Injuries an an easy excuse/narrative, but they don’t explain the lack of heart, desire and purpose from those who ARE playing.
Ange is a poor man's Bielsa
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 13 minutes ago
Injuries an an easy excuse/narrative, but they don’t explain the lack of heart, desire and purpose from those who ARE playing.
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See I do think the players are putting in the yards. It's leadership and nous that we lack.
This (from the OP) is the most convincing argument for why it's not working with Ange that I've read on here.
I am on the fence (neither Ange-in or Ange-out), but the OP really does add clarity to the situation.
As there is no viable alternative to Ange right now, we'll just have to see how things pan out over the next few games. If he can somehow turn performances and results around with the returning players, then I will be happy to continue to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But if results don't improve and players continue to get injured (particularly those returning from long lay offs) then the evidence will be very damming.
It's easy to suggest we should feel for the young lads and to some extent yes it's true. They do lack the leadership that our senior pros who are available are showing.
The flip side of that is all the players young or old have been playing football since they could stand and run. They are the one who have succeeded in becoming professionals... yes professionals.
I am 100% that everyone club in the land professional or not the first requirement of any player is to put the effort in and work hard. You may win, lose, draw but put it in.
We are not seeing this and that is down to Ange and his coaching team to fix.
Some of our senior pros really need a final warning of sorts. Collectively that have let Ange down and previous managers too.
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 13 minutes ago
Injuries an an easy excuse/narrative, but they don’t explain the lack of heart, desire and purpose from those who ARE playing.
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See I do think the players are putting in the yards. It's leadership and nous that we lack.
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Ange lacks those qualities too unfortunately.
Yep completely agree with this also.
Asking players to commit to a press in unity when so many are so young and lacking in confidence is mad. It's a dis-jointed mess at the moment. The players look completely clueless. There were times in midfield where we had no players anywhere near theirs, also the RB area has never been addressed. Every team we come up against overload that side and every week we are undone there.
It's laughable in some respects....
We've had major issues before an not slumped this low...
I feel when they players are back we will just return to being consistent, rather than what we are now which is consistently poor in all areas.
It's got to be the coaching/tactics/set up as well as injuries. Why else would we have lost games at the rate we did before the injury crisis?
If you want to play open football with a high line then you're going to score a lot of goals, as we have done, but you're also going to get caught on the counter and concede a lot as we have done. Trouble is the attack isn't always very effective and the defence much more ineffective throughout the course of the season. That's not just down to the quality of the personnel or the injuries, when we've had them. It's actually the way the games have played out with us getting out-attacked by mid-tier opponents and having to make last ditch tackles (when VDV was available) or the keeper coming to our rescue. Happened too many times this season for it not to be down the manager's organisation of the team. Yesterday should have been another 4 goals being conceded.
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's easy to suggest we should feel for the young lads and to some extent yes it's true. They do lack the leadership that our senior pros who are available are showing.
The flip side of that is all the players young or old have been playing football since they could stand and run. They are the one who have succeeded in becoming professionals... yes professionals.
I am 100% that everyone club in the land professional or not the first requirement of any player is to put the effort in and work hard. You may win, lose, draw but put it in.
We are not seeing this and that is down to Ange and his coaching team to fix.
Some of our senior pros really need a final warning of sorts. Collectively that have let Ange down and previous managers too.
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I agree re: our senior pros.
In all of this i am really disappointed with Bentancur and Son. Less Son because you can see he's dead on his feet, but still his body language at times is more forlorn than inspirational.
Bentancur has disappointed me more. He's missed 8 games through suspension and then another 4 or so through injury. He has no excuse for not being at the races. He hasn't seemed the same player since Cash knobbled him and he isnt giving enough in every department.
Porro seems to have far more character than any others but he's making mistakes which doesnt help his standing as a leader.
Bissouma is too flaky. On his day he's superb but we havent seen too many days, and i think his days at Spurs are now numbered. That's a key area that now need addressing in the summer.
I have liked how some of younger players have responded. Impressed with Gray Bergvall and Spence. They have more or less maintained their quality and come out of this mess with some credit.
comment by GinolaSpurs82 (U10359)
posted 11 minutes ago
Yep completely agree with this also.
Asking players to commit to a press in unity when so many are so young and lacking in confidence is mad. It's a dis-jointed mess at the moment. The players look completely clueless. There were times in midfield where we had no players anywhere near theirs, also the RB area has never been addressed. Every team we come up against overload that side and every week we are undone there.
It's laughable in some respects....
We've had major issues before an not slumped this low...
I feel when they players are back we will just return to being consistent, rather than what we are now which is consistently poor in all areas.
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I feel like the same thing happened last season.
Our press dropped off and if you commit to this system but do not execute it properly you get exposed.
You can see doubts with the team, a lack of confidence to really commit to the press and that leaves the spaces. In the 2nd half when we upped our levels it worked much better.
I am not sure whether its a confidence thing, a fatigue thing, an ability thing or a coaching thing. Its probably a bit of both. I think we need to be smarter and the test is whether Angeball leaves room for being smart in managing games. We haven't seen much proof of that yet and that will be Ange's undoing, even with a fit squad, if we do not show an ability to play the circumstances a bit better.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's easy to suggest we should feel for the young lads and to some extent yes it's true. They do lack the leadership that our senior pros who are available are showing.
The flip side of that is all the players young or old have been playing football since they could stand and run. They are the one who have succeeded in becoming professionals... yes professionals.
I am 100% that everyone club in the land professional or not the first requirement of any player is to put the effort in and work hard. You may win, lose, draw but put it in.
We are not seeing this and that is down to Ange and his coaching team to fix.
Some of our senior pros really need a final warning of sorts. Collectively that have let Ange down and previous managers too.
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I agree re: our senior pros.
In all of this i am really disappointed with Bentancur and Son. Less Son because you can see he's dead on his feet, but still his body language at times is more forlorn than inspirational.
Bentancur has disappointed me more. He's missed 8 games through suspension and then another 4 or so through injury. He has no excuse for not being at the races. He hasn't seemed the same player since Cash knobbled him and he isnt giving enough in every department.
Porro seems to have far more character than any others but he's making mistakes which doesnt help his standing as a leader.
Bissouma is too flaky. On his day he's superb but we havent seen too many days, and i think his days at Spurs are now numbered. That's a key area that now need addressing in the summer.
I have liked how some of younger players have responded. Impressed with Gray Bergvall and Spence. They have more or less maintained their quality and come out of this mess with some credit.
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To be fair to Bentancur, I thought he was one of our best performers prior to his 7 game ban. Then he returned and got knocked spark out within minutes of the game starting and he was then out for another couple of weeks. I suspect that all of this is now affecting his performances.
With Son, as much as I love (and am grateful for) his contribution over many years, when you boil it down, he goes missing when it really counts. He is now our captain and he should be doing much better. I was so angry with him yesterday when we had a free kick (which he chose to take) in the dying seconds. I was shouting at the TV saying "don't put it straight into the keeper's hands"....and what does he do? Unforgivable.
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
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Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
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Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 18 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
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Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Guess what, freak results happen. Liverpool are not my conern.
And are you seriously suggesting we shouldn't be expected to win any games because of our injuries?
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
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But they weakened their team....is the point, and shipped 3 goals
There was a graph a week or two ago in I think the Athletic that had all clubs dotted on with one axis being sprints out of possession and the other being sprints in possession.
Most clubs were around 40-60% in both with some outliers in one direction with the other reduced to compensate for it.
Then you had Spurs who were right in the top corner for both with the most sprints in possession and the most sprints put of possession. No other club was even close to Spurs on the graph.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
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But they weakened their team....is the point, and shipped 3 goals
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It was a dead rubber, you can't tell me they had the same motivation or urgency in that game than in others. Our issues are all in important games.
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
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But they weakened their team....is the point, and shipped 3 goals
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It was a dead rubber, you can't tell me they had the same motivation or urgency in that game than in others. Our issues are all in important games.
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Yeah, they didnt try or care
If using shoddy examples of the best team in Europe comforts you and deflects you from our issues then I won't stop you.
