I have always stood up for myself. Never been in a union all of my life. Relied on my own abilities and was good enough to not have to go crying to a union rep.
It stunned me how better off workers here in Oz have it compared to what I was used to in the UK. In addition to paid holiday we acrue 10 days a year of ‘personal leave’ which is basically paid sick days. And as of this week there is paid ‘domestic violence’ leave which is a huge step forward for people in that situation.
It saddens me to see the Tories making life harder for people in the workplace instead of heading towards better working conditions.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
The UK has some of the most restrictive, anti-union laws of any democratic country. The threshold for participation levels in a vote to strike is set very high. A vote to strike therefore indicates a situation where the unionised workforce is highly motivated to participate in the ballot, and a clear majority in favour of taking action. Let's remember that withholding their labour also means going without their salary. It's hard to imagine this being done for frivolous reasons, nor credible to imagine workers being induced to strike against their wishes or interests by pampered union bosses. Let's also remember that we have a modern phenomenon of in-work poverty: wages have badly lagged behind the cost of living, and public sector wages in particular since the austerity policies brought in by the Cameron government.
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UK also has the worst productivity amongst comparable nations.
When I travel my unscientific observations abroad note bins being emptied diligently, tradesmen working hard, shop workers looking interested, lanes coned off generally having real work being done. All too typically here are guys in vans reading The Sun, swathes of roads coned off for months with no progress, queues at checkouts and the roads don't get swept., which blocks the drains, which burst the road that gets coned off for months...
As I said, unscientific but hey.
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Also unscientific but having worked abroad for the majority of my adult life, UK workers are known as some of the hardest working.
Things like bins not being collected or being collected also come down to budgets of which the UK under the Tories usually are way too low or designed to syphon as much tax payer money as possible to company directors with the crumbs only trickling down to the people actually doing the work...
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 9 minutes ago
Unions had their purpose once.
If you are not man enough to let your employer walk all over you then you are not man enough.
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How do you channel your manliness with your employer? By bursting into the board room and growling? Or stating your worth and threatening to leave for another employer? (That is, be prepared to withhold labour, like a unionised worker.)
And how do you apply this principle to large organisations such as the NHS and the railways, where salaries are not based on individual negotiations but blanket pay grades?
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My other half is an employment lawyer and some of the stories of manly men trying to stick it to their employer to no avail are quite amusing.
The latest cracker is a gentleman who has been on long term sick and requesting overtime pay.
I am all for reduced budgets for educating kids in schools and putting that money into educating retired folk, eh folks?
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 13 seconds ago
I have always stood up for myself. Never been in a union all of my life. Relied on my own abilities and was good enough to not have to go crying to a union rep.
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At this point I strongly suspect you’re a parody account. Or Alf Garnett has Quantum Leaped into your body and Ziggy says there’s a 98% chance you’re here to make Godocwatson look stupid.
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 7 seconds ago
It stunned me how better off workers here in Oz have it compared to what I was used to in the UK. In addition to paid holiday we acrue 10 days a year of ‘personal leave’ which is basically paid sick days. And as of this week there is paid ‘domestic violence’ leave which is a huge step forward for people in that situation.
It saddens me to see the Tories making life harder for people in the workplace instead of heading towards better working conditions.
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There are paid sick days in the UK. Wimpy paid 6 months full pay, 6 months half pay. Plus 5 weeks paid holiday.
I get 13 weeks sick pay if needed.
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have always stood up for myself. Never been in a union all of my life. Relied on my own abilities and was good enough to not have to go crying to a union rep.
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You’re making yourself look a bit of a diick
This standing up for yourself is bullshiit, if the the company you work for stay within the laws there’s nothing you can do! Whether you’re a tough guy like yourself or a member of a union
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 51 seconds ago
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
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I suppose it depends on your employer (though that is a guess). I get 6 months full pay, then 6 months half pay, along with a return to work policy where you are eased back.
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
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I always got paid. And when an employer paid my staff off I'll.
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 51 seconds ago
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
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I suppose it depends on your employer (though that is a guess). I get 6 months full pay, then 6 months half pay, along with a return to work policy where you are eased back.
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And I get paid fully if I’m off sick for a day or two as well.
Fair enough, I must have always worked for cuuuuunts in the UK 😅
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 16 seconds ago
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
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What industry was it Robb? In the UK you get statutory sick pay after being off for 3 days or more. Although probably most companies offer a better package than this.
The UK's employment rights are okay, much better than in the US in terms of holiday/sick leave allowance for example. But the statutory sick pay falls behind other countries (e.g., Germany), and the culture of paternity leave is still behind many European countries.
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 13 seconds ago
I have always stood up for myself. Never been in a union all of my life. Relied on my own abilities and was good enough to not have to go crying to a union rep.
