posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 3 seconds ago
You're really outraged about something that hasn't happened yet, aren't you? Is it not implausible that United will not ask for any public money for the stadium itself.
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I’ll be amazed if they don’t. But I rarely expect them to do the right thing. It shouldn’t ever have even been suggested.
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Has it been suggested *by them* that public money should go into the stadium itself? (That's a genuine question, not a rhetorical one.)
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Not completely out right, but it’s implied by Jim the rat here: https://theathletic.com/5288294/2024/02/23/explained-could-man-united-use-public-money-to-rebuild-old-trafford/
It’s ratcliffe, of course he’s going to try and get some other mug to pay for it if possible. He’s not going to put his hand in his pocket if he can avoid it
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
It wears a bit thin, especially for a club like United who were king pin, got very used to winning everything, but have been in the relative wilderness for a decade.
If they truly are cutting expenses even on the minute level then you wonder (1) how bad must the finances be and (2) is this sort of penny pinching approach going to be followed through all levels of the club, because if it is then just being Man Utd isnt now not good enough on its own to get deals done that you want done. There is competition, there are big agents fees to pay and Utd have set a bar for expectations in terms of fees and wages over the last decade.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
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The sort of changes they are allegedly trying to make are exactly the sort of long term changes that patience is required for?
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
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posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the... (U19119)
posted 44 seconds ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
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The sort of changes they are allegedly trying to make are exactly the sort of long term changes that patience is required for?
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indeed, but "patience" and "football fans" rarely sit comfortably together. He's gotta realise that and manage it because a slow start next season or with a new manager and fans dont give a shiiiiit about long term plans and progress becomes very difficult when it doesnt happen fast enough.
Realistically, United will do well to get a new stadium fully operating before the end of the decade. Minimum 5 year thing i would say.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
To answer the op's original question in the title ...
If these INEOS characters decide to keep Ten Hag for another season , then the answer the question is a big NO.
You can't talk about being success-driven and think that the bald fraud is the man for you.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 seconds ago
Once again I think the simpletons are missing the point. This isn't just about cutting down costs as as someone above has pointed out that it isn't a huge saving in the grand scheme of things. It's about sending a message to the employees that the free rides are over. Disneyland as Woodward once described it is now closed.
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That should be done in the day to day operations of the club under the new management though, this just feels like an insulting misstep to me.
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Not really. You quite clearly have no idea of the shear size of the entourage that go along with the team. It is way too large and needs well trimming down.
We have club ambassadors for smelling farts.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
Of course we're not worried. United are cursed.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 seconds ago
Once again I think the simpletons are missing the point. This isn't just about cutting down costs as as someone above has pointed out that it isn't a huge saving in the grand scheme of things. It's about sending a message to the employees that the free rides are over. Disneyland as Woodward once described it is now closed.
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That should be done in the day to day operations of the club under the new management though, this just feels like an insulting misstep to me.
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Not really. You quite clearly have no idea of the shear size of the entourage that go along with the team. It is way too large and needs well trimming down.
We have club ambassadors for smelling farts.
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Well I'm not familiar with the backroom staff of Utd and while I'm sure there's plenty taking the pizz I'm sure there's plenty of deserving people who have been negatively impacted.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the... (U19119)
posted 44 seconds ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
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The sort of changes they are allegedly trying to make are exactly the sort of long term changes that patience is required for?
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indeed, but "patience" and "football fans" rarely sit comfortably together. He's gotta realise that and manage it because a slow start next season or with a new manager and fans dont give a shiiiiit about long term plans and progress becomes very difficult when it doesnt happen fast enough.
Realistically, United will do well to get a new stadium fully operating before the end of the decade. Minimum 5 year thing i would say.
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United supporters have been patient for 10 years now.
Nobody with a brain expects things to change overnight just because INEOS now have feet under the table. And Jim echoed this again on Sunday on TV before the Coventry game. New stadium would be nice too but priority has to be getting back to competing with the best first.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I'm not a United fan, but if I were, I'd be concerned at the 'marginal gains' thing. They need to make big gains. While every club needs to improve and be sustainable this is Manchester United, not Brighton.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 16 minutes ago
I'm not a United fan, but if I were, I'd be concerned at the 'marginal gains' thing. They need to make big gains. While every club needs to improve and be sustainable this is Manchester United, not Brighton.
