comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
5 wins in 17 for potter. I think 2 in the league.

compared to 8 wins for tuchel in his last 17 (with all the injuries, no investment and sanctions).

Lampard 7 wins in his last 17.

It's damning stuff.
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Both had much longer in the job than Potter though.
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my point is, the above was enough to get the sacked. Potter has had a worse start...what will the end be like? We have spurs leeds and dortmund next. So I can see it being 5 in 20

This problem seems to be exaggerated when you have a tactical manager and not a mainly motivate the players manager.
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Not seen any evidence that Potter is a tactical manager, certainly not in regards to in-game management. Seems like a trainer/club builder with a soft man management style to me.

Tuchel was a tactical manager.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
5 wins in 17 for potter. I think 2 in the league.

compared to 8 wins for tuchel in his last 17 (with all the injuries, no investment and sanctions).

Lampard 7 wins in his last 17.

It's damning stuff.
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Both had much longer in the job than Potter though.
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my point is, the above was enough to get the sacked. Potter has had a worse start...what will the end be like? We have spurs leeds and dortmund next. So I can see it being 5 in 20
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again you cant compare two situations that are not comparable.

The only way you can truly judge him IMO is next year.

I dont think the teams current form see's him get the chance to prove it however and if the results remain the way they are there is no chance he will get the chance.

*more chances than a game of Monopoly ffs !

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 minutes ago
This problem seems to be exaggerated when you have a tactical manager and not a mainly motivate the players manager.
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Not seen any evidence that Potter is a tactical manager, certainly not in regards to in-game management. Seems like a trainer/club builder with a soft man management style to me.

Tuchel was a tactical manager.
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spot on. Even at brighton was he tactical? They played nice open football but was also leaky at the back

Personally I think just about any manager struggles in charge of us this season with all the injuries and huge changes in player personell. Not to mention the lack of goalscorers we've had to endure with.

That's not to say that I think Potter is the right guy but things couldn't be more unsettled this season for any manager to control. As I've said before I think 2004 Special One Mourinho would have struggled in charge of us this season.

The weird thing is I had no expectations due to that turbulence...and potter has still underwhelmed.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
Personally I think just about any manager struggles in charge of us this season with all the injuries and huge changes in player personell. Not to mention the lack of goalscorers we've had to endure with.

That's not to say that I think Potter is the right guy but things couldn't be more unsettled this season for any manager to control. As I've said before I think 2004 Special One Mourinho would have struggled in charge of us this season.
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in a way it makes sense, he comes in during a transition period, isnt too hard to get rid off and other managers will not look at the job and say well if Potter couldnt get a tune out of them how can I.

If it was ancelotti in charge and the same was happening a lot of managers would then think i aint touching that job. my opnion anyway

I have read all the posts and understand remarks from everyone about Potter , but there is something nobody has mentioned, we are actually one of the best teams defensive wise.
Remember what Mourinho said, you build a side from defence first.
potter has made mistakes, exactly same as every manager in the prem.
We cant carry on sacking after sacking.
We have nothing to lose this season, let Potter have the time. This is completely new to us a manager being given time and I think its come as a shock to us all. But Boehly and board are trying something new, lets not condemn them for that.
Just run with it and lets see next season what happens when he's had a full preseason, no world cups etc to deal with
Its different lets try it. And please no more about Mourinho coming back, he's in our past and our hearts for ever for everything he did, but its time to move on from that.
Give Potter time and if it dont work out then ok, we tried something and it did not work.
This board are backing us all the way and we should back them. I actually feel sorry for them, if they sack Potter its knee jerk , if we don't its stupid.
They cannot win unless he turns it around completely .
It has been done on many many occasions, and by Managers still at prem sides now.
Run with it and give it a chance.

"one of the best teams defensive wise"

I'm not sure that's the case tbh bridge. We have had thiago silva and kepa in inspired form.
Teams are still finding it easy to get at our back four and we're getting away with it to be honest. Dormund looked dangerous every time they broke on us, as did southampton.

Badiashile looks brilliant but as a team we are still off it defensively and have no control on games imo.

Also for the people saying "we have nothing to lose this season"

A.) do you go to games? I do and it's torture
B.)Who's to say this is confined to this season, i'd rather get in a competent manager who can build something.

"if they sack Potter its knee jerk" - It is certainly not

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
Personally I think just about any manager struggles in charge of us this season with all the injuries and huge changes in player personell. Not to mention the lack of goalscorers we've had to endure with.

That's not to say that I think Potter is the right guy but things couldn't be more unsettled this season for any manager to control. As I've said before I think 2004 Special One Mourinho would have struggled in charge of us this season.
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in a way it makes sense, he comes in during a transition period, isnt too hard to get rid off and other managers will not look at the job and say well if Potter couldnt get a tune out of them how can I.

