It's tough because if they turn out to be true, then obviously we've made the wrong decision. But if they turn out to be false and we suspended him for the season, what's to stop Arsenal fans making allegations against Harry Kane to rule him out for a while?
While it's an extreme example, these cases are rarely straightforward.
Is it true he paid her money and got her to sign an NDA ?
She then made some things public.
I dunno about the NDA but I think she got paid something
Thats what one of the girls said during the whole mess
Stay away from loose women, you can see them coming from far if you have brain.
There is some evidence about that is pretty damning
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I read it was the messages was some messages which had been modified / edited. If this is true then it automatically raises massive doubts.
Everyone but Arsenal fans agree on this issue, says it all. Think they need to set their club bias aside, it isn’t just allegations, there has been evidence
If you're talking about the snapchat messages, they don't really prove anything though, so how can they be taken as evidence?
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
There is some evidence about that is pretty damning
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I read it was the messages was some messages which had been modified / edited. If this is true then it automatically raises massive doubts.
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Yeah, unedited. Pics of that were put on SM which read very different.
comment by T-SaliBAG (U11806)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
It's tough because if they turn out to be true, then obviously we've made the wrong decision. But if they turn out to be false and we suspended him for the season, what's to stop Arsenal fans making allegations against Harry Kane to rule him out for a while?
While it's an extreme example, these cases are rarely straightforward.
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Well probably cos the CPS doesn't take spurious cases. You're not gonna catch Kane out doing the stuff Mendy was/is.
All of which to say, just because the jury can't say beyond reasonable doubt that the alleged crimes were committed (they couldn't decide at all on 2 of the charges) doesn't mean the women were making false accusations. Just that the there wasn't enough evidence to prove them. It's the same reason over 90% of rape charges never make it to court.
Oh shoot just realised I crossed the streams. Same logic though init. Sounds like the Partey one is a bit more complicated cos one of the rapes was in Spain? Still. The police charging you in England says they're pretty confident there's a case to answer at least. The burden of proof added to a bunch of expensive lawyers make it very unlikely he'll be found guilty though init. They just have to discredit the women enough and it's game over. I guess as football fans you have a personal decision to cheer on who you like. Doesn't matter what he's actually guilty of or not right? Sounds like I'm being a d!ck but it's true init. He's gonna win you the league so you'd rather not know/talk about something else.
And yes, we were all the same about Ronaldo. It's facked up
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posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
There is some evidence about that is pretty damning
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I read it was the messages was some messages which had been modified / edited. If this is true then it automatically raises massive doubts.
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Yeah, unedited. Pics of that were put on SM which read very different.
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Convulsive
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
Oh shoot just realised I crossed the streams. Same logic though init. Sounds like the Partey one is a bit more complicated cos one of the rapes was in Spain? Still. The police charging you in England says they're pretty confident there's a case to answer at least. The burden of proof added to a bunch of expensive lawyers make it very unlikely he'll be found guilty though init. They just have to discredit the women enough and it's game over. I guess as football fans you have a personal decision to cheer on who you like. Doesn't matter what he's actually guilty of or not right? Sounds like I'm being a d!ck but it's true init. He's gonna win you the league so you'd rather not know/talk about something else.
And yes, we were all the same about Ronaldo. It's facked up
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It is facked up and the reality of the situation is that a lot of the time these players will just be able to buy their way out of the situation, but on the flip side footballers are undoubtedly a bigger target for extortion/revenge or whatever cos they have so much to lose.
I genuinely don't think there's enough information in the public domain to make a judgement either way on this particular case, as far as I'm aware. I haven't followed the Mendy one, so I have no idea about that one. The Ronaldo one seems pretty baffling considering his own account of events, but unsurprising he got off without any punishment
footballers are undoubtedly a bigger target for extortion/revenge or whatever cos they have so much to lose.
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Yeah I'm not buying that as an excuse for these guys. That might seem harsh, but they're in an incredibly fortunate position to earn insane money doing something that millions of people admire them for. I'm not expecting these young lads to be saints, and lets be honest, the world they grow up in (assuming they come through a big club academy) is pretty strange. They get whatever they want.. anyway.
