comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 50 minutes ago
I never compared mcgregor and lundstram in my earlier post.
I mentioned some celtic fans on here are not happy with mcgregor.
I said how Rangers fans felt when lundstram was in the midfield in our champions league games when games were passing him by as he plodded along, no comparison was made between the two.
I on enough meds without needing to dabble and adjust them thank you very much.
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Fair enough.
I retract my comment.
too late, you said it.
no back backies.
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posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Izzy... The Rat returns....fvck off back to Spain (U3410)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
"wont be that different .... every other team in europe will be the same so th co-eff wont change as others will be improving on theirs also.
It can be more luck of the draw in the new format, you play 2 pot 1, 2 pot 2 , 2 pot 3, and 2 pot 4 teams.
so its more equally balanced ie, pot 4 teams will play two other pot 4 teams, eve if they are a pot 4 side themselves.
will be some extra money but hard to say if qualifying through it will be harder or easier, but thats the europa drop down done with thankfully"
The way it's gonna work I think is 8 games against 8 different teams. Hypothetically you could play Real Madrid away 1 week and Royal Antwerp at home the following week. Antwerp have nul points from 5 games in this year's groups. More of a chance to pick up that elusive win though still won't be competitive methinks.
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yup you play two pot 1 teams, two pot 2 teams etc... regardless of what pot you are in.
more chance of a win, but so does every other team. therefore more likely to bank an extra bit of money but chances of qualifying past the league after it are much the same and there is no europa drop down.
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Might sneak into the play off before the last 16 with a bit of luck.
Although Celtic and luck rarely go hand in hand in European competition
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
Ah, at least an attempt to move the discussion beyond Jacqueline levels
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is it aye?
aww ma callum.
have you met him or something and now you are starstruck?
he's no gna sh@gg you.
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
rangers record in the europa league has been decent, especially that run.
lets not pretend that we can group that with champions league though, its a completely different gravy, as rangers found out last year.
a team that performs well in europa league got absolutely spanked last year, no points, and worst team to compete in the tournament ever.
its wildly different.
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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The point was there’s two extremes right next to each other and instead you can look at the last 30 odd home games we’ve had….
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe.
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i don't think they should be grouped together, i think its more than fair to say rangers have done well in the europa league in recent years.
i think its more than fair to say rangers have done appallingly in their opportunity in the champions league.
i wouldn't combine the 2 and say rangers have done well in europe overall, they haven't when asked to step up a level, but if we are saying they have done well in the europa then yeah thats absolutely fair.
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe.
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i don't think they should be grouped together, i think its more than fair to say rangers have done well in the europa league in recent years.
i think its more than fair to say rangers have done appallingly in their opportunity in the champions league.
i wouldn't combine the 2 and say rangers have done well in europe overall, they haven't when asked to step up a level, but if we are saying they have done well in the europa then yeah thats absolutely fair.
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europa is still stepping up a level. not as much but its still a step up and we perform better than any other team in europe in leagues that are ranked lower than us. we are punching way above our weight.
Porto, RB Leipzig, Dortmund, Real Betis, Lyon, Benfica, Braga, Sporting etc... are all a step up from what we face normally all much higher budgets, playing in better leagues etc.... Id say outwith last season we have been excellent in europe recently. To be ranked in the top 30 teams in all of europe from a team in Scotland is fantastic IMO.
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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So for last 6 years you can’t compare 4 years in EL to 5 years in EL?
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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So for last 6 years you can’t compare 4 years in EL to 5 years in EL?
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no cos there is an extra season in there they are playing in the champ league.
Like I said if you want to use them as fair comparisons then crack on ... I dont.
I also prefer to focus more on what we do rather than Celtic in europe.
also I was looking at the last 5 years as thats what uefa do when ranking teams and they have been in the CL in 2 of the last 5, conpared to our 1. so 40% of their games where in champ league and 20% of ours where from the sample size both I and uefa use. so yeah unfair comparison IMO.
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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So for last 6 years you can’t compare 4 years in EL to 5 years in EL?
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no cos there is an extra season in there they are playing in the champ league.
Like I said if you want to use them as fair comparisons then crack on ... I dont.
I also prefer to focus more on what we do rather than Celtic in europe.
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Can’t compare our performances in the same competitions because one year out of 6 they were in a different one
Celtic are our rival, quite clear why anyone would compare us. Same way English clubs, and even all top European clubs get compared in European
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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So for last 6 years you can’t compare 4 years in EL to 5 years in EL?
