comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 41 minutes ago
For me the rashford one, hes gone down under less contact than Szoboszlai, both aren't gonna be overturned once given. You could argue both defenders made a challenge got nothing of the ball but something of the player its their own fault. Both are soft in the sense that theres clearly not enough to send them to the ground like they did. But it'd be impossible to consistently turn down these as pens.
The red card was harsh i felt there was cover and he wasn't really last man denying a clear goal scoring chance felt there was still a lot more work to do from there to score.
Romero handball would have been harsh as i felt its natural movement the pace and proximity of the ball etc. But then if you look from an attackers POV its a good shot with all the chance of going in and its denied by an arm. Hes made a lunge to block the ball its hit his arm...
Maybe it comes down to accountability?
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What's your view in the Martinez challenge on Romero. I am comfortable that it wasn't given a pen but the contact is about 100 times that on Rashford and that Liverpool player. Seems to me that sometime minimal contact is enough but big contact (like Onana too) is waved away.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 41 minutes ago
For me the rashford one, hes gone down under less contact than Szoboszlai, both aren't gonna be overturned once given. You could argue both defenders made a challenge got nothing of the ball but something of the player its their own fault. Both are soft in the sense that theres clearly not enough to send them to the ground like they did. But it'd be impossible to consistently turn down these as pens.
The red card was harsh i felt there was cover and he wasn't really last man denying a clear goal scoring chance felt there was still a lot more work to do from there to score.
Romero handball would have been harsh as i felt its natural movement the pace and proximity of the ball etc. But then if you look from an attackers POV its a good shot with all the chance of going in and its denied by an arm. Hes made a lunge to block the ball its hit his arm...
Maybe it comes down to accountability?
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What's your view in the Martinez challenge on Romero. I am comfortable that it wasn't given a pen but the contact is about 100 times that on Rashford and that Liverpool player. Seems to me that sometime minimal contact is enough but big contact (like Onana too) is waved away.
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Wasn't that more of a shoulder to shoulder where butcher was just too strong or am I thinking of a different incident?
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
It was a penalty.
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Looked like a dive to me. Glad it was given though!
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
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Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 41 minutes ago
For me the rashford one, hes gone down under less contact than Szoboszlai, both aren't gonna be overturned once given. You could argue both defenders made a challenge got nothing of the ball but something of the player its their own fault. Both are soft in the sense that theres clearly not enough to send them to the ground like they did. But it'd be impossible to consistently turn down these as pens.
The red card was harsh i felt there was cover and he wasn't really last man denying a clear goal scoring chance felt there was still a lot more work to do from there to score.
Romero handball would have been harsh as i felt its natural movement the pace and proximity of the ball etc. But then if you look from an attackers POV its a good shot with all the chance of going in and its denied by an arm. Hes made a lunge to block the ball its hit his arm...
Maybe it comes down to accountability?
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What's your view in the Martinez challenge on Romero. I am comfortable that it wasn't given a pen but the contact is about 100 times that on Rashford and that Liverpool player. Seems to me that sometime minimal contact is enough but big contact (like Onana too) is waved away.
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neither got the ball if i remember? it was an off the field race to it side by side both put a leg out to the ball neither got it but they came together. Martinez strength won Romero was more interested in going down.
Be interesting to see if Romero had gone in with the same intent as the midget and sent him flying and spurs scored right after if the ref had have given a foul though.
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
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Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
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Suggesting Grealish is always diving marks you down as either a sterotypical idiot from Facebook or someone who doesn't actually watch football.
Possibly both.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
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Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
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Suggesting Grealish is always diving marks you down as either a sterotypical idiot from Facebook or someone who doesn't actually watch football.
Possibly both.
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You must be all three above and blind
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
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Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
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Suggesting Grealish is always diving marks you down as either a sterotypical idiot from Facebook or someone who doesn't actually watch football.
Possibly both.
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You must be all three above and blind
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No, I just watch a lot of football.
Here's a good article about Grealish, United and VAR favouring you.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jun/04/jack-grealish-ruling-in-fa-cup-final-further-proves-absurdity-of-handball
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 32 seconds ago
The red card was harsh I thought. Very subjective though so not something VAR would overturn.
The pen was pretty clear.
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VAR should at the min send him to the monitor though, theres no way he can see better than video replays of the position of covering defenders etc. He can still choose to stand with his decision.
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But VAR is only supposed to ask the ref to review his decision if the video ref concludes it was a clear and obvious error. What you're suggesting sounds like asking him to look again if you don't think the original decision was obviously right, which is different.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
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Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Suggesting Grealish is always diving marks you down as either a sterotypical idiot from Facebook or someone who doesn't actually watch football.
Possibly both.
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You must be all three above and blind
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No, I just watch a lot of football.
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Think most of us do on here Boris , Rashford does like dive and so does Bruno but I can’t believe your serious Jack doesn’t like one too
The ball's tied to his bootlace 9not literally) and he gets as close to the defender as possible which is why he's always getting fouled.
To suggest he dives all the the time though is wrong.
Can’t believe this is even a discussion. It was a penalty all day. It would’ve been a penalty for anyone. If you want to contest anything it’d be the red card. Thought that was harsh, and a few of the yellow cards. The Onana and Rashford ones were ridiculous.
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 41 minutes ago
For me the rashford one, hes gone down under less contact than Szoboszlai, both aren't gonna be overturned once given. You could argue both defenders made a challenge got nothing of the ball but something of the player its their own fault. Both are soft in the sense that theres clearly not enough to send them to the ground like they did. But it'd be impossible to consistently turn down these as pens.
The red card was harsh i felt there was cover and he wasn't really last man denying a clear goal scoring chance felt there was still a lot more work to do from there to score.
Romero handball would have been harsh as i felt its natural movement the pace and proximity of the ball etc. But then if you look from an attackers POV its a good shot with all the chance of going in and its denied by an arm. Hes made a lunge to block the ball its hit his arm...
Maybe it comes down to accountability?
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What's your view in the Martinez challenge on Romero. I am comfortable that it wasn't given a pen but the contact is about 100 times that on Rashford and that Liverpool player. Seems to me that sometime minimal contact is enough but big contact (like Onana too) is waved away.
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Wasn't that more of a shoulder to shoulder where butcher was just too strong or am I thinking of a different incident?
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That's the one. But to me it was shoulder and leg hard into Romero, no contact with the ball.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELuS0vRpj8
Like I said, minimal contact sees a player hit the deck and foul/pen given. Why is a big hard barge allowed?
I'd rather the game was played hard like Martinez and Romero do, but few are like that. Most look for any contact and it's backed up by refs and pundits as an acceptable way to play.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
The ball's tied to his bootlace 9not literally) and he gets as close to the defender as possible which is why he's always getting fouled.
To suggest he dives all the the time though is wrong.
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Grealish dives more than any player in the league. He's excellent at drawing fouls then diving. He's whole game is based on it. Get close to me I'm going down, don't get close to me I'm going past you.
Grealish stats from the weekend
Passes 12
Shots 2
Time on ground 84.32
Time on feet 6.28
Dives 74
Legitimate fouls 1
United management need to start complaining about decisions. And the press. To counter the narrative. These things so play into the minds of refs and officials.
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posted on 28/8/23
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 41 minutes ago
For me the rashford one, hes gone down under less contact than Szoboszlai, both aren't gonna be overturned once given. You could argue both defenders made a challenge got nothing of the ball but something of the player its their own fault. Both are soft in the sense that theres clearly not enough to send them to the ground like they did. But it'd be impossible to consistently turn down these as pens.
The red card was harsh i felt there was cover and he wasn't really last man denying a clear goal scoring chance felt there was still a lot more work to do from there to score.
Romero handball would have been harsh as i felt its natural movement the pace and proximity of the ball etc. But then if you look from an attackers POV its a good shot with all the chance of going in and its denied by an arm. Hes made a lunge to block the ball its hit his arm...
Maybe it comes down to accountability?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's your view in the Martinez challenge on Romero. I am comfortable that it wasn't given a pen but the contact is about 100 times that on Rashford and that Liverpool player. Seems to me that sometime minimal contact is enough but big contact (like Onana too) is waved away.
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 41 minutes ago
For me the rashford one, hes gone down under less contact than Szoboszlai, both aren't gonna be overturned once given. You could argue both defenders made a challenge got nothing of the ball but something of the player its their own fault. Both are soft in the sense that theres clearly not enough to send them to the ground like they did. But it'd be impossible to consistently turn down these as pens.
The red card was harsh i felt there was cover and he wasn't really last man denying a clear goal scoring chance felt there was still a lot more work to do from there to score.
Romero handball would have been harsh as i felt its natural movement the pace and proximity of the ball etc. But then if you look from an attackers POV its a good shot with all the chance of going in and its denied by an arm. Hes made a lunge to block the ball its hit his arm...
Maybe it comes down to accountability?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's your view in the Martinez challenge on Romero. I am comfortable that it wasn't given a pen but the contact is about 100 times that on Rashford and that Liverpool player. Seems to me that sometime minimal contact is enough but big contact (like Onana too) is waved away.
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Wasn't that more of a shoulder to shoulder where butcher was just too strong or am I thinking of a different incident?
posted on 28/8/23
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
posted on 28/8/23
It was a penalty.
—
Looked like a dive to me. Glad it was given though!
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
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Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 41 minutes ago
For me the rashford one, hes gone down under less contact than Szoboszlai, both aren't gonna be overturned once given. You could argue both defenders made a challenge got nothing of the ball but something of the player its their own fault. Both are soft in the sense that theres clearly not enough to send them to the ground like they did. But it'd be impossible to consistently turn down these as pens.
The red card was harsh i felt there was cover and he wasn't really last man denying a clear goal scoring chance felt there was still a lot more work to do from there to score.