I'm not trying to get judge Judy about this. As a regular footy fan it doesn't sit right with me when there's police charges for serious, violent crimes going about and the club not even commenting on them. Fair enough, they do what they like. But to pretend it's not happening is kinda gross. IMO. And on the bigger picture, I don't see why the sexpest Mendy types can't just wait until they're 30 or whatever. There's all this hand-wringing about his career being ruined.. fack me. Rapist or not, how about you don't have your mate filming orrgies with tons of girls all the time while your wealth and career is hinging largely on your public image. Twaats.
It's not an excuse. If he has done what is alleged that's inexcusable.
Any line of work where you're in the public eye and make a shiiit tonne of money is gonna attract all sorts of unwanted attention though, which makes these things even muddier, that's all I'm saying.
As for the club commenting on it, I'm just assuming (hoping I guess) that's on the advice of the club lawyers until a verdict is reached. I dunno what they could even say, unless they know for sure what happened? 'We stand with Partey' then he gets charged and you're totally boned, similarly if you sack him and he's proven innocent.
Yeah it's tough init. I don't know enough about Partey's specific case but I'm not suggesting sacking him. And I don't think it's outrageous to say that if he was a youth player or someone who barely played anyway he'd have just been quietly suspended. You wouldn't even have to announce it, just say he's got an injury. Not gonna happen with a 60m star player though.
We all know it's gross and it's football's problem tbh. Like it was the music industry, BBC, Hollywood.. the world is watching. Just like you can't have random women ruining careers you can't have stars doing serious sexual assaults and going on being role models for kids cos there's a lack of evidence. We have to do better. And yes I say lack of evidence. Cos let's face it the vast majority of rape cases there's a lack of evidence. How do you document a lack of consent? All this 'not guilty = completely innocent, false accusations' stuff is madness.
Today every now and then there are some accusations. I'm not saying things aren't happening, but there should be big punishments for false accusations. I don't see the reason why should we ban Partey if he is not proven guilty
It’s a tricky one. I really would hate it in football terms if Partey were suspended for whatever reason. But some things are more important than football. Arsenal could take a serious hit to their reputation from this. We all love it when our players turn out to be decent guys, but there is a flip side. I never want to see Mendy in a City shirt again regardless of guilt or innocence, and I’ve yet to meet a United fan who wants Greenwood back.
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
It’s a tricky one. I really would hate it in football terms if Partey were suspended for whatever reason. But some things are more important than football. Arsenal could take a serious hit to their reputation from this. We all love it when our players turn out to be decent guys, but there is a flip side. I never want to see Mendy in a City shirt again regardless of guilt or innocence, and I’ve yet to meet a United fan who wants Greenwood back.
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Why not Mendy? If he didn't do those rapes? Imagine 9 people accuse you of smth you didn't do.
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 7 hours, 55 minutes ago
Today every now and then there are some accusations. I'm not saying things aren't happening, but there should be big punishments for false accusations. I don't see the reason why should we ban Partey if he is not proven guilty
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Do you work in an office? If you were accused of something this serious you'd be suspended with full pay until there was an outcome. You'd not be allowed to go into work.
Why do you think this should be any different? Being suspended doesn't make you guilty of anything either. It's just nornal standard practice for serious allegations.
Arsenal have put first team goals over this case which is utter baffling and a major own goal PR wise.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 7 hours, 55 minutes ago
Today every now and then there are some accusations. I'm not saying things aren't happening, but there should be big punishments for false accusations. I don't see the reason why should we ban Partey if he is not proven guilty
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Do you work in an office? If you were accused of something this serious you'd be suspended with full pay until there was an outcome. You'd not be allowed to go into work.
Why do you think this should be any different? Being suspended doesn't make you guilty of anything either. It's just nornal standard practice for serious allegations.
Arsenal have put first team goals over this case which is utter baffling and a major own goal PR wise.
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Okay, so some Arsenal fans can accuse whole Man City squad so they get suspended and then we will be champions tomorrow, and don't have to wait 2 motnhs to lift a trophy. yay.
