Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 5 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 5 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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I know. 13th place
Arteta is a top manager, he’s just been ridiculously unlucky this season. A combination of referring decisions, bad luck and injuries have hampered Arsenal. I think the injuries are the main obstacle. Barring that, they’d have walked the title already this season I think.
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posted 21 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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So your only barometer of success is if you spend less than and are ahead of the worst United team in 40 years? Surely a clubs should ambition should be based on their own achievements not measured against another clearly underperforming club.
You state he has won a trophy, but wasn’t that 5 years ago in his first season largely with the previous managers squad? So to answer the OP in relation to ‘building in his own image’, Arteta has won nothing with his ‘own’ team.
To answer the OP, Personally I think he is a decent manager but has a very clear ceiling which he has now reached, if I was an Arsenal fan I think I’d see him as the man before the man. He’s done ok, improved the squad and has them in a decent place but it’ll take someone better to come in and take the club to the next stage of winnning major trophies.
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posted 5 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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I know. 13th place
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What cup have you won recently? I forget.
Do you really think you are miles ahead of Utd?
I ask because, in the space of one week your entire season collapsed.
Fa cup, gone.
League cup, gone.
PL gone.
The top 4 trophy is not even secured yet. You're a few points above 5th who have a game in hand.
MILES ahead mate. MILES.
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comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 5 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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I know. 13th place
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What cup have you won recently? I forget.
Do you really think you are miles ahead of Utd?
I ask because, in the space of one week your entire season collapsed.
Fa cup, gone.
League cup, gone.
PL gone.
The top 4 trophy is not even secured yet. You're a few points above 5th who have a game in hand.
MILES ahead mate. MILES.
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Cup runs do not define a team (unless it's the CL). I would suggest 18 point advantage and 25 goal difference swing would suggest Arsenal are miles ahead of Utd. Don;t forget we finished 29 points ahead of you last season too
Arteta has been a huge success. Has overseen a shift from Arsenal struggling to qualify for Europe to pushing City all the way in consecutive seasons. Has created one of the best out of possession sides in the world, and established an effective build-up structure to progress the ball and have lots of possession in the final third. This season defensive strength has come slightly at the expense of attacking verve, though it's very hard to find a sweet spot where you achieve both, and key injuries have exacerbated that.
It must be frustrating that they have stumbled somewhat in the season that City finally dropped off, but Arteta has taken the club from being nowhere near competitive to one of the PL's elite sides. 'Arteta out' fans are mоrоns.
“…a title they should really be claiming after this amount of time and money”
It’s only in the last couple of years that Arsenal have had one of the top three wage bills in the PL, and they still lag behind City (and the woeful United).
Until this season’s meltdown, nobody should really have been competing with City. Of the top clubs, they’ve been the best run, made the strongest moves in the transfer market, along with United spent the most on wages by a fair wedge, and been coached by one of the very greatest in the sport’s history, period. City have broken record after record; they’ve been a machine, and no coach at any given side could be considered a failure for finishing second to them, which if I’m not mistaken, Arteta has done three seasons in a row. In short, in the league, he’s done as well as could be considered humanly possible.
Maybe Arsenal fans might have enjoyed or expected an additional trophy or two. But (at least this season excluded), the football hasn’t been bad, they have won a cup, and they’ve had some decent cup runs.
It’s very, very, very hard in this league to keep a team at the top season after season. I really don’t like the man at all but for me, he’s a top tier coach who has done an excellent job, and Arsenal fans should consider themselves lucky to have him.
Cup runs do not define a team (unless it's the CL). I would suggest 18 point advantage and 25 goal difference swing would suggest Arsenal are miles ahead of Utd. Don;t forget we finished 29 points ahead of you last season too
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So cups don't matter at all unless it's the cup you are currently taking part in.
Did you say this before you were knocked out by United last week?
Ooooo and a new trophy has been created the "goal difference swing trophy", congrats on your achievement.
Good to see some unbiased Utd fans on here . Arteta hasn't been perfect but could have done worse too. He has this season (very unlikely) and next season to deliver a big trophy
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posted 1 minute ago
Arteta has been a huge success. Has overseen a shift from Arsenal struggling to qualify for Europe to pushing City all the way in consecutive seasons. Has created one of the best out of possession sides in the world, and established an effective build-up structure to progress the ball and have lots of possession in the final third. This season defensive strength has come slightly at the expense of attacking verve, though it's very hard to find a sweet spot where you achieve both, and key injuries have exacerbated that.
It must be frustrating that they have stumbled somewhat in the season that City finally dropped off, but Arteta has taken the club from being nowhere near competitive to one of the PL's elite sides. 'Arteta out' fans are mоrоns.
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Absolutely this
We've won next to nothing in 5 years. He created a strong top 2 team over the past 2 seasons, but took us down to 8th to get there which was unnecessary. This season we've seriously regressed and last summer our singings were extremely poor and have taken us a step back.
Don't think we can call him a success when we haven't had any success with him at the helm, away from the FA Cup win in his first season.
Another context worth considering is that the PL is far more competitive than ever. The 'weaker' clubs in the division still have plenty of money to spend, most are really well run behind the scenes, and most have really smart coaches. It's an environment in which any weaknesses will be punished. United have experienced this multiple times as Woodward threw money at attempted short cuts at the expense of rigorous structures and sound, long-term sporting strategy. Even really well run teams like Klopp's Liverpool dipped dramatically when destabilised by key injuries. To make a run at the league title you basically need to have world class coaching, excellence across the whole squad, and avoid key injuries (or have a squad as good as City's where there are two world class players for every position - and even they have demonstrated this season that the PL can feast on their vulnerabilities).
I think he's done a good job ar Arsenal as they were in a bit of a mess a few years ago. A bit like United.
At the same time I'd also state that he's a manager who has a team that's quite difficult to get behind even when they're the only ones that can realistically stop LFC from winning the league. That's some achievement!
He’s done a good job, without doing an outstanding one. Most of their best players were at the club already, or he had to pay oodles for. Obviously Edu was there but you can’t help but feel Arteta was heavily involved in signing the likes of Zinchenko, and there are a good few of his transfers in that range that are not looking great.
Aside of that, he and Arsenal are boring and unlikeable.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 22 minutes ago
He’s done a good job, without doing an outstanding one. Most of their best players were at the club already, or he had to pay oodles for. Obviously Edu was there but you can’t help but feel Arteta was heavily involved in signing the likes of Zinchenko, and there are a good few of his transfers in that range that are not looking great.
Aside of that, he and Arsenal are boring and unlikeable.
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Calling someone unlikeable coming from a LiVARpool fan his Hilarious you're the most unlikeable lot in world football
Speaking as a neutral and a fan of a universally loved club, I can confirm that both Liverpool and Arsenal fan bases are 100% сunts.
He's done a decent job up to a point he's got the club up challenging. Unfortunately for him he's been up against City who have been relentless. This season is a black mark against him and the club for not ensuring the squad could compete with players missing. When you look back at the summer the business they did was rubbish. Arteta pushed for the signings that were made and they've been poor ones. That being said when you take into account players sold we spent hardly anything. That's on the club.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
Speaking as a neutral and a fan of a universally loved club, I can confirm that both United and Arsenal fan bases are 100% сunts.
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Agreed
I’ve never been Arteta’s biggest fan but people saying he should go are being dumb.
No reason we can’t improve our squad and really challenge for the title next season.
City even without a points deduction are not the team they used to be and Liverpool look like they may struggle to hold on to 2-3 or their star players.
Fair enough if we don’t massively improve next seasons then questions will be asked but as long as he finishes top 4 this year, there’s no way he’s going anywhere
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posted 44 minutes ago
Speaking as a neutral and a fan of a universally loved club, I can confirm that both Liverpool and Arsenal fan bases are 100% сunts.
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Well I did not expect that from you, RR. You got me there
He’s succeeded at becoming the most insufferable wingebag in the league, his team are just as bad.
Yes he's a success, he built a great team who are regularly challenging in an era with Man City and Liverpool doing scary things.
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posted on 19/1/25
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
posted on 19/1/25
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 5 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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posted on 19/1/25
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 5 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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I know. 13th place
posted on 19/1/25
Arteta is a top manager, he’s just been ridiculously unlucky this season. A combination of referring decisions, bad luck and injuries have hampered Arsenal. I think the injuries are the main obstacle. Barring that, they’d have walked the title already this season I think.
posted on 19/1/25
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 21 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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So your only barometer of success is if you spend less than and are ahead of the worst United team in 40 years? Surely a clubs should ambition should be based on their own achievements not measured against another clearly underperforming club.