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no cos there is an extra season in there they are playing in the champ league.
Like I said if you want to use them as fair comparisons then crack on ... I dont.
I also prefer to focus more on what we do rather than Celtic in europe.
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Can’t compare our performances in the same competitions because one year out of 6 they were in a different one
Celtic are our rival, quite clear why anyone would compare us. Same way English clubs, and even all top European clubs get compared in European
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thats fine at no point have I said or suggested you couldnt.
your the one saying I cant do what im doing.
Like I said I was using the sample size thast uefa use to work it out. and from that sample size 40% of the games celtic played where in CL compared to our 20%.
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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When accounting for those rankings you have to consider one team is playing regular CL football and the other EL football, so have more chances at picking up coefficient points.
I'm not sure comparing both teams' form in Europe is a particularly useful method of gauging either's relative success there but for the sake of the direction this conversation is going: Celtic are pash and Rangers are extraordinarily - I would say supernaturally - lucky to the extent I have started to question the existence of a just and fair god when they spawn more often than a priapic frog on European nights.
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posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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When accounting for those rankings you have to consider one team is playing regular CL football and the other EL football, so have more chances at picking up coefficient points.
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yes this is the point I have been making said it plenty of times, its RenegadeOF that is dismissing it.
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The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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When accounting for those rankings you have to consider one team is playing regular CL football and the other EL football, so have more chances at picking up coefficient points.
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yes this is the point I have been making said it plenty of times, its RenegadeOF that is dismissing it.
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We’ve played in the same competition in 5 of the last 6 years. The idea Celtic have played in the CL regularly is a nonsense, two years out of last six.
And whodunnit, you literally said ‘no cos’ when I asked the question of whether you could compare two teams playing in the same competition 5 out of six years. You can exclude this season then and have a fair comparison
We punch above our weight in Europe, Celtic the opposite, that’s clear.
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The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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When accounting for those rankings you have to consider one team is playing regular CL football and the other EL football, so have more chances at picking up coefficient points.
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yes this is the point I have been making said it plenty of times, its RenegadeOF that is dismissing it.
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We’ve played in the same competition in 5 of the last 6 years. The idea Celtic have played in the CL regularly is a nonsense, two years out of last six.
And whodunnit, you literally said ‘no cos’ when I asked the question of whether you could compare two teams playing in the same competition 5 out of six years. You can exclude this season then and have a fair comparison
We punch above our weight in Europe, Celtic the opposite, that’s clear.
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like I said you can use the last 6 years if you want.... Im using the info that uefa use and thats the last 5 years. im sure most could go through the entire history and pull out a time period that fits their point. Im using the period of time that most use and uefa use.
in that time 40% of the time celtic have been in the CL compared to our 20%. Id say almost half of the time can be described as regular, if you dont thats ok.
Over the last 4 seasons Rangers have won 31 games in Europe compared to Celtics 19. Rangers have also beaten big teams like Dortmand, leipzig, galatasaray, feyenoord and braga. All during a period where Rangers were significantly spending less.
Rangers have undoubtedly done better in Europe than Celtic in recent years
Reaching a European final carries enough clout in itself too
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Baffling.
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posted on 29/11/23
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 50 minutes ago
I never compared mcgregor and lundstram in my earlier post.
I mentioned some celtic fans on here are not happy with mcgregor.
I said how Rangers fans felt when lundstram was in the midfield in our champions league games when games were passing him by as he plodded along, no comparison was made between the two.
I on enough meds without needing to dabble and adjust them thank you very much.
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Fair enough.
I retract my comment.
posted on 29/11/23
too late, you said it.
no back backies.
posted on 29/11/23
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comment by Izzy... The Rat returns....fvck off back to Spain (U3410)
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"wont be that different .... every other team in europe will be the same so th co-eff wont change as others will be improving on theirs also.
It can be more luck of the draw in the new format, you play 2 pot 1, 2 pot 2 , 2 pot 3, and 2 pot 4 teams.
so its more equally balanced ie, pot 4 teams will play two other pot 4 teams, eve if they are a pot 4 side themselves.
will be some extra money but hard to say if qualifying through it will be harder or easier, but thats the europa drop down done with thankfully"
The way it's gonna work I think is 8 games against 8 different teams. Hypothetically you could play Real Madrid away 1 week and Royal Antwerp at home the following week. Antwerp have nul points from 5 games in this year's groups. More of a chance to pick up that elusive win though still won't be competitive methinks.