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yes we need to make big gains but the theory is that you do it by making marginal ones in every single aspect of the operation which when combined make a big one. According to Brailsford. And TBF he did it with UK Cycling.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
Fair. But tbf every top club will be doing that. It's like him saying he's after the next Mbappe or Bellingham as if no one else had the same idea. Not saying it's a bad approach but I feel like you need something really excellent and game changing to see real progress in any reasonable timeframe. I dunno. Maybe under the constraints of the Glazers that's the best he can do
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 47 minutes ago
Fair. But tbf every top club will be doing that. It's like him saying he's after the next Mbappe or Bellingham as if no one else had the same idea. Not saying it's a bad approach but I feel like you need something really excellent and game changing to see real progress in any reasonable timeframe. I dunno. Maybe under the constraints of the Glazers that's the best he can do
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Even replicating the methods and standards of other clubs represents a huge leap forward for United because we've been so shockingly amateurish for years.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 47 minutes ago
Fair. But tbf every top club will be doing that. It's like him saying he's after the next Mbappe or Bellingham as if no one else had the same idea. Not saying it's a bad approach but I feel like you need something really excellent and game changing to see real progress in any reasonable timeframe. I dunno. Maybe under the constraints of the Glazers that's the best he can do
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Even replicating the methods and standards of other clubs represents a huge leap forward for United because we've been so shockingly amateurish for years.
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Yep. With Brailsford involved, I reckon the improvements and changes will see United reach the sort of figures City and Liverpool have reached in recent season. In terms of asthma cases at least.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I think the marginal gains is to do with maximising resources and then looking for that edge. If we are in a position to maximise our resources and make marginal games, that would see us making huge improvements. I don’t think there’s a team in sport that have ever underperformed compared to resources like we have the last ten years.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
*gains
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
United do need a major reset in terms of spending. Of course the vast vast majority of that is on low quality players on high wages but perhaps by getting the entire club culture more frugal it's part of that plan.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
I’m no opposer of company belt-tightening and certainly reversing the Glazer/Woodward pattern of over-rewarding.
But cutting non-playing staff benefits is not what I support, at all. Reduce player contract remuneration, shift it more heavily on bonuses, stop signing players for too much money & wages, sure.
But these types of benefits are nowhere near what has gone wrong with our club expenditure-wise.
A little disappointing tbh.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
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Yet those that do run it recently turned down c.£5B to exit.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
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Yet those that do run it recently turned down c.£5B to exit.
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The two won’t necessarily correlate RB&W
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 37 minutes ago
I’m no opposer of company belt-tightening and certainly reversing the Glazer/Woodward pattern of over-rewarding.
But cutting non-playing staff benefits is not what I support, at all. Reduce player contract remuneration, shift it more heavily on bonuses, stop signing players for too much money & wages, sure.
But these types of benefits are nowhere near what has gone wrong with our club expenditure-wise.
A little disappointing tbh.
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Agreed. It seems like while many other things have gone badly wrong over the last decade, the club has kept its old sense of being a bit of a family, with everyone chatting to the tea lady etc. I think that kind of sense of community is valuable in itself, and who knows, perhaps can be harnessed to make the whole organisation more effective. Not necessarily a prerequisite of a high performing club (I get the impression that maybe Liverpool and Arsenal have this and maybe Chelsea and City don't) but a good thing to nurture if you have it.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
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Yet those that do run it recently turned down c.£5B to exit.
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The two won’t necessarily correlate RB&W
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Wasn’t the fake sheikh exposed as that, meaning it wasn’t really ever a real option?
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
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Yet those that do run it recently turned down c.£5B to exit.
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The two won’t necessarily correlate RB&W
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Wasn’t the fake sheikh exposed as that, meaning it wasn’t really ever a real option?
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Jims offer was real.
