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Ultimately, it’s about success, and ETH has trumped anything Ange has done in his 1st season at Spurs.
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well if Ange has a second season like Ten Hag and completely loses the mind I'll want him gone
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What about if he won an FA Cup that season?
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Yes because I don't let single games of football swing my thoughts on a manager.
People are already complaining about our defending, if next season we became a legitimate relegation quality defence (United are 16th for expected goals conceded), whilst getting worse going forward (United are 13th for Expected Goals For), then I would undoubtedly want Ange sacked.
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That's probably partly why you don't win anything then.
Calling for the sacking of a good manager in his 2nd season, after winning an FA Cup.
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How could that be why we dont win anything when in the same scenario you concocted literally has us winning something?
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Because the guy would he wanted the manager sacked now, before the final
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I'm not even strictly ETH out... I blow hot and cold on that one. If we decide to give him another season to sort it out, i'll be fine with that.
The idea that people are being harsh in their evaluations of him are daft though. It's not like people on here solely blame him for everything... They've weighed up what has happened over two seasons and have spoken truthfully about the situation.
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IF you factored in everything he has had to deal with, and consider the fact that we will have a newly implemented football hierarchy, plus the other major clubs looking for managers this Summer, its hard to see why people would want him sacked.
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It's really not, if you have eyes and watch football.
He's had to cope with injuries and a couple of off field distractions... Like most managers do.
Our biggest issue is mentality and that has to come down to the management team. Maguire's interview after the match spoke volumes when he said "It felt like the universe wanted Coventry to win"... That is 100% a mentality issue.
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That mentality is something SAF used to motivate his teams.
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I don't read too much into what Maguire said - he was just stating the obvious. Whichever PL team was playing Coventry, Coventry would have the support of everyone else. No different to when Wigan beat City, even though technically Wigan were still in EPL
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He wasn't talking about ABUs or people supporting the underdogs... Why would that matter at Wembley?
He was talking about luck, fate, fortune etc... This is a sign of a weak mentality. Heads dropping when things start to go wrong.
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No he wasn't.
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oh, that puts that to bed then doesn't it, you fockin tard
Firstly, that doesnt make any sense then because your argument was "Spurs dont win anything" because a fan wants a manager who hypothetically won an FA Cup to be sacked.
Secondly he never said ETH should be sacked now, I imagine he wants him gone at the end of the season like most logical Utd fans should.
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I'm not even strictly ETH out... I blow hot and cold on that one. If we decide to give him another season to sort it out, i'll be fine with that.
The idea that people are being harsh in their evaluations of him are. It's not like people on here solely blame him for everything... They've weighed up what has happened over two seasons and have spoken truthfully about the situation.
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IF you factored in everything he has had to deal with, and consider the fact that we will have a newly implemented football hierarchy, plus the other major clubs looking for managers this Summer, its hard to see why people would want him sacked.
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It's really not, if you have eyes and watch football.
He's had to cope with injuries and a couple of off field distractions... Like most managers do.
Our biggest issue is mentality and that has to come down to the management team. Maguire's interview after the match spoke volumes when he said "It felt like the universe wanted Coventry to win"... That is 100% a mentality issue.
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That mentality is something SAF used to motivate his teams.
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I don't read too much into what Maguire said - he was just stating the obvious. Whichever PL team was playing Coventry, Coventry would have the support of everyone else. No different to when Wigan beat City, even though technically Wigan were still in EPL
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He wasn't talking about ABUs or people supporting the underdogs... Why would that matter at Wembley?
He was talking about luck, fate, fortune etc... This is a sign of a weak mentality. Heads dropping when things start to go wrong.
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No he wasn't.
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oh, that puts that to bed then doesn't it, you fockin tard
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It didn't require anything else. You were wrong.
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I'm not even strictly ETH out... I blow hot and cold on that one. If we decide to give him another season to sort it out, i'll be fine with that.
The idea that people are being harsh in their evaluations of him are daft though. It's not like people on here solely blame him for everything... They've weighed up what has happened over two seasons and have spoken truthfully about the situation.
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IF you factored in everything he has had to deal with, and consider the fact that we will have a newly implemented football hierarchy, plus the other major clubs looking for managers this Summer, its hard to see why people would want him sacked.
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It's really not, if you have eyes and watch football.
He's had to cope with injuries and a couple of off field distractions... Like most managers do.
Our biggest issue is mentality and that has to come down to the management team. Maguire's interview after the match spoke volumes when he said "It felt like the universe wanted Coventry to win"... That is 100% a mentality issue.
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That mentality is something SAF used to motivate his teams.
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I don't read too much into what Maguire said - he was just stating the obvious. Whichever PL team was playing Coventry, Coventry would have the support of everyone else. No different to when Wigan beat City, even though technically Wigan were still in EPL
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He wasn't talking about ABUs or people supporting the underdogs... Why would that matter at Wembley?
He was talking about luck, fate, fortune etc... This is a sign of a weak mentality. Heads dropping when things start to go wrong.
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No he wasn't.
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So either he was or he wasn't .
But regardless, no matter how strong minded you were, if you had been pulled back to 3-3 from 3-0 up, you would feel the pressure a bit, especially in those circumstances
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Firstly, that doesnt make any sense then because your argument was "Spurs dont win anything" because a fan wants a manager who hypothetically won an FA Cup to be sacked.
Secondly he never said ETH should be sacked now, I imagine he wants him gone at the end of the season like most logical Utd fans should.
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Yes, because even a trophy winning manager would be sacked of he had his way. Ridiculous given your lack of trophies In recent decades.
From the outside looking in, yes I think he deserves another season. He came to the club when it was struggling, kind of like Ange has done with us, and then achieved cup success and a top 3 finish in his debut season. I know the expectations between Man United and Spurs are different but taking that out of the equation for a second, when our fans and media are saying Ange has done a good job when we've not done anything in the cups, didn't have Europe, and in all likelihood won't finish in the top 4, then what does that make what ETH did in his first season? Plus all the other internal problems as you say, and yet they could still finish on a high.
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances, he should have some credit in the bank to see the start of next season.
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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I'm not even strictly ETH out... I blow hot and cold on that one. If we decide to give him another season to sort it out, i'll be fine with that.
The idea that people are being harsh in their evaluations of him are. It's not like people on here solely blame him for everything... They've weighed up what has happened over two seasons and have spoken truthfully about the situation.
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IF you factored in everything he has had to deal with, and consider the fact that we will have a newly implemented football hierarchy, plus the other major clubs looking for managers this Summer, its hard to see why people would want him sacked.
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It's really not, if you have eyes and watch football.
He's had to cope with injuries and a couple of off field distractions... Like most managers do.
Our biggest issue is mentality and that has to come down to the management team. Maguire's interview after the match spoke volumes when he said "It felt like the universe wanted Coventry to win"... That is 100% a mentality issue.
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That mentality is something SAF used to motivate his teams.
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I don't read too much into what Maguire said - he was just stating the obvious. Whichever PL team was playing Coventry, Coventry would have the support of everyone else. No different to when Wigan beat City, even though technically Wigan were still in EPL
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He wasn't talking about ABUs or people supporting the underdogs... Why would that matter at Wembley?
He was talking about luck, fate, fortune etc... This is a sign of a weak mentality. Heads dropping when things start to go wrong.
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No he wasn't.
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oh, that puts that to bed then doesn't it, you fockin tard
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It didn't require anything else. You were wrong.
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So i ask again, why would he care if people outside of Wembley wanted Coventry to win? We are Man UTD, the majority of people will always want us to lose 95% of our games... What made this so different that he felt the need to comment?
It was obviously more to do with what was happening on the pitch.
But anyway, it's inconsequential... None of us get any say in the matter, re, ETH... So let's see what the rest of the season brings... Hopefully a cup and a new way of how we work as a club. New manager or not.
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Firstly, that doesnt make any sense then because your argument was "Spurs dont win anything" because a fan wants a manager who hypothetically won an FA Cup to be sacked.
Secondly he never said ETH should be sacked now, I imagine he wants him gone at the end of the season like most logical Utd fans should.
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Yes, because even a trophy winning manager would be sacked of he had his way. Ridiculous given your lack of trophies In recent decades.
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I notice that you just put a bunch of words and phrases together and hope it means something
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From the outside looking in, yes I think he deserves another season. He came to the club when it was struggling, kind of like Ange has done with us, and then achieved cup success and a top 3 finish in his debut season. I know the expectations between Man United and Spurs are different but taking that out of the equation for a second, when our fans and media are saying Ange has done a good job when we've not done anything in the cups, didn't have Europe, and in all likelihood won't finish in the top 4, then what does that make what ETH did in his first season? Plus all the other internal problems as you say, and yet they could still finish on a high.
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances, he should have some credit in the bank to see the start of next season.
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The first season made a rod for his back - he overachieved, but as a result it raised the expectation.
Whether it was unfair to place so much emphasis on him for transfers, ultimately they haven't been great, he has tried to implement a new playing style which hasn't worked, and the performances really have been dire.
Even if we win the FA Cup, there is a feeling that the club has gone backwards a bit - the league is your bread and butter, some of the defeats and performances have been shocking, and he hasn't got the players really believing in him.
I think he's struggling and better for everyone if he goes.
It will be interesting to see how Ange does next season, Villa too. Managers can come in and get a good season, but the tough ask is to maintain that.
Winning cups is good, but for a club like ours, we should be top 4 minimum, and eventually challenging for the title.
We feel miles away from that
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Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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From the outside looking in, yes I think he deserves another season. He came to the club when it was struggling, kind of like Ange has done with us, and then achieved cup success and a top 3 finish in his debut season. I know the expectations between Man United and Spurs are different but taking that out of the equation for a second, when our fans and media are saying Ange has done a good job when we've not done anything in the cups, didn't have Europe, and in all likelihood won't finish in the top 4, then what does that make what ETH did in his first season? Plus all the other internal problems as you say, and yet they could still finish on a high.
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances, he should have some credit in the bank to see the start of next season.
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The first season made a rod for his back - he overachieved, but as a result it raised the expectation.
Whether it was unfair to place so much emphasis on him for transfers, ultimately they haven't been great, he has tried to implement a new playing style which hasn't worked, and the performances really have been dire.
Even if we win the FA Cup, there is a feeling that the club has gone backwards a bit - the league is your bread and butter, some of the defeats and performances have been shocking, and he hasn't got the players really believing in him.
I think he's struggling and better for everyone if he goes.
It will be interesting to see how Ange does next season, Villa too. Managers can come in and get a good season, but the tough ask is to maintain that.
Winning cups is good, but for a club like ours, we should be top 4 minimum, and eventually challenging for the title.
We feel miles away from that
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Well some need longer even than a couple of seasons to get things going in order to be able to maintain the good form. Fergie did, Arteta could be another example.
I think with a new owner and perhaps some squad upheaval, there wouldn't be any harm in giving ETH a bit more time. If you aren't starting the season well, then get rid. Who else is there anyway who is going to instantly take things to another level? It's not like there's some ready and available quality manager out there who you'll regret missing out on if you don't move in soon, or am I missing someone?
Cant see much changing until the Summer.
I just hope the manager can use yesterday to motivate them all for the rest of the season.
Ornstein just tweeted Amorim to Liverpool 'looks unlikely' on a tweet linking him with West Ham job.
If there's a chance he could now off Liverpool's radar then we should be all over that. Talented coach and we have a good history with Sporting too.
I thought he was a shoe in for the dippers job but perhaps not. I'd prefer him over Tuchel but I'd prefer either of them over ETH, Southgate and Potter.
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Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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So only managers are responsible for performances, not players as well? Man United losing their 3-0 lead to Coventry was solely on ETH?
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Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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So only managers are responsible for performances, not players as well? Man United losing their 3-0 lead to Coventry was solely on ETH?
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Nobody is saying this. There's definitely more people to blame than just the manager. Still gotta go though. We play horrendous football with absolute no control or clue. That doesn't mean the players get a free ride though. Lots of them need to go too.
Shambles of a club.
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Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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So only managers are responsible for performances, not players as well? Man United losing their 3-0 lead to Coventry was solely on ETH?
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In my opinion, yeah. You get freak things where a player has a nightmare and gives away a goal or misses a bunch of open goal chances, that's why I wouldn't blame them for individual results. But the manager is entirely responsible for the performance of the team as far as I see it.
He picks the team (usually has a decent say over who's even in the squad in the first place), tactics, motivates them, the in-game subs etc. If enough players start underperforming that they're losing 3-0 leads that's on the manager to sort it out.