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yup you play two pot 1 teams, two pot 2 teams etc... regardless of what pot you are in.
more chance of a win, but so does every other team. therefore more likely to bank an extra bit of money but chances of qualifying past the league after it are much the same and there is no europa drop down.
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Might sneak into the play off before the last 16 with a bit of luck.
Although Celtic and luck rarely go hand in hand in European competition
posted on 29/11/23
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 hours, 47 minutes ago
Ah, at least an attempt to move the discussion beyond Jacqueline levels
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is it aye?
aww ma callum.
have you met him or something and now you are starstruck?
he's no gna sh@gg you.
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posted on 30/11/23
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
posted on 30/11/23
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posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
posted on 30/11/23
rangers record in the europa league has been decent, especially that run.
lets not pretend that we can group that with champions league though, its a completely different gravy, as rangers found out last year.
a team that performs well in europa league got absolutely spanked last year, no points, and worst team to compete in the tournament ever.
its wildly different.
posted on 30/11/23
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posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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The point was there’s two extremes right next to each other and instead you can look at the last 30 odd home games we’ve had….
posted on 30/11/23
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posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
posted on 30/11/23
Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe.
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i don't think they should be grouped together, i think its more than fair to say rangers have done well in the europa league in recent years.
i think its more than fair to say rangers have done appallingly in their opportunity in the champions league.
i wouldn't combine the 2 and say rangers have done well in europe overall, they haven't when asked to step up a level, but if we are saying they have done well in the europa then yeah thats absolutely fair.
posted on 30/11/23
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
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The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
posted on 30/11/23
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe.
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i don't think they should be grouped together, i think its more than fair to say rangers have done well in the europa league in recent years.
i think its more than fair to say rangers have done appallingly in their opportunity in the champions league.
i wouldn't combine the 2 and say rangers have done well in europe overall, they haven't when asked to step up a level, but if we are saying they have done well in the europa then yeah thats absolutely fair.
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europa is still stepping up a level. not as much but its still a step up and we perform better than any other team in europe in leagues that are ranked lower than us. we are punching way above our weight.
Porto, RB Leipzig, Dortmund, Real Betis, Lyon, Benfica, Braga, Sporting etc... are all a step up from what we face normally all much higher budgets, playing in better leagues etc.... Id say outwith last season we have been excellent in europe recently. To be ranked in the top 30 teams in all of europe from a team in Scotland is fantastic IMO.
posted on 30/11/23
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
posted on 30/11/23
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
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The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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So for last 6 years you can’t compare 4 years in EL to 5 years in EL?
posted on 30/11/23
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
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The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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So for last 6 years you can’t compare 4 years in EL to 5 years in EL?
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no cos there is an extra season in there they are playing in the champ league.
Like I said if you want to use them as fair comparisons then crack on ... I dont.
I also prefer to focus more on what we do rather than Celtic in europe.
posted on 30/11/23
also I was looking at the last 5 years as thats what uefa do when ranking teams and they have been in the CL in 2 of the last 5, conpared to our 1. so 40% of their games where in champ league and 20% of ours where from the sample size both I and uefa use. so yeah unfair comparison IMO.
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comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
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The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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So for last 6 years you can’t compare 4 years in EL to 5 years in EL?
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no cos there is an extra season in there they are playing in the champ league.
Like I said if you want to use them as fair comparisons then crack on ... I dont.
I also prefer to focus more on what we do rather than Celtic in europe.
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Can’t compare our performances in the same competitions because one year out of 6 they were in a different one
Celtic are our rival, quite clear why anyone would compare us. Same way English clubs, and even all top European clubs get compared in European
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The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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Celtic have been in qualifiers and the Europa league plenty. Very easy to compare the two. Is it not four of the last 6 years that Celtic have been in the EL groups?
A lot of teams in the CL this year and last year that Rangers have done very well against over last few years.
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there is but the fact that they have been in champ league more than us means its not a fair comparison IMO.
you can compare them as the same if you want . I dont.
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So for last 6 years you can’t compare 4 years in EL to 5 years in EL?
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no cos there is an extra season in there they are playing in the champ league.
