Hopefully the signings start to come now. Could do with another 1st pick LCB and LB, plus another RB, LW and striker. Maybe 2 CB's if Strarfelt and Kobi get pumped!
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That’s the other Korean announced. The Polish CH is at Lennoxtown as well, so assume he’ll be announced today.
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nnh just forwarded me a picture of all 3 getting their picture taken.
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Did he, aye?
Got time to send you pics, but not got time to post on here?!
Pfft.
Tell him I said he’s a tadger then.
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i'm going to tell him you miss him.
Winning is better than getting scudded though
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posted 27 seconds ago
I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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tell me whats wrong you have banded every possible revenue possibility for europa but not the champ league.
Stewart Robertson was sacked! you keep saying him. you keep saying my figures are from the daily record.
I literally included the 5m in my breakdown.
the comparison is very clear.... far far more money in CL its not even close.
there is the actual complete breakdown showing you every single payment made direct from uefa....
3.4m for making the europa groups (not including the 5m)
14.8m for making the champ league groups. the prize money alone for making the groups in the champ league is more than the prize money, tickets, merch, sponsorship you get for the europa groups.
not to mention the sponsorship deal , merch and tickets are all more again for champ league.
did I take my figures from the record..... no I took them from uefa.
https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0277-158b0bea495a-ba6c18158cd3-1000/20220704_circular_2022_47_en.pdf
a complete breakdown of every possible bit of paid out money from uefa, for the champ league, europa and conference.
there is no comparison you get about 3 times as much for champ league as you do europa.
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Winning is better than getting scudded though
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After years of getting scudded and winning 2 from 15 trophies, you are well versed in the scudded department
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posted 11 minutes ago
I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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and like I said the uefa co-efficient rating over 10yr period is only paid to champ league teams NOT europa or conference. Add to that the bonus spillover revenue from the prize pot for cahmp league is far higher than europa.
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Winning is better than getting scudded though
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getting scudded cos teams have much more money than us aye??? hmmmmmm
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 11 minutes ago
I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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and like I said the uefa co-efficient rating over 10yr period is only paid to champ league teams NOT europa or conference. Add to that the bonus spillover revenue from the prize pot for cahmp league is far higher than europa.
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Wrong, again. There is a coefficient split, the fees are exactly as I said. Below gives a good overview
https://www.football-coefficient.eu/money/
cant believe someone is actually arguing that there isnt much difference in prize money between Europa and champ league !!
thats a new one that
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Winning is better than getting scudded though
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getting scudded cos teams have much more money than us aye??? hmmmmmm
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For the next couple years the difference between EL and CL isn’t great.
Coefficient is more important right now given the proposed 2025 club World Cup and the finances we’d get from that.
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I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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and like I said the uefa co-efficient rating over 10yr period is only paid to champ league teams NOT europa or conference. Add to that the bonus spillover revenue from the prize pot for cahmp league is far higher than europa.
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Wrong, again. There is a coefficient split, the fees are exactly as I said. Below gives a good overview
https://www.football-coefficient.eu/money/
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wrong
A total of 30 percent of the prize money (€600.6m) is paid out to all 32 clubs in the Champions League group stage based on a coefficient algorithm that ranks their European performance over a 10-year period.
"The teams are ranked according to this algorithm from No. 1 to No. 32, with bonus points given for hoisting European trophies. Then the money is paid out in shares, according to a team's rank. The lowest-ranked team earns one share (€1.137 million), while the top-ranked team earns 32 shares, or €36.38 million."
taken from uefa own page.
Competition Prize Money
UEFA Champions League €2.032 billion
UEFA Europa League €465 million
UEFA Conference League €235 million
The winner of the europa (in prize money alone) will earn the same amount as a team that just gets to the champ league.
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 27 seconds ago
I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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tell me whats wrong you have banded every possible revenue possibility for europa but not the champ league.
Stewart Robertson was sacked! you keep saying him. you keep saying my figures are from the daily record.