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Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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So only managers are responsible for performances, not players as well? Man United losing their 3-0 lead to Coventry was solely on ETH?
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In my opinion, yeah. You get freak things where a player has a nightmare and gives away a goal or misses a bunch of open goal chances, that's why I wouldn't blame them for individual results. But the manager is entirely responsible for the performance of the team as far as I see it.
He picks the team (usually has a decent say over who's even in the squad in the first place), tactics, motivates them, the in-game subs etc. If enough players start underperforming that they're losing 3-0 leads that's on the manager to sort it out.
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You can give them all the direction you want,.Once they enter the pitch, it's on them.
Players get given too easy and ride at United. It's all the Glazers or Woodward or Murtough or the managers fault.
He’s definitely been sabotaged on a lot of things but United need a fresh start and won’t get that if they stick with ETH. I hope you do stick with him tbh but Safegate could provide some interesting bantz so let’s see what happens.
You can give them all the direction you want,.Once they enter the pitch, it's on them.
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I don't understand this. Individual mistakes maybe but over a season, in general.. of course it's on the manager who's still giving the directions they can't follow or picking players that can't follow them.
I mean, if United were playing at the peak of their potential (ie at their spending level or at least close to it) I'd get your point. But you're way off in terms of results and performances.
You can give them all the direction you want,.Once they enter the pitch, it's on them.
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are you suggesting that the players either individually or collectively refuse to follow instructions from the manager given prior to and during matches. Basically 'down tooling'?
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You can give them all the direction you want,.Once they enter the pitch, it's on them.
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are you suggesting that the players either individually or collectively refuse to follow instructions from the manager given prior to and during matches. Basically 'down tooling'?
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There’s probably an element of that going on. How many pundits have said that these groups of players through the manager under the bus?
Seems to me the exact opposite of what's going on. The team generally plays badly but individuals are pulling results out with individual performances and saving the manager from getting sacked
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Ultimately, it’s about success, and ETH has trumped anything Ange has done in his 1st season at Spurs.
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well if Ange has a second season like Ten Hag and completely loses the mind I'll want him gone
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What about if he won an FA Cup that season?
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Yes because I don't let single games of football swing my thoughts on a manager.
People are already complaining about our defending, if next season we became a legitimate relegation quality defence (United are 16th for expected goals conceded), whilst getting worse going forward (United are 13th for Expected Goals For), then I would undoubtedly want Ange sacked.
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That's probably partly why you don't win anything then.
Calling for the sacking of a good manager in his 2nd season, after winning an FA Cup.
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How could that be why we dont win anything when in the same scenario you concocted literally has us winning something?
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Because the guy would he wanted the manager sacked now, before the final
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I'm not even strictly ETH out... I blow hot and cold on that one. If we decide to give him another season to sort it out, i'll be fine with that.
The idea that people are being harsh in their evaluations of him are daft though. It's not like people on here solely blame him for everything... They've weighed up what has happened over two seasons and have spoken truthfully about the situation.
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IF you factored in everything he has had to deal with, and consider the fact that we will have a newly implemented football hierarchy, plus the other major clubs looking for managers this Summer, its hard to see why people would want him sacked.
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It's really not, if you have eyes and watch football.
He's had to cope with injuries and a couple of off field distractions... Like most managers do.
Our biggest issue is mentality and that has to come down to the management team. Maguire's interview after the match spoke volumes when he said "It felt like the universe wanted Coventry to win"... That is 100% a mentality issue.
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That mentality is something SAF used to motivate his teams.
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I don't read too much into what Maguire said - he was just stating the obvious. Whichever PL team was playing Coventry, Coventry would have the support of everyone else. No different to when Wigan beat City, even though technically Wigan were still in EPL
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He wasn't talking about ABUs or people supporting the underdogs... Why would that matter at Wembley?
He was talking about luck, fate, fortune etc... This is a sign of a weak mentality. Heads dropping when things start to go wrong.
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No he wasn't.
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oh, that puts that to bed then doesn't it, you fockin tard
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Firstly, that doesnt make any sense then because your argument was "Spurs dont win anything" because a fan wants a manager who hypothetically won an FA Cup to be sacked.
Secondly he never said ETH should be sacked now, I imagine he wants him gone at the end of the season like most logical Utd fans should.
