FIFA will have something to say about the independent regulator. Other nations have been banned or otherwise punished for doing something along the same lines. If it is deemed to be political interference then FIFA will have to ban England like they do the minnow nations for political interference.
Yep, the PL came out with all guns blazing with the 115 charges being lapped up with glee by the great unwashed.
Now they’re faced with the prospect of City individually defending all those charges which will be both time consuming and costly with the prospect of a new Government installing an independent regulator anyway.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are ... (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
FIFA will have something to say about the independent regulator. Other nations have been banned or otherwise punished for doing something along the same lines. If it is deemed to be political interference then FIFA will have to ban England like they do the minnow nations for political interference.
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Football is a business and should be treated as such.
No one has a problem with efforts being made to protect clubs from insolvency but trying to stifle clubs with no financial problems to try and protect the status quo is a different matter that would be deemed illegal in most other fields of business
... on the other hand, I'm hoping that the same disorganisation has made a mess of the rushed filings and the whole case will implode.
From what I understand, what we are accused of is much more than breaking PL rules but are subject to criminal fraud spanning 9 years if found guilty due to it impinging on tax law and the Fraud Act. If we are guilty of that, then throw the book at everyone involved.
I do think that we will still have non-cooperation charges stick, but only due to legal advice that we did not have to provide those evidences rather than non-cooperation full-stop.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 minutes ago
They won’t release the full hearing, it’s a PL rule that it’s confidential that the clubs would have agreed with too.
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So it being behind closed doors is in compliance with PL rules?
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Yes, all hearings being confidential and heard in private is specifically in their process and has been for a long while.
Bear in mind it’s an odd setup as the clubs themselves are shareholders in the pl.
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 10 minutes ago
... on the other hand, I'm hoping that the same disorganisation has made a mess of the rushed filings and the whole case will implode.
From what I understand, what we are accused of is much more than breaking PL rules but are subject to criminal fraud spanning 9 years if found guilty due to it impinging on tax law and the Fraud Act. If we are guilty of that, then throw the book at everyone involved.
I do think that we will still have non-cooperation charges stick, but only due to legal advice that we did not have to provide those evidences rather than non-cooperation full-stop.
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Pretty much. The bit I’ve always struggled with is it doesn’t make sense to me why do what UEFA alleged with the sponsorships (which is the most serious charge). There’s no benefit to City to do it aside from potentially speeding up cash availability. The benefits would have been for the sponsors had they done it the way that was alleged.
The PL haven’t really explained the detail though so maybe they’re alleging we did something different to what was alleged by UEFA and heard at CAS.
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 12 minutes ago
... on the other hand, I'm hoping that the same disorganisation has made a mess of the rushed filings and the whole case will implode.
From what I understand, what we are accused of is much more than breaking PL rules but are subject to criminal fraud spanning 9 years if found guilty due to it impinging on tax law and the Fraud Act. If we are guilty of that, then throw the book at everyone involved.
I do think that we will still have non-cooperation charges stick, but only due to legal advice that we did not have to provide those evidences rather than non-cooperation full-stop.
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Good point, I’m sure many people have an image of City officials sitting there saying “We’re not telling you” to every question rather than acting on legal advice
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are ... (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
FIFA will have something to say about the independent regulator. Other nations have been banned or otherwise punished for doing something along the same lines. If it is deemed to be political interference then FIFA will have to ban England like they do the minnow nations for political interference.
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Football is a business and should be treated as such.
No one has a problem with efforts being made to protect clubs from insolvency but trying to stifle clubs with no financial problems to try and protect the status quo is a different matter that would be deemed illegal in most other fields of business
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comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
... on the other hand, I'm hoping that the same disorganisation has made a mess of the rushed filings and the whole case will implode.
From what I understand, what we are accused of is much more than breaking PL rules but are subject to criminal fraud spanning 9 years if found guilty due to it impinging on tax law and the Fraud Act. If we are guilty of that, then throw the book at everyone involved.
I do think that we will still have non-cooperation charges stick, but only due to legal advice that we did not have to provide those evidences rather than non-cooperation full-stop.
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Why would legal advice be that you shouldn't provide any evidence demanded? Evidence which would have exonerated you? What would you be hiding? It's more likely the legal advice was "if you give them that you're facked, you'd rather deal with the fallout from non co-operation than give them that".
I mean, when the FA say the hearing will be behind closed doors, you guys start wondering what they're hiding.
But City's non co-operation doesn't raise the same suspicions.