I literally included the 5m in my breakdown.
the comparison is very clear.... far far more money in CL its not even close.
there is the actual complete breakdown showing you every single payment made direct from uefa....
3.4m for making the europa groups (not including the 5m)
14.8m for making the champ league groups. the prize money alone for making the groups in the champ league is more than the prize money, tickets, merch, sponsorship you get for the europa groups.
not to mention the sponsorship deal , merch and tickets are all more again for champ league.
did I take my figures from the record..... no I took them from uefa.
https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0277-158b0bea495a-ba6c18158cd3-1000/20220704_circular_2022_47_en.pdf
a complete breakdown of every possible bit of paid out money from uefa, for the champ league, europa and conference.
there is no comparison you get about 3 times as much for champ league as you do europa.
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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40m was an estimated figure after working out ticket money, merch, sponsorship, prize money.
I have given the exact figures if you wanna go check them up.
uefa state the money is only paid out to champ league teams.
iv given the exact amounts .
8.8m (including the extra 5m) for europa group stage v 14.8m for champ league.
argue that.........
If you get to the europa league and win every single game in the groups you get 8.8m plus 3.2m = 12m
STILL LESS than just getting to the groups ....
max prize money possible from getting europa group stages:
13m (money for getting their bonus for winning 100% of games and winning the group)
minimum prize money for getting champ league in prize money: 14.8m.
You keep having a go at my figures most of them were off the top of my head at first then I had to go to uefa to get actual black and white figures cos you pushed for them. thats why the amounts changed slightly as I went on.
You on the other hand just keep saying the difference isnt much without actually proving it.
Iv shown the minimum amount of prize money for getting to the champ league is more than than absolute maximum you can get from the europa group stages. there is no argument.
Even if you forget the money side of things.
How many players when your targetting to sign them would rather play in the europa than the champ league?
Champ league is also a huge selling point to other players and we have bagged many that have said they champ league was a huge factor.
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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40m was an estimated figure after working out ticket money, merch, sponsorship, prize money.
I have given the exact figures if you wanna go check them up.
uefa state the money is only paid out to champ league teams.
iv given the exact amounts .
8.8m (including the extra 5m) for europa group stage v 14.8m for champ league.
argue that.........
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Where are the figures from sponsorship, merch coming from? Money from Uefa was 17.5m. Ticket money maybe profit your talking what 7m at most. There is no support whatsoever for that 40m. We’ll get more cash from our sponsors for getting to CL, can’t see it being more than a few mil. Merch don’t see it having an impact really.
And I’ve been giving exact amounts this whole time Why I was referring to coefficient split, Majer share etc an hour ago…
Your 8.8m is wrong. You can go on to that Uefa link you posted yourself, total coefficient payment for Europa is 70m. Highest ranked team gets 4m, we’d be in pot one but is over ten years so a bit lower, my 2m is prudent. Then there’s the market share which is 140m pool to be shared, share depends how many other Scottish clubs get in. Assuming none.
So it’s 11m min before any points.
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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40m was an estimated figure after working out ticket money, merch, sponsorship, prize money.
I have given the exact figures if you wanna go check them up.
uefa state the money is only paid out to champ league teams.
iv given the exact amounts .
8.8m (including the extra 5m) for europa group stage v 14.8m for champ league.
argue that.........
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Where are the figures from sponsorship, merch coming from? Money from Uefa was 17.5m. Ticket money maybe profit your talking what 7m at most. There is no support whatsoever for that 40m. We’ll get more cash from our sponsors for getting to CL, can’t see it being more than a few mil. Merch don’t see it having an impact really.
And I’ve been giving exact amounts this whole timeWhy I was referring to coefficient split, Majer share etc an hour ago…
Your 8.8m is wrong. You can go on to that Uefa link you posted yourself, total coefficient payment for Europa is 70m. Highest ranked team gets 4m, we’d be in pot one but is over ten years so a bit lower, my 2m is prudent. Then there’s the market share which is 140m pool to be shared, share depends how many other Scottish clubs get in. Assuming none.
