Not buying a decent centre back in the summer - I said at the time it would cost us.
Aren't 3, 4 & 5 probably the outcome of 2?
A combination of all them things!
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
100% Sheff Utd - best opportunity to win a trohpy for the first time in a long time and it proved to us that we have not learned anything over the last 10 or so years in regards to cup competitions.
It's the must facked off and angry I have been with Spurs for a long, long time and something that I'm still seething about really.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
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Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
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This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
The complete lack of any warmth in any club statement from Enic fc
Becoming a customer instead of a supporter
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
100% Sheff Utd - best opportunity to win a trohpy for the first time in a long time and it proved to us that we have not learned anything over the last 10 or so years in regards to cup competitions.
It's the must facked off and angry I have been with Spurs for a long, long time and something that I'm still seething about really.
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All of this
Totally gutless performance and such a wasted opportunity
comment by Citizen Smeg. TOTTENHAM INDEPENDENT TRADERS (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
The complete lack of any warmth in any club statement from Enic fc
Becoming a customer instead of a supporter
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He thinks he's speaking to shareholders. The irony is we pay to have no shares so its twice as annoying
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
Not buying a decent centre back in the summer - I said at the time it would cost us.
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Good point. The summer window was decent but did not address key areas like the goal keeper too. Not buying one CB and loaning Lenglet was underwhelming.
Also,failure to sell any of the deadwood and instead loaning everyone out but that's a side issue.
Of all the losses the Sheff Utd stung the most. Starting with Moura was a dreadful decision.
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
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This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
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You trying to me me Richarlison Son and Deki are not good enough to beat a Championship side?
Kane was unwell anyway. They didnt want to risk him but had him on the bench if needed, which he was...and he missed an absolute sitter.
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
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DO you remember the statement Liverpool made when they went out of the cups? or any team
What you are demanding is action that NO CLUB takes in the wake of a defeat.
Conte picked the team not Levy/ENIC.
Read the clubs last statement, think it was when the financial results were published. It says the opposite of what you claim. And there were plenty of reports that the Board were furious after the Sheff Utd defeat.
What is clear is that a properly coached side, albeit missing 2 or 3 usual starters should beat a championship side. Sheff Utd didnt even play that well. We didnt wilt under a fierce atmosphere and fired-opposition, we were plain awful and that's on the manager and the players.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You trying to me me Richarlison Son and Deki are not good enough to beat a Championship side?
Kane was unwell anyway. They didnt want to risk him but had him on the bench if needed, which he was...and he missed an absolute sitter.
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There you go, underestimating a lower league side, if he had played the same team that beat Chelsea from the start we would have won and been able to rest players after an hour
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You trying to me me Richarlison Son and Deki are not good enough to beat a Championship side?
Kane was unwell anyway. They didnt want to risk him but had him on the bench if needed, which he was...and he missed an absolute sitter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There you go, underestimating a lower league side, if he had played the same team that beat Chelsea from the start we would have won and been able to rest players after an hour
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It was a crap awful performance by many of the same players that beat Chelsea.
For me the only glaring lineup issue was Sanchez who is an utter liability in defence and has zero ability on the ball. Sheff Utd got beaten at home by Luton this passed weekend and Luton didnt have Harry Kane in their line up.
For me, my problem is Conte cannot get more out a a group of player, greater than the sum of their parts. He is an organiser not a coach/trainer. His not a motivator he's a tactician. We saw the same in the UCL. A timid performance where we barely attempted to impose ourselves on the opposition. It was comfortable for Milan as it was for Sheff Utd.
That is down to approach and attitude more than it is picking your very best XI
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posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You trying to me me Richarlison Son and Deki are not good enough to beat a Championship side?
Kane was unwell anyway. They didnt want to risk him but had him on the bench if needed, which he was...and he missed an absolute sitter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There you go, underestimating a lower league side, if he had played the same team that beat Chelsea from the start we would have won and been able to rest players after an hour
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was a crap awful performance by many of the same players that beat Chelsea.
For me the only glaring lineup issue was Sanchez who is an utter liability in defence and has zero ability on the ball. Sheff Utd got beaten at home by Luton this passed weekend and Luton didnt have Harry Kane in their line up.
For me, my problem is Conte cannot get more out a a group of player, greater than the sum of their parts. He is an organiser not a coach/trainer. His not a motivator he's a tactician. We saw the same in the UCL. A timid performance where we barely attempted to impose ourselves on the opposition. It was comfortable for Milan as it was for Sheff Utd.
That is down to approach and attitude more than it is picking your very best XI
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Dropping Skipp was silly, the exact sort of game that he is tailor made for - it’s probably his true level in my opinion, you can’t deny he loves sticking a tackle in with the hard men of the Championship.
The bigger issue is the defence in general and the changes made that day - off the top of my head, Sanchez cost us against Zagreb under Jose and the Slovenian side under Conte - he is no good especially as a rotation option as he needs a run of games just to be half decent.
I’m sure if I looked closely I could find a lot of correlation with us getting knocked out of the cups and starting a weakened back 4/5 - that’s the bigger concern for me. Blame Conte all you like, but I’ve seen it happen under Poch/Jose/Conte - which makes bald khunt the common denominator
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
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DO you remember the statement Liverpool made when they went out of the cups? or any team
What you are demanding is action that NO CLUB takes in the wake of a defeat.
Conte picked the team not Levy/ENIC.
Read the clubs last statement, think it was when the financial results were published. It says the opposite of what you claim. And there were plenty of reports that the Board were furious after the Sheff Utd defeat.
What is clear is that a properly coached side, albeit missing 2 or 3 usual starters should beat a championship side. Sheff Utd didnt even play that well. We didnt wilt under a fierce atmosphere and fired-opposition, we were plain awful and that's on the manager and the players.
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Are we now accepting that Conte isn't a coach? Like Jose they just want to pick teams from world class players
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
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DO you remember the statement Liverpool made when they went out of the cups? or any team
What you are demanding is action that NO CLUB takes in the wake of a defeat.
Conte picked the team not Levy/ENIC.
Read the clubs last statement, think it was when the financial results were published. It says the opposite of what you claim. And there were plenty of reports that the Board were furious after the Sheff Utd defeat.
What is clear is that a properly coached side, albeit missing 2 or 3 usual starters should beat a championship side. Sheff Utd didnt even play that well. We didnt wilt under a fierce atmosphere and fired-opposition, we were plain awful and that's on the manager and the players.
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And ultimately the man in charge of the players and manager is the chairman - so the buck stops with him. Levy chose Conte and would have set him goals for the season. Conte can only pick players we have actually got on our books and has to meet the goals set for him.
It’s well stated every season that top 4 is the aim - you never hear our board talk about winning trophies though - that needs to change, it should be an expectation at the very top of the club, that way it might filter down to the people that can actually make it happen.
Like I said first off though - the most “hurtful” thing about this season was not buying Conte the CB he told the club he needed in the summer - we didn’t stump up for Bastoni or Gvardiol or even the second tier options of N’dicka and Bremer - so now Ben Davies continues to play LCB for us, Eric Dier is a guaranteed starter and Sanchez still gets some game time. Regardless of manager we need 2 CB in the summer and a creative player and a keeper - and quite possibly a Kane replacement.
Should be fun when Levy tells “titi” we have £50m, whatever he can raise from selling players no one wants on permanent deals and half a curly wurly
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
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DO you remember the statement Liverpool made when they went out of the cups? or any team
What you are demanding is action that NO CLUB takes in the wake of a defeat.
Conte picked the team not Levy/ENIC.
Read the clubs last statement, think it was when the financial results were published. It says the opposite of what you claim. And there were plenty of reports that the Board were furious after the Sheff Utd defeat.
What is clear is that a properly coached side, albeit missing 2 or 3 usual starters should beat a championship side. Sheff Utd didnt even play that well. We didnt wilt under a fierce atmosphere and fired-opposition, we were plain awful and that's on the manager and the players.