Romero handball would have been harsh as i felt its natural movement the pace and proximity of the ball etc. But then if you look from an attackers POV its a good shot with all the chance of going in and its denied by an arm. Hes made a lunge to block the ball its hit his arm...
Maybe it comes down to accountability?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's your view in the Martinez challenge on Romero. I am comfortable that it wasn't given a pen but the contact is about 100 times that on Rashford and that Liverpool player. Seems to me that sometime minimal contact is enough but big contact (like Onana too) is waved away.
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neither got the ball if i remember? it was an off the field race to it side by side both put a leg out to the ball neither got it but they came together. Martinez strength won Romero was more interested in going down.
Be interesting to see if Romero had gone in with the same intent as the midget and sent him flying and spurs scored right after if the ref had have given a foul though.
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
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Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Suggesting Grealish is always diving marks you down as either a sterotypical idiot from Facebook or someone who doesn't actually watch football.
Possibly both.
posted on 28/8/23
off the ball*
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Suggesting Grealish is always diving marks you down as either a sterotypical idiot from Facebook or someone who doesn't actually watch football.
Possibly both.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You must be all three above and blind
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Suggesting Grealish is always diving marks you down as either a sterotypical idiot from Facebook or someone who doesn't actually watch football.
Possibly both.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You must be all three above and blind
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, I just watch a lot of football.
posted on 28/8/23
Here's a good article about Grealish, United and VAR favouring you.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jun/04/jack-grealish-ruling-in-fa-cup-final-further-proves-absurdity-of-handball
posted on 28/8/23
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 32 seconds ago
The red card was harsh I thought. Very subjective though so not something VAR would overturn.
The pen was pretty clear.
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VAR should at the min send him to the monitor though, theres no way he can see better than video replays of the position of covering defenders etc. He can still choose to stand with his decision.
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But VAR is only supposed to ask the ref to review his decision if the video ref concludes it was a clear and obvious error. What you're suggesting sounds like asking him to look again if you don't think the original decision was obviously right, which is different.
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona - 👓 a 🐮 in the (_•_) (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://dubz.co/c/c8e6fb
The 3rd angle shows how Rashford played for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Listen to this man he watches Grealish every week so knows the diving black arts better than anyone
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Suggesting Grealish is always diving marks you down as either a sterotypical idiot from Facebook or someone who doesn't actually watch football.
Possibly both.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You must be all three above and blind
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, I just watch a lot of football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think most of us do on here Boris , Rashford does like dive and so does Bruno but I can’t believe your serious Jack doesn’t like one too
posted on 28/8/23
The ball's tied to his bootlace 9not literally) and he gets as close to the defender as possible which is why he's always getting fouled.
To suggest he dives all the the time though is wrong.
posted on 28/8/23
Can’t believe this is even a discussion. It was a penalty all day. It would’ve been a penalty for anyone. If you want to contest anything it’d be the red card. Thought that was harsh, and a few of the yellow cards. The Onana and Rashford ones were ridiculous.
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 41 minutes ago
For me the rashford one, hes gone down under less contact than Szoboszlai, both aren't gonna be overturned once given. You could argue both defenders made a challenge got nothing of the ball but something of the player its their own fault. Both are soft in the sense that theres clearly not enough to send them to the ground like they did. But it'd be impossible to consistently turn down these as pens.
The red card was harsh i felt there was cover and he wasn't really last man denying a clear goal scoring chance felt there was still a lot more work to do from there to score.
Romero handball would have been harsh as i felt its natural movement the pace and proximity of the ball etc. But then if you look from an attackers POV its a good shot with all the chance of going in and its denied by an arm. Hes made a lunge to block the ball its hit his arm...
Maybe it comes down to accountability?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's your view in the Martinez challenge on Romero. I am comfortable that it wasn't given a pen but the contact is about 100 times that on Rashford and that Liverpool player. Seems to me that sometime minimal contact is enough but big contact (like Onana too) is waved away.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wasn't that more of a shoulder to shoulder where butcher was just too strong or am I thinking of a different incident?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the one. But to me it was shoulder and leg hard into Romero, no contact with the ball.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELuS0vRpj8
Like I said, minimal contact sees a player hit the deck and foul/pen given. Why is a big hard barge allowed?
I'd rather the game was played hard like Martinez and Romero do, but few are like that. Most look for any contact and it's backed up by refs and pundits as an acceptable way to play.
posted on 28/8/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
The ball's tied to his bootlace 9not literally) and he gets as close to the defender as possible which is why he's always getting fouled.
To suggest he dives all the the time though is wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Grealish dives more than any player in the league. He's excellent at drawing fouls then diving. He's whole game is based on it. Get close to me I'm going down, don't get close to me I'm going past you.
posted on 29/8/23
Grealish stats from the weekend
Passes 12
Shots 2
Time on ground 84.32
Time on feet 6.28
Dives 74
Legitimate fouls 1
posted on 29/8/23
United management need to start complaining about decisions. And the press. To counter the narrative. These things so play into the minds of refs and officials.
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