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 18 seconds ago
If using shoddy examples of the best team in Europe comforts you and deflects you from our issues then I won't stop you.
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If you think LFC turn up in Europe and don't try to win and don't care if they lose, then I'll just assume you are new to football.
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
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We are not arguing about whether they were guaranteed to finish top. We are saying if you take half a dozen players out of any team, even the best, then results will suffer. Liverpool being the perfect example. Two weakened teams, lost both games. Yet Spurs play a weakened team for months on end, but are expected to win every game.
You forget about the schedule and not being able to rest players.
We have played 3 times a week since Nov.
Also the fact that Ange was left short in certain areas of the squad.
But yeah Injuries are an excuse and a valid one.
You can be angry all you like but it's a valid excuse.
comment by Father Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
You forget about the schedule and not being able to rest players.
We have played 3 times a week since Nov.
Also the fact that Ange was left short in certain areas of the squad.
But yeah Injuries are an excuse and a valid one.
You can be angry all you like but it's a valid excuse.
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it's a reason! not an excuse.
The only part where i think it rings as more of an excuse is at CB. We took the risk of 3 CBs, Davies and Gray and that has not paid off. Given our CBs record, that was a big risk. We have ourselves to blame a bit for that.
comment by Father Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 38 minutes ago
You forget about the schedule and not being able to rest players.
We have played 3 times a week since Nov.
Also the fact that Ange was left short in certain areas of the squad.
But yeah Injuries are an excuse and a valid one.
You can be angry all you like but it's a valid excuse.
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posted on 10/2/25
Injuries an an easy excuse/narrative, but they don’t explain the lack of heart, desire and purpose from those who ARE playing.
posted on 10/2/25
Ange is a poor man's Bielsa
posted on 10/2/25
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 13 minutes ago
Injuries an an easy excuse/narrative, but they don’t explain the lack of heart, desire and purpose from those who ARE playing.
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See I do think the players are putting in the yards. It's leadership and nous that we lack.
posted on 10/2/25
This (from the OP) is the most convincing argument for why it's not working with Ange that I've read on here.
I am on the fence (neither Ange-in or Ange-out), but the OP really does add clarity to the situation.
As there is no viable alternative to Ange right now, we'll just have to see how things pan out over the next few games. If he can somehow turn performances and results around with the returning players, then I will be happy to continue to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But if results don't improve and players continue to get injured (particularly those returning from long lay offs) then the evidence will be very damming.
posted on 10/2/25
It's easy to suggest we should feel for the young lads and to some extent yes it's true. They do lack the leadership that our senior pros who are available are showing.
The flip side of that is all the players young or old have been playing football since they could stand and run. They are the one who have succeeded in becoming professionals... yes professionals.
I am 100% that everyone club in the land professional or not the first requirement of any player is to put the effort in and work hard. You may win, lose, draw but put it in.
We are not seeing this and that is down to Ange and his coaching team to fix.
Some of our senior pros really need a final warning of sorts. Collectively that have let Ange down and previous managers too.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 13 minutes ago
Injuries an an easy excuse/narrative, but they don’t explain the lack of heart, desire and purpose from those who ARE playing.
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See I do think the players are putting in the yards. It's leadership and nous that we lack.
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Ange lacks those qualities too unfortunately.
posted on 10/2/25
Yep completely agree with this also.
Asking players to commit to a press in unity when so many are so young and lacking in confidence is mad. It's a dis-jointed mess at the moment. The players look completely clueless. There were times in midfield where we had no players anywhere near theirs, also the RB area has never been addressed. Every team we come up against overload that side and every week we are undone there.
It's laughable in some respects....
We've had major issues before an not slumped this low...
I feel when they players are back we will just return to being consistent, rather than what we are now which is consistently poor in all areas.
posted on 10/2/25
It's got to be the coaching/tactics/set up as well as injuries. Why else would we have lost games at the rate we did before the injury crisis?