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Are we now accepting that Conte isn't a coach? Like Jose they just want to pick teams from world class players
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Goal posts have to move to fit agendas
It’s not allowed to be the bald khunts fault
There's so much more to build an argument against Conte than any one of those you've listed. It's a combination of all of them but moreover it's that we've probably played well in only handful of games this season. Even when we've won, we've scraped by, turning defeat into victory with a great deal of belief but light on quality and more importantly, ambition. We've not turned one team over this year. Not really. Even those in transition, like Liverpool and Chelsea, when they're on it, can butcher sides. We never, ever do.
Then there's his attitude, where he publicly likes to preserve his own reputation by reminding the world of our frailties and our opposition's 'size and history', all despite the fact that Milan, for example, were assembled at a fraction of the cost of our team and sit lower down in an inferior league to us. He talks of fans needing patience without committing himself.
The absolute worst for me is the style though. It won't win us anything. I feel like we're further away than when we were playing front foot football under Poch.
The truth is that taking one of these issues in isolation is not enough to get rid of a manager but when you take into account the collective, the aggregation of marginal losses, if you will, then there's enough evidence to get rid.
I hope to god a repeat of last year's run in doesn't prompt Levy to push for a new deal. I can't take it anymore Conte-ball.
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posted on 14/3/23
Not buying a decent centre back in the summer - I said at the time it would cost us.
posted on 14/3/23
6. Aceole in moderation.
posted on 14/3/23
Aren't 3, 4 & 5 probably the outcome of 2?
posted on 14/3/23
2,3,4,5 = Conte
posted on 14/3/23
A combination of all them things!
posted on 14/3/23
3, 4, and 5.
posted on 14/3/23
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
posted on 14/3/23
100% Sheff Utd - best opportunity to win a trohpy for the first time in a long time and it proved to us that we have not learned anything over the last 10 or so years in regards to cup competitions.
It's the must facked off and angry I have been with Spurs for a long, long time and something that I'm still seething about really.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
posted on 14/3/23
*Conte
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
posted on 14/3/23
The complete lack of any warmth in any club statement from Enic fc
Becoming a customer instead of a supporter
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Del Boy (U22000)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
100% Sheff Utd - best opportunity to win a trohpy for the first time in a long time and it proved to us that we have not learned anything over the last 10 or so years in regards to cup competitions.
It's the must facked off and angry I have been with Spurs for a long, long time and something that I'm still seething about really.
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All of this
Totally gutless performance and such a wasted opportunity
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Citizen Smeg. TOTTENHAM INDEPENDENT TRADERS (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
The complete lack of any warmth in any club statement from Enic fc
Becoming a customer instead of a supporter
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He thinks he's speaking to shareholders. The irony is we pay to have no shares so its twice as annoying
posted on 14/3/23
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
Not buying a decent centre back in the summer - I said at the time it would cost us.
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Good point. The summer window was decent but did not address key areas like the goal keeper too. Not buying one CB and loaning Lenglet was underwhelming.
Also,failure to sell any of the deadwood and instead loaning everyone out but that's a side issue.
Of all the losses the Sheff Utd stung the most. Starting with Moura was a dreadful decision.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You trying to me me Richarlison Son and Deki are not good enough to beat a Championship side?
Kane was unwell anyway. They didnt want to risk him but had him on the bench if needed, which he was...and he missed an absolute sitter.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
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DO you remember the statement Liverpool made when they went out of the cups? or any team
What you are demanding is action that NO CLUB takes in the wake of a defeat.
Conte picked the team not Levy/ENIC.
Read the clubs last statement, think it was when the financial results were published. It says the opposite of what you claim. And there were plenty of reports that the Board were furious after the Sheff Utd defeat.
What is clear is that a properly coached side, albeit missing 2 or 3 usual starters should beat a championship side. Sheff Utd didnt even play that well. We didnt wilt under a fierce atmosphere and fired-opposition, we were plain awful and that's on the manager and the players.
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You trying to me me Richarlison Son and Deki are not good enough to beat a Championship side?