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I'm not even strictly ETH out... I blow hot and cold on that one. If we decide to give him another season to sort it out, i'll be fine with that.
The idea that people are being harsh in their evaluations of him are. It's not like people on here solely blame him for everything... They've weighed up what has happened over two seasons and have spoken truthfully about the situation.
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IF you factored in everything he has had to deal with, and consider the fact that we will have a newly implemented football hierarchy, plus the other major clubs looking for managers this Summer, its hard to see why people would want him sacked.
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It's really not, if you have eyes and watch football.
He's had to cope with injuries and a couple of off field distractions... Like most managers do.
Our biggest issue is mentality and that has to come down to the management team. Maguire's interview after the match spoke volumes when he said "It felt like the universe wanted Coventry to win"... That is 100% a mentality issue.
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That mentality is something SAF used to motivate his teams.
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I don't read too much into what Maguire said - he was just stating the obvious. Whichever PL team was playing Coventry, Coventry would have the support of everyone else. No different to when Wigan beat City, even though technically Wigan were still in EPL
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He wasn't talking about ABUs or people supporting the underdogs... Why would that matter at Wembley?
He was talking about luck, fate, fortune etc... This is a sign of a weak mentality. Heads dropping when things start to go wrong.
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No he wasn't.
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oh, that puts that to bed then doesn't it, you fockin tard
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It didn't require anything else. You were wrong.
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posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not even strictly ETH out... I blow hot and cold on that one. If we decide to give him another season to sort it out, i'll be fine with that.
The idea that people are being harsh in their evaluations of him are daft though. It's not like people on here solely blame him for everything... They've weighed up what has happened over two seasons and have spoken truthfully about the situation.
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IF you factored in everything he has had to deal with, and consider the fact that we will have a newly implemented football hierarchy, plus the other major clubs looking for managers this Summer, its hard to see why people would want him sacked.
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It's really not, if you have eyes and watch football.
He's had to cope with injuries and a couple of off field distractions... Like most managers do.
Our biggest issue is mentality and that has to come down to the management team. Maguire's interview after the match spoke volumes when he said "It felt like the universe wanted Coventry to win"... That is 100% a mentality issue.
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That mentality is something SAF used to motivate his teams.
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I don't read too much into what Maguire said - he was just stating the obvious. Whichever PL team was playing Coventry, Coventry would have the support of everyone else. No different to when Wigan beat City, even though technically Wigan were still in EPL
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He wasn't talking about ABUs or people supporting the underdogs... Why would that matter at Wembley?
He was talking about luck, fate, fortune etc... This is a sign of a weak mentality. Heads dropping when things start to go wrong.
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No he wasn't.
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So either he was or he wasn't .
But regardless, no matter how strong minded you were, if you had been pulled back to 3-3 from 3-0 up, you would feel the pressure a bit, especially in those circumstances
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 5 minutes ago
Firstly, that doesnt make any sense then because your argument was "Spurs dont win anything" because a fan wants a manager who hypothetically won an FA Cup to be sacked.
Secondly he never said ETH should be sacked now, I imagine he wants him gone at the end of the season like most logical Utd fans should.
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Yes, because even a trophy winning manager would be sacked of he had his way. Ridiculous given your lack of trophies In recent decades.
posted 2 weeks ago
From the outside looking in, yes I think he deserves another season. He came to the club when it was struggling, kind of like Ange has done with us, and then achieved cup success and a top 3 finish in his debut season. I know the expectations between Man United and Spurs are different but taking that out of the equation for a second, when our fans and media are saying Ange has done a good job when we've not done anything in the cups, didn't have Europe, and in all likelihood won't finish in the top 4, then what does that make what ETH did in his first season? Plus all the other internal problems as you say, and yet they could still finish on a high.
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances, he should have some credit in the bank to see the start of next season.
posted 2 weeks ago
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not even strictly ETH out... I blow hot and cold on that one. If we decide to give him another season to sort it out, i'll be fine with that.
The idea that people are being harsh in their evaluations of him are. It's not like people on here solely blame him for everything... They've weighed up what has happened over two seasons and have spoken truthfully about the situation.
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IF you factored in everything he has had to deal with, and consider the fact that we will have a newly implemented football hierarchy, plus the other major clubs looking for managers this Summer, its hard to see why people would want him sacked.
