Having taken the 'low hanging fruit' I'm not sure the market there has such rich pickings any more? And his direct observations are 2 years old now. Our scouting teams will be looking at all markets, especially those we can afford to shop in.
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Having taken the 'low hanging fruit' I'm not sure the market there has such rich pickings any more? And his direct observations are 2 years old now. Our scouting teams will be looking at all markets, especially those we can afford to shop in.
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could be right, or celtic will become more of a first pick for other players in Asia after seeing the success others have had and may favour you over other teams in bigger leagues?
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Having taken the 'low hanging fruit' I'm not sure the market there has such rich pickings any more? And his direct observations are 2 years old now. Our scouting teams will be looking at all markets, especially those we can afford to shop in.
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could be right, or celtic will become more of a first pick for other players in Asia after seeing the success others have had and may favour you over other teams in bigger leagues?
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Maybe, or they look at Kobayashi, Ideguchi, Oh, Iwata and realise that the success rate is <50%?
I'm being a contrary bastirt but the point being I don't think anyone cares what nationality the successes are other than some Scottish or club trained talent is a bonus.
Further, I'd just like to acknowledge that I missed Abada from my list of unarguable successes. Thankfully, Hee... er, Call Sign acted as sweeper for me.
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Having taken the 'low hanging fruit' I'm not sure the market there has such rich pickings any more? And his direct observations are 2 years old now. Our scouting teams will be looking at all markets, especially those we can afford to shop in.
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could be right, or celtic will become more of a first pick for other players in Asia after seeing the success others have had and may favour you over other teams in bigger leagues?
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Maybe, or they look at Kobayashi, Ideguchi, Oh, Iwata and realise that the success rate is <50%?
I'm being a contrary bastirt but the point being I don't think anyone cares what nationality the successes are other than some Scottish or club trained talent is a bonus.
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again could be, its still a clear advantage you hold over us in terms of scouting or markets to target. which is why i said it.
and like I said 2 of those players are up for POTY and prob enter in most fans opinions as being in top 3 players at the club.
I think most would say CCV, Hetate & Kyogo as being the best players for you this season. (lets not stretch it out to top 5 players because that clearly prob damages my point!)
I don't think Celtic's success in Japan/Far East is any different to any other market in that they will have to pick up talent that other clubs from bigger leagues have overlooked or players who are up and coming rather than established or just Scottish league level. If you look at the Japan squad it's full of players at big clubs in big leagues that Scottish teams can't compete with.
I don't think there's one market anymore that Scottish teams can look to where they will be able to take the best of the players available.
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I don't think Celtic's success in Japan/Far East is any different to any other market in that they will have to pick up talent that other clubs from bigger leagues have overlooked or players who are up and coming rather than established or just Scottish league level. If you look at the Japan squad it's full of players at big clubs in big leagues that Scottish teams can't compete with.
I don't think there's one market anymore that Scottish teams can look to where they will be able to take the best of the players available.
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Id say that their appeal is stronger as they can now cite examples of it working, rather than just theories of how it could work. the club may also be more trusting of those players and increase budgets for deals also.
It's more the fact that good players want to come to Celtic because they know who Ange is and the successes he's had. It's an advantage few old firm managers have had in a market that is not generally used
Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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A plan will certainly be in place so that when Ange leaves Celtic that Rangers have a good foundation of a squad that can capitalise any managerial transition periods. It's how Gerrard was able to win the league after Rodgers left
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Dont really agree with this, we cannot be reliant or plan for celtics downfall/regression/transition. We have to look at just improving as best we can on the budget available. No gurantees in Ange being there in August just the same as there is no guarantees he wont still be there in 4/5/6 years
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We can't be reliant on it but we certainly have to be prepared to take advantage of it. Gerard would never get the better of Rodgers and it's a huge challenge for Beale to complete with Ange. We don't want to be rebuilding at the same time celtic are.