Important to note the difference between a random accusation and a police charge. If the CPS looks at the case and decides it's worth pursuing it's probably worth the club paying attention to. You'd hope so anyway. Unless there's another reason they'd ignore it. Like winning football games.
See how seriously the police take you accusing Kane of doing that kinda stuff. They'd have you in court for wasting police time
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 14 hours, 48 minutes ago
It’s a tricky one. I really would hate it in football terms if Partey were suspended for whatever reason. But some things are more important than football. Arsenal could take a serious hit to their reputation from this. We all love it when our players turn out to be decent guys, but there is a flip side. I never want to see Mendy in a City shirt again regardless of guilt or innocence, and I’ve yet to meet a United fan who wants Greenwood back.
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So you'd not want an innocent man to play for your team again because he was accused, sounds pretty stupid to me but each to their own. Partey as it stands is innocent so we'll gladly have him in the team until proved otherwise thank you...
Innocent until proven guilty is a concept for the justice system, not ordinary people. If we lived life to that principle the world would be mayhem.
AFAICT around 0.5% of men accused of rape get convicted. There needs to be some recognition of the context here. Though of course you're glad he's playing for you, he's a good football player. Who cares if he rapes women right? As long as it's not proven beyond reasonable doubt in court.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 7 hours, 55 minutes ago
Today every now and then there are some accusations. I'm not saying things aren't happening, but there should be big punishments for false accusations. I don't see the reason why should we ban Partey if he is not proven guilty
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Do you work in an office? If you were accused of something this serious you'd be suspended with full pay until there was an outcome. You'd not be allowed to go into work.
Why do you think this should be any different? Being suspended doesn't make you guilty of anything either. It's just nornal standard practice for serious allegations.
Arsenal have put first team goals over this case which is utter baffling and a major own goal PR wise.
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Would you not open yourself to some sort of legal recourse if you did that though?
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posted on 23/3/23
It's tough because if they turn out to be true, then obviously we've made the wrong decision. But if they turn out to be false and we suspended him for the season, what's to stop Arsenal fans making allegations against Harry Kane to rule him out for a while?
While it's an extreme example, these cases are rarely straightforward.
posted on 23/3/23
Is it true he paid her money and got her to sign an NDA ?
She then made some things public.
posted on 23/3/23
I dunno about the NDA but I think she got paid something
posted on 23/3/23
Thats what one of the girls said during the whole mess
posted on 23/3/23
Stay away from loose women, you can see them coming from far if you have brain.
posted on 23/3/23
There is some evidence about that is pretty damning
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I read it was the messages was some messages which had been modified / edited. If this is true then it automatically raises massive doubts.
posted on 23/3/23
Everyone but Arsenal fans agree on this issue, says it all. Think they need to set their club bias aside, it isn’t just allegations, there has been evidence
posted on 23/3/23
If you're talking about the snapchat messages, they don't really prove anything though, so how can they be taken as evidence?
posted on 23/3/23
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
There is some evidence about that is pretty damning
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I read it was the messages was some messages which had been modified / edited. If this is true then it automatically raises massive doubts.
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Yeah, unedited. Pics of that were put on SM which read very different.
posted on 24/3/23
comment by T-SaliBAG (U11806)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
It's tough because if they turn out to be true, then obviously we've made the wrong decision. But if they turn out to be false and we suspended him for the season, what's to stop Arsenal fans making allegations against Harry Kane to rule him out for a while?
While it's an extreme example, these cases are rarely straightforward.
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Well probably cos the CPS doesn't take spurious cases. You're not gonna catch Kane out doing the stuff Mendy was/is.
All of which to say, just because the jury can't say beyond reasonable doubt that the alleged crimes were committed (they couldn't decide at all on 2 of the charges) doesn't mean the women were making false accusations. Just that the there wasn't enough evidence to prove them. It's the same reason over 90% of rape charges never make it to court.
posted on 24/3/23
Oh shoot just realised I crossed the streams. Same logic though init. Sounds like the Partey one is a bit more complicated cos one of the rapes was in Spain? Still. The police charging you in England says they're pretty confident there's a case to answer at least. The burden of proof added to a bunch of expensive lawyers make it very unlikely he'll be found guilty though init. They just have to discredit the women enough and it's game over. I guess as football fans you have a personal decision to cheer on who you like. Doesn't matter what he's actually guilty of or not right? Sounds like I'm being a d!ck but it's true init. He's gonna win you the league so you'd rather not know/talk about something else.