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It's really not, if you have eyes and watch football.
He's had to cope with injuries and a couple of off field distractions... Like most managers do.
Our biggest issue is mentality and that has to come down to the management team. Maguire's interview after the match spoke volumes when he said "It felt like the universe wanted Coventry to win"... That is 100% a mentality issue.
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That mentality is something SAF used to motivate his teams.
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I don't read too much into what Maguire said - he was just stating the obvious. Whichever PL team was playing Coventry, Coventry would have the support of everyone else. No different to when Wigan beat City, even though technically Wigan were still in EPL
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He wasn't talking about ABUs or people supporting the underdogs... Why would that matter at Wembley?
He was talking about luck, fate, fortune etc... This is a sign of a weak mentality. Heads dropping when things start to go wrong.
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No he wasn't.
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oh, that puts that to bed then doesn't it, you fockin tard
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It didn't require anything else. You were wrong.
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So i ask again, why would he care if people outside of Wembley wanted Coventry to win? We are Man UTD, the majority of people will always want us to lose 95% of our games... What made this so different that he felt the need to comment?
It was obviously more to do with what was happening on the pitch.
But anyway, it's inconsequential... None of us get any say in the matter, re, ETH... So let's see what the rest of the season brings... Hopefully a cup and a new way of how we work as a club. New manager or not.
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 5 minutes ago
Firstly, that doesnt make any sense then because your argument was "Spurs dont win anything" because a fan wants a manager who hypothetically won an FA Cup to be sacked.
Secondly he never said ETH should be sacked now, I imagine he wants him gone at the end of the season like most logical Utd fans should.
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Yes, because even a trophy winning manager would be sacked of he had his way. Ridiculous given your lack of trophies In recent decades.
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I notice that you just put a bunch of words and phrases together and hope it means something
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
From the outside looking in, yes I think he deserves another season. He came to the club when it was struggling, kind of like Ange has done with us, and then achieved cup success and a top 3 finish in his debut season. I know the expectations between Man United and Spurs are different but taking that out of the equation for a second, when our fans and media are saying Ange has done a good job when we've not done anything in the cups, didn't have Europe, and in all likelihood won't finish in the top 4, then what does that make what ETH did in his first season? Plus all the other internal problems as you say, and yet they could still finish on a high.
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances, he should have some credit in the bank to see the start of next season.
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The first season made a rod for his back - he overachieved, but as a result it raised the expectation.
Whether it was unfair to place so much emphasis on him for transfers, ultimately they haven't been great, he has tried to implement a new playing style which hasn't worked, and the performances really have been dire.
Even if we win the FA Cup, there is a feeling that the club has gone backwards a bit - the league is your bread and butter, some of the defeats and performances have been shocking, and he hasn't got the players really believing in him.
I think he's struggling and better for everyone if he goes.
It will be interesting to see how Ange does next season, Villa too. Managers can come in and get a good season, but the tough ask is to maintain that.
Winning cups is good, but for a club like ours, we should be top 4 minimum, and eventually challenging for the title.
We feel miles away from that
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
From the outside looking in, yes I think he deserves another season. He came to the club when it was struggling, kind of like Ange has done with us, and then achieved cup success and a top 3 finish in his debut season. I know the expectations between Man United and Spurs are different but taking that out of the equation for a second, when our fans and media are saying Ange has done a good job when we've not done anything in the cups, didn't have Europe, and in all likelihood won't finish in the top 4, then what does that make what ETH did in his first season? Plus all the other internal problems as you say, and yet they could still finish on a high.
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances, he should have some credit in the bank to see the start of next season.
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The first season made a rod for his back - he overachieved, but as a result it raised the expectation.
Whether it was unfair to place so much emphasis on him for transfers, ultimately they haven't been great, he has tried to implement a new playing style which hasn't worked, and the performances really have been dire.
Even if we win the FA Cup, there is a feeling that the club has gone backwards a bit - the league is your bread and butter, some of the defeats and performances have been shocking, and he hasn't got the players really believing in him.
I think he's struggling and better for everyone if he goes.
It will be interesting to see how Ange does next season, Villa too. Managers can come in and get a good season, but the tough ask is to maintain that.
Winning cups is good, but for a club like ours, we should be top 4 minimum, and eventually challenging for the title.