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Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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like I said the club could be more trusting of the market now, increase the budgets for these better players that are coming out there and going to other clubs. They will also have a mini culture within them that will be appealing to other asian players possibly.
jeez all I did was bring it up as an advantage that Ange / Celtic have and one they have used. I didnt think there would be much discussion about it !
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Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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Rangers scouts won't have anywhere near the knowledge that Ange has of the Asian markets because he's able to identify players suited to his system.
I don't disagree with your point, I just don't think the Japanese/Far East market is a new one.
Scottish clubs sadly will still only be able to get the individuals other clubs with more resources from more glamourous leagues haven't taken.
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Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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like I said the club could be more trusting of the market now, increase the budgets for these better players that are coming out there and going to other clubs. They will also have a mini culture within them that will be appealing to other asian players possibly.
jeez all I did was bring it up as an advantage that Ange / Celtic have and one they have used. I didnt think there would be much discussion about it !
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I can't see Rangers tapping into that market at the moment. Beale knows the English markets and the potential resale value they potentially have
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Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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Rangers scouts won't have anywhere near the knowledge that Ange has of the Asian markets because he's able to identify players suited to his system.
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They absolutely will have knowledge of the markets, the up close detail I would agree with. But as Silver said there have been as many if not more misses as hits that Celtic have signed from there so every signing is a gamble regardless of which market you go to because the reality is the really top players are going elsewhere.
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Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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Rangers scouts won't have anywhere near the knowledge that Ange has of the Asian markets because he's able to identify players suited to his system.
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They absolutely will have knowledge of the markets, the up close detail I would agree with. But as Silver said there have been as many if not more misses as hits that Celtic have signed from there so every signing is a gamble regardless of which market you go to because the reality is the really top players are going elsewhere.
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Every signing is a gamble. But the likes of Cantwell will have a certain degree of value in England because he's played there before. Players like Aribo are far easier to sell for decent money compared to foreign players coming from our league
It doesn't mean that the players are better or worth more. But experience at a championship club in England means that if a younger English player can develop in Scotland then we won't be so low balled in the transfer market
Kyogo is unlikely to go for 20m+ compared to a player from the lower English leagues who has a similar ability. I don't think it's right and I think Kyogo is a phenomenal player
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Kyogo is unlikely to go for 20m+ compared to a player from the lower English leagues who has a similar ability. I don't think it's right and I think Kyogo is a phenomenal player
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Kyogo won’t go for that kind of money more because of his age now than anything else. Not completely disagreeing with your point, but a near 29 year old player in the lower English leagues wouldn’t go for that money either.
Yeah I think that's Celtic's gain though. He's probably not going to be hugely attractive for the money to clubs from bigger leagues down to his age which might ultimately mean he's here for another few years yet.
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Yeah I think that's Celtic's gain though. He's probably not going to be hugely attractive for the money to clubs from bigger leagues down to his age which might ultimately mean he's here for another few years yet.
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Will be a lot of change for us, but going on Beale’s first two signings and how he’s integrated them it bodes very well for summer.
We’ve typically been signing English speaking players, expect that will continue and can’t see any chance of us going to far east. Celtic have got great value, but also been a few now who havent settled yet anyway.
Clearly we’re not that far off Celtic, and think those attacking positions are a key difference, Celtic’s better quality there helps their consistency massively in my opinion. Looked to be a big gap in midfield to me too before we signed Cantwell and Raskin, but their performances have been promising.
Celtic will obviously look to strengthen too, ideally for us someone comes in for Jota or Kyogo though. But also seems a lot of squad players at Celtic who have only just been signed you’d be looking to improve on and already a good number out on loan, will some of them need to be punted first
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We’ve typically been signing English speaking players
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posted on 19/5/23
Having taken the 'low hanging fruit' I'm not sure the market there has such rich pickings any more? And his direct observations are 2 years old now. Our scouting teams will be looking at all markets, especially those we can afford to shop in.
posted on 19/5/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
Having taken the 'low hanging fruit' I'm not sure the market there has such rich pickings any more? And his direct observations are 2 years old now. Our scouting teams will be looking at all markets, especially those we can afford to shop in.