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posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 3 seconds ago
You're really outraged about something that hasn't happened yet, aren't you? Is it not implausible that United will not ask for any public money for the stadium itself.
—
I’ll be amazed if they don’t. But I rarely expect them to do the right thing. It shouldn’t ever have even been suggested.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Has it been suggested *by them* that public money should go into the stadium itself? (That's a genuine question, not a rhetorical one.)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not completely out right, but it’s implied by Jim the rat here: https://theathletic.com/5288294/2024/02/23/explained-could-man-united-use-public-money-to-rebuild-old-trafford/
It’s ratcliffe, of course he’s going to try and get some other mug to pay for it if possible. He’s not going to put his hand in his pocket if he can avoid it
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
It wears a bit thin, especially for a club like United who were king pin, got very used to winning everything, but have been in the relative wilderness for a decade.
If they truly are cutting expenses even on the minute level then you wonder (1) how bad must the finances be and (2) is this sort of penny pinching approach going to be followed through all levels of the club, because if it is then just being Man Utd isnt now not good enough on its own to get deals done that you want done. There is competition, there are big agents fees to pay and Utd have set a bar for expectations in terms of fees and wages over the last decade.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
—
The sort of changes they are allegedly trying to make are exactly the sort of long term changes that patience is required for?
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
———
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the... (U19119)
posted 44 seconds ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
—
The sort of changes they are allegedly trying to make are exactly the sort of long term changes that patience is required for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
indeed, but "patience" and "football fans" rarely sit comfortably together. He's gotta realise that and manage it because a slow start next season or with a new manager and fans dont give a shiiiiit about long term plans and progress becomes very difficult when it doesnt happen fast enough.
Realistically, United will do well to get a new stadium fully operating before the end of the decade. Minimum 5 year thing i would say.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
To answer the op's original question in the title ...
If these INEOS characters decide to keep Ten Hag for another season , then the answer the question is a big NO.
You can't talk about being success-driven and think that the bald fraud is the man for you.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 seconds ago
Once again I think the simpletons are missing the point. This isn't just about cutting down costs as as someone above has pointed out that it isn't a huge saving in the grand scheme of things. It's about sending a message to the employees that the free rides are over. Disneyland as Woodward once described it is now closed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That should be done in the day to day operations of the club under the new management though, this just feels like an insulting misstep to me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really. You quite clearly have no idea of the shear size of the entourage that go along with the team. It is way too large and needs well trimming down.
We have club ambassadors for smelling farts.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
Of course we're not worried. United are cursed.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 seconds ago
Once again I think the simpletons are missing the point. This isn't just about cutting down costs as as someone above has pointed out that it isn't a huge saving in the grand scheme of things. It's about sending a message to the employees that the free rides are over. Disneyland as Woodward once described it is now closed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That should be done in the day to day operations of the club under the new management though, this just feels like an insulting misstep to me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really. You quite clearly have no idea of the shear size of the entourage that go along with the team. It is way too large and needs well trimming down.
We have club ambassadors for smelling farts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well I'm not familiar with the backroom staff of Utd and while I'm sure there's plenty taking the pizz I'm sure there's plenty of deserving people who have been negatively impacted.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the... (U19119)
posted 44 seconds ago
I would be a bit worried that Sir Jim has said, on repeat, about the need for patience.
—
The sort of changes they are allegedly trying to make are exactly the sort of long term changes that patience is required for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
indeed, but "patience" and "football fans" rarely sit comfortably together. He's gotta realise that and manage it because a slow start next season or with a new manager and fans dont give a shiiiiit about long term plans and progress becomes very difficult when it doesnt happen fast enough.
Realistically, United will do well to get a new stadium fully operating before the end of the decade. Minimum 5 year thing i would say.
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United supporters have been patient for 10 years now.