If you want to play open football with a high line then you're going to score a lot of goals, as we have done, but you're also going to get caught on the counter and concede a lot as we have done. Trouble is the attack isn't always very effective and the defence much more ineffective throughout the course of the season. That's not just down to the quality of the personnel or the injuries, when we've had them. It's actually the way the games have played out with us getting out-attacked by mid-tier opponents and having to make last ditch tackles (when VDV was available) or the keeper coming to our rescue. Happened too many times this season for it not to be down the manager's organisation of the team. Yesterday should have been another 4 goals being conceded.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's easy to suggest we should feel for the young lads and to some extent yes it's true. They do lack the leadership that our senior pros who are available are showing.
The flip side of that is all the players young or old have been playing football since they could stand and run. They are the one who have succeeded in becoming professionals... yes professionals.
I am 100% that everyone club in the land professional or not the first requirement of any player is to put the effort in and work hard. You may win, lose, draw but put it in.
We are not seeing this and that is down to Ange and his coaching team to fix.
Some of our senior pros really need a final warning of sorts. Collectively that have let Ange down and previous managers too.
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I agree re: our senior pros.
In all of this i am really disappointed with Bentancur and Son. Less Son because you can see he's dead on his feet, but still his body language at times is more forlorn than inspirational.
Bentancur has disappointed me more. He's missed 8 games through suspension and then another 4 or so through injury. He has no excuse for not being at the races. He hasn't seemed the same player since Cash knobbled him and he isnt giving enough in every department.
Porro seems to have far more character than any others but he's making mistakes which doesnt help his standing as a leader.
Bissouma is too flaky. On his day he's superb but we havent seen too many days, and i think his days at Spurs are now numbered. That's a key area that now need addressing in the summer.
I have liked how some of younger players have responded. Impressed with Gray Bergvall and Spence. They have more or less maintained their quality and come out of this mess with some credit.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by GinolaSpurs82 (U10359)
posted 11 minutes ago
Yep completely agree with this also.
Asking players to commit to a press in unity when so many are so young and lacking in confidence is mad. It's a dis-jointed mess at the moment. The players look completely clueless. There were times in midfield where we had no players anywhere near theirs, also the RB area has never been addressed. Every team we come up against overload that side and every week we are undone there.
It's laughable in some respects....
We've had major issues before an not slumped this low...
I feel when they players are back we will just return to being consistent, rather than what we are now which is consistently poor in all areas.
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I feel like the same thing happened last season.
Our press dropped off and if you commit to this system but do not execute it properly you get exposed.
You can see doubts with the team, a lack of confidence to really commit to the press and that leaves the spaces. In the 2nd half when we upped our levels it worked much better.
I am not sure whether its a confidence thing, a fatigue thing, an ability thing or a coaching thing. Its probably a bit of both. I think we need to be smarter and the test is whether Angeball leaves room for being smart in managing games. We haven't seen much proof of that yet and that will be Ange's undoing, even with a fit squad, if we do not show an ability to play the circumstances a bit better.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's easy to suggest we should feel for the young lads and to some extent yes it's true. They do lack the leadership that our senior pros who are available are showing.
The flip side of that is all the players young or old have been playing football since they could stand and run. They are the one who have succeeded in becoming professionals... yes professionals.
I am 100% that everyone club in the land professional or not the first requirement of any player is to put the effort in and work hard. You may win, lose, draw but put it in.
We are not seeing this and that is down to Ange and his coaching team to fix.
Some of our senior pros really need a final warning of sorts. Collectively that have let Ange down and previous managers too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree re: our senior pros.
In all of this i am really disappointed with Bentancur and Son. Less Son because you can see he's dead on his feet, but still his body language at times is more forlorn than inspirational.
Bentancur has disappointed me more. He's missed 8 games through suspension and then another 4 or so through injury. He has no excuse for not being at the races. He hasn't seemed the same player since Cash knobbled him and he isnt giving enough in every department.
Porro seems to have far more character than any others but he's making mistakes which doesnt help his standing as a leader.
Bissouma is too flaky. On his day he's superb but we havent seen too many days, and i think his days at Spurs are now numbered. That's a key area that now need addressing in the summer.
I have liked how some of younger players have responded. Impressed with Gray Bergvall and Spence. They have more or less maintained their quality and come out of this mess with some credit.