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
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….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
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….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
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Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
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….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
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Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
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Thank feck for that.
comment by Ashtonianblue (U12469)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
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….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
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Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
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Thank feck for that.
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Sorry about that Ashtonian.
I thought he was getting better at trying to understand when hit by the bombshell (to him, and not people who are actually trying to follow the proceedings) that the hearing was behind closed doors, but then reverted back to type.
Melton tried, I've tried. But the mook continues to play dumb.
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ashtonianblue (U12469)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
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….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank feck for that.
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Sorry about that Ashtonian.
I thought he was getting better at trying to understand when hit by the bombshell (to him, and not people who are actually trying to follow the proceedings) that the hearing was behind closed doors, but then reverted back to type.
Melton tried, I've tried. But the mook continues to play dumb.
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To be fair, it isn't his own brain, he is breaking it in for an idiot.
It's nearly ready.
I've tried mansplaining it to him on several occasions but it fell on deaf ears.
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Ashtonianblue (U12469)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank feck for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry about that Ashtonian.
I thought he was getting better at trying to understand when hit by the bombshell (to him, and not people who are actually trying to follow the proceedings) that the hearing was behind closed doors, but then reverted back to type.
Melton tried, I've tried. But the mook continues to play dumb.
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That's okay Manc. Like I said earlier it's the internet version of The Traitors - They all know who's guilty but haven't a feckin' clue what they're talking about.
Man-city are innocent and pure as the driven snow. Now lets move on. nothing to see here
Manchester United have lured Manchester City's Omar Berrada across the city to become the club's new chief executive in a remarkable coup. Berrada has been chosen to succeed Richard Arnold in a major coup for INEOS ahead of their 24 per cent stake being ratified.
Rats jumping a sinking ship?
United certain City will cleared by appointing one of the key figures involved.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
United certain City will cleared by appointing one of the key figures involved.
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Like Tottenham with Paratici
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posted on 19/1/24
FIFA will have something to say about the independent regulator. Other nations have been banned or otherwise punished for doing something along the same lines. If it is deemed to be political interference then FIFA will have to ban England like they do the minnow nations for political interference.
posted on 19/1/24
Yep, the PL came out with all guns blazing with the 115 charges being lapped up with glee by the great unwashed.
Now they’re faced with the prospect of City individually defending all those charges which will be both time consuming and costly with the prospect of a new Government installing an independent regulator anyway.
posted on 19/1/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are ... (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
FIFA will have something to say about the independent regulator. Other nations have been banned or otherwise punished for doing something along the same lines. If it is deemed to be political interference then FIFA will have to ban England like they do the minnow nations for political interference.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football is a business and should be treated as such.
No one has a problem with efforts being made to protect clubs from insolvency but trying to stifle clubs with no financial problems to try and protect the status quo is a different matter that would be deemed illegal in most other fields of business
posted on 19/1/24
... on the other hand, I'm hoping that the same disorganisation has made a mess of the rushed filings and the whole case will implode.
From what I understand, what we are accused of is much more than breaking PL rules but are subject to criminal fraud spanning 9 years if found guilty due to it impinging on tax law and the Fraud Act. If we are guilty of that, then throw the book at everyone involved.
I do think that we will still have non-cooperation charges stick, but only due to legal advice that we did not have to provide those evidences rather than non-cooperation full-stop.
posted on 19/1/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 minutes ago
They won’t release the full hearing, it’s a PL rule that it’s confidential that the clubs would have agreed with too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So it being behind closed doors is in compliance with PL rules?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, all hearings being confidential and heard in private is specifically in their process and has been for a long while.
Bear in mind it’s an odd setup as the clubs themselves are shareholders in the pl.
posted on 19/1/24
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 10 minutes ago
... on the other hand, I'm hoping that the same disorganisation has made a mess of the rushed filings and the whole case will implode.
From what I understand, what we are accused of is much more than breaking PL rules but are subject to criminal fraud spanning 9 years if found guilty due to it impinging on tax law and the Fraud Act. If we are guilty of that, then throw the book at everyone involved.
I do think that we will still have non-cooperation charges stick, but only due to legal advice that we did not have to provide those evidences rather than non-cooperation full-stop.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty much. The bit I’ve always struggled with is it doesn’t make sense to me why do what UEFA alleged with the sponsorships (which is the most serious charge). There’s no benefit to City to do it aside from potentially speeding up cash availability. The benefits would have been for the sponsors had they done it the way that was alleged.