And yes, we were all the same about Ronaldo. It's facked up
posted on 24/3/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
There is some evidence about that is pretty damning
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I read it was the messages was some messages which had been modified / edited. If this is true then it automatically raises massive doubts.
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Yeah, unedited. Pics of that were put on SM which read very different.
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Convulsive
posted on 24/3/23
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
Oh shoot just realised I crossed the streams. Same logic though init. Sounds like the Partey one is a bit more complicated cos one of the rapes was in Spain? Still. The police charging you in England says they're pretty confident there's a case to answer at least. The burden of proof added to a bunch of expensive lawyers make it very unlikely he'll be found guilty though init. They just have to discredit the women enough and it's game over. I guess as football fans you have a personal decision to cheer on who you like. Doesn't matter what he's actually guilty of or not right? Sounds like I'm being a d!ck but it's true init. He's gonna win you the league so you'd rather not know/talk about something else.
And yes, we were all the same about Ronaldo. It's facked up
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It is facked up and the reality of the situation is that a lot of the time these players will just be able to buy their way out of the situation, but on the flip side footballers are undoubtedly a bigger target for extortion/revenge or whatever cos they have so much to lose.
I genuinely don't think there's enough information in the public domain to make a judgement either way on this particular case, as far as I'm aware. I haven't followed the Mendy one, so I have no idea about that one. The Ronaldo one seems pretty baffling considering his own account of events, but unsurprising he got off without any punishment
posted on 24/3/23
footballers are undoubtedly a bigger target for extortion/revenge or whatever cos they have so much to lose.
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Yeah I'm not buying that as an excuse for these guys. That might seem harsh, but they're in an incredibly fortunate position to earn insane money doing something that millions of people admire them for. I'm not expecting these young lads to be saints, and lets be honest, the world they grow up in (assuming they come through a big club academy) is pretty strange. They get whatever they want.. anyway.
I'm not trying to get judge Judy about this. As a regular footy fan it doesn't sit right with me when there's police charges for serious, violent crimes going about and the club not even commenting on them. Fair enough, they do what they like. But to pretend it's not happening is kinda gross. IMO. And on the bigger picture, I don't see why the sexpest Mendy types can't just wait until they're 30 or whatever. There's all this hand-wringing about his career being ruined.. fack me. Rapist or not, how about you don't have your mate filming orrgies with tons of girls all the time while your wealth and career is hinging largely on your public image. Twaats.
posted on 24/3/23
It's not an excuse. If he has done what is alleged that's inexcusable.
Any line of work where you're in the public eye and make a shiiit tonne of money is gonna attract all sorts of unwanted attention though, which makes these things even muddier, that's all I'm saying.
As for the club commenting on it, I'm just assuming (hoping I guess) that's on the advice of the club lawyers until a verdict is reached. I dunno what they could even say, unless they know for sure what happened? 'We stand with Partey' then he gets charged and you're totally boned, similarly if you sack him and he's proven innocent.
posted on 24/3/23
Yeah it's tough init. I don't know enough about Partey's specific case but I'm not suggesting sacking him. And I don't think it's outrageous to say that if he was a youth player or someone who barely played anyway he'd have just been quietly suspended. You wouldn't even have to announce it, just say he's got an injury. Not gonna happen with a 60m star player though.
We all know it's gross and it's football's problem tbh. Like it was the music industry, BBC, Hollywood.. the world is watching. Just like you can't have random women ruining careers you can't have stars doing serious sexual assaults and going on being role models for kids cos there's a lack of evidence. We have to do better. And yes I say lack of evidence. Cos let's face it the vast majority of rape cases there's a lack of evidence. How do you document a lack of consent? All this 'not guilty = completely innocent, false accusations' stuff is madness.
