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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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This is a weird question
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This is a weird answer.
You want to connect all our managers to the same problem of not being backed, but Ange is clearly not good enough to reach Poch levels where other managers could.
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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Is it that different? We capitulated under Poch when not backed (and honestly havent truly recovered)
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We were consistently top 4 or above, playing good football, winning most games. Only at the end did we really suffer.
To be fair though, if Poch had been as backed as Ange has been, maybe we could have got over the line in some of the competitions? I mean we were undergoing building the new stadium while Poch was there. Now we've completed it and more money is being spent.
Poch was given more money at the end but by that point it was too late and our recruitment, while not being perfect now, was a joke then.
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I agree with what you said. However Poch had patched together a very flawed squad which outside of the brilliant CL run was cracking all over the place. The original point that StrikeTeams made I don't think makes a difference.
Also as a complete aside, I think Poch's biggest flaw was in regards to transfers.
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I think part of the problem with Ange is that his management style is more about inspiring speeches than any real coaching/tactical nous. The power of an inspirational speech diminishes with each passing loss. That illusion of infallibility goes so players listen less. Most of his style counts on faith. If he hasn't got that, he hasn't really got all that much. It won't be long before the players start associating his football with losing and then the mystique breaks.
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This is the sort of intelligent comment I can fully respect. I have had similar concerns myself about how we are coached . Now of course there is a coaching group and Ange will set the main themes, he just wont be shouting these at the players on the coaching pitch and side lines. How much of Ange's instruction comes through the coaches and the depth of that I don't think we'll really know but i fully agree that if he is the motivating force then his words have a shelf life, and probably quite a short one, win lose or draw.
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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This is a weird question
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This is a weird answer.
You want to connect all our managers to the same problem of not being backed, but Ange is clearly not good enough to reach Poch levels where other managers could.
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Poch ultimately failed in winning anything was because of transfers but he had a better first 11 than any manager since imo
Also think this squad we have now is nearly perfect for that young Poch to take over.
Ultimately he was let down just like Ange is being let down.
£400m spent yet only about £100m of that is for players good enough to start for us.
The fundamental difference between backing Poch and Ange is the resources available.
Pre-new Stadium they were limited to Poch as our revenues were much less. During construction they were very limited. Poch's first summer with the new revenues flowing in and we spent record levels.
I do feel that Levy may have learned from that process a bit. He binned Poch concerned about not making top 4 for his shiny new stadium, when actually the mitigating circumstances for Poch - that we were unable to refresh the squad sufficiently, big new signings were only just settling in - really should have bought Poch more time.
I think he is giving Ange some slack because of his mitigating circumstances, to see whether Ange can get us back on course as we get key players back or whether this decline is baked in.
A good thing i would say about Levy is that if he is not considering sacking Ange now, it will be something that is being considered and discussed at Board level and they will be looking at options.
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The fundamental difference between backing Poch and Ange is the resources available.
Pre-new Stadium they were limited to Poch as our revenues were much less. During construction they were very limited. Poch's first summer with the new revenues flowing in and we spent record levels.
I do feel that Levy may have learned from that process a bit. He binned Poch concerned about not making top 4 for his shiny new stadium, when actually the mitigating circumstances for Poch - that we were unable to refresh the squad sufficiently, big new signings were only just settling in - really should have bought Poch more time.
I think he is giving Ange some slack because of his mitigating circumstances, to see whether Ange can get us back on course as we get key players back or whether this decline is baked in.
A good thing i would say about Levy is that if he is not considering sacking Ange now, it will be something that is being considered and discussed at Board level and they will be looking at options.
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He is definitely up for the chop, otherwise they would be buying players.
I think he has seen enough and my guess is they can’t get who they want at this stage so are either going to stick with him until the summer thinking we def won’t go down, or the Leicester result goes bad and his hand is forced to take an interim
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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Is it that different? We capitulated under Poch when not backed (and honestly havent truly recovered)
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We were consistently top 4 or above, playing good football, winning most games. Only at the end did we really suffer.
To be fair though, if Poch had been as backed as Ange has been, maybe we could have got over the line in some of the competitions? I mean we were undergoing building the new stadium while Poch was there. Now we've completed it and more money is being spent.
Poch was given more money at the end but by that point it was too late and our recruitment, while not being perfect now, was a joke then.
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I agree with what you said. However Poch had patched together a very flawed squad which outside of the brilliant CL run was cracking all over the place. The original point that StrikeTeams made I don't think makes a difference.