So it’s 11m min before any points.
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I dont see it being any different... i dont think its much difference. provide actual data and amounts to back it up.
nevermind... Im not having a argument anymore with someone who thinks there isnt much difference financially between the champ league and the europa.
minimum prize money for champ league groups is more than the maximum prize money possibly earned from europa groups stage.
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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40m was an estimated figure after working out ticket money, merch, sponsorship, prize money.
I have given the exact figures if you wanna go check them up.
uefa state the money is only paid out to champ league teams.
iv given the exact amounts .
8.8m (including the extra 5m) for europa group stage v 14.8m for champ league.
argue that.........
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Where are the figures from sponsorship, merch coming from? Money from Uefa was 17.5m. Ticket money maybe profit your talking what 7m at most. There is no support whatsoever for that 40m. We’ll get more cash from our sponsors for getting to CL, can’t see it being more than a few mil. Merch don’t see it having an impact really.
And I’ve been giving exact amounts this whole timeWhy I was referring to coefficient split, Majer share etc an hour ago…
Your 8.8m is wrong. You can go on to that Uefa link you posted yourself, total coefficient payment for Europa is 70m. Highest ranked team gets 4m, we’d be in pot one but is over ten years so a bit lower, my 2m is prudent. Then there’s the market share which is 140m pool to be shared, share depends how many other Scottish clubs get in. Assuming none.
So it’s 11m min before any points.
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I dont see it being any different... i dont think its much difference. provide actual data and amounts to back it up.
nevermind... Im not having a argument anymore with someone who thinks there isnt much difference financially between the champ league and the europa.
minimum prize money for champ league groups is more than the maximum prize money possibly earned from europa groups stage.
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It’s not you won’t, you simply can’t, you’ve just been posting schite half this time. I provided a full breakdown in a previous comment before you’d even googled! And just outlined how it’d be 11m before any results.
Last year was 17.5m for CL, which isn’t too different to your revised figure. So if you win 12 points or so in EL this year it’d be 13/14m vs 19m.
The prize funds are massively different, but not for us because we won’t get many if any points and our coefficient puts us at the bottom for the CL. The difference for Celtic would be massive, they got an extra 8m last year given their coefficient share.
mate you think the money differecen betwen the two is actually that much despite it being huge.....
the minimum we get for the champ league groups is more than the maximum possible from the europa. FACT max possible from the europa:
8.8m for group qualication (includes the 5m from playoffs) win all 6 games and win the group 3.78m
topping the group - 1m
total : 13.5m
champ league: just being there nothing else 14.8m
you didnt provide a fuill breakdown ... I did, I gave you the exact link to uefa page where the state every possible payment possible.
so as the argument started ideal scenario, come third in champ league and go into europa.
most money banked and chance at restoring some co-efficient points.
no brainer.
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posted 11 minutes ago
mate you think the money differecen betwen the two is actually that much despite it being huge.....
the minimum we get for the champ league groups is more than the maximum possible from the europa. FACT max possible from the europa:
8.8m for group qualication (includes the 5m from playoffs) win all 6 games and win the group 3.78m
topping the group - 1m
total : 13.5m
champ league: just being there nothing else 14.8m
you didnt provide a fuill breakdown ... I did, I gave you the exact link to uefa page where the state every possible payment possible.
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I figured you’d have access to google and actually use it
You can go back to my comments from hours ago, before you posted the link, I’ve always referred to parachute payments, coefficient, that EL we’d get roughly 14m etc
My story hasn’t changed. You’ve jumped massively from 40m, to actually googling, still saying there is no coefficient in EL etc.
Now rabbiting on about total prize funds and me saying there is no difference, even though that’s not what ive said. I’m talking specifically about us, CL money split changed a few years ago, we’re worse off from it and as I said 4 hours ago Celtic would’ve got an extra 8m or so because of that coefficient split. And as I said hours ago, getting 3rd in CL would obv be better and ideal scenario. But getting third is a stretch and if we got no points again, it’s not that different to if we won the EL group.
yeah your doing that cos you can then just mkae up stuff without having to back anything up and proivide actual figures.