You state he has won a trophy, but wasn’t that 5 years ago in his first season largely with the previous managers squad? So to answer the OP in relation to ‘building in his own image’, Arteta has won nothing with his ‘own’ team.
To answer the OP, Personally I think he is a decent manager but has a very clear ceiling which he has now reached, if I was an Arsenal fan I think I’d see him as the man before the man. He’s done ok, improved the squad and has them in a decent place but it’ll take someone better to come in and take the club to the next stage of winnning major trophies.
posted on 19/1/25
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 5 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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I know. 13th place
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What cup have you won recently? I forget.
Do you really think you are miles ahead of Utd?
I ask because, in the space of one week your entire season collapsed.
Fa cup, gone.
League cup, gone.
PL gone.
The top 4 trophy is not even secured yet. You're a few points above 5th who have a game in hand.
MILES ahead mate. MILES.
posted on 19/1/25
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 5 minutes ago
Depends how you define success?. was ETH a success?
Arteta has come in and consolidated our position as top 4 club and won a cup. This was much needed. We have spent MUCH less than Utd have over the last few years and are miles ahead of them.
Was never going to be easy after Wenger era but now we have a good starting point to improve.
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I know. 13th place
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What cup have you won recently? I forget.
Do you really think you are miles ahead of Utd?
I ask because, in the space of one week your entire season collapsed.
Fa cup, gone.
League cup, gone.
PL gone.
The top 4 trophy is not even secured yet. You're a few points above 5th who have a game in hand.
MILES ahead mate. MILES.
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Cup runs do not define a team (unless it's the CL). I would suggest 18 point advantage and 25 goal difference swing would suggest Arsenal are miles ahead of Utd. Don;t forget we finished 29 points ahead of you last season too
posted on 19/1/25
Arteta has been a huge success. Has overseen a shift from Arsenal struggling to qualify for Europe to pushing City all the way in consecutive seasons. Has created one of the best out of possession sides in the world, and established an effective build-up structure to progress the ball and have lots of possession in the final third. This season defensive strength has come slightly at the expense of attacking verve, though it's very hard to find a sweet spot where you achieve both, and key injuries have exacerbated that.
It must be frustrating that they have stumbled somewhat in the season that City finally dropped off, but Arteta has taken the club from being nowhere near competitive to one of the PL's elite sides. 'Arteta out' fans are mоrоns.
posted on 19/1/25
“…a title they should really be claiming after this amount of time and money”
It’s only in the last couple of years that Arsenal have had one of the top three wage bills in the PL, and they still lag behind City (and the woeful United).
Until this season’s meltdown, nobody should really have been competing with City. Of the top clubs, they’ve been the best run, made the strongest moves in the transfer market, along with United spent the most on wages by a fair wedge, and been coached by one of the very greatest in the sport’s history, period. City have broken record after record; they’ve been a machine, and no coach at any given side could be considered a failure for finishing second to them, which if I’m not mistaken, Arteta has done three seasons in a row. In short, in the league, he’s done as well as could be considered humanly possible.
Maybe Arsenal fans might have enjoyed or expected an additional trophy or two. But (at least this season excluded), the football hasn’t been bad, they have won a cup, and they’ve had some decent cup runs.
It’s very, very, very hard in this league to keep a team at the top season after season. I really don’t like the man at all but for me, he’s a top tier coach who has done an excellent job, and Arsenal fans should consider themselves lucky to have him.
posted on 19/1/25
Cup runs do not define a team (unless it's the CL). I would suggest 18 point advantage and 25 goal difference swing would suggest Arsenal are miles ahead of Utd. Don;t forget we finished 29 points ahead of you last season too
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So cups don't matter at all unless it's the cup you are currently taking part in.
Did you say this before you were knocked out by United last week?
Ooooo and a new trophy has been created the "goal difference swing trophy", congrats on your achievement.
posted on 19/1/25
Good to see some unbiased Utd fans on here . Arteta hasn't been perfect but could have done worse too. He has this season (very unlikely) and next season to deliver a big trophy
posted on 19/1/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Arteta has been a huge success. Has overseen a shift from Arsenal struggling to qualify for Europe to pushing City all the way in consecutive seasons. Has created one of the best out of possession sides in the world, and established an effective build-up structure to progress the ball and have lots of possession in the final third. This season defensive strength has come slightly at the expense of attacking verve, though it's very hard to find a sweet spot where you achieve both, and key injuries have exacerbated that.