If it was ancelotti in charge and the same was happening a lot of managers would then think i aint touching that job. my opnion anyway
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So we hire a lesser known manager because it will make the job look more attractive to a big name manager when we could just as easily have hired a big name manager in the first place anyway ?

Nah Potter was hired because they wanted him and liked his profile. They wouldn't have given him such a long contract otherwise.

Spurs fan here so I'm looking at this totally objectively but if Boehly sacks Potter now, it'll confirm to me that the man doesn't have the first clue about how a club should operate.

Firstly, he's had no time on the training ground with the lads really. It's just play, recover, play recover.

Secondly, he's had to try and bed in an unprecedented amount of players into the team. You've got a 30+ squad of full internationals that all want to play. It's just impossible to keep them all happy.

Boehly has bought a lot of young players in for big, big money. Superstars, but still young and they're going to make mistakes. Imagine trying to set a playing style whilst maintaining results with a revolving door of players going on in the background. It's THE impossible job. If he pulls the trigger now, it's confirmation he's clueless. If he commits and allows Potter at least a pre-season to set his way of playing through the squad, I've absolutely no doubts that he could have Chelsea pulling a Man City and dominating. Remember, it took Pep over a year to implement his way of playing and they were just as inconsistent as you are now.

Honestly, if you offered me as a Spurs fan, a manager swap, I'd snap your hands off. Potter is the one I wanted at Spurs. He's everything Conte isn't. Trust the process. It will work out. He just needs time but something tells me he isn't going to get it.

the arteta comparison is a pretty apt one - arsenal looked like they were gonna be in a relegation scrap one Christmas, they were truly awful for a long time.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 27 minutes ago
Spurs fan here so I'm looking at this totally objectively but if Boehly sacks Potter now, it'll confirm to me that the man doesn't have the first clue about how a club should operate.

Firstly, he's had no time on the training ground with the lads really. It's just play, recover, play recover. - he's had loads of time, especially during a world cup break. He had loads with certain players getting match fitness and who were not at the world cup.

Secondly, he's had to try and bed in an unprecedented amount of players into the team. You've got a 30+ squad of full internationals that all want to play. It's just impossible to keep them all happy. - They all seem to be pretty happy. he is playing the same faces though and has shown no flexibility or management in game. Nottingham forest are doing better with supposedly worse player.

Boehly has bought a lot of young players in for big, big money. Superstars, but still young and they're going to make mistakes. Imagine trying to set a playing style whilst maintaining results with a revolving door of players going on in the background. It's THE impossible job. If he pulls the trigger now, it's confirmation he's clueless. If he commits and allows Potter at least a pre-season to set his way of playing through the squad, I've absolutely no doubts that he could have Chelsea pulling a Man City and dominating. Remember, it took Pep over a year to implement his way of playing and they were just as inconsistent as you are now.

Honestly, if you offered me as a Spurs fan, a manager swap, I'd snap your hands off. Potter is the one I wanted at Spurs. He's everything Conte isn't. Trust the process. It will work out. He just needs time but something tells me he isn't going to get it.
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Answered your first two points.

Then I saw stuff such as potter doing a man city and dominating and saying its an impossible job to maintain results whilst trying to set a playing style...he hasn't done either.

We play worse than under tuchel at the end and our results are the worst of any manager in 27 years.

trust the process with no reason to do that.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
Personally I think just about any manager struggles in charge of us this season with all the injuries and huge changes in player personell. Not to mention the lack of goalscorers we've had to endure with.

That's not to say that I think Potter is the right guy but things couldn't be more unsettled this season for any manager to control. As I've said before I think 2004 Special One Mourinho would have struggled in charge of us this season.
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in a way it makes sense, he comes in during a transition period, isnt too hard to get rid off and other managers will not look at the job and say well if Potter couldnt get a tune out of them how can I.

If it was ancelotti in charge and the same was happening a lot of managers would then think i aint touching that job. my opnion anyway
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So we hire a lesser known manager because it will make the job look more attractive to a big name manager when we could just as easily have hired a big name manager in the first place anyway ?

Nah Potter was hired because they wanted him and liked his profile. They wouldn't have given him such a long contract otherwise.
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not so much that , but in a time of transition its maybe the more sensible time to take a punt.

I bigger name is easier to convince to join when you have a more stable squad and team behind the scenes to work with. Its less of a gamble for them.

what is this transition talk though? We are world champions, were in europe and have spent millions.

I know money doesn't always translate to immediate success but this is no process or transition. We have spent like we mean business.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 seconds ago
what is this transition talk though? We are world champions, were in europe and have spent millions.

I know money doesn't always translate to immediate success but this is no process or transition. We have spent like we mean business.
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new owners, new board and a huge spending spree en route that ended up being 16 new first team players join.

if thats not a transition then I dont know what is.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 27 minutes ago
Spurs fan here so I'm looking at this totally objectively but if Boehly sacks Potter now, it'll confirm to me that the man doesn't have the first clue about how a club should operate.

Firstly, he's had no time on the training ground with the lads really. It's just play, recover, play recover. - he's had loads of time, especially during a world cup break. He had loads with certain players getting match fitness and who were not at the world cup.

Secondly, he's had to try and bed in an unprecedented amount of players into the team. You've got a 30+ squad of full internationals that all want to play. It's just impossible to keep them all happy. - They all seem to be pretty happy. he is playing the same faces though and has shown no flexibility or management in game. Nottingham forest are doing better with supposedly worse player.

Boehly has bought a lot of young players in for big, big money. Superstars, but still young and they're going to make mistakes. Imagine trying to set a playing style whilst maintaining results with a revolving door of players going on in the background. It's THE impossible job. If he pulls the trigger now, it's confirmation he's clueless. If he commits and allows Potter at least a pre-season to set his way of playing through the squad, I've absolutely no doubts that he could have Chelsea pulling a Man City and dominating. Remember, it took Pep over a year to implement his way of playing and they were just as inconsistent as you are now.

Honestly, if you offered me as a Spurs fan, a manager swap, I'd snap your hands off. Potter is the one I wanted at Spurs. He's everything Conte isn't. Trust the process. It will work out. He just needs time but something tells me he isn't going to get it.
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Answered your first two points.

Then I saw stuff such as potter doing a man city and dominating and saying its an impossible job to maintain results whilst trying to set a playing style...he hasn't done either.

We play worse than under tuchel at the end and our results are the worst of any manager in 27 years.

trust the process with no reason to do that.
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"I want to win the league but I want to win it better."
Brian Clough

It depends whether you want to be hated the world over for continually sacking managers after a year or two or be one of those clubs that the world admires whilst dominating. Pep has managed that with his Barca and City teams. You hate them winning everything but it's hard not to admire the football, particularly his 2011 Barca side. If you flip flop from manager to manager, style to style, you'll never be one of those admired clubs. Stick with Potter and have faith in the process and not only can you win loads, you'll do it with a load of admiring glances from afar. It might not look like it now but if you look at the kind of football he had a cheaply assembled Brighton team playing and I've heard something similar about his time at Ostersunds, imagine what he could do with time and that Chelsea squad.

The issue is more the profile of player. His style requires effort and movement both on and off the ball to not only chase when you haven't got it but providing angles all the time to the player on the ball. It's exhausting and it's clearly harder to get a superstar to run through brick walls for you. Players of that profile want others to do it for you. I'm convinced that's why Gallagher plays a lot. He will take things on board and chase all day long. Same for Mount.

It's hard to tell. Anyone that came in during such a crazy period of recruitment was going to be at a hiding to nothing. It's up to the owners to stand firm and recognise that and give him the time he deserves.

Honestly, 20 years of success has spoilt you lot. Do you not remember the years of obscurity before that?

that's one of the more nonsensical posts i've ever read.
Nobody cares what people think of their club.
Also chelsea have overtaken arsenal and liverpool as the second most followed pl club across the world so what your saying isn't true.

Also gallagher doesn't play a lot.
And mount has been one of our worst players.

I understand the angle and what you are trying to say, but in this case it is incorrect on many levels.

Also in regarsd to 20 years of success, its nothing to do with that. I'd support chelsea in div 3, but everything is relative. We have spent £600 million.

If we were in div 3 and charging £1 for a hot dog then expectations are different.

Nothing to do with being spoilt.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 15 minutes ago
what is this transition talk though? We are world champions, were in europe and have spent millions.

I know money doesn't always translate to immediate success but this is no process or transition. We have spent like we mean business.
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haven't you been banging on for years about how overrated your squad is?

comment by Chris[topher] (U20930)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 15 minutes ago
what is this transition talk though? We are world champions, were in europe and have spent millions.

I know money doesn't always translate to immediate success but this is no process or transition. We have spent like we mean business.
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haven't you been banging on for years about how overrated your squad is?
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yes. And now we've spent 600 million to rectify it.
the squad has been overrated but not 10th position.
Tuchel had us third and in 4 finals last year with a worse squad.

I honestly don't get the persistence with Havertz. Chelsea have a lot of problems, but he's up there as being one of the biggest.

Top players in the team

Silva
Chillwell
james
Kante
Kovacic

4 of those tuchel didnt have last season.

Now potter has had replacements come in and also strenghtened our weaker areas with sterling, madueke, sterling, badiashile, fofana and aubameyang.

And it's gotten worse.