He won't be successful outside of a third or second rank league. Don't think he's got enough about him personality wise.
None of the real big boys will give him a chance after this job so going back to Ajax could well be on.
It's difficult to manage a big club. It could be that Utd were wrong time, wrong place and ETH could end up being successful elsewhere. I don't think anyone would look that great managing us the way we are right now. The coherence that is lacking in the team, seems to simply reflect what was happening behind the scenes pre-Ineos
Sheffield United H. 3-0
Burnley H 3-1
Palace A 1-2
Arsenal H 0-2
Newcastle H 1-1
Brighton A 1-1
I see McKenna won Championship manager of the year - let's just go and get him now.................
Someone reminded me earlier that Anthony Martial plays for us.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 53 seconds ago
I see McKenna won Championship manager of the year - let's just go and get him now.................
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No wins in 3 for him. Including losing to his biggest rivals.
1 defeat in 5 for Ten Hag, including beating and drawing with our biggest rivals.
McKenna can't even do better than Ten Hag at Championship level.
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
And Barry gets another one
McKenna could be a future United manager, but far too early too consider him yet.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 57 seconds ago
McKenna could be a future United manager, but far too early too consider him yet.
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If you gave me a choice of ETH, Southgate or McKenna, I would simply go for McKenna
"It's difficult to manage a big club. It could be that Utd were wrong time, wrong place and ETH could end up being successful elsewhere."
I think this is the case with a lot of management tbh, and as you say, nobody would flourish at Utd right now.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 11 minutes ago
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
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I think on a whole there have been better teams in the Championship this season than Ipswich. He may be top right now due to having a decent month, but seasons are more than a month and if you look at the season as a whole up to now, I think Leeds and Leicester have been more successful. Classic recency bias from you.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 38 seconds ago
"It's difficult to manage a big club. It could be that Utd were wrong time, wrong place and ETH could end up being successful elsewhere."
I think this is the case with a lot of management tbh, and as you say, nobody would flourish at Utd right now.
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Can also be the case for players.
comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 11 minutes ago
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
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I think on a whole there have been better teams in the Championship this season than Ipswich. He may be top right now due to having a decent month, but seasons are more than a month and if you look at the season as a whole up to now, I think Leeds and Leicester have been more successful. Classic recency bias from you.
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Yep, you're totally right, what a fool I have been
comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 11 minutes ago
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
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I think on a whole there have been better teams in the Championship this season than Ipswich. He may be top right now due to having a decent month, but seasons are more than a month and if you look at the season as a whole up to now, I think Leeds and Leicester have been more successful. Classic recency bias from you.
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Ipswich have more points and fewer losses than the other 2, across the course of 43 games.
Gonna need a bigger boat, Barry
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 11 minutes ago
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
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I think on a whole there have been better teams in the Championship this season than Ipswich. He may be top right now due to having a decent month, but seasons are more than a month and if you look at the season as a whole up to now, I think Leeds and Leicester have been more successful. Classic recency bias from you.
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Ipswich have more points and fewer losses than the other 2, across the course of 43 games.
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You are only looking at the table NOW though. A season is from August up until now. Leicester were top of the league for like 8 months. Ipswich have been top for a few days. That shows how fickle some of our fans are. Thinking a team being top for a few days means they are having a better season than someone who has been top all season. No wonder we aren't successful with ignorant fans like that.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
Gonna need a bigger boat, Barry
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You're probably the type of guy who shouts "next goal's the winner" when 8-1 down in a match, believing that the most recent goal should overrule all others scored in the match.
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 48 minutes ago
Sheffield United H. 3-0
Burnley H 3-1
Palace A 1-2
Arsenal H 0-2
Newcastle H 1-1
Brighton A 1-1
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One 3 goal and one 2 goal margin win? Somebody is incredibly optimistic. We've managed 3 in the league all season. 😂
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
He won't be successful outside of a third or second rank league. Don't think he's got enough about him personality wise.
None of the real big boys will give him a chance after this job so going back to Ajax could well be on.
