn't do dumb sh!t
posted on 31/5/22
he has the magic touch for superstar teams. I don't know if he is a builder and I dont know if he can grind with a lower-talent squad, but he has the eye for making team adjustments in big matches
posted on 31/5/22
Ancelotti's managerial record of winning the title in the five biggest leagues in Europe as well as winning the CL four times and counting is special and puts him among the greats. It could have been five CL's if Liverpool hadn't made that unlikeliest of comebacks in the 2005 CL Final.
Can you pick holes in his managerial record? Of course. Is he suited to managing lesser teams? No. Is he a great tactician? No, but I think his tactical nous is being slightly underestimated on here as you don't beat Tuchel, Pep and Klopp in a row without good tactical understanding.
At the end of the day though you cannot win four (so nearly five) Champions League titles with two different teams and not be considered one of the greats. That's as many CL's as Fergie and Jose put together and Carlo still might have another one to come.
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