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At this point I strongly suspect you’re a parody account. Or Alf Garnett has Quantum Leaped into your body and Ziggy says there’s a 98% chance you’re here to make Godocwatson look stupid.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
The UK has some of the most restrictive, anti-union laws of any democratic country. The threshold for participation levels in a vote to strike is set very high. A vote to strike therefore indicates a situation where the unionised workforce is highly motivated to participate in the ballot, and a clear majority in favour of taking action. Let's remember that withholding their labour also means going without their salary. It's hard to imagine this being done for frivolous reasons, nor credible to imagine workers being induced to strike against their wishes or interests by pampered union bosses. Let's also remember that we have a modern phenomenon of in-work poverty: wages have badly lagged behind the cost of living, and public sector wages in particular since the austerity policies brought in by the Cameron government.
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UK also has the worst productivity amongst comparable nations.
When I travel my unscientific observations abroad note bins being emptied diligently, tradesmen working hard, shop workers looking interested, lanes coned off generally having real work being done. All too typically here are guys in vans reading The Sun, swathes of roads coned off for months with no progress, queues at checkouts and the roads don't get swept., which blocks the drains, which burst the road that gets coned off for months...
As I said, unscientific but hey.
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Almost as if relatively low wages and poor employment rights and conditions aren't conducive to high productivity and employee engagement.
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
I was off sick for a month with a rare condition called Morosi and my employers actually asked me for money to stay off sick and remain at their company. Horrendous the way they treated me
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 12 seconds ago
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
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Such a shame it wasn’t thrown right back at you
comment by Patrizio Billio (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
I was off sick for a month with a rare condition called Morosi and my employers actually asked me for money to stay off sick and remain at their company. Horrendous the way they treated me
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Ffs doesn't even show up on Google. See delusional exaggeration disorder
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 38 seconds ago
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
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Failing to see how this is relevant to your op on workers on strike.
And there’s nothing particularly impressive about fighting off muggers in many countries. Seems that you didn’t learn from your mistakes.
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 38 seconds ago
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
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Failing to see how this is relevant to your op on workers on strike.
And there’s nothing particularly impressive about fighting off muggers in many countries. Seems that you didn’t learn from your mistakes.
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Here's me thinking Uncle Albert was dead!
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Patrizio Billio (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 34 seconds ago
Unions had their purpose once.
If you are not man enough to let your employer walk all over you then you are not man enough.
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Stop accidentally doing my job for me, please
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comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 13 minutes ago
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
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posted on 31/1/23
I have always stood up for myself. Never been in a union all of my life. Relied on my own abilities and was good enough to not have to go crying to a union rep.
posted on 31/1/23
It stunned me how better off workers here in Oz have it compared to what I was used to in the UK. In addition to paid holiday we acrue 10 days a year of ‘personal leave’ which is basically paid sick days. And as of this week there is paid ‘domestic violence’ leave which is a huge step forward for people in that situation.
It saddens me to see the Tories making life harder for people in the workplace instead of heading towards better working conditions.
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
The UK has some of the most restrictive, anti-union laws of any democratic country. The threshold for participation levels in a vote to strike is set very high. A vote to strike therefore indicates a situation where the unionised workforce is highly motivated to participate in the ballot, and a clear majority in favour of taking action. Let's remember that withholding their labour also means going without their salary. It's hard to imagine this being done for frivolous reasons, nor credible to imagine workers being induced to strike against their wishes or interests by pampered union bosses. Let's also remember that we have a modern phenomenon of in-work poverty: wages have badly lagged behind the cost of living, and public sector wages in particular since the austerity policies brought in by the Cameron government.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
UK also has the worst productivity amongst comparable nations.
When I travel my unscientific observations abroad note bins being emptied diligently, tradesmen working hard, shop workers looking interested, lanes coned off generally having real work being done. All too typically here are guys in vans reading The Sun, swathes of roads coned off for months with no progress, queues at checkouts and the roads don't get swept., which blocks the drains, which burst the road that gets coned off for months...
As I said, unscientific but hey.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also unscientific but having worked abroad for the majority of my adult life, UK workers are known as some of the hardest working.
Things like bins not being collected or being collected also come down to budgets of which the UK under the Tories usually are way too low or designed to syphon as much tax payer money as possible to company directors with the crumbs only trickling down to the people actually doing the work...
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 9 minutes ago
Unions had their purpose once.
If you are not man enough to let your employer walk all over you then you are not man enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you channel your manliness with your employer? By bursting into the board room and growling? Or stating your worth and threatening to leave for another employer? (That is, be prepared to withhold labour, like a unionised worker.)
And how do you apply this principle to large organisations such as the NHS and the railways, where salaries are not based on individual negotiations but blanket pay grades?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My other half is an employment lawyer and some of the stories of manly men trying to stick it to their employer to no avail are quite amusing.
The latest cracker is a gentleman who has been on long term sick and requesting overtime pay.
posted on 31/1/23
I am all for reduced budgets for educating kids in schools and putting that money into educating retired folk, eh folks?
posted on 31/1/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 13 seconds ago
I have always stood up for myself. Never been in a union all of my life. Relied on my own abilities and was good enough to not have to go crying to a union rep.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At this point I strongly suspect you’re a parody account. Or Alf Garnett has Quantum Leaped into your body and Ziggy says there’s a 98% chance you’re here to make Godocwatson look stupid.