We feel miles away from that
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Well some need longer even than a couple of seasons to get things going in order to be able to maintain the good form. Fergie did, Arteta could be another example.
I think with a new owner and perhaps some squad upheaval, there wouldn't be any harm in giving ETH a bit more time. If you aren't starting the season well, then get rid. Who else is there anyway who is going to instantly take things to another level? It's not like there's some ready and available quality manager out there who you'll regret missing out on if you don't move in soon, or am I missing someone?
posted 2 weeks ago
Cant see much changing until the Summer.
I just hope the manager can use yesterday to motivate them all for the rest of the season.
posted 2 weeks ago
Ornstein just tweeted Amorim to Liverpool 'looks unlikely' on a tweet linking him with West Ham job.
If there's a chance he could now off Liverpool's radar then we should be all over that. Talented coach and we have a good history with Sporting too.
I thought he was a shoe in for the dippers job but perhaps not. I'd prefer him over Tuchel but I'd prefer either of them over ETH, Southgate and Potter.
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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So only managers are responsible for performances, not players as well? Man United losing their 3-0 lead to Coventry was solely on ETH?
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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So only managers are responsible for performances, not players as well? Man United losing their 3-0 lead to Coventry was solely on ETH?
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Nobody is saying this. There's definitely more people to blame than just the manager. Still gotta go though. We play horrendous football with absolute no control or clue. That doesn't mean the players get a free ride though. Lots of them need to go too.
Shambles of a club.
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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So only managers are responsible for performances, not players as well? Man United losing their 3-0 lead to Coventry was solely on ETH?
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In my opinion, yeah. You get freak things where a player has a nightmare and gives away a goal or misses a bunch of open goal chances, that's why I wouldn't blame them for individual results. But the manager is entirely responsible for the performance of the team as far as I see it.
He picks the team (usually has a decent say over who's even in the squad in the first place), tactics, motivates them, the in-game subs etc. If enough players start underperforming that they're losing 3-0 leads that's on the manager to sort it out.
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Amrabats in the Belfry (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
Despite the things he hasn't got right, such as the signings, and the performances
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... he has otherwise been top class?
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Well he is only partly responsible for the performances remember.
Overall he's done ok, everything considered.
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Minor point, but managers are entirely responsible for performances. Maybe not individual results..
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So only managers are responsible for performances, not players as well? Man United losing their 3-0 lead to Coventry was solely on ETH?
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In my opinion, yeah. You get freak things where a player has a nightmare and gives away a goal or misses a bunch of open goal chances, that's why I wouldn't blame them for individual results. But the manager is entirely responsible for the performance of the team as far as I see it.
He picks the team (usually has a decent say over who's even in the squad in the first place), tactics, motivates them, the in-game subs etc. If enough players start underperforming that they're losing 3-0 leads that's on the manager to sort it out.
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You can give them all the direction you want,.Once they enter the pitch, it's on them.
Players get given too easy and ride at United. It's all the Glazers or Woodward or Murtough or the managers fault.
posted 2 weeks ago
He’s definitely been sabotaged on a lot of things but United need a fresh start and won’t get that if they stick with ETH. I hope you do stick with him tbh but Safegate could provide some interesting bantz so let’s see what happens.
posted 2 weeks ago
You can give them all the direction you want,.Once they enter the pitch, it's on them.
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I don't understand this. Individual mistakes maybe but over a season, in general.. of course it's on the manager who's still giving the directions they can't follow or picking players that can't follow them.
I mean, if United were playing at the peak of their potential (ie at their spending level or at least close to it) I'd get your point. But you're way off in terms of results and performances.
posted 2 weeks ago
You can give them all the direction you want,.Once they enter the pitch, it's on them.
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are you suggesting that the players either individually or collectively refuse to follow instructions from the manager given prior to and during matches. Basically 'down tooling'?
posted 2 weeks ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
You can give them all the direction you want,.Once they enter the pitch, it's on them.
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are you suggesting that the players either individually or collectively refuse to follow instructions from the manager given prior to and during matches. Basically 'down tooling'?
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There’s probably an element of that going on. How many pundits have said that these groups of players through the manager under the bus?
posted 2 weeks ago
Seems to me the exact opposite of what's going on. The team generally plays badly but individuals are pulling results out with individual performances and saving the manager from getting sacked
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