Tony Scholes: One of the difficulties around VAR for the last couple of years is the lack of clarity as to when the VAR should or should not intervene.
“Referee’s Call” really is just an introduction of a terminology to make it clear that the initial decision by the on-pitch official is critical. It’s similar to what exists in other sports like cricket and “Umpire’s Call”. The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand.
Howard Webb: “Referee’s Call” is important because it helps manage people's expectations. We have situations that split opinion – and VAR can’t always provide definitive answers all the time, because the real world is not always correct or incorrect. So “Referee’s Call” clarifies the process to fans, managers and players – even if they disagree with the decision.
What clear mistake was made in AR1's comments that the ref and 4th official agreed with?
Interested to know how letting Everton score in the 98th minute when only 6 mins were added on and the overturning of the penalty today fits in with this OP.
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
Good. After all the years we have been shafted by the league with the emergence of City, we deserve at least another 10,000 penalties.
Oh Salah got another penalty. 🤣
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Tony Scholes: One of the difficulties around VAR for the last couple of years is the lack of clarity as to when the VAR should or should not intervene.
“Referee’s Call” really is just an introduction of a terminology to make it clear that the initial decision by the on-pitch official is critical. It’s similar to what exists in other sports like cricket and “Umpire’s Call”. The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand.
Howard Webb: “Referee’s Call” is important because it helps manage people's expectations. We have situations that split opinion – and VAR can’t always provide definitive answers all the time, because the real world is not always correct or incorrect. So “Referee’s Call” clarifies the process to fans, managers and players – even if they disagree with the decision.
What clear mistake was made in AR1's comments that the ref and 4th official agreed with?
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That there was a covering defender. There wasn't. Clear mistake.
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 30 seconds ago
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
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Nothing dodgy about it ffs.
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 38 seconds ago
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
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It was a clear penalty. It’s quite insane to say otherwise, I honestly can’t see how that’s up for debate. The keeper fouled him clear as day.
Oh its the ref they cheats. Oh its the board they dont spend money. Oh its the injuries.
Pathetic fans. 20 years
I am totally convinced that this Liverpool side are no more than average. Wolves bullied them in that match yet got robbed by VAR and a brilliant challenge by Quansah.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 11 seconds ago
Oh its the ref they cheats. Oh its the board they dont spend money. Oh its the injuries.
Pathetic fans. 20 years
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Don’t forget the ball
Arsenal fans are such babies. Clueless tarts.
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posted 22 minutes ago
Yeah they still can't accept that Rice and Gabriel's reds were completely correct.
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How many years are we going back to find a Gabriel red?
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Sorry, it was Saliba that had a correct red card.
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You are wrong of both accounts.
Rice, after the free kick is awarded, turns his back on Veltman and the ball and has absolutely no intention of stopping the Brighton man taking the free kick. Veltman then kicks the ball into the back of Rice - 10 yards ahead of where it should be taken - and runs up and takes a swing at Rice with the ball moving. Veltman had no right and no chance to take a free kick. The correct decision here is to tell Veltman to go back 10 yards.
The Saliba one - the ref had a clear view, the linesman had a clear view and the 4th official had a further view. All 3 agreed it was a yellow and that was the on-field call. Before the season Howard Webb and Tony Scholes emphasised on field call was only to be overturned if something major was missed. All 3 on-field officials came to a conclusion that supported a yellow and there was no substantial evidence against their conclusion - only opinion. It was the wrong action by VAR to get involved.
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This is just making up things that happened in your own head. Desperate.
Rice literally nudges the ball away, deliberately, as the defender is in the process of taking the kick. This isn't debatable. It's an objective fact. The fact that you think the free-kick was in the wrong place is irrelevant because free-kicks are taken from where the ref is happy and the ref was clearly happy. The defender had no chance to take a free-kick because Roce kicked it away.
Independant Key Match Incident Panel agrees that it was a yellow card offence.
Saliba, the ref explicitly stated there was a covering defender. It was then shown that this was objectively false as the nearest defender was 30 yards away. When shown this, he correctly changed his opinion. Substantial evidence against the original conclusion.
The Key Match Incident Panel also stated this was correct.
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Making what up? Rice is walking back from where the foul was given and Veltman kicked the ball into his legs. Veltman was not in a position to take the free kick because it was rolling after he kicked it forward into Rice. The ball was not set to take a free kick, and Veltman would have been idiotic to think he could get it past Rice after rolling it into his feet
It was a ridiculous call to give Rice a yellow for that.
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The referee was happy with the free kick being taken from there. As the player is running up to take it, Rice kicks it to the side. This is objectively fact.
The ball rolling is irrelevant. It just has to be stationary when the kick is taken, and we have no idea if that would have happened because Rice literally interfered before it could be taken.
Again, the independent panel agreed with the decision. It was correct.
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The ref is happy for a free kick to be taken with a moving ballOf course he is
The ball was not set for a free kick to be taken and was 10 yards up field from the "foul" (which was a joke call anyway). If the ref is happy for it to be taken there while it is moving he is a cheat, end of.
And yet when it happens in other games the refs always take a different view than Kavanagh. Szloszbai the very same weekend hammered the ball away when the opponents could have taken a free kick if he hadn't - already on a yellow - nothing.
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The free-kick wasn't taken with a moving ball. The free-kick wasn't taken at all. Again with making things up.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Tony Scholes: One of the difficulties around VAR for the last couple of years is the lack of clarity as to when the VAR should or should not intervene.
“Referee’s Call” really is just an introduction of a terminology to make it clear that the initial decision by the on-pitch official is critical. It’s similar to what exists in other sports like cricket and “Umpire’s Call”. The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand.
Howard Webb: “Referee’s Call” is important because it helps manage people's expectations. We have situations that split opinion – and VAR can’t always provide definitive answers all the time, