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comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/6/24

If he’s going to start Saka it should be at Lb, he’s struggled all tournament.

Playing all of Foden, Palmer and Bellingham gives us no width though.

Toney looked great when he came on, I think Bellingham and Foden would benefit from him starting, leaving Kane to come on fresh if we need a goal. I know it won’t happen mind.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 30/6/24

Why should it be for saka? He's the only one that looks threatening.

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why should it be for saka? He's the only one that looks threatening.
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That's club bias talking there. He hasn't looked threatening at all and I'm a huge Saka fan. He's a great player but he's having an awful tournament.

Take the blinkers off a bit. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't.

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
If he’s going to start Saka it should be at Lb, he’s struggled all tournament.

Playing all of Foden, Palmer and Bellingham gives us no width though.

Toney looked great when he came on, I think Bellingham and Foden would benefit from him starting, leaving Kane to come on fresh if we need a goal. I know it won’t happen mind.
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Why is it just Saka that's struggled? What about Kane, Foden, Bellingham. Palmer hardly pulled up any trees when he came on and that's not really a criticism of him when there are so many players not putting in performances then you have to look at the clueless bloke on the touchline.

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why should it be for saka? He's the only one that looks threatening.
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That's club bias talking there. He hasn't looked threatening at all and I'm a huge Saka fan. He's a great player but he's having an awful tournament.

Take the blinkers off a bit. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't.
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Saka hasnt been great but Foden has stunk the place up

posted on 30/6/24

Saka does look knackered - at least not 100% fit (he missed the last game of the season, and has been struggling in the weeks leading up to that.

The main problem for him though is, instead of Ben White overlapping and supporting him, for England he’s got Kyle Walker, who’s been absolutely awful in all four matches.

I’d start Palmer or Foden on the right against the Swiss, and either Saka or Eze left.

Mainoo did enough to suggest he’s the best midfield partner we have in the squad for Rice.

Hopefully Trippier isn’t available in time. At least not at LB.

posted on 30/6/24

Yeah I'm not sure why it should be Saka either, he hasn't looked his best but he's the only one trying to stretch the play. Palmer just came on and dropped deep and gave the impression of making stuff happen but lost the ball a lot. Kane and Foden are blunt, Bellingham similar to Saka in his levels.

Palmer makes sense if we have runners but he'll just stodge up the same space as everyone else. That's the issue that needs addressing more than anything.

posted on 30/6/24

It will be Dunk for Gauye and that's it

posted on 30/6/24

Could (should?) Kane, Bellingham and Toney start?

Might at least up the entertainment level.

posted on 30/6/24

For me I'd take out Foden for Gordon, put Trent at RB and move Walker to the left and leave it at that.

posted on 30/6/24

Kane generally looking rubbish but has moments pile the pass for the offside goal and still scoring.

posted on 30/6/24

I don’t think Saka looks too bad, has made the most sense in the system.

We just need a winger on the left who makes runs, Gordon or Watkins or whoever. Bellingham or Foden should come off.

Also anyone who thinks Kane should be dropped doesn’t understand football.

posted on 30/6/24

There are legitimate claims for most of the starting 11 to be swapped out. Southgate doesn’t really strike me as someone to make huge decisions during a tournament and sees moments like Bellingham’s last minute goal as vindication that he was right rather than the fact he needed such a dramatic late moment against a side like Slovakia meaning maybe he was wrong

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
If he’s going to start Saka it should be at Lb, he’s struggled all tournament.

Playing all of Foden, Palmer and Bellingham gives us no width though.

Toney looked great when he came on, I think Bellingham and Foden would benefit from him starting, leaving Kane to come on fresh if we need a goal. I know it won’t happen mind.
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Why is it just Saka that's struggled? What about Kane, Foden, Bellingham. Palmer hardly pulled up any trees when he came on and that's not really a criticism of him when there are so many players not putting in performances then you have to look at the clueless bloke on the touchline.
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Do you not see where I say to play Toney instead of Kane?

There’s definitely a lack of balance, really Gordon should be on the left because we’ve nothing in behind and good as Saka is he only wants the ball to feet. I just feel Palmer is more positive, keeps the ball better and is more likely to make something happen.

posted on 30/6/24

Classic Southgateball, no surprise once I saw the starting 11 against the 45th ranked team in the world despite GS we sneak through to the Quarters.

Switzerland are a pro active top 20 ranked side in the world which with Southgate adopting his usual defensive cautious ponderous approach for 60 plus minutes will see England exit the tournament probably 2 goals down before he reacts and brings on Palmer and Gordon.

If GS has some remarkable epiphany and out of character starts Palmer and Gordon then England beat Switzerland and should progress all the way to the final at the very least but sadly I think we all know that scenario is highly unlikely but a quarter final exit should be enough for Gareth to get his knighthood and we as England supporters can look forward to a new coach that doesn't put square pegs in round holes.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why should it be for saka? He's the only one that looks threatening.
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That's club bias talking there. He hasn't looked threatening at all and I'm a huge Saka fan. He's a great player but he's having an awful tournament.

Take the blinkers off a bit. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't.
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I'm the one with club bias eh? Palmer's done very little in his cameos, even against tired legs.

Foden has done nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. But nobody wants him dropped. I wonder why that is.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why should it be for saka? He's the only one that looks threatening.
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That's club bias talking there. He hasn't looked threatening at all and I'm a huge Saka fan. He's a great player but he's having an awful tournament.

Take the blinkers off a bit. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't.
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I'm the one with club bias eh? Palmer's done very little in his cameos, even against tired legs.

Foden has done nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. But nobody wants him dropped. I wonder why that is.
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I agree foden on the left hasn’t worked, and there’s no chance of it working either without an overlapping full back. Didn’t work in the WC either.

Should’ve taken Grealish and Rashford if he isn’t going to trust Gordon.

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why should it be for saka? He's the only one that looks threatening.
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That's club bias talking there. He hasn't looked threatening at all and I'm a huge Saka fan. He's a great player but he's having an awful tournament.

Take the blinkers off a bit. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't.
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I'm the one with club bias eh? Palmer's done very little in his cameos, even against tired legs.

Foden has done nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. But nobody wants him dropped. I wonder why that is.
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Plenty want him dropped. Some others want him to start but not on the left wing.

Personally if he does start them, I’d swap them over. I don’t think it makes much difference who the front three are though.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
If he’s going to start Saka it should be at Lb, he’s struggled all tournament.

Playing all of Foden, Palmer and Bellingham gives us no width though.

Toney looked great when he came on, I think Bellingham and Foden would benefit from him starting, leaving Kane to come on fresh if we need a goal. I know it won’t happen mind.
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Why is it just Saka that's struggled? What about Kane, Foden, Bellingham. Palmer hardly pulled up any trees when he came on and that's not really a criticism of him when there are so many players not putting in performances then you have to look at the clueless bloke on the touchline.
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Do you not see where I say to play Toney instead of Kane?

There’s definitely a lack of balance, really Gordon should be on the left because we’ve nothing in behind and good as Saka is he only wants the ball to feet. I just feel Palmer is more positive, keeps the ball better and is more likely to make something happen.
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Forget what you feel. What do you see when he's actually on the pitch?

Gordon and Palmer both started in the pre euro warm ups against Iceland, and we lost the game.

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 minutes ago
I don’t think Saka looks too bad, has made the most sense in the system.

We just need a winger on the left who makes runs, Gordon or Watkins or whoever. Bellingham or Foden should come off.

Also anyone who thinks Kane should be dropped doesn’t understand football.
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This and that

posted on 30/6/24

Look, whether Harry should be dropped or not, I don't think he should but I am CERTAIN that Gareth won't do that, he's looked a bit sluggish from a neturals perspective but he scores goals and he's Gareth's captain, he will play

posted on 30/6/24

comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 4 minutes ago
Look, whether Harry should be dropped or not, I don't think he should but I am CERTAIN that Gareth won't do that, he's looked a bit sluggish from a neturals perspective but he scores goals and he's Gareth's captain, he will play
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Ditto with Bellingham, and that’s the issue.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/6/24

I don’t see why dropping a player like Kane, Bellingham or Foden is so frowned upon. They can all be effective in 30 minutes (plus the possibility of ET) and if it means the team is more balanced, creating more chances then it’s a net gain.

I do think Bellingham and Kane are more imposing and natural leaders, but right now they’re just not in the game enough. Kane lack of ability press is causing us real problems.

posted on 30/6/24

Gordon was in great form on the left for his club coming into this tournament, Southgate brought him on once in the88th minute

Bloke is clueless

posted on 30/6/24

Given how Switzerland press it should be a no brainer to start Gordon.

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