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Seems a bit reductive. He's doing badly at United therefore he doesn't have the materials or the personality to succeed at a big club. How do we judge his personality? Do we need him to roar and wave his arms about? Plenty of highly successful managers have been quietly spoken and relatively introverted characters. And there have been high profile failures at certain clubs who have done extremely well later in their careers.
Before United, ETH showed he could devise an innovative footballing system that not only dominated domestically but could perform well in Europe against teams with superior resources. Then his Ajax side was ripped apart and he built another team which was even more dominant domestically, impressed greatly in the CL (winning a difficult group with a 100% record, if a recall) - and deploying new tactical strategies because of the different profiles of players he had at his disposal.
This tells me he's no tactical doofus and probably not awful at communicating his ideas or motivating his players. He has clearly fallen way short of expectations in his second season at United. Setting aside the emotion of disappointment, it's a really interesting question to delve into why. Did his pragmatism last season deliver short-term progress at the price of longer term failure? Maybe we'd have been better off drilling into the team a new style of play, in the knowledge that we'd have to write off Season 1, but we'd be more fluent in Season 2? Or did his innovativeness only work when managing a side that enjoys a significant advantage in resources over most of the competition, and he has fallen short in terms of coming up with fine tuning to meet the quality and variety of tactical tests you face in the PL? It's very hard to tell. But my gut says assuming he's clueless and/or lacks the personality isn't a sufficient answer.
I guess football is full of managers who have done well at one club, and when they make the step up, it doesn't quite work out. As I have said before, it could work out at another club, and I certainly don't think ETH is a bad manger.
Assuming he does go, it will be interesting to see where he goes next.
in 1989-1990 season United had a goal difference of -1
Under Fergie!
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
He won't be successful outside of a third or second rank league. Don't think he's got enough about him personality wise.
None of the real big boys will give him a chance after this job so going back to Ajax could well be on.
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Seems a bit reductive. He's doing badly at United therefore he doesn't have the materials or the personality to succeed at a big club. How do we judge his personality? Do we need him to roar and wave his arms about? Plenty of highly successful managers have been quietly spoken and relatively introverted characters. And there have been high profile failures at certain clubs who have done extremely well later in their careers.
Before United, ETH showed he could devise an innovative footballing system that not only dominated domestically but could perform well in Europe against teams with superior resources. Then his Ajax side was ripped apart and he built another team which was even more dominant domestically, impressed greatly in the CL (winning a difficult group with a 100% record, if a recall) - and deploying new tactical strategies because of the different profiles of players he had at his disposal.
This tells me he's no tactical doofus and probably not awful at communicating his ideas or motivating his players. He has clearly fallen way short of expectations in his second season at United. Setting aside the emotion of disappointment, it's a really interesting question to delve into why. Did his pragmatism last season deliver short-term progress at the price of longer term failure? Maybe we'd have been better off drilling into the team a new style of play, in the knowledge that we'd have to write off Season 1, but we'd be more fluent in Season 2? Or did his innovativeness only work when managing a side that enjoys a significant advantage in resources over most of the competition, and he has fallen short in terms of coming up with fine tuning to meet the quality and variety of tactical tests you face in the PL? It's very hard to tell. But my gut says assuming he's clueless and/or lacks the personality isn't a sufficient answer.
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Personally think it's a bit of both. Found wanting in the tactical department but I genuinely find him so boring to listen to as well. Don't think he's cut out for a really big job. He will probably go back to Ajax and win the league again and everyone will say we shouldn't have got rid. 😂
find him so boring to listen to as well
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Ultimately I think we project so much based on the football we are watching. LVG was definitely not a shy character or lacking in personality, but lots of people decided was failing to get players to buy in, that he lost the dressing room, etc. Wenger was very sober and technical in interviews; no one suggested he lacked character or couldn't inspire players - at least not while his Arsenal sides were playing incredible football.
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posted on 15/4/24
He won't be successful outside of a third or second rank league. Don't think he's got enough about him personality wise.