Kane was unwell anyway. They didnt want to risk him but had him on the bench if needed, which he was...and he missed an absolute sitter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There you go, underestimating a lower league side, if he had played the same team that beat Chelsea from the start we would have won and been able to rest players after an hour
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (filtered by Sandy & Sock)) (U4428)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You trying to me me Richarlison Son and Deki are not good enough to beat a Championship side?
Kane was unwell anyway. They didnt want to risk him but had him on the bench if needed, which he was...and he missed an absolute sitter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There you go, underestimating a lower league side, if he had played the same team that beat Chelsea from the start we would have won and been able to rest players after an hour
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It was a crap awful performance by many of the same players that beat Chelsea.
For me the only glaring lineup issue was Sanchez who is an utter liability in defence and has zero ability on the ball. Sheff Utd got beaten at home by Luton this passed weekend and Luton didnt have Harry Kane in their line up.
For me, my problem is Conte cannot get more out a a group of player, greater than the sum of their parts. He is an organiser not a coach/trainer. His not a motivator he's a tactician. We saw the same in the UCL. A timid performance where we barely attempted to impose ourselves on the opposition. It was comfortable for Milan as it was for Sheff Utd.
That is down to approach and attitude more than it is picking your very best XI
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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For me its just the pathetic losses in the cups, so 3, 4 or 5.
If we were in the FA Cup QF vs Blackburn and in the draw for the UCL QF, with a cushion in 4th place we'd be confident and well placed.
The gutless cup games are unforgiveable and you begin to wonder whether the millstone of no trophy for years is weighing too heavy on the team, or whether its just Conte. Youd think his style would suit cup football but it doesnt
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Agreed, he doesn't like to try and kill the confidence of opposition instead he plays this catenaccio style that gives opposition confidence.
There a misplaced arrogance of acimte and players against championship teams that they don't have the talent to hurt you with possession.
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This is not just Conte, it's been happening for decades, you show weakness by playing a sub standard team and there confidence is sky high, having Harry Kane sitting on the bench is not good enough
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You trying to me me Richarlison Son and Deki are not good enough to beat a Championship side?
Kane was unwell anyway. They didnt want to risk him but had him on the bench if needed, which he was...and he missed an absolute sitter.
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There you go, underestimating a lower league side, if he had played the same team that beat Chelsea from the start we would have won and been able to rest players after an hour
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It was a crap awful performance by many of the same players that beat Chelsea.
For me the only glaring lineup issue was Sanchez who is an utter liability in defence and has zero ability on the ball. Sheff Utd got beaten at home by Luton this passed weekend and Luton didnt have Harry Kane in their line up.
For me, my problem is Conte cannot get more out a a group of player, greater than the sum of their parts. He is an organiser not a coach/trainer. His not a motivator he's a tactician. We saw the same in the UCL. A timid performance where we barely attempted to impose ourselves on the opposition. It was comfortable for Milan as it was for Sheff Utd.
That is down to approach and attitude more than it is picking your very best XI
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Dropping Skipp was silly, the exact sort of game that he is tailor made for - it’s probably his true level in my opinion, you can’t deny he loves sticking a tackle in with the hard men of the Championship.
The bigger issue is the defence in general and the changes made that day - off the top of my head, Sanchez cost us against Zagreb under Jose and the Slovenian side under Conte - he is no good especially as a rotation option as he needs a run of games just to be half decent.
I’m sure if I looked closely I could find a lot of correlation with us getting knocked out of the cups and starting a weakened back 4/5 - that’s the bigger concern for me. Blame Conte all you like, but I’ve seen it happen under Poch/Jose/Conte - which makes bald khunt the common denominator
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
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DO you remember the statement Liverpool made when they went out of the cups? or any team
What you are demanding is action that NO CLUB takes in the wake of a defeat.
Conte picked the team not Levy/ENIC.
Read the clubs last statement, think it was when the financial results were published. It says the opposite of what you claim. And there were plenty of reports that the Board were furious after the Sheff Utd defeat.