Nobody with a brain expects things to change overnight just because INEOS now have feet under the table. And Jim echoed this again on Sunday on TV before the Coventry game. New stadium would be nice too but priority has to be getting back to competing with the best first.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I'm not a United fan, but if I were, I'd be concerned at the 'marginal gains' thing. They need to make big gains. While every club needs to improve and be sustainable this is Manchester United, not Brighton.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 16 minutes ago
I'm not a United fan, but if I were, I'd be concerned at the 'marginal gains' thing. They need to make big gains. While every club needs to improve and be sustainable this is Manchester United, not Brighton.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes we need to make big gains but the theory is that you do it by making marginal ones in every single aspect of the operation which when combined make a big one. According to Brailsford. And TBF he did it with UK Cycling.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
Fair. But tbf every top club will be doing that. It's like him saying he's after the next Mbappe or Bellingham as if no one else had the same idea. Not saying it's a bad approach but I feel like you need something really excellent and game changing to see real progress in any reasonable timeframe. I dunno. Maybe under the constraints of the Glazers that's the best he can do
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 47 minutes ago
Fair. But tbf every top club will be doing that. It's like him saying he's after the next Mbappe or Bellingham as if no one else had the same idea. Not saying it's a bad approach but I feel like you need something really excellent and game changing to see real progress in any reasonable timeframe. I dunno. Maybe under the constraints of the Glazers that's the best he can do
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Even replicating the methods and standards of other clubs represents a huge leap forward for United because we've been so shockingly amateurish for years.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 47 minutes ago
Fair. But tbf every top club will be doing that. It's like him saying he's after the next Mbappe or Bellingham as if no one else had the same idea. Not saying it's a bad approach but I feel like you need something really excellent and game changing to see real progress in any reasonable timeframe. I dunno. Maybe under the constraints of the Glazers that's the best he can do
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Even replicating the methods and standards of other clubs represents a huge leap forward for United because we've been so shockingly amateurish for years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. With Brailsford involved, I reckon the improvements and changes will see United reach the sort of figures City and Liverpool have reached in recent season. In terms of asthma cases at least.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
I think the marginal gains is to do with maximising resources and then looking for that edge. If we are in a position to maximise our resources and make marginal games, that would see us making huge improvements. I don’t think there’s a team in sport that have ever underperformed compared to resources like we have the last ten years.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
*gains
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
United do need a major reset in terms of spending. Of course the vast vast majority of that is on low quality players on high wages but perhaps by getting the entire club culture more frugal it's part of that plan.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
I’m no opposer of company belt-tightening and certainly reversing the Glazer/Woodward pattern of over-rewarding.
But cutting non-playing staff benefits is not what I support, at all. Reduce player contract remuneration, shift it more heavily on bonuses, stop signing players for too much money & wages, sure.
But these types of benefits are nowhere near what has gone wrong with our club expenditure-wise.
A little disappointing tbh.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
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Yet those that do run it recently turned down c.£5B to exit.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
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Yet those that do run it recently turned down c.£5B to exit.
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The two won’t necessarily correlate RB&W
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 37 minutes ago
I’m no opposer of company belt-tightening and certainly reversing the Glazer/Woodward pattern of over-rewarding.
But cutting non-playing staff benefits is not what I support, at all. Reduce player contract remuneration, shift it more heavily on bonuses, stop signing players for too much money & wages, sure.
But these types of benefits are nowhere near what has gone wrong with our club expenditure-wise.
A little disappointing tbh.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. It seems like while many other things have gone badly wrong over the last decade, the club has kept its old sense of being a bit of a family, with everyone chatting to the tea lady etc. I think that kind of sense of community is valuable in itself, and who knows, perhaps can be harnessed to make the whole organisation more effective. Not necessarily a prerequisite of a high performing club (I get the impression that maybe Liverpool and Arsenal have this and maybe Chelsea and City don't) but a good thing to nurture if you have it.
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
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Yet those that do run it recently turned down c.£5B to exit.
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The two won’t necessarily correlate RB&W
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Wasn’t the fake sheikh exposed as that, meaning it wasn’t really ever a real option?
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
If there was a case study in how not to run a large operation then United in the last 15 or so years would be the prime example.
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Yet those that do run it recently turned down c.£5B to exit.
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The two won’t necessarily correlate RB&W
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Wasn’t the fake sheikh exposed as that, meaning it wasn’t really ever a real option?
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Jims offer was real.
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