posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
Yeah I don't think its the money that will give anyone peace or help them put it behind them.
But as Pointy says its an admission of responsibility. An admission that their fight for justice has gone somewhere and can come to a conclusion.
I don't think they will ever be at true peace but they can then at least say they pursued their case and it was upheld and that they were right to make someone accountable. I don't think the money will ever be a substitute but its a form of closure and responsibility at least - the victims here have been pursuing this for years and been fobbed off until now.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
There is no one at Celtic that were at the club when it all happened
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Unfortunately, that isn't true. There is one senior member of the academy staff who absolutely came from the BC. It is public domain if you look hard enough albeit on vigilante sites with a rivalry grudge but his CV waas well known within the academy. He was and is a complete shambles and I had no idea what he ever brought to an otherwise pretty professional setup.
Over and above there is one prominent name that I am pretty sure is still employed doing something - probably scouting and two coaches in the complicated 'club youth hierarchy' at the BC time that were working when junior was coming through. Names you might know. Then there are the other staff that may have been around the club I have no idea of in admin posts, non-playing side. I would not be surprised to learn there was 5-15 - certainly when it became in the wide public domain.
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Surprised by that. Not that there wouldn't be admin staff but people in the youth coaching set up certainly. Equally if they weren't guilty of wrongdoing then why shouldn't they. I would say however that these days if you have significant reason to believe there is an issue but do not report it, that in itself is an issue. Possibly not retrospectively applied though as there likely wasn't a culture where you could report that without fear of repercussions.
I do know that Celtic have all the safeguarding protocols and policies that should be in place and are quite rigorous on it based on conversations with people involved.
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The senior academy person I mentioned was a school teacher with, I guess, more opportunities in that environment that CBC and had a career until he retired from that and went FT with Celtic so absolutely no inference he was in any way involved.
I can vouch for the safeguarding procedures and training. Totally comprehensive and a team led by a retired copper - and maybe also his assistant was too - can't recall now.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Oh dear. And so it begins.
The actual awards will likely be “paltry” in most peoples eyes as the recognised legal formulae don’t make room for “multi million pounds” of compensation for victims.
Also as Silver has rightly pointed out, the legal fees will likely surpass the totality of the award and these indeed may well come out of the actual compensation awarded as it was heading towards a class action. The PO scandal demonstrates exactly that.
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Celtic and the lawyers will know the probable calculation - a bit more complex in Scotland iirc. Despite being paltry, a premium may be paid to 'buy' the NDAs and no guilt admission. That may 'just' be the legal fees covered, however? Their lawyer almost certainly advising the out of court settlement so they can claim a moral victory and avoid the complex association between the two entities which tbh could go either way.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Oh dear. And so it begins.
The actual awards will likely be “paltry” in most peoples eyes as the recognised legal formulae don’t make room for “multi million pounds” of compensation for victims.
Also as Silver has rightly pointed out, the legal fees will likely surpass the totality of the award and these indeed may well come out of the actual compensation awarded as it was heading towards a class action. The PO scandal demonstrates exactly that.
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Celtic and the lawyers will know the probable calculation - a bit more complex in Scotland iirc. Despite being paltry, a premium may be paid to 'buy' the NDAs and no guilt admission. That may 'just' be the legal fees covered, however? Their lawyer almost certainly advising the out of court settlement so they can claim a moral victory and avoid the complex association between the two entities which tbh could go either way.
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Undoubtedly. And if insurance is involved (I doubt it as it was so long ago since the offences and I’d think that during all that time we would have changed insurers multiple times over the period); none of them would accept ‘previous’ occurrences.
What will be likely is that the club have been well prepared and provided for this as they witnessed their stance being eroded over the last couple of years. It’s what pic’s do and are legally required to do.
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posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
Yeah I don't think its the money that will give anyone peace or help them put it behind them.
But as Pointy says its an admission of responsibility. An admission that their fight for justice has gone somewhere and can come to a conclusion.
I don't think they will ever be at true peace but they can then at least say they pursued their case and it was upheld and that they were right to make someone accountable. I don't think the money will ever be a substitute but its a form of closure and responsibility at least - the victims here have been pursuing this for years and been fobbed off until now.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
There is no one at Celtic that were at the club when it all happened
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Unfortunately, that isn't true. There is one senior member of the academy staff who absolutely came from the BC. It is public domain if you look hard enough albeit on vigilante sites with a rivalry grudge but his CV waas well known within the academy. He was and is a complete shambles and I had no idea what he ever brought to an otherwise pretty professional setup.
Over and above there is one prominent name that I am pretty sure is still employed doing something - probably scouting and two coaches in the complicated 'club youth hierarchy' at the BC time that were working when junior was coming through. Names you might know. Then there are the other staff that may have been around the club I have no idea of in admin posts, non-playing side. I would not be surprised to learn there was 5-15 - certainly when it became in the wide public domain.
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Surprised by that. Not that there wouldn't be admin staff but people in the youth coaching set up certainly. Equally if they weren't guilty of wrongdoing then why shouldn't they. I would say however that these days if you have significant reason to believe there is an issue but do not report it, that in itself is an issue. Possibly not retrospectively applied though as there likely wasn't a culture where you could report that without fear of repercussions.
I do know that Celtic have all the safeguarding protocols and policies that should be in place and are quite rigorous on it based on conversations with people involved.
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The senior academy person I mentioned was a school teacher with, I guess, more opportunities in that environment that CBC and had a career until he retired from that and went FT with Celtic so absolutely no inference he was in any way involved.
I can vouch for the safeguarding procedures and training. Totally comprehensive and a team led by a retired copper - and maybe also his assistant was too - can't recall now.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Oh dear. And so it begins.
The actual awards will likely be “paltry” in most peoples eyes as the recognised legal formulae don’t make room for “multi million pounds” of compensation for victims.
Also as Silver has rightly pointed out, the legal fees will likely surpass the totality of the award and these indeed may well come out of the actual compensation awarded as it was heading towards a class action. The PO scandal demonstrates exactly that.
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Celtic and the lawyers will know the probable calculation - a bit more complex in Scotland iirc. Despite being paltry, a premium may be paid to 'buy' the NDAs and no guilt admission. That may 'just' be the legal fees covered, however? Their lawyer almost certainly advising the out of court settlement so they can claim a moral victory and avoid the complex association between the two entities which tbh could go either way.
posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Oh dear. And so it begins.
The actual awards will likely be “paltry” in most peoples eyes as the recognised legal formulae don’t make room for “multi million pounds” of compensation for victims.
Also as Silver has rightly pointed out, the legal fees will likely surpass the totality of the award and these indeed may well come out of the actual compensation awarded as it was heading towards a class action. The PO scandal demonstrates exactly that.
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Celtic and the lawyers will know the probable calculation - a bit more complex in Scotland iirc. Despite being paltry, a premium may be paid to 'buy' the NDAs and no guilt admission. That may 'just' be the legal fees covered, however? Their lawyer almost certainly advising the out of court settlement so they can claim a moral victory and avoid the complex association between the two entities which tbh could go either way.
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Undoubtedly. And if insurance is involved (I doubt it as it was so long ago since the offences and I’d think that during all that time we would have changed insurers multiple times over the period); none of them would accept ‘previous’ occurrences.
What will be likely is that the club have been well prepared and provided for this as they witnessed their stance being eroded over the last couple of years. It’s what pic’s do and are legally required to do.
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