None of the real big boys will give him a chance after this job so going back to Ajax could well be on.
posted on 15/4/24
It's difficult to manage a big club. It could be that Utd were wrong time, wrong place and ETH could end up being successful elsewhere. I don't think anyone would look that great managing us the way we are right now. The coherence that is lacking in the team, seems to simply reflect what was happening behind the scenes pre-Ineos
posted on 15/4/24
Sheffield United H. 3-0
Burnley H 3-1
Palace A 1-2
Arsenal H 0-2
Newcastle H 1-1
Brighton A 1-1
posted on 15/4/24
I see McKenna won Championship manager of the year - let's just go and get him now.................
posted on 15/4/24
Someone reminded me earlier that Anthony Martial plays for us.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 53 seconds ago
I see McKenna won Championship manager of the year - let's just go and get him now.................
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No wins in 3 for him. Including losing to his biggest rivals.
1 defeat in 5 for Ten Hag, including beating and drawing with our biggest rivals.
McKenna can't even do better than Ten Hag at Championship level.
posted on 15/4/24
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
posted on 15/4/24
And Barry gets another one
posted on 15/4/24
McKenna could be a future United manager, but far too early too consider him yet.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 57 seconds ago
McKenna could be a future United manager, but far too early too consider him yet.
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If you gave me a choice of ETH, Southgate or McKenna, I would simply go for McKenna
posted on 15/4/24
"It's difficult to manage a big club. It could be that Utd were wrong time, wrong place and ETH could end up being successful elsewhere."
I think this is the case with a lot of management tbh, and as you say, nobody would flourish at Utd right now.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 11 minutes ago
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
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I think on a whole there have been better teams in the Championship this season than Ipswich. He may be top right now due to having a decent month, but seasons are more than a month and if you look at the season as a whole up to now, I think Leeds and Leicester have been more successful. Classic recency bias from you.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 38 seconds ago
"It's difficult to manage a big club. It could be that Utd were wrong time, wrong place and ETH could end up being successful elsewhere."
I think this is the case with a lot of management tbh, and as you say, nobody would flourish at Utd right now.
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Can also be the case for players.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 11 minutes ago
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
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I think on a whole there have been better teams in the Championship this season than Ipswich. He may be top right now due to having a decent month, but seasons are more than a month and if you look at the season as a whole up to now, I think Leeds and Leicester have been more successful. Classic recency bias from you.
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Yep, you're totally right, what a fool I have been
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 11 minutes ago
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
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I think on a whole there have been better teams in the Championship this season than Ipswich. He may be top right now due to having a decent month, but seasons are more than a month and if you look at the season as a whole up to now, I think Leeds and Leicester have been more successful. Classic recency bias from you.
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Ipswich have more points and fewer losses than the other 2, across the course of 43 games.
posted on 15/4/24
Gonna need a bigger boat, Barry
posted on 15/4/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 11 minutes ago
Whilst mine was slightly tongue in cheek, you are judging McKenna on his last 3 games, rather than being top of the league?
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I think on a whole there have been better teams in the Championship this season than Ipswich. He may be top right now due to having a decent month, but seasons are more than a month and if you look at the season as a whole up to now, I think Leeds and Leicester have been more successful. Classic recency bias from you.
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Ipswich have more points and fewer losses than the other 2, across the course of 43 games.
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You are only looking at the table NOW though. A season is from August up until now. Leicester were top of the league for like 8 months. Ipswich have been top for a few days. That shows how fickle some of our fans are. Thinking a team being top for a few days means they are having a better season than someone who has been top all season. No wonder we aren't successful with ignorant fans like that.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
Gonna need a bigger boat, Barry
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posted on 15/4/24
You're probably the type of guy who shouts "next goal's the winner" when 8-1 down in a match, believing that the most recent goal should overrule all others scored in the match.
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 48 minutes ago
Sheffield United H. 3-0
Burnley H 3-1
Palace A 1-2
Arsenal H 0-2
Newcastle H 1-1
Brighton A 1-1
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One 3 goal and one 2 goal margin win? Somebody is incredibly optimistic. We've managed 3 in the league all season. 😂
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
He won't be successful outside of a third or second rank league. Don't think he's got enough about him personality wise.