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could be right, or celtic will become more of a first pick for other players in Asia after seeing the success others have had and may favour you over other teams in bigger leagues?
posted on 19/5/23
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
Having taken the 'low hanging fruit' I'm not sure the market there has such rich pickings any more? And his direct observations are 2 years old now. Our scouting teams will be looking at all markets, especially those we can afford to shop in.
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could be right, or celtic will become more of a first pick for other players in Asia after seeing the success others have had and may favour you over other teams in bigger leagues?
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Maybe, or they look at Kobayashi, Ideguchi, Oh, Iwata and realise that the success rate is <50%?
I'm being a contrary bastirt but the point being I don't think anyone cares what nationality the successes are other than some Scottish or club trained talent is a bonus.
posted on 19/5/23
Further, I'd just like to acknowledge that I missed Abada from my list of unarguable successes. Thankfully, Hee... er, Call Sign acted as sweeper for me.
posted on 19/5/23
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comment by Silver (U6112)
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Having taken the 'low hanging fruit' I'm not sure the market there has such rich pickings any more? And his direct observations are 2 years old now. Our scouting teams will be looking at all markets, especially those we can afford to shop in.
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could be right, or celtic will become more of a first pick for other players in Asia after seeing the success others have had and may favour you over other teams in bigger leagues?
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Maybe, or they look at Kobayashi, Ideguchi, Oh, Iwata and realise that the success rate is <50%?
I'm being a contrary bastirt but the point being I don't think anyone cares what nationality the successes are other than some Scottish or club trained talent is a bonus.
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again could be, its still a clear advantage you hold over us in terms of scouting or markets to target. which is why i said it.
posted on 19/5/23
and like I said 2 of those players are up for POTY and prob enter in most fans opinions as being in top 3 players at the club.
I think most would say CCV, Hetate & Kyogo as being the best players for you this season. (lets not stretch it out to top 5 players because that clearly prob damages my point!)
posted on 19/5/23
I don't think Celtic's success in Japan/Far East is any different to any other market in that they will have to pick up talent that other clubs from bigger leagues have overlooked or players who are up and coming rather than established or just Scottish league level. If you look at the Japan squad it's full of players at big clubs in big leagues that Scottish teams can't compete with.
I don't think there's one market anymore that Scottish teams can look to where they will be able to take the best of the players available.
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I don't think Celtic's success in Japan/Far East is any different to any other market in that they will have to pick up talent that other clubs from bigger leagues have overlooked or players who are up and coming rather than established or just Scottish league level. If you look at the Japan squad it's full of players at big clubs in big leagues that Scottish teams can't compete with.
I don't think there's one market anymore that Scottish teams can look to where they will be able to take the best of the players available.
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Id say that their appeal is stronger as they can now cite examples of it working, rather than just theories of how it could work. the club may also be more trusting of those players and increase budgets for deals also.
posted on 19/5/23
It's more the fact that good players want to come to Celtic because they know who Ange is and the successes he's had. It's an advantage few old firm managers have had in a market that is not generally used
posted on 19/5/23
Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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A plan will certainly be in place so that when Ange leaves Celtic that Rangers have a good foundation of a squad that can capitalise any managerial transition periods. It's how Gerrard was able to win the league after Rodgers left
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Dont really agree with this, we cannot be reliant or plan for celtics downfall/regression/transition. We have to look at just improving as best we can on the budget available. No gurantees in Ange being there in August just the same as there is no guarantees he wont still be there in 4/5/6 years
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We can't be reliant on it but we certainly have to be prepared to take advantage of it. Gerard would never get the better of Rodgers and it's a huge challenge for Beale to complete with Ange. We don't want to be rebuilding at the same time celtic are.
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posted 47 seconds ago
Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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like I said the club could be more trusting of the market now, increase the budgets for these better players that are coming out there and going to other clubs. They will also have a mini culture within them that will be appealing to other asian players possibly.
jeez all I did was bring it up as an advantage that Ange / Celtic have and one they have used. I didnt think there would be much discussion about it !
posted on 19/5/23
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posted 3 minutes ago
Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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Rangers scouts won't have anywhere near the knowledge that Ange has of the Asian markets because he's able to identify players suited to his system.
posted on 19/5/23
I don't disagree with your point, I just don't think the Japanese/Far East market is a new one.
Scottish clubs sadly will still only be able to get the individuals other clubs with more resources from more glamourous leagues haven't taken.
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posted 47 seconds ago
Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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like I said the club could be more trusting of the market now, increase the budgets for these better players that are coming out there and going to other clubs. They will also have a mini culture within them that will be appealing to other asian players possibly.
jeez all I did was bring it up as an advantage that Ange / Celtic have and one they have used. I didnt think there would be much discussion about it !
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I can't see Rangers tapping into that market at the moment. Beale knows the English markets and the potential resale value they potentially have
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posted 3 minutes ago
Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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Rangers scouts won't have anywhere near the knowledge that Ange has of the Asian markets because he's able to identify players suited to his system.
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They absolutely will have knowledge of the markets, the up close detail I would agree with. But as Silver said there have been as many if not more misses as hits that Celtic have signed from there so every signing is a gamble regardless of which market you go to because the reality is the really top players are going elsewhere.
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posted 3 minutes ago
Sure if Rangers and Celtic go in for the same player the fact there is already representation at Celtic would probably be a factor for the player given its the same league and city. I can't see another situation where it would be relevant if players have offers from multiple clubs though.
Again though is there a likelihood that will happen?
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Rangers scouts won't have anywhere near the knowledge that Ange has of the Asian markets because he's able to identify players suited to his system.
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They absolutely will have knowledge of the markets, the up close detail I would agree with. But as Silver said there have been as many if not more misses as hits that Celtic have signed from there so every signing is a gamble regardless of which market you go to because the reality is the really top players are going elsewhere.
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Every signing is a gamble. But the likes of Cantwell will have a certain degree of value in England because he's played there before. Players like Aribo are far easier to sell for decent money compared to foreign players coming from our league
posted on 19/5/23
Yep agree with that
posted on 19/5/23
It doesn't mean that the players are better or worth more. But experience at a championship club in England means that if a younger English player can develop in Scotland then we won't be so low balled in the transfer market
posted on 19/5/23
Kyogo is unlikely to go for 20m+ compared to a player from the lower English leagues who has a similar ability. I don't think it's right and I think Kyogo is a phenomenal player
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posted 12 minutes ago
Kyogo is unlikely to go for 20m+ compared to a player from the lower English leagues who has a similar ability. I don't think it's right and I think Kyogo is a phenomenal player
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Kyogo won’t go for that kind of money more because of his age now than anything else. Not completely disagreeing with your point, but a near 29 year old player in the lower English leagues wouldn’t go for that money either.
posted on 19/5/23
Yeah I think that's Celtic's gain though. He's probably not going to be hugely attractive for the money to clubs from bigger leagues down to his age which might ultimately mean he's here for another few years yet.
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posted 37 minutes ago
Yeah I think that's Celtic's gain though. He's probably not going to be hugely attractive for the money to clubs from bigger leagues down to his age which might ultimately mean he's here for another few years yet.
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posted on 20/5/23
Will be a lot of change for us, but going on Beale’s first two signings and how he’s integrated them it bodes very well for summer.
We’ve typically been signing English speaking players, expect that will continue and can’t see any chance of us going to far east. Celtic have got great value, but also been a few now who havent settled yet anyway.
Clearly we’re not that far off Celtic, and think those attacking positions are a key difference, Celtic’s better quality there helps their consistency massively in my opinion. Looked to be a big gap in midfield to me too before we signed Cantwell and Raskin, but their performances have been promising.
Celtic will obviously look to strengthen too, ideally for us someone comes in for Jota or Kyogo though. But also seems a lot of squad players at Celtic who have only just been signed you’d be looking to improve on and already a good number out on loan, will some of them need to be punted first
posted on 20/5/23
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We’ve typically been signing English speaking players
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