Domestic cup aren’t major trophies but it is a little disingenuous to say 1 PL, 1 CL without context.

He got 90+ point three times, for context I think Fergie managed that once. He got to four CL finals also.

He’s been unlucky to come up against City and Real in those competitions really, but to take Liverpool from where we were to where we are (and those CL runs and prize money play a huge part in that) is about as good a job as he could possibly have done imo.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robbing

If you want to include Europe don't forget EtH's Ajax reaching the CL semis and being a whisker away from reaching the final, where they destroyed Real, knocked out Juve and drew home and away with Bayern along the way.
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Yeah he did a good job there for sure.

Robbing

I agree, like I’ve said repeatedly Klopp is a brilliant manager and done a great job at Liverpool. But the truth is losing finals and coming close to league titles aren’t really remembered (same goes for Ferguson’s legacy and our final defeats to Barca as well as the other finals Ferguson lost as well as the titles we came 2nd). You’re remembered for what you won and for a manger of Klopp quality it’ll be his PL and CL at Liverpool and his Bundesliga for Dortmund.

"I also think it looks a little disingenuous saying he only won 1 PL & CL in 9 years."
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Yeah, you forgot all his runner up medals. We always include Fergie’s, Pep’s, Mourinho’s and Wenger’s.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
"I also think it looks a little disingenuous saying he only won 1 PL & CL in 9 years."
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Yeah, you forgot all his runner up medals. We always include Fergie’s, Pep’s, Mourinho’s and Wenger’s.
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Haha, I just don’t feel it’s an accurate summation of his work is all. Like I said, points wise he comfortably outperformed Fergie but there we go.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Robbing

I agree, like I’ve said repeatedly Klopp is a brilliant manager and done a great job at Liverpool. But the truth is losing finals and coming close to league titles aren’t really remembered (same goes for Ferguson’s legacy and our final defeats to Barca as well as the other finals Ferguson lost as well as the titles we came 2nd). You’re remembered for what you won and for a manger of Klopp quality it’ll be his PL and CL at Liverpool and his Bundesliga for Dortmund.
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He'll be remembered by us LFC fans as the man who won all the trophies. For the next club hiring him their not going to look at his CV and say 'he only won the PL & CL in 9 years'.

Yes but he’ll be remembered by normal people as the manager who won Liverpool’s first league title in nearly 30 years and a CL.

It’s all relative. I suppose one league title and one European cup is not actually that special at Liverpool where as at clubs like Utd and Arsenal that would put him in the conversation with their best managers ever in history.

Are you saying Klopp isn’t in the conversation for best Liverpool manager ever then?

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 10 seconds ago
It’s all relative. I suppose one league title and one European cup is not actually that special at Liverpool where as at clubs like Utd and Arsenal that would put him in the conversation with their best managers ever in history.
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When all you can hope for is a league cup win and bottom of your CL group then you will play down the achievements of rivals.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Are you saying Klopp isn’t in the conversation for best Liverpool manager ever then?
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Paisley, Shanks, Fagan and Dalglish is a lot to go up against, it’s not like other clubs like Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs et al is it.

It’s up to other people how they view his work. I mean you just said normal people will only look at those two trophies so you tell me.

So he is in the conversation.

If 5th is in the conversation yes. He’d be in the podium at Utd

He's finished below OGS who rivals said was a PE Teacher and also behind a manager in his first season outside Holland who he managed to beat 7-0 in an one off game in the same season.

Klopp is a very good manager and has done very well for Liverpool overall but there's been some very ropey seasons in there too that kind of get conveniently ignored.

Top manager but he's not Pep and Fergie levels. He's probably in the group below them which is not even a dig. Liverpool are going to miss him a lot which says everything.

So Fagan was a better manager for you guys, interesting?

For us we’ve been lucky to have 2 huge managers who combined managed the club for 51 years so it would be hard to compare Klopp’s achievements with theirs.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 minutes ago
Are you saying Klopp isn’t in the conversation for best Liverpool manager ever then?
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Of course he's not the 'best ever'. He's amongst the best and rightly so. The last 9 years will be looked back on as fondly as Shanks Paisley, Fagan and Daglishs' eras.

I didn’t say he was ‘the best’. Robbing brought up him being in a conversation for best manager at United in terms of his titles which I would disagree with. It was an odd thing to bring up when you could argue he’d just as much be in a conversation about Liverpools best managers.

I’m not sure why you’re being so sensitive about this. I’ve said Klopp is a brilliant manager and I personally don’t think the trophies he’s won you outside the PL and CL are that big a deal (or will be talked about much) and the same thing applies to Ferguson and United.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 minutes ago
So Fagan was a better manager for you guys, interesting?
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Is it that interesting? Fagan did a treble in his first year. Gets overlooked but that would make him an absolute legend down the road.

I know Fagan is a big part of the boot room and your clubs history but as a manager I wouldn’t say he was better or achieved more than Klopp. The Liverpool managers you listed were from a very successful run that spanned 32 years. Klopps acheivments are his own and those PL and CL titles are huge.

Well according to normal people he’s achieved exactly the same as Klopp, and did so in his first season so how does that work?

Saying that, Klopp may well add another league this season which would change a lot.

Yes normal people will look at the major titles won and also factor in the state or the club and the competition at the time which is why most people think Klopp’s achievements at the club are impressive. I genuinely think it’s interesting that you think Fagan goes down as a better manager than Klopp, I’d imagine most fans (Liverpool or not) would disagree.

I’d personally put Klopp 3rd, above Dalglish largely because of the significant change he made at the club and the competition with Peps City.

It’s all about opinions I guess. In and around Liverpool Fagan is vastly regarded as incredibly underrated. I don’t really care either way tbh.

I wouldn’t have him above Dalglish though for a number of reasons, one of which being winning the double as a player manager is cool as fvck.

No doubt Fagan is underrated (or at least spoken far less) and it’s all opinion.

Player managers were an odd thing. I watched a video with Bruce talking about the ‘94 FA Cup final when we beat Chelsea 4-0. Ferguson told the team that as long as we’re 1-0 up with 20 min to go we’ll win 4-0 because Hoddle’s ego will get the better of him and he’ll bring himself on and get overrun in the middle and he was exactly right.

Yeah I’ve seen that and it’s very believable indeed. Hoodle has always been very pleased with himself.

Yeah he’s a belllend, great player though. God probably told him to do it.