None of the real big boys will give him a chance after this job so going back to Ajax could well be on.
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Seems a bit reductive. He's doing badly at United therefore he doesn't have the materials or the personality to succeed at a big club. How do we judge his personality? Do we need him to roar and wave his arms about? Plenty of highly successful managers have been quietly spoken and relatively introverted characters. And there have been high profile failures at certain clubs who have done extremely well later in their careers.
Before United, ETH showed he could devise an innovative footballing system that not only dominated domestically but could perform well in Europe against teams with superior resources. Then his Ajax side was ripped apart and he built another team which was even more dominant domestically, impressed greatly in the CL (winning a difficult group with a 100% record, if a recall) - and deploying new tactical strategies because of the different profiles of players he had at his disposal.
This tells me he's no tactical doofus and probably not awful at communicating his ideas or motivating his players. He has clearly fallen way short of expectations in his second season at United. Setting aside the emotion of disappointment, it's a really interesting question to delve into why. Did his pragmatism last season deliver short-term progress at the price of longer term failure? Maybe we'd have been better off drilling into the team a new style of play, in the knowledge that we'd have to write off Season 1, but we'd be more fluent in Season 2? Or did his innovativeness only work when managing a side that enjoys a significant advantage in resources over most of the competition, and he has fallen short in terms of coming up with fine tuning to meet the quality and variety of tactical tests you face in the PL? It's very hard to tell. But my gut says assuming he's clueless and/or lacks the personality isn't a sufficient answer.
posted on 15/4/24
I guess football is full of managers who have done well at one club, and when they make the step up, it doesn't quite work out. As I have said before, it could work out at another club, and I certainly don't think ETH is a bad manger.
Assuming he does go, it will be interesting to see where he goes next.
posted on 15/4/24
in 1989-1990 season United had a goal difference of -1
Under Fergie!
posted on 15/4/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
He won't be successful outside of a third or second rank league. Don't think he's got enough about him personality wise.
None of the real big boys will give him a chance after this job so going back to Ajax could well be on.
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Seems a bit reductive. He's doing badly at United therefore he doesn't have the materials or the personality to succeed at a big club. How do we judge his personality? Do we need him to roar and wave his arms about? Plenty of highly successful managers have been quietly spoken and relatively introverted characters. And there have been high profile failures at certain clubs who have done extremely well later in their careers.
Before United, ETH showed he could devise an innovative footballing system that not only dominated domestically but could perform well in Europe against teams with superior resources. Then his Ajax side was ripped apart and he built another team which was even more dominant domestically, impressed greatly in the CL (winning a difficult group with a 100% record, if a recall) - and deploying new tactical strategies because of the different profiles of players he had at his disposal.
This tells me he's no tactical doofus and probably not awful at communicating his ideas or motivating his players. He has clearly fallen way short of expectations in his second season at United. Setting aside the emotion of disappointment, it's a really interesting question to delve into why. Did his pragmatism last season deliver short-term progress at the price of longer term failure? Maybe we'd have been better off drilling into the team a new style of play, in the knowledge that we'd have to write off Season 1, but we'd be more fluent in Season 2? Or did his innovativeness only work when managing a side that enjoys a significant advantage in resources over most of the competition, and he has fallen short in terms of coming up with fine tuning to meet the quality and variety of tactical tests you face in the PL? It's very hard to tell. But my gut says assuming he's clueless and/or lacks the personality isn't a sufficient answer.
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Personally think it's a bit of both. Found wanting in the tactical department but I genuinely find him so boring to listen to as well. Don't think he's cut out for a really big job. He will probably go back to Ajax and win the league again and everyone will say we shouldn't have got rid. 😂
posted on 15/4/24
find him so boring to listen to as well
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Ultimately I think we project so much based on the football we are watching. LVG was definitely not a shy character or lacking in personality, but lots of people decided was failing to get players to buy in, that he lost the dressing room, etc. Wenger was very sober and technical in interviews; no one suggested he lacked character or couldn't inspire players - at least not while his Arsenal sides were playing incredible football.
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