What is clear is that a properly coached side, albeit missing 2 or 3 usual starters should beat a championship side. Sheff Utd didnt even play that well. We didnt wilt under a fierce atmosphere and fired-opposition, we were plain awful and that's on the manager and the players.
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Are we now accepting that Conte isn't a coach? Like Jose they just want to pick teams from world class players
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
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DO you remember the statement Liverpool made when they went out of the cups? or any team
What you are demanding is action that NO CLUB takes in the wake of a defeat.
Conte picked the team not Levy/ENIC.
Read the clubs last statement, think it was when the financial results were published. It says the opposite of what you claim. And there were plenty of reports that the Board were furious after the Sheff Utd defeat.
What is clear is that a properly coached side, albeit missing 2 or 3 usual starters should beat a championship side. Sheff Utd didnt even play that well. We didnt wilt under a fierce atmosphere and fired-opposition, we were plain awful and that's on the manager and the players.
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And ultimately the man in charge of the players and manager is the chairman - so the buck stops with him. Levy chose Conte and would have set him goals for the season. Conte can only pick players we have actually got on our books and has to meet the goals set for him.
It’s well stated every season that top 4 is the aim - you never hear our board talk about winning trophies though - that needs to change, it should be an expectation at the very top of the club, that way it might filter down to the people that can actually make it happen.
Like I said first off though - the most “hurtful” thing about this season was not buying Conte the CB he told the club he needed in the summer - we didn’t stump up for Bastoni or Gvardiol or even the second tier options of N’dicka and Bremer - so now Ben Davies continues to play LCB for us, Eric Dier is a guaranteed starter and Sanchez still gets some game time. Regardless of manager we need 2 CB in the summer and a creative player and a keeper - and quite possibly a Kane replacement.
Should be fun when Levy tells “titi” we have £50m, whatever he can raise from selling players no one wants on permanent deals and half a curly wurly
posted on 14/3/23
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Sheffield United loss will probably go down as the most memorable game of this season for us - that Levy doesn’t get that is a huge problem for me.
Didn’t sack the manager
Didn’t make a statement
Never makes statements about targeting cups
Enic out
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DO you remember the statement Liverpool made when they went out of the cups? or any team
What you are demanding is action that NO CLUB takes in the wake of a defeat.
Conte picked the team not Levy/ENIC.
Read the clubs last statement, think it was when the financial results were published. It says the opposite of what you claim. And there were plenty of reports that the Board were furious after the Sheff Utd defeat.
What is clear is that a properly coached side, albeit missing 2 or 3 usual starters should beat a championship side. Sheff Utd didnt even play that well. We didnt wilt under a fierce atmosphere and fired-opposition, we were plain awful and that's on the manager and the players.
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Are we now accepting that Conte isn't a coach? Like Jose they just want to pick teams from world class players
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Goal posts have to move to fit agendas
It’s not allowed to be the bald khunts fault
posted on 14/3/23
There's so much more to build an argument against Conte than any one of those you've listed. It's a combination of all of them but moreover it's that we've probably played well in only handful of games this season. Even when we've won, we've scraped by, turning defeat into victory with a great deal of belief but light on quality and more importantly, ambition. We've not turned one team over this year. Not really. Even those in transition, like Liverpool and Chelsea, when they're on it, can butcher sides. We never, ever do.
Then there's his attitude, where he publicly likes to preserve his own reputation by reminding the world of our frailties and our opposition's 'size and history', all despite the fact that Milan, for example, were assembled at a fraction of the cost of our team and sit lower down in an inferior league to us. He talks of fans needing patience without committing himself.
The absolute worst for me is the style though. It won't win us anything. I feel like we're further away than when we were playing front foot football under Poch.
The truth is that taking one of these issues in isolation is not enough to get rid of a manager but when you take into account the collective, the aggregation of marginal losses, if you will, then there's enough evidence to get rid.
I hope to god a repeat of last year's run in doesn't prompt Levy to push for a new deal. I can't take it anymore Conte-ball.
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