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 7 seconds ago
It stunned me how better off workers here in Oz have it compared to what I was used to in the UK. In addition to paid holiday we acrue 10 days a year of ‘personal leave’ which is basically paid sick days. And as of this week there is paid ‘domestic violence’ leave which is a huge step forward for people in that situation.
It saddens me to see the Tories making life harder for people in the workplace instead of heading towards better working conditions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are paid sick days in the UK. Wimpy paid 6 months full pay, 6 months half pay. Plus 5 weeks paid holiday.
posted on 31/1/23
I get 13 weeks sick pay if needed.
posted on 31/1/23
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
posted on 31/1/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have always stood up for myself. Never been in a union all of my life. Relied on my own abilities and was good enough to not have to go crying to a union rep.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re making yourself look a bit of a diick
This standing up for yourself is bullshiit, if the the company you work for stay within the laws there’s nothing you can do! Whether you’re a tough guy like yourself or a member of a union
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 51 seconds ago
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
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I suppose it depends on your employer (though that is a guess). I get 6 months full pay, then 6 months half pay, along with a return to work policy where you are eased back.
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
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I always got paid. And when an employer paid my staff off I'll.
posted on 31/1/23
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 51 seconds ago
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
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I suppose it depends on your employer (though that is a guess). I get 6 months full pay, then 6 months half pay, along with a return to work policy where you are eased back.
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And I get paid fully if I’m off sick for a day or two as well.
posted on 31/1/23
Fair enough, I must have always worked for cuuuuunts in the UK 😅
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 16 seconds ago
But if you just take a sick day in the UK do you get that fully paid? I always had to take it unpaid.
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What industry was it Robb? In the UK you get statutory sick pay after being off for 3 days or more. Although probably most companies offer a better package than this.
The UK's employment rights are okay, much better than in the US in terms of holiday/sick leave allowance for example. But the statutory sick pay falls behind other countries (e.g., Germany), and the culture of paternity leave is still behind many European countries.
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 13 seconds ago
I have always stood up for myself. Never been in a union all of my life. Relied on my own abilities and was good enough to not have to go crying to a union rep.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At this point I strongly suspect you’re a parody account. Or Alf Garnett has Quantum Leaped into your body and Ziggy says there’s a 98% chance you’re here to make Godocwatson look stupid.
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posted on 31/1/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
The UK has some of the most restrictive, anti-union laws of any democratic country. The threshold for participation levels in a vote to strike is set very high. A vote to strike therefore indicates a situation where the unionised workforce is highly motivated to participate in the ballot, and a clear majority in favour of taking action. Let's remember that withholding their labour also means going without their salary. It's hard to imagine this being done for frivolous reasons, nor credible to imagine workers being induced to strike against their wishes or interests by pampered union bosses. Let's also remember that we have a modern phenomenon of in-work poverty: wages have badly lagged behind the cost of living, and public sector wages in particular since the austerity policies brought in by the Cameron government.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
UK also has the worst productivity amongst comparable nations.
When I travel my unscientific observations abroad note bins being emptied diligently, tradesmen working hard, shop workers looking interested, lanes coned off generally having real work being done. All too typically here are guys in vans reading The Sun, swathes of roads coned off for months with no progress, queues at checkouts and the roads don't get swept., which blocks the drains, which burst the road that gets coned off for months...
As I said, unscientific but hey.
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Almost as if relatively low wages and poor employment rights and conditions aren't conducive to high productivity and employee engagement.
posted on 31/1/23
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
posted on 31/1/23
I was off sick for a month with a rare condition called Morosi and my employers actually asked me for money to stay off sick and remain at their company. Horrendous the way they treated me
posted on 31/1/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 12 seconds ago
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
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Such a shame it wasn’t thrown right back at you
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Patrizio Billio (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
I was off sick for a month with a rare condition called Morosi and my employers actually asked me for money to stay off sick and remain at their company. Horrendous the way they treated me
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Ffs doesn't even show up on Google. See delusional exaggeration disorder
posted on 31/1/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 38 seconds ago
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
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Failing to see how this is relevant to your op on workers on strike.
And there’s nothing particularly impressive about fighting off muggers in many countries. Seems that you didn’t learn from your mistakes.
posted on 31/1/23
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 38 seconds ago
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
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Failing to see how this is relevant to your op on workers on strike.
And there’s nothing particularly impressive about fighting off muggers in many countries. Seems that you didn’t learn from your mistakes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's me thinking Uncle Albert was dead!
posted on 31/1/23
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Patrizio Billio (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 34 seconds ago
Unions had their purpose once.
If you are not man enough to let your employer walk all over you then you are not man enough.
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Stop accidentally doing my job for me, please
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posted on 31/1/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 13 minutes ago
11 years in Merchant Navy. Sailed the world. Fought off muggers in many countries. I had a 6 inch Solingen steel deer-antler handled knife. I could throw it and hit a 6 inch target from 20 feet which was fun but not practical. It is only any use when it is in your hand.
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Does anyone even know what's happening at this point in the thread?
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