It must be frustrating that they have stumbled somewhat in the season that City finally dropped off, but Arteta has taken the club from being nowhere near competitive to one of the PL's elite sides. 'Arteta out' fans are mоrоns.
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Absolutely this
posted on 19/1/25
We've won next to nothing in 5 years. He created a strong top 2 team over the past 2 seasons, but took us down to 8th to get there which was unnecessary. This season we've seriously regressed and last summer our singings were extremely poor and have taken us a step back.
Don't think we can call him a success when we haven't had any success with him at the helm, away from the FA Cup win in his first season.
posted on 19/1/25
Another context worth considering is that the PL is far more competitive than ever. The 'weaker' clubs in the division still have plenty of money to spend, most are really well run behind the scenes, and most have really smart coaches. It's an environment in which any weaknesses will be punished. United have experienced this multiple times as Woodward threw money at attempted short cuts at the expense of rigorous structures and sound, long-term sporting strategy. Even really well run teams like Klopp's Liverpool dipped dramatically when destabilised by key injuries. To make a run at the league title you basically need to have world class coaching, excellence across the whole squad, and avoid key injuries (or have a squad as good as City's where there are two world class players for every position - and even they have demonstrated this season that the PL can feast on their vulnerabilities).
posted on 19/1/25
I think he's done a good job ar Arsenal as they were in a bit of a mess a few years ago. A bit like United.
At the same time I'd also state that he's a manager who has a team that's quite difficult to get behind even when they're the only ones that can realistically stop LFC from winning the league. That's some achievement!
posted on 19/1/25
He’s done a good job, without doing an outstanding one. Most of their best players were at the club already, or he had to pay oodles for. Obviously Edu was there but you can’t help but feel Arteta was heavily involved in signing the likes of Zinchenko, and there are a good few of his transfers in that range that are not looking great.
Aside of that, he and Arsenal are boring and unlikeable.
posted on 19/1/25
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 22 minutes ago
He’s done a good job, without doing an outstanding one. Most of their best players were at the club already, or he had to pay oodles for. Obviously Edu was there but you can’t help but feel Arteta was heavily involved in signing the likes of Zinchenko, and there are a good few of his transfers in that range that are not looking great.
Aside of that, he and Arsenal are boring and unlikeable.
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Calling someone unlikeable coming from a LiVARpool fan his Hilarious you're the most unlikeable lot in world football
posted on 19/1/25
Speaking as a neutral and a fan of a universally loved club, I can confirm that both Liverpool and Arsenal fan bases are 100% сunts.
posted on 19/1/25
He's done a decent job up to a point he's got the club up challenging. Unfortunately for him he's been up against City who have been relentless. This season is a black mark against him and the club for not ensuring the squad could compete with players missing. When you look back at the summer the business they did was rubbish. Arteta pushed for the signings that were made and they've been poor ones. That being said when you take into account players sold we spent hardly anything. That's on the club.
posted on 19/1/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
Speaking as a neutral and a fan of a universally loved club, I can confirm that both United and Arsenal fan bases are 100% сunts.
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Agreed
posted on 19/1/25
I’ve never been Arteta’s biggest fan but people saying he should go are being dumb.
No reason we can’t improve our squad and really challenge for the title next season.
City even without a points deduction are not the team they used to be and Liverpool look like they may struggle to hold on to 2-3 or their star players.
Fair enough if we don’t massively improve next seasons then questions will be asked but as long as he finishes top 4 this year, there’s no way he’s going anywhere
posted on 19/1/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 44 minutes ago
Speaking as a neutral and a fan of a universally loved club, I can confirm that both Liverpool and Arsenal fan bases are 100% сunts.
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Well I did not expect that from you, RR. You got me there
posted on 19/1/25
He’s succeeded at becoming the most insufferable wingebag in the league, his team are just as bad.
posted on 19/1/25
Yes he's a success, he built a great team who are regularly challenging in an era with Man City and Liverpool doing scary things.
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