comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
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But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
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But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
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We'll never know what goes on in a player's head. But it is strange that they absolutely failed to turn up at the Emirates last month and again at Anfield. That points to lack of character imo.
Son is the epitome of a modern day Spurs player. Has all the ability in the world, but ultimately fails when it counts. This was happening (not just Son) before Ange came.
I feel like the players know the end is nigh with this manager now and they are just going through the motions.
He is a really schitt manager, it’s clear for all to see. I’m not being funny but Steven Gerrard won the SPL with Rangers - how faaaacking hard can it be to win it with Celtic?
The guy is just a poor manager. We should be moving heaven and earth for Andoni Iraola and if he won’t come then give Poch whatever he wants to come back.
It was pointed out somewhere that the fact we didn't get any yellow cards shows how soft we were. Where were the Bergval reckless tackles? Son got pumped off his feet.
Don't get me started on that sneaky cant Van Pryk on Richarliason. Apparently because he is ex-Everton? It wasn't just the elbow to the throat, there was a follow up kick that almost hit him in the face that everyone was blindsided to cuz they got hung up on Richy's response and missed the obvious, actually saying it wasn't a foul. Our own fans that is. Sad.
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
I feel like the players know the end is nigh with this manager now and they are just going through the motions.
He is a really schitt manager, it’s clear for all to see. I’m not being funny but Steven Gerrard won the SPL with Rangers - how faaaacking hard can it be to win it with Celtic?
The guy is just a poor manager. We should be moving heaven and earth for Andoni Iraola and if he won’t come then give Poch whatever he wants to come back.
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It's not just him. He's been given kids because they're on peanuts. It's ultimately on Levy.
What would it take for a Spurs boycott in an attempt to push the owners into a sale?
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
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But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
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We'll never know what goes on in a player's head. But it is strange that they absolutely failed to turn up at the Emirates last month and again at Anfield. That points to lack of character imo.
Son is the epitome of a modern day Spurs player. Has all the ability in the world, but ultimately fails when it counts. This was happening (not just Son) before Ange came.
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Son has always been temperamental, even going back to the Poch days. Struggled to make purple patches last longer over the course of a season. He's probably now more than ever without Kane, feeling the pressure of responsibility on his shoulders and it's coming at an age where he may not be his best anymore with little rest between games.
To be honest, the failure to turn up in those games isn't that strange in the context of our form or our own performances. Brentford was a good result but they have lost games at home recently. We beat City twice while they were at a very low ebb, other teams we've beaten in this period of shocking form were just rubbish and struggling for form. Previous leg against Liverpool was a great result but it's just one game.
Too many fans have been conditioned to accept mediocrity and that's what the squad is. Ange is even worse than that.
If Levy was being Levy then Ange would have gone before Christmas. But he's at the point where he does not want to sack another manager and highlight yet another mess made by him.
The majority of fans have joined that Levy mindset and without realising are on the same wavelength as Levy.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham on X (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
We’re not cursed. We are just owned by people who don’t have the ambition to win trophies. It’s really simple really.
We won’t pay the wages for the players required to actually win things
We have a fan base that has accepted this. Until now.
Before the 87 cup final, we were known as winners. We held the record for most fa cup wins, winners in Europe and very close to the title.
Unfortunately we are owned by levy and his mates. They just want the tills to ring.
You wanna make a difference? Join the protest. Stop buying in the spurs shops and stadiums. Support the team but boycott anything else that will financially benefit levy.
We’ve tried everything else. The only way levy will listen is to stop those tills ringing.
Support change for Tottenham. Don’t be a minion. Let’s get this ‘curse’ out of our great club.
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I agree with most of this but I think there is one thing a lot of people are forgetting. The current football model is broken and isn't sustainable. TV money will begin to decline. Cracks are appearing across all premier league clubs. Man Utd being an example. It's not at crisis stage but it could get there. I'm not saying Levy is simply holding us back to stay stable for an uncertain future of football generally, but it could be a factor. I still hate him though.
As for now, the team are better than they are showing. They are all to blame for the current situation, including our manager. It's a mess.
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The PL is self-governed (for the moment) so realistically if this crisis affects the majority, certainly the voting majority, the rules will change. It's far more likely that you'll see a relaxing of financial rules more than you'll see all clubs tow the line.
Ultimately Levy is bracing us for a crash that isn't coming because those clubs in trouble will just find a route out.
Anyway, I'm not of the belief that Levy's frugality is underpinned by a desire to protect the club and keep it in a sustainable position. I think that's a veil and beneath it lies a massive dollop of greed. Pure and simple.
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I don't disagree. Makes you wonder why he doesn't just sell up. He can't get his hands on the real wealth until he does.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
What would it take for a Spurs boycott in an attempt to push the owners into a sale?
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Us fans didn`t boycott when Spurs were relegated. So why would they boycott now just because they are going through a rough patch, with lots of players missing injured. Spurs sell out every week still. So plenty not the least bit bothered about who or whom owns the club it seems.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
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But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
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We'll never know what goes on in a player's head. But it is strange that they absolutely failed to turn up at the Emirates last month and again at Anfield. That points to lack of character imo.
Son is the epitome of a modern day Spurs player. Has all the ability in the world, but ultimately fails when it counts. This was happening (not just Son) before Ange came.
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Son has always been temperamental, even going back to the Poch days. Struggled to make purple patches last longer over the course of a season. He's probably now more than ever without Kane, feeling the pressure of responsibility on his shoulders and it's coming at an age where he may not be his best anymore with little rest between games.
To be honest, the failure to turn up in those games isn't that strange in the context of our form or our own performances. Brentford was a good result but they have lost games at home recently. We beat City twice while they were at a very low ebb, other teams we've beaten in this period of shocking form were just rubbish and struggling for form. Previous leg against Liverpool was a great result but it's just one game.
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City were on a long unbeaten run when Spurs beat them the first time. And I may be wrong, but I think they didn`t lose again, until Spurs beat them again. So they were hardly at a low ebb at all.
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 6 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
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But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
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We'll never know what goes on in a player's head. But it is strange that they absolutely failed to turn up at the Emirates last month and again at Anfield. That points to lack of character imo.
Son is the epitome of a modern day Spurs player. Has all the ability in the world, but ultimately fails when it counts. This was happening (not just Son) before Ange came.
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Yeh did Son along with the rest of the team turn up in the CL final, or the Carabou Cup Final against City, or against Chelsea. They modern Spurs players just never turn up in big games when it matters.
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham on X (U6574)
posted 7 hours, 45 minutes ago
We’re not cursed. We are just owned by people who don’t have the ambition to win trophies. It’s really simple really.
We won’t pay the wages for the players required to actually win things
We have a fan base that has accepted this. Until now.
Before the 87 cup final, we were known as winners. We held the record for most fa cup wins, winners in Europe and very close to the title.
Unfortunately we are owned by levy and his mates. They just want the tills to ring.
You wanna make a difference? Join the protest. Stop buying in the spurs shops and stadiums. Support the team but boycott anything else that will financially benefit levy.
We’ve tried everything else. The only way levy will listen is to stop those tills ringing.
Support change for Tottenham. Don’t be a minion. Let’s get this ‘curse’ out of our great club.
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100% this, when I was a kid we were THE cup team, get to finals AND win finals.
No leaders and no elite players to excite and change games now.
Having said all that, as someone else has noted, even a squads primed with Defoe, Kane, Modric, Berbatov, Dembele, Vertongen, Aldeweireld, Walker, Rose, Lloris etc we didn’t win anything either so…..ENIC OUT!
We are not cursed, it all comes down to mindset and mentality, the club from the top down has the wrong mentality and that will never change until there is a change of owner.
Levy out.
Exactly. Run by cowards = cowards on the pitch.
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comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
posted on 7/2/25
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
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But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
posted on 7/2/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
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But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
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We'll never know what goes on in a player's head. But it is strange that they absolutely failed to turn up at the Emirates last month and again at Anfield. That points to lack of character imo.
Son is the epitome of a modern day Spurs player. Has all the ability in the world, but ultimately fails when it counts. This was happening (not just Son) before Ange came.
posted on 7/2/25
I feel like the players know the end is nigh with this manager now and they are just going through the motions.
He is a really schitt manager, it’s clear for all to see. I’m not being funny but Steven Gerrard won the SPL with Rangers - how faaaacking hard can it be to win it with Celtic?
The guy is just a poor manager. We should be moving heaven and earth for Andoni Iraola and if he won’t come then give Poch whatever he wants to come back.
posted on 7/2/25
It was pointed out somewhere that the fact we didn't get any yellow cards shows how soft we were. Where were the Bergval reckless tackles? Son got pumped off his feet.
Don't get me started on that sneaky cant Van Pryk on Richarliason. Apparently because he is ex-Everton? It wasn't just the elbow to the throat, there was a follow up kick that almost hit him in the face that everyone was blindsided to cuz they got hung up on Richy's response and missed the obvious, actually saying it wasn't a foul. Our own fans that is. Sad.
posted on 7/2/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
I feel like the players know the end is nigh with this manager now and they are just going through the motions.
He is a really schitt manager, it’s clear for all to see. I’m not being funny but Steven Gerrard won the SPL with Rangers - how faaaacking hard can it be to win it with Celtic?
The guy is just a poor manager. We should be moving heaven and earth for Andoni Iraola and if he won’t come then give Poch whatever he wants to come back.
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It's not just him. He's been given kids because they're on peanuts. It's ultimately on Levy.
posted on 7/2/25
What would it take for a Spurs boycott in an attempt to push the owners into a sale?
posted on 7/2/25
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
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Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
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We'll never know what goes on in a player's head. But it is strange that they absolutely failed to turn up at the Emirates last month and again at Anfield. That points to lack of character imo.
Son is the epitome of a modern day Spurs player. Has all the ability in the world, but ultimately fails when it counts. This was happening (not just Son) before Ange came.
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Son has always been temperamental, even going back to the Poch days. Struggled to make purple patches last longer over the course of a season. He's probably now more than ever without Kane, feeling the pressure of responsibility on his shoulders and it's coming at an age where he may not be his best anymore with little rest between games.
To be honest, the failure to turn up in those games isn't that strange in the context of our form or our own performances. Brentford was a good result but they have lost games at home recently. We beat City twice while they were at a very low ebb, other teams we've beaten in this period of shocking form were just rubbish and struggling for form. Previous leg against Liverpool was a great result but it's just one game.
posted on 7/2/25
Too many fans have been conditioned to accept mediocrity and that's what the squad is. Ange is even worse than that.
If Levy was being Levy then Ange would have gone before Christmas. But he's at the point where he does not want to sack another manager and highlight yet another mess made by him.
The majority of fans have joined that Levy mindset and without realising are on the same wavelength as Levy.
posted on 7/2/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham on X (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
We’re not cursed. We are just owned by people who don’t have the ambition to win trophies. It’s really simple really.
We won’t pay the wages for the players required to actually win things
We have a fan base that has accepted this. Until now.
Before the 87 cup final, we were known as winners. We held the record for most fa cup wins, winners in Europe and very close to the title.
Unfortunately we are owned by levy and his mates. They just want the tills to ring.
You wanna make a difference? Join the protest. Stop buying in the spurs shops and stadiums. Support the team but boycott anything else that will financially benefit levy.
We’ve tried everything else. The only way levy will listen is to stop those tills ringing.
Support change for Tottenham. Don’t be a minion. Let’s get this ‘curse’ out of our great club.
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I agree with most of this but I think there is one thing a lot of people are forgetting. The current football model is broken and isn't sustainable. TV money will begin to decline. Cracks are appearing across all premier league clubs. Man Utd being an example. It's not at crisis stage but it could get there. I'm not saying Levy is simply holding us back to stay stable for an uncertain future of football generally, but it could be a factor. I still hate him though.
As for now, the team are better than they are showing. They are all to blame for the current situation, including our manager. It's a mess.
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The PL is self-governed (for the moment) so realistically if this crisis affects the majority, certainly the voting majority, the rules will change. It's far more likely that you'll see a relaxing of financial rules more than you'll see all clubs tow the line.
Ultimately Levy is bracing us for a crash that isn't coming because those clubs in trouble will just find a route out.
Anyway, I'm not of the belief that Levy's frugality is underpinned by a desire to protect the club and keep it in a sustainable position. I think that's a veil and beneath it lies a massive dollop of greed. Pure and simple.
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I don't disagree. Makes you wonder why he doesn't just sell up. He can't get his hands on the real wealth until he does.
posted on 7/2/25
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
What would it take for a Spurs boycott in an attempt to push the owners into a sale?
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Us fans didn`t boycott when Spurs were relegated. So why would they boycott now just because they are going through a rough patch, with lots of players missing injured. Spurs sell out every week still. So plenty not the least bit bothered about who or whom owns the club it seems.
posted on 7/2/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
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We'll never know what goes on in a player's head. But it is strange that they absolutely failed to turn up at the Emirates last month and again at Anfield. That points to lack of character imo.
Son is the epitome of a modern day Spurs player. Has all the ability in the world, but ultimately fails when it counts. This was happening (not just Son) before Ange came.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Son has always been temperamental, even going back to the Poch days. Struggled to make purple patches last longer over the course of a season. He's probably now more than ever without Kane, feeling the pressure of responsibility on his shoulders and it's coming at an age where he may not be his best anymore with little rest between games.
To be honest, the failure to turn up in those games isn't that strange in the context of our form or our own performances. Brentford was a good result but they have lost games at home recently. We beat City twice while they were at a very low ebb, other teams we've beaten in this period of shocking form were just rubbish and struggling for form. Previous leg against Liverpool was a great result but it's just one game.
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City were on a long unbeaten run when Spurs beat them the first time. And I may be wrong, but I think they didn`t lose again, until Spurs beat them again. So they were hardly at a low ebb at all.
posted on 7/2/25
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 6 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by BottomHalf ColdSpell (U23229)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't it a combination of all those things?
We've been unlucky but then bad luck at other clubs isn't as pronounced, probably because they have able deputies to mitigate those circumstances. The injuries, to a degree, are unfortunate but they're a consequence of having to field the same players every three days, largely because the squad isn't deep enough in terms of quality to allow for much needed rotation. The injuries are a consequence of bad luck, Ange's methods and the club's lack of squad funding. They're all at fault.
Then you also have to factor in who has been coming through the door. I'm becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of experience. Even Tel is only 19. We have so many kids and not enough senior pros to nurture them. That means they're getting plenty of game time but, as with all young players, the performances are inconsistent.
I have my own theory as to why we're buying up all these prospects and I don't think it's to do with future success. All of these young lads, whilst promising, are on peanuts and I think that's what drives the decision to get them through the door. I don't think Levy is looking at 2030 or 2035 and aiming to build for success. I think it's a financial decision that he hopes will drive a profit when these lads are eventually moved on. He's seen Brighton sell the likes of Caicedo for 100m and he wants a slice of that action. Now you could argue that both can be true. He might be paying peanuts AND nurturing future stars but what happens to them when they do become stars (or if)? Does he keep them to push on or does he sell to gain a profit? I think I know the answer to that but that's open to interpretation.
Anyway, to cut a long story... er... long, it's Levy. Daniel feckin Levy is the problem. Ange is just the latest scapegoat. He's not without fault over 24 years there's only been one common denominator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ange isn't the scapegoat. He's the issue.
He's a lifelong Liverpool supporter as per his Wikipedia page. Used to play as a Defender when he played for Melbourne in AUS. Doesn’t bond with the players (like, say, Terry Venables did). When asked in the post match interview yesterday about the opposition, he replied something along the lines of "I don't study the opposition". We might have stood a chance if he got together with the team and analyzed Bournemouth's game with Liverpool. He would've seen the set-up and their style of play. If he had more balls he could've laid into the team at half time and woke them up ffs
He hasn't got what it takes in the PL or high level football, basically...
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I'm not gonna disagree with your points, but I would just say that whatever the setup was yesterday and whatever the tactics were..... the players just did not turn up. There were experienced midfield players giving the ball away for fun. Also, our supposed captain went missing in a big game yet again
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But did they not turn up because of how little hope they have in this manager? It's not like we know these players don't have more in them. I'm not trying to excuse them but obviously managers can draw more from teams through their tactical and motivational input. It's what Iraola has been doing with Bournemouth.
Yeah Liverpool are also a top team but that's one of their biggest wins at home this season. Leicester and Ipswich didn't receive the same hammering from them and this was a cup semi final for us. Pretty much our biggest priority for the season.
It's another disgraceful performance and result under this manager and if that's all we can get from these players in such an important game under him, what hope is there of winning any other trophy?
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We'll never know what goes on in a player's head. But it is strange that they absolutely failed to turn up at the Emirates last month and again at Anfield. That points to lack of character imo.
Son is the epitome of a modern day Spurs player. Has all the ability in the world, but ultimately fails when it counts. This was happening (not just Son) before Ange came.
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Yeh did Son along with the rest of the team turn up in the CL final, or the Carabou Cup Final against City, or against Chelsea. They modern Spurs players just never turn up in big games when it matters.
posted on 7/2/25
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham on X (U6574)
posted 7 hours, 45 minutes ago
We’re not cursed. We are just owned by people who don’t have the ambition to win trophies. It’s really simple really.
We won’t pay the wages for the players required to actually win things
We have a fan base that has accepted this. Until now.
Before the 87 cup final, we were known as winners. We held the record for most fa cup wins, winners in Europe and very close to the title.
Unfortunately we are owned by levy and his mates. They just want the tills to ring.
You wanna make a difference? Join the protest. Stop buying in the spurs shops and stadiums. Support the team but boycott anything else that will financially benefit levy.
We’ve tried everything else. The only way levy will listen is to stop those tills ringing.
Support change for Tottenham. Don’t be a minion. Let’s get this ‘curse’ out of our great club.
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100% this, when I was a kid we were THE cup team, get to finals AND win finals.
No leaders and no elite players to excite and change games now.
Having said all that, as someone else has noted, even a squads primed with Defoe, Kane, Modric, Berbatov, Dembele, Vertongen, Aldeweireld, Walker, Rose, Lloris etc we didn’t win anything either so…..ENIC OUT!
posted on 9/2/25
We are not cursed, it all comes down to mindset and mentality, the club from the top down has the wrong mentality and that will never change until there is a change of owner.
Levy out.
posted on 9/2/25
Exactly. Run by cowards = cowards on the pitch.
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