I have given actual figures stuff that you can actually check up.
I havent jumped from 40m at all..... I have given the figures that are available in black and white and used the commonely reported figures for the rest.
your just making up your own and providing zero actual figures or evidence to back it up.
facts are your get more from champ league than you do if we go on the actual black and white figures.
you could always just prove me wrong and back up the stuff you say.
how much did we get for getting to champ league final compared to how much we got for europa? you seem to dismiss my figures very easily ... so you must have this info to be able to shoot them figures down.
so lets have them to be able to quash my figures you must know the actual figures I assume?
min champ league 14.8m (no bonus' paid at all)
max europa league 13.5m (including winning every single game and topping the group)
then add on every other payment that comes in that will be more, sponsors, tickets and merch.
no much difference!!
"we’re worse off from it and as I said 4 hours ago"
fs so now its went from not that big a difference to you now saying we would be worse off getting into champ league !!
go lie donn man
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posted on 24/7/23
Hopefully the signings start to come now. Could do with another 1st pick LCB and LB, plus another RB, LW and striker. Maybe 2 CB's if Strarfelt and Kobi get pumped!
posted on 24/7/23
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comment by JFK (U8919)
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That’s the other Korean announced. The Polish CH is at Lennoxtown as well, so assume he’ll be announced today.
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nnh just forwarded me a picture of all 3 getting their picture taken.
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Did he, aye?
Got time to send you pics, but not got time to post on here?!
Pfft.
Tell him I said he’s a tadger then.
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i'm going to tell him you miss him.
posted on 24/7/23
Winning is better than getting scudded though
posted on 24/7/23
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 27 seconds ago
I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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tell me whats wrong you have banded every possible revenue possibility for europa but not the champ league.
Stewart Robertson was sacked! you keep saying him. you keep saying my figures are from the daily record.
I literally included the 5m in my breakdown.
the comparison is very clear.... far far more money in CL its not even close.
there is the actual complete breakdown showing you every single payment made direct from uefa....
3.4m for making the europa groups (not including the 5m)
14.8m for making the champ league groups. the prize money alone for making the groups in the champ league is more than the prize money, tickets, merch, sponsorship you get for the europa groups.
not to mention the sponsorship deal , merch and tickets are all more again for champ league.
did I take my figures from the record..... no I took them from uefa.
https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0277-158b0bea495a-ba6c18158cd3-1000/20220704_circular_2022_47_en.pdf
a complete breakdown of every possible bit of paid out money from uefa, for the champ league, europa and conference.
there is no comparison you get about 3 times as much for champ league as you do europa.
posted on 24/7/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
Winning is better than getting scudded though
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After years of getting scudded and winning 2 from 15 trophies, you are well versed in the scudded department
posted on 24/7/23
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 11 minutes ago
I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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and like I said the uefa co-efficient rating over 10yr period is only paid to champ league teams NOT europa or conference. Add to that the bonus spillover revenue from the prize pot for cahmp league is far higher than europa.
posted on 24/7/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
Winning is better than getting scudded though
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getting scudded cos teams have much more money than us aye??? hmmmmmm
posted on 24/7/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 11 minutes ago
I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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and like I said the uefa co-efficient rating over 10yr period is only paid to champ league teams NOT europa or conference. Add to that the bonus spillover revenue from the prize pot for cahmp league is far higher than europa.
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Wrong, again. There is a coefficient split, the fees are exactly as I said. Below gives a good overview
https://www.football-coefficient.eu/money/
posted on 24/7/23
cant believe someone is actually arguing that there isnt much difference in prize money between Europa and champ league !!
thats a new one that
posted on 24/7/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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Winning is better than getting scudded though
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getting scudded cos teams have much more money than us aye??? hmmmmmm
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For the next couple years the difference between EL and CL isn’t great.
Coefficient is more important right now given the proposed 2025 club World Cup and the finances we’d get from that.
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I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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and like I said the uefa co-efficient rating over 10yr period is only paid to champ league teams NOT europa or conference. Add to that the bonus spillover revenue from the prize pot for cahmp league is far higher than europa.
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Wrong, again. There is a coefficient split, the fees are exactly as I said. Below gives a good overview
https://www.football-coefficient.eu/money/
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wrong
A total of 30 percent of the prize money (€600.6m) is paid out to all 32 clubs in the Champions League group stage based on a coefficient algorithm that ranks their European performance over a 10-year period.
"The teams are ranked according to this algorithm from No. 1 to No. 32, with bonus points given for hoisting European trophies. Then the money is paid out in shares, according to a team's rank. The lowest-ranked team earns one share (€1.137 million), while the top-ranked team earns 32 shares, or €36.38 million."
taken from uefa own page.
Competition Prize Money
UEFA Champions League €2.032 billion
UEFA Europa League €465 million
UEFA Conference League €235 million
The winner of the europa (in prize money alone) will earn the same amount as a team that just gets to the champ league.
posted on 24/7/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 27 seconds ago
I kept saying it was schite and I’d literally quoted Stewart Robertson saying that before you’ve now googled. The fee was roughly 17.5m last year before tickets. The prize money in the CL is way higher. But clearly need to get points on board for that to come into play…
The fee for EL groups if we get to CL playoff is 7m, there’s a 5m parachute payment. Our coefficient would now get us a 2m + share. Tv/market share depends how many clubs from Scotland are in. Likely 2m at least assuming Aberdeen don’t qualify. Then it’s almost 200k a point. So get 10 points and you’re talking 13m vs 19m or so losing every CL game. So not that different right now.
Saying 19m this year in CL as we’d get more of the coefficient split as it’s over 10 years.
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tell me whats wrong you have banded every possible revenue possibility for europa but not the champ league.
Stewart Robertson was sacked! you keep saying him. you keep saying my figures are from the daily record.
I literally included the 5m in my breakdown.
the comparison is very clear.... far far more money in CL its not even close.
there is the actual complete breakdown showing you every single payment made direct from uefa....
3.4m for making the europa groups (not including the 5m)
14.8m for making the champ league groups. the prize money alone for making the groups in the champ league is more than the prize money, tickets, merch, sponsorship you get for the europa groups.
not to mention the sponsorship deal , merch and tickets are all more again for champ league.
did I take my figures from the record..... no I took them from uefa.
https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0277-158b0bea495a-ba6c18158cd3-1000/20220704_circular_2022_47_en.pdf
a complete breakdown of every possible bit of paid out money from uefa, for the champ league, europa and conference.
there is no comparison you get about 3 times as much for champ league as you do europa.
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 seconds ago
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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40m was an estimated figure after working out ticket money, merch, sponsorship, prize money.
I have given the exact figures if you wanna go check them up.
uefa state the money is only paid out to champ league teams.
iv given the exact amounts .
8.8m (including the extra 5m) for europa group stage v 14.8m for champ league.
argue that.........
posted on 24/7/23
If you get to the europa league and win every single game in the groups you get 8.8m plus 3.2m = 12m
STILL LESS than just getting to the groups ....
posted on 24/7/23
max prize money possible from getting europa group stages:
13m (money for getting their bonus for winning 100% of games and winning the group)
minimum prize money for getting champ league in prize money: 14.8m.
posted on 24/7/23
You keep having a go at my figures most of them were off the top of my head at first then I had to go to uefa to get actual black and white figures cos you pushed for them. thats why the amounts changed slightly as I went on.
You on the other hand just keep saying the difference isnt much without actually proving it.
Iv shown the minimum amount of prize money for getting to the champ league is more than than absolute maximum you can get from the europa group stages. there is no argument.
Even if you forget the money side of things.
How many players when your targetting to sign them would rather play in the europa than the champ league?
Champ league is also a huge selling point to other players and we have bagged many that have said they champ league was a huge factor.