Also as a complete aside, I think Poch's biggest flaw was in regards to transfers.
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Poch did very well with us but did have flaws. Maybe the idea is to find someone who can go on to be better than Poch was.
It's become clear that Ange isn't going to be the one, to me at least. It might work for him at another club where resources are more plentiful and the competition is less challenging but he's been getting found out so far in a good amount of time to judge someone.
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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This is a weird question
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This is a weird answer.
You want to connect all our managers to the same problem of not being backed, but Ange is clearly not good enough to reach Poch levels where other managers could.
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Poch ultimately failed in winning anything was because of transfers but he had a better first 11 than any manager since imo
Also think this squad we have now is nearly perfect for that young Poch to take over.
Ultimately he was let down just like Ange is being let down.
£400m spent yet only about £100m of that is for players good enough to start for us.
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I still think we have the makings of a very good team in this squad with the talent and youth. It might not be as good as Poch's and we may not find any striker as good as Kane any time soon but there is potential there. The first 10 games for Ange gave a sneak peak of what is possible. Just need a manager who can unleash that potential again, while keeping it better organised, implementing better tactics when it's called for, and a less injured team. The rest will be up to Levy. For now Ange isn't ticking enough of those boxes.
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Poch ultimately failed in winning anything was because of transfers but he had a better first 11 than any manager since imo
Also think this squad we have now is nearly perfect for that young Poch to take over.
Ultimately he was let down just like Ange is being let down.
£400m spent yet only about £100m of that is for players good enough to start for us.
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I still think we have the makings of a very good team in this squad with the talent and youth. It might not be as good as Poch's and we may not find any striker as good as Kane any time soon but there is potential there. The first 10 games for Ange gave a sneak peak of what is possible. Just need a manager who can unleash that potential again, while keeping it better organised, implementing better tactics when it's called for, and a less injured team. The rest will be up to Levy. For now Ange isn't ticking enough of those boxes.
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I absolutely agree which is why i am relaxed about the Ange situation. The league season cannot really be salvaged. The cup situation is promising but we will need something like our best players available for Liverpool & Villa, and Europa is similar if we have the core of our squad available.
If Ange cannot deliver improvements, then he's gone but what he leaves behind is a very decent squad that needs a few more additions to improve quality in some areas and make it far more resilient.
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Poch ultimately failed in winning anything was because of transfers but he had a better first 11 than any manager since imo
Also think this squad we have now is nearly perfect for that young Poch to take over.
Ultimately he was let down just like Ange is being let down.
£400m spent yet only about £100m of that is for players good enough to start for us.
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I still think we have the makings of a very good team in this squad with the talent and youth. It might not be as good as Poch's and we may not find any striker as good as Kane any time soon but there is potential there. The first 10 games for Ange gave a sneak peak of what is possible. Just need a manager who can unleash that potential again, while keeping it better organised, implementing better tactics when it's called for, and a less injured team. The rest will be up to Levy. For now Ange isn't ticking enough of those boxes.
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I absolutely agree which is why i am relaxed about the Ange situation. The league season cannot really be salvaged. The cup situation is promising but we will need something like our best players available for Liverpool & Villa, and Europa is similar if we have the core of our squad available.
If Ange cannot deliver improvements, then he's gone but what he leaves behind is a very decent squad that needs a few more additions to improve quality in some areas and make it far more resilient.
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I sort of thought the same prior to the Everton game, that we may as well keep because the season is more or less over. If he was sacked I'd be fine with it, and if he was kept....I wouldn't be fine with it but we're halfway into the season now and won't get relegated so I'd apathetically give him until all the players return, and like you said, see if he can finally turn this form around.
However, I didn't envisage things getting as bad as being 3-0 down to Everton and losing that game. That was another gear of bad that I didn't know we could change to. I thought things with these next few games would actually improve his situation. You have to draw the line somewhere if the manager continues in relegation form and yesterday was it for me.
In my opinion Mason could do no worse or even better, same as in the cup. With the latest set of injuries having come to the fore, Ange's sacking might help save further damage to the squad.
If Leicester were to beat us, would you still feel relaxed and be ok keeping Ange until the end?
I don't rate Mason at all.
I think ti was so bad vs EFC because our preparation was disrupted by a late injury to our only striker fit to start, prompting a who change up in formation. It didnt work and forced us into an early sub and more of a normal balanced side in the second half.