posted on 24/3/23
Today every now and then there are some accusations. I'm not saying things aren't happening, but there should be big punishments for false accusations. I don't see the reason why should we ban Partey if he is not proven guilty
posted on 24/3/23
It’s a tricky one. I really would hate it in football terms if Partey were suspended for whatever reason. But some things are more important than football. Arsenal could take a serious hit to their reputation from this. We all love it when our players turn out to be decent guys, but there is a flip side. I never want to see Mendy in a City shirt again regardless of guilt or innocence, and I’ve yet to meet a United fan who wants Greenwood back.
posted on 24/3/23
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
It’s a tricky one. I really would hate it in football terms if Partey were suspended for whatever reason. But some things are more important than football. Arsenal could take a serious hit to their reputation from this. We all love it when our players turn out to be decent guys, but there is a flip side. I never want to see Mendy in a City shirt again regardless of guilt or innocence, and I’ve yet to meet a United fan who wants Greenwood back.
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Why not Mendy? If he didn't do those rapes? Imagine 9 people accuse you of smth you didn't do.
posted on 24/3/23
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 7 hours, 55 minutes ago
Today every now and then there are some accusations. I'm not saying things aren't happening, but there should be big punishments for false accusations. I don't see the reason why should we ban Partey if he is not proven guilty
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Do you work in an office? If you were accused of something this serious you'd be suspended with full pay until there was an outcome. You'd not be allowed to go into work.
Why do you think this should be any different? Being suspended doesn't make you guilty of anything either. It's just nornal standard practice for serious allegations.
Arsenal have put first team goals over this case which is utter baffling and a major own goal PR wise.
posted on 24/3/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 7 hours, 55 minutes ago
Today every now and then there are some accusations. I'm not saying things aren't happening, but there should be big punishments for false accusations. I don't see the reason why should we ban Partey if he is not proven guilty
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Do you work in an office? If you were accused of something this serious you'd be suspended with full pay until there was an outcome. You'd not be allowed to go into work.
Why do you think this should be any different? Being suspended doesn't make you guilty of anything either. It's just nornal standard practice for serious allegations.
Arsenal have put first team goals over this case which is utter baffling and a major own goal PR wise.
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Okay, so some Arsenal fans can accuse whole Man City squad so they get suspended and then we will be champions tomorrow, and don't have to wait 2 motnhs to lift a trophy. yay.
posted on 24/3/23
Important to note the difference between a random accusation and a police charge. If the CPS looks at the case and decides it's worth pursuing it's probably worth the club paying attention to. You'd hope so anyway. Unless there's another reason they'd ignore it. Like winning football games.
See how seriously the police take you accusing Kane of doing that kinda stuff. They'd have you in court for wasting police time
posted on 25/3/23
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 14 hours, 48 minutes ago
It’s a tricky one. I really would hate it in football terms if Partey were suspended for whatever reason. But some things are more important than football. Arsenal could take a serious hit to their reputation from this. We all love it when our players turn out to be decent guys, but there is a flip side. I never want to see Mendy in a City shirt again regardless of guilt or innocence, and I’ve yet to meet a United fan who wants Greenwood back.
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So you'd not want an innocent man to play for your team again because he was accused, sounds pretty stupid to me but each to their own. Partey as it stands is innocent so we'll gladly have him in the team until proved otherwise thank you...
posted on 25/3/23
Innocent until proven guilty is a concept for the justice system, not ordinary people. If we lived life to that principle the world would be mayhem.
AFAICT around 0.5% of men accused of rape get convicted. There needs to be some recognition of the context here. Though of course you're glad he's playing for you, he's a good football player. Who cares if he rapes women right? As long as it's not proven beyond reasonable doubt in court.
posted on 25/3/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 7 hours, 55 minutes ago
Today every now and then there are some accusations. I'm not saying things aren't happening, but there should be big punishments for false accusations. I don't see the reason why should we ban Partey if he is not proven guilty
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Do you work in an office? If you were accused of something this serious you'd be suspended with full pay until there was an outcome. You'd not be allowed to go into work.
Why do you think this should be any different? Being suspended doesn't make you guilty of anything either. It's just nornal standard practice for serious allegations.
Arsenal have put first team goals over this case which is utter baffling and a major own goal PR wise.
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Would you not open yourself to some sort of legal recourse if you did that though?
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