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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posted 27 seconds ago
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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40m was an estimated figure after working out ticket money, merch, sponsorship, prize money.
I have given the exact figures if you wanna go check them up.
uefa state the money is only paid out to champ league teams.
iv given the exact amounts .
8.8m (including the extra 5m) for europa group stage v 14.8m for champ league.
argue that.........
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Where are the figures from sponsorship, merch coming from? Money from Uefa was 17.5m. Ticket money maybe profit your talking what 7m at most. There is no support whatsoever for that 40m. We’ll get more cash from our sponsors for getting to CL, can’t see it being more than a few mil. Merch don’t see it having an impact really.
And I’ve been giving exact amounts this whole time Why I was referring to coefficient split, Majer share etc an hour ago…
Your 8.8m is wrong. You can go on to that Uefa link you posted yourself, total coefficient payment for Europa is 70m. Highest ranked team gets 4m, we’d be in pot one but is over ten years so a bit lower, my 2m is prudent. Then there’s the market share which is 140m pool to be shared, share depends how many other Scottish clubs get in. Assuming none.
So it’s 11m min before any points.
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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40m was an estimated figure after working out ticket money, merch, sponsorship, prize money.
I have given the exact figures if you wanna go check them up.
uefa state the money is only paid out to champ league teams.
iv given the exact amounts .
8.8m (including the extra 5m) for europa group stage v 14.8m for champ league.
argue that.........
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Where are the figures from sponsorship, merch coming from? Money from Uefa was 17.5m. Ticket money maybe profit your talking what 7m at most. There is no support whatsoever for that 40m. We’ll get more cash from our sponsors for getting to CL, can’t see it being more than a few mil. Merch don’t see it having an impact really.
And I’ve been giving exact amounts this whole timeWhy I was referring to coefficient split, Majer share etc an hour ago…
Your 8.8m is wrong. You can go on to that Uefa link you posted yourself, total coefficient payment for Europa is 70m. Highest ranked team gets 4m, we’d be in pot one but is over ten years so a bit lower, my 2m is prudent. Then there’s the market share which is 140m pool to be shared, share depends how many other Scottish clubs get in. Assuming none.
So it’s 11m min before any points.
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I dont see it being any different... i dont think its much difference. provide actual data and amounts to back it up.
nevermind... Im not having a argument anymore with someone who thinks there isnt much difference financially between the champ league and the europa.
minimum prize money for champ league groups is more than the maximum prize money possibly earned from europa groups stage.
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
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posted 7 seconds ago
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posted 27 seconds ago
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You started off at 40m… and continued with that figure for about 10 replies despite not saying where it’s from
So Robertson and every other source which suggest fee was only 17m was wrong?
You’ve said the Europa fee was:
“posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
europa -
3m for reaching groups
200k a point in groups
win the group - 1m
tv revenue split (dependent on how far you reach)”
So massively underplayed it. You didn’t include the 5m parachute payment. You’ve then said there’s no coefficient payment in Europa league…there is.
You’re all over the place
The CL is massively more profitable if you’re winning games, and if we had a ten year coefficient (as I’ve said numerous times).
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40m was an estimated figure after working out ticket money, merch, sponsorship, prize money.
I have given the exact figures if you wanna go check them up.
uefa state the money is only paid out to champ league teams.
iv given the exact amounts .
8.8m (including the extra 5m) for europa group stage v 14.8m for champ league.
argue that.........
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Where are the figures from sponsorship, merch coming from? Money from Uefa was 17.5m. Ticket money maybe profit your talking what 7m at most. There is no support whatsoever for that 40m. We’ll get more cash from our sponsors for getting to CL, can’t see it being more than a few mil. Merch don’t see it having an impact really.
And I’ve been giving exact amounts this whole timeWhy I was referring to coefficient split, Majer share etc an hour ago…
Your 8.8m is wrong. You can go on to that Uefa link you posted yourself, total coefficient payment for Europa is 70m. Highest ranked team gets 4m, we’d be in pot one but is over ten years so a bit lower, my 2m is prudent. Then there’s the market share which is 140m pool to be shared, share depends how many other Scottish clubs get in. Assuming none.