I do not like to have to keep making excuses for the team but that Solanke loss really was a big blow, and it's not as if we could just drop Son in there as ALL our wingers are injured. Deki Son Madders Bergvall Sarr were basically the only players fit to start and we had to cobble a formation together to accommodate that.
I don't have high hopes for Mason either but he might help to slow down the rot, give us a bit of a bounce or whatever until we bring in a replacement.
Could we not have given Lankshear a go in Solanke's place then? I mean really if the sudden Solanke injury was that much of a thorn in our side when facing Everton then Ange is worse than I thought.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 hours, 41 minutes ago
Sensible fans. The majority want Ange to stay.
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First off you have no idea whose fans were voting.
Second there isn't a decent manager around ATM who would take this problem on.
THINK for once, Sandy!
For many of those voting in I suspect It will be due to lack of alternative rather than an inherent belief that things will full turn around
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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This is a weird question
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This is a weird answer.
You want to connect all our managers to the same problem of not being backed, but Ange is clearly not good enough to reach Poch levels where other managers could.
posted on 20/1/25
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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Is it that different? We capitulated under Poch when not backed (and honestly havent truly recovered)
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We were consistently top 4 or above, playing good football, winning most games. Only at the end did we really suffer.
To be fair though, if Poch had been as backed as Ange has been, maybe we could have got over the line in some of the competitions? I mean we were undergoing building the new stadium while Poch was there. Now we've completed it and more money is being spent.
Poch was given more money at the end but by that point it was too late and our recruitment, while not being perfect now, was a joke then.
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I agree with what you said. However Poch had patched together a very flawed squad which outside of the brilliant CL run was cracking all over the place. The original point that StrikeTeams made I don't think makes a difference.
Also as a complete aside, I think Poch's biggest flaw was in regards to transfers.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 49 minutes ago
I think part of the problem with Ange is that his management style is more about inspiring speeches than any real coaching/tactical nous. The power of an inspirational speech diminishes with each passing loss. That illusion of infallibility goes so players listen less. Most of his style counts on faith. If he hasn't got that, he hasn't really got all that much. It won't be long before the players start associating his football with losing and then the mystique breaks.
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This is the sort of intelligent comment I can fully respect. I have had similar concerns myself about how we are coached . Now of course there is a coaching group and Ange will set the main themes, he just wont be shouting these at the players on the coaching pitch and side lines. How much of Ange's instruction comes through the coaches and the depth of that I don't think we'll really know but i fully agree that if he is the motivating force then his words have a shelf life, and probably quite a short one, win lose or draw.
posted on 20/1/25
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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This is a weird question
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This is a weird answer.
You want to connect all our managers to the same problem of not being backed, but Ange is clearly not good enough to reach Poch levels where other managers could.
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Poch ultimately failed in winning anything was because of transfers but he had a better first 11 than any manager since imo
Also think this squad we have now is nearly perfect for that young Poch to take over.
Ultimately he was let down just like Ange is being let down.
£400m spent yet only about £100m of that is for players good enough to start for us.
posted on 20/1/25
The fundamental difference between backing Poch and Ange is the resources available.
Pre-new Stadium they were limited to Poch as our revenues were much less. During construction they were very limited. Poch's first summer with the new revenues flowing in and we spent record levels.
I do feel that Levy may have learned from that process a bit. He binned Poch concerned about not making top 4 for his shiny new stadium, when actually the mitigating circumstances for Poch - that we were unable to refresh the squad sufficiently, big new signings were only just settling in - really should have bought Poch more time.
I think he is giving Ange some slack because of his mitigating circumstances, to see whether Ange can get us back on course as we get key players back or whether this decline is baked in.
A good thing i would say about Levy is that if he is not considering sacking Ange now, it will be something that is being considered and discussed at Board level and they will be looking at options.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
The fundamental difference between backing Poch and Ange is the resources available.
Pre-new Stadium they were limited to Poch as our revenues were much less. During construction they were very limited. Poch's first summer with the new revenues flowing in and we spent record levels.
I do feel that Levy may have learned from that process a bit. He binned Poch concerned about not making top 4 for his shiny new stadium, when actually the mitigating circumstances for Poch - that we were unable to refresh the squad sufficiently, big new signings were only just settling in - really should have bought Poch more time.
I think he is giving Ange some slack because of his mitigating circumstances, to see whether Ange can get us back on course as we get key players back or whether this decline is baked in.
A good thing i would say about Levy is that if he is not considering sacking Ange now, it will be something that is being considered and discussed at Board level and they will be looking at options.
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He is definitely up for the chop, otherwise they would be buying players.
I think he has seen enough and my guess is they can’t get who they want at this stage so are either going to stick with him until the summer thinking we def won’t go down, or the Leicester result goes bad and his hand is forced to take an interim
posted on 20/1/25
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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Is it that different? We capitulated under Poch when not backed (and honestly havent truly recovered)
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We were consistently top 4 or above, playing good football, winning most games. Only at the end did we really suffer.
To be fair though, if Poch had been as backed as Ange has been, maybe we could have got over the line in some of the competitions? I mean we were undergoing building the new stadium while Poch was there. Now we've completed it and more money is being spent.
Poch was given more money at the end but by that point it was too late and our recruitment, while not being perfect now, was a joke then.
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I agree with what you said. However Poch had patched together a very flawed squad which outside of the brilliant CL run was cracking all over the place. The original point that StrikeTeams made I don't think makes a difference.
Also as a complete aside, I think Poch's biggest flaw was in regards to transfers.
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Poch did very well with us but did have flaws. Maybe the idea is to find someone who can go on to be better than Poch was.
It's become clear that Ange isn't going to be the one, to me at least. It might work for him at another club where resources are more plentiful and the competition is less challenging but he's been getting found out so far in a good amount of time to judge someone.
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That is weird. You only have to look how JA has shifted to most fans wanting him out over the last week or so.
I'm not a fan of Levy as many aren't, but I think a lot of fans get caught up in blaming him for the failings and giving Ange a pass. They have both failed. At least Levy has given the manager over £400m to spend putting the emphasis more at his feet this time, rather than at his own.
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£400m but only 3 players over 24 signed for money ( Werner on loan ).
Putting so much in young players while hopefully good in the long run short term was just crazy.
Only solanke last summer came in as a starter
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Yeah the recruitment is another story but I think the youngsters (as in the teens) are still talented and good additions. I don't really have a problem with buying young. VDV, Vic and Kulu, all under 24 when Ange signed them and are good enough.
Bringing the average age down and giving a new manager some talented youngsters to take forward seemed like the right idea to me.
The manager is the most questionable piece of recruitment out of all of them.
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Kulusevski can’t be counted as an Ange signing he’d been here long before Ange rocked up.
I gave the summer window a 5/10 with majority of that was because we did well getting rid of players.
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The summer window before that was a good one. The bulk of the work came there. We lost Kane but if Kulu can't be counted then neither should Kane because he was as good as gone by the time Ange came in, and he would have known pre-appointment there was a good chance that happened.
People praised Ange for the fact he got 5th last season. If the team is good enough for 5th with the injury problems last season, it shouldn't be expected to be floundering around the relegation places, with the injury problems this season, especially if we gained some players.
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Kulusevski had been here 18 months when Ange turned up then Kane left day before the season started. Not even comparable.
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Give over, Ange knew full well Kane was going before he agreed to join - there wasn’t anyone who didn’t realise it.
I bang on about Iraola for a reason - he lost Solanke at the start of this season after he knocked in 19 goals last year - no bother for Iraola
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He might have known it was a possibility but we know we was offering him contracts all season too.
Let’s have a look and see what striker levy gave Ange then when Kane left. I’ve written it below
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You seriously think he was under any illusion that Kane might be there the following season?
We know who we bought - Richy, we knew he was Kanes replacement, that’s how the stupid slaphead works.
Listen, you can’t hate Levy more than I do, trust me. But Ange knew there was no Kane when he signed up
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Then you agree he is just another manager not given the tools to succeed.
I guarantee if we get flavour of the month Irola or any one else we’ll be back talking about how he’s been let down by levy and asking for another new manager.
It’s just the circle of life under this ownership
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Yes but you would rather a manager wasn't backed while doing Poch things than not being backed while doing what we're doing now under Ange, wouldn't you?
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This is a weird question
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This is a weird answer.
You want to connect all our managers to the same problem of not being backed, but Ange is clearly not good enough to reach Poch levels where other managers could.
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Poch ultimately failed in winning anything was because of transfers but he had a better first 11 than any manager since imo
Also think this squad we have now is nearly perfect for that young Poch to take over.
Ultimately he was let down just like Ange is being let down.
£400m spent yet only about £100m of that is for players good enough to start for us.
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I still think we have the makings of a very good team in this squad with the talent and youth. It might not be as good as Poch's and we may not find any striker as good as Kane any time soon but there is potential there. The first 10 games for Ange gave a sneak peak of what is possible. Just need a manager who can unleash that potential again, while keeping it better organised, implementing better tactics when it's called for, and a less injured team. The rest will be up to Levy. For now Ange isn't ticking enough of those boxes.
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Poch ultimately failed in winning anything was because of transfers but he had a better first 11 than any manager since imo
Also think this squad we have now is nearly perfect for that young Poch to take over.
Ultimately he was let down just like Ange is being let down.
£400m spent yet only about £100m of that is for players good enough to start for us.
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I still think we have the makings of a very good team in this squad with the talent and youth. It might not be as good as Poch's and we may not find any striker as good as Kane any time soon but there is potential there. The first 10 games for Ange gave a sneak peak of what is possible. Just need a manager who can unleash that potential again, while keeping it better organised, implementing better tactics when it's called for, and a less injured team. The rest will be up to Levy. For now Ange isn't ticking enough of those boxes.
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I absolutely agree which is why i am relaxed about the Ange situation. The league season cannot really be salvaged. The cup situation is promising but we will need something like our best players available for Liverpool & Villa, and Europa is similar if we have the core of our squad available.
If Ange cannot deliver improvements, then he's gone but what he leaves behind is a very decent squad that needs a few more additions to improve quality in some areas and make it far more resilient.
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Poch ultimately failed in winning anything was because of transfers but he had a better first 11 than any manager since imo
Also think this squad we have now is nearly perfect for that young Poch to take over.
Ultimately he was let down just like Ange is being let down.
£400m spent yet only about £100m of that is for players good enough to start for us.
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I still think we have the makings of a very good team in this squad with the talent and youth. It might not be as good as Poch's and we may not find any striker as good as Kane any time soon but there is potential there. The first 10 games for Ange gave a sneak peak of what is possible. Just need a manager who can unleash that potential again, while keeping it better organised, implementing better tactics when it's called for, and a less injured team. The rest will be up to Levy. For now Ange isn't ticking enough of those boxes.
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I absolutely agree which is why i am relaxed about the Ange situation. The league season cannot really be salvaged. The cup situation is promising but we will need something like our best players available for Liverpool & Villa, and Europa is similar if we have the core of our squad available.
If Ange cannot deliver improvements, then he's gone but what he leaves behind is a very decent squad that needs a few more additions to improve quality in some areas and make it far more resilient.
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I sort of thought the same prior to the Everton game, that we may as well keep because the season is more or less over. If he was sacked I'd be fine with it, and if he was kept....I wouldn't be fine with it but we're halfway into the season now and won't get relegated so I'd apathetically give him until all the players return, and like you said, see if he can finally turn this form around.
However, I didn't envisage things getting as bad as being 3-0 down to Everton and losing that game. That was another gear of bad that I didn't know we could change to. I thought things with these next few games would actually improve his situation. You have to draw the line somewhere if the manager continues in relegation form and yesterday was it for me.
In my opinion Mason could do no worse or even better, same as in the cup. With the latest set of injuries having come to the fore, Ange's sacking might help save further damage to the squad.
If Leicester were to beat us, would you still feel relaxed and be ok keeping Ange until the end?
posted on 20/1/25
I don't rate Mason at all.
I think ti was so bad vs EFC because our preparation was disrupted by a late injury to our only striker fit to start, prompting a who change up in formation. It didnt work and forced us into an early sub and more of a normal balanced side in the second half.
I do not like to have to keep making excuses for the team but that Solanke loss really was a big blow, and it's not as if we could just drop Son in there as ALL our wingers are injured. Deki Son Madders Bergvall Sarr were basically the only players fit to start and we had to cobble a formation together to accommodate that.
posted on 20/1/25
I don't have high hopes for Mason either but he might help to slow down the rot, give us a bit of a bounce or whatever until we bring in a replacement.
Could we not have given Lankshear a go in Solanke's place then? I mean really if the sudden Solanke injury was that much of a thorn in our side when facing Everton then Ange is worse than I thought.
posted on 20/1/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 hours, 41 minutes ago
Sensible fans. The majority want Ange to stay.
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First off you have no idea whose fans were voting.
Second there isn't a decent manager around ATM who would take this problem on.
THINK for once, Sandy!
posted on 21/1/25
For many of those voting in I suspect It will be due to lack of alternative rather than an inherent belief that things will full turn around
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