Like I said if you want to use them as fair comparisons then crack on ... I dont.
I also prefer to focus more on what we do rather than Celtic in europe.
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Can’t compare our performances in the same competitions because one year out of 6 they were in a different one
Celtic are our rival, quite clear why anyone would compare us. Same way English clubs, and even all top European clubs get compared in European
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thats fine at no point have I said or suggested you couldnt.
your the one saying I cant do what im doing.
Like I said I was using the sample size thast uefa use to work it out. and from that sample size 40% of the games celtic played where in CL compared to our 20%.
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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When accounting for those rankings you have to consider one team is playing regular CL football and the other EL football, so have more chances at picking up coefficient points.
posted on 30/11/23
I'm not sure comparing both teams' form in Europe is a particularly useful method of gauging either's relative success there but for the sake of the direction this conversation is going: Celtic are pash and Rangers are extraordinarily - I would say supernaturally - lucky to the extent I have started to question the existence of a just and fair god when they spawn more often than a priapic frog on European nights.
posted on 30/11/23
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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When accounting for those rankings you have to consider one team is playing regular CL football and the other EL football, so have more chances at picking up coefficient points.
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yes this is the point I have been making said it plenty of times, its RenegadeOF that is dismissing it.
posted on 30/11/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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When accounting for those rankings you have to consider one team is playing regular CL football and the other EL football, so have more chances at picking up coefficient points.
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yes this is the point I have been making said it plenty of times, its RenegadeOF that is dismissing it.
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We’ve played in the same competition in 5 of the last 6 years. The idea Celtic have played in the CL regularly is a nonsense, two years out of last six.
And whodunnit, you literally said ‘no cos’ when I asked the question of whether you could compare two teams playing in the same competition 5 out of six years. You can exclude this season then and have a fair comparison
We punch above our weight in Europe, Celtic the opposite, that’s clear.
posted on 30/11/23
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 1 day ago
The other teams have internationally players except players like griezman etc are better than kyogo etc.
Rangers as well got shown up big style last time in champions league.
Sadly both scottish glasgow teams are europa league status.
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That’s nonsense Celtic have been consistently better than us in the league for years, but we’ve consistently better than them in Europe. We’ve somehow stepped up while Celtic have done the opposite. Our record at home in Europe is outstanding.
Last year in CL was a horror show but daft to pull that as an example given a lot of the injuries we had for a start, and a lot of CL clubs that we’ve done well against in last few years.
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So it's daft to reference last season when you were guff, but it's ok to mention your run to the EL final?
Ok then.
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not entirely, there is some merit to it but its not the outlier.
Uefa have us ranked as the 29th best team in europe, whilst celtic are 54th. Its wrong to use one season as our level when the previous 4 before it we have done very well in europe. I mean if you exclude last seasons european results then we were almost in the top 20 ranked clubs in europe which is very impressive given the leage we are in.
For eg there is no teams ranked above rangers out with the bigger leagues, no team from a lesser ranked european competition are ranked higher than rangers. we punch above our weight.
Its harder to compare the two teams fairly however given that you have been in champ league more than us.
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When accounting for those rankings you have to consider one team is playing regular CL football and the other EL football, so have more chances at picking up coefficient points.
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yes this is the point I have been making said it plenty of times, its RenegadeOF that is dismissing it.
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We’ve played in the same competition in 5 of the last 6 years. The idea Celtic have played in the CL regularly is a nonsense, two years out of last six.
And whodunnit, you literally said ‘no cos’ when I asked the question of whether you could compare two teams playing in the same competition 5 out of six years. You can exclude this season then and have a fair comparison
We punch above our weight in Europe, Celtic the opposite, that’s clear.
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like I said you can use the last 6 years if you want.... Im using the info that uefa use and thats the last 5 years. im sure most could go through the entire history and pull out a time period that fits their point. Im using the period of time that most use and uefa use.
in that time 40% of the time celtic have been in the CL compared to our 20%. Id say almost half of the time can be described as regular, if you dont thats ok.
posted on 30/11/23
Over the last 4 seasons Rangers have won 31 games in Europe compared to Celtics 19. Rangers have also beaten big teams like Dortmand, leipzig, galatasaray, feyenoord and braga. All during a period where Rangers were significantly spending less.
Rangers have undoubtedly done better in Europe than Celtic in recent years
posted on 30/11/23
Reaching a European final carries enough clout in itself too
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