So it’s 11m min before any points.
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I dont see it being any different... i dont think its much difference. provide actual data and amounts to back it up.
nevermind... Im not having a argument anymore with someone who thinks there isnt much difference financially between the champ league and the europa.
minimum prize money for champ league groups is more than the maximum prize money possibly earned from europa groups stage.
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It’s not you won’t, you simply can’t, you’ve just been posting schite half this time. I provided a full breakdown in a previous comment before you’d even googled! And just outlined how it’d be 11m before any results.
Last year was 17.5m for CL, which isn’t too different to your revised figure. So if you win 12 points or so in EL this year it’d be 13/14m vs 19m.
The prize funds are massively different, but not for us because we won’t get many if any points and our coefficient puts us at the bottom for the CL. The difference for Celtic would be massive, they got an extra 8m last year given their coefficient share.
posted on 24/7/23
mate you think the money differecen betwen the two is actually that much despite it being huge.....
the minimum we get for the champ league groups is more than the maximum possible from the europa. FACT max possible from the europa:
8.8m for group qualication (includes the 5m from playoffs) win all 6 games and win the group 3.78m
topping the group - 1m
total : 13.5m
champ league: just being there nothing else 14.8m
you didnt provide a fuill breakdown ... I did, I gave you the exact link to uefa page where the state every possible payment possible.
posted on 24/7/23
so as the argument started ideal scenario, come third in champ league and go into europa.
most money banked and chance at restoring some co-efficient points.
no brainer.
posted on 24/7/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 11 minutes ago
mate you think the money differecen betwen the two is actually that much despite it being huge.....
the minimum we get for the champ league groups is more than the maximum possible from the europa. FACT max possible from the europa:
8.8m for group qualication (includes the 5m from playoffs) win all 6 games and win the group 3.78m
topping the group - 1m
total : 13.5m
champ league: just being there nothing else 14.8m
you didnt provide a fuill breakdown ... I did, I gave you the exact link to uefa page where the state every possible payment possible.
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I figured you’d have access to google and actually use it
You can go back to my comments from hours ago, before you posted the link, I’ve always referred to parachute payments, coefficient, that EL we’d get roughly 14m etc
My story hasn’t changed. You’ve jumped massively from 40m, to actually googling, still saying there is no coefficient in EL etc.
Now rabbiting on about total prize funds and me saying there is no difference, even though that’s not what ive said. I’m talking specifically about us, CL money split changed a few years ago, we’re worse off from it and as I said 4 hours ago Celtic would’ve got an extra 8m or so because of that coefficient split. And as I said hours ago, getting 3rd in CL would obv be better and ideal scenario. But getting third is a stretch and if we got no points again, it’s not that different to if we won the EL group.
posted on 24/7/23
yeah your doing that cos you can then just mkae up stuff without having to back anything up and proivide actual figures.
I have given actual figures stuff that you can actually check up.
I havent jumped from 40m at all..... I have given the figures that are available in black and white and used the commonely reported figures for the rest.
your just making up your own and providing zero actual figures or evidence to back it up.
facts are your get more from champ league than you do if we go on the actual black and white figures.
you could always just prove me wrong and back up the stuff you say.
how much did we get for getting to champ league final compared to how much we got for europa? you seem to dismiss my figures very easily ... so you must have this info to be able to shoot them figures down.
so lets have them to be able to quash my figures you must know the actual figures I assume?
min champ league 14.8m (no bonus' paid at all)
max europa league 13.5m (including winning every single game and topping the group)
then add on every other payment that comes in that will be more, sponsors, tickets and merch.
no much difference!!
posted on 24/7/23
"we’re worse off from it and as I said 4 hours ago"
fs so now its went from not that big a difference to you now saying we would be worse off getting into champ league !!
go lie donn man
posted on 24/7/23
300!
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