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To be fair to Bentancur, I thought he was one of our best performers prior to his 7 game ban. Then he returned and got knocked spark out within minutes of the game starting and he was then out for another couple of weeks. I suspect that all of this is now affecting his performances.
With Son, as much as I love (and am grateful for) his contribution over many years, when you boil it down, he goes missing when it really counts. He is now our captain and he should be doing much better. I was so angry with him yesterday when we had a free kick (which he chose to take) in the dying seconds. I was shouting at the TV saying "don't put it straight into the keeper's hands"....and what does he do? Unforgivable.
posted on 10/2/25
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
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Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
posted on 10/2/25
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 18 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Guess what, freak results happen. Liverpool are not my conern.
And are you seriously suggesting we shouldn't be expected to win any games because of our injuries?
posted on 10/2/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
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Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
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But they weakened their team....is the point, and shipped 3 goals
posted on 10/2/25
There was a graph a week or two ago in I think the Athletic that had all clubs dotted on with one axis being sprints out of possession and the other being sprints in possession.
Most clubs were around 40-60% in both with some outliers in one direction with the other reduced to compensate for it.
Then you had Spurs who were right in the top corner for both with the most sprints in possession and the most sprints put of possession. No other club was even close to Spurs on the graph.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
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Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
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But they weakened their team....is the point, and shipped 3 goals
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It was a dead rubber, you can't tell me they had the same motivation or urgency in that game than in others. Our issues are all in important games.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
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But they weakened their team....is the point, and shipped 3 goals
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It was a dead rubber, you can't tell me they had the same motivation or urgency in that game than in others. Our issues are all in important games.
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Yeah, they didnt try or care
posted on 10/2/25
If using shoddy examples of the best team in Europe comforts you and deflects you from our issues then I won't stop you.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 18 seconds ago
If using shoddy examples of the best team in Europe comforts you and deflects you from our issues then I won't stop you.
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If you think LFC turn up in Europe and don't try to win and don't care if they lose, then I'll just assume you are new to football.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by THFC1882 (U4452)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 10 minutes ago
My opinion is that even factoring our injuries this season, we should be around mid tabl
---------------------------------
Explain why Liverpool lost to Plymouth when they dropped their mainstay players from their game?
And how you think therefore without our backfour, most of the midfield and strikers, we should be winning games?
Liverpool who won every game almost and yet the first time their recognised first team players are rested, they lose the game to a team like Plymouth?
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Oh and the last time they went with a weakened team was in CL a couple of weeks back. And guess what they lost that as well.
You would have to be extremely stupid to not know that having half a dozen of your regular starters missing from your line up is not going to affect performances and results. To have them all missing for three plus months is nothing short of catastrophic.
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Were Liverpool not already guaranteed to finish top when they played PSV? Not the best example.
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We are not arguing about whether they were guaranteed to finish top. We are saying if you take half a dozen players out of any team, even the best, then results will suffer. Liverpool being the perfect example. Two weakened teams, lost both games. Yet Spurs play a weakened team for months on end, but are expected to win every game.
posted on 10/2/25
You forget about the schedule and not being able to rest players.
We have played 3 times a week since Nov.
Also the fact that Ange was left short in certain areas of the squad.
But yeah Injuries are an excuse and a valid one.
You can be angry all you like but it's a valid excuse.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by Father Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
You forget about the schedule and not being able to rest players.
We have played 3 times a week since Nov.
Also the fact that Ange was left short in certain areas of the squad.
But yeah Injuries are an excuse and a valid one.
You can be angry all you like but it's a valid excuse.
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it's a reason! not an excuse.
The only part where i think it rings as more of an excuse is at CB. We took the risk of 3 CBs, Davies and Gray and that has not paid off. Given our CBs record, that was a big risk. We have ourselves to blame a bit for that.
posted on 10/2/25
comment by Father Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 38 minutes ago
You forget about the schedule and not being able to rest players.
We have played 3 times a week since Nov.
Also the fact that Ange was left short in certain areas of the squad.
But yeah Injuries are an excuse and a valid one.
You can be angry all you like but it's a valid excuse.
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Twice a week, not three.
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