The PL haven’t really explained the detail though so maybe they’re alleging we did something different to what was alleged by UEFA and heard at CAS.
posted on 19/1/24
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 12 minutes ago
... on the other hand, I'm hoping that the same disorganisation has made a mess of the rushed filings and the whole case will implode.
From what I understand, what we are accused of is much more than breaking PL rules but are subject to criminal fraud spanning 9 years if found guilty due to it impinging on tax law and the Fraud Act. If we are guilty of that, then throw the book at everyone involved.
I do think that we will still have non-cooperation charges stick, but only due to legal advice that we did not have to provide those evidences rather than non-cooperation full-stop.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good point, I’m sure many people have an image of City officials sitting there saying “We’re not telling you” to every question rather than acting on legal advice
posted on 19/1/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are ... (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
FIFA will have something to say about the independent regulator. Other nations have been banned or otherwise punished for doing something along the same lines. If it is deemed to be political interference then FIFA will have to ban England like they do the minnow nations for political interference.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football is a business and should be treated as such.
No one has a problem with efforts being made to protect clubs from insolvency but trying to stifle clubs with no financial problems to try and protect the status quo is a different matter that would be deemed illegal in most other fields of business
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 19/1/24
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
... on the other hand, I'm hoping that the same disorganisation has made a mess of the rushed filings and the whole case will implode.
From what I understand, what we are accused of is much more than breaking PL rules but are subject to criminal fraud spanning 9 years if found guilty due to it impinging on tax law and the Fraud Act. If we are guilty of that, then throw the book at everyone involved.
I do think that we will still have non-cooperation charges stick, but only due to legal advice that we did not have to provide those evidences rather than non-cooperation full-stop.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why would legal advice be that you shouldn't provide any evidence demanded? Evidence which would have exonerated you? What would you be hiding? It's more likely the legal advice was "if you give them that you're facked, you'd rather deal with the fallout from non co-operation than give them that".
I mean, when the FA say the hearing will be behind closed doors, you guys start wondering what they're hiding.
But City's non co-operation doesn't raise the same suspicions.
posted on 19/1/24
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
posted on 19/1/24
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
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….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
posted on 19/1/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
posted on 19/1/24
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank feck for that.
posted on 19/1/24
comment by Ashtonianblue (U12469)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank feck for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry about that Ashtonian.
I thought he was getting better at trying to understand when hit by the bombshell (to him, and not people who are actually trying to follow the proceedings) that the hearing was behind closed doors, but then reverted back to type.
Melton tried, I've tried. But the mook continues to play dumb.
posted on 19/1/24
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ashtonianblue (U12469)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank feck for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry about that Ashtonian.
I thought he was getting better at trying to understand when hit by the bombshell (to him, and not people who are actually trying to follow the proceedings) that the hearing was behind closed doors, but then reverted back to type.
Melton tried, I've tried. But the mook continues to play dumb.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, it isn't his own brain, he is breaking it in for an idiot.
It's nearly ready.
posted on 19/1/24
Wow.
posted on 19/1/24
I've tried mansplaining it to him on several occasions but it fell on deaf ears.
posted on 19/1/24
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Ashtonianblue (U12469)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - Maximus Mardius Cobonius (U10676)
posted 5 seconds ago
I've spoon-fed you enough.
You didn't even know that it was behind closed doors a few hours ago!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
….but they all know City are guilty despite not knowing the charges or reading the evidence
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't be mithered to do his thinking for him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank feck for that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry about that Ashtonian.
I thought he was getting better at trying to understand when hit by the bombshell (to him, and not people who are actually trying to follow the proceedings) that the hearing was behind closed doors, but then reverted back to type.
Melton tried, I've tried. But the mook continues to play dumb.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's okay Manc. Like I said earlier it's the internet version of The Traitors - They all know who's guilty but haven't a feckin' clue what they're talking about.
posted on 19/1/24
Man-city are innocent and pure as the driven snow. Now lets move on. nothing to see here
posted on 21/1/24
Manchester United have lured Manchester City's Omar Berrada across the city to become the club's new chief executive in a remarkable coup. Berrada has been chosen to succeed Richard Arnold in a major coup for INEOS ahead of their 24 per cent stake being ratified.
Rats jumping a sinking ship?
posted on 21/1/24
United certain City will cleared by appointing one of the key figures involved.
posted on 21/1/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
United certain City will cleared by appointing one of the key figures involved.
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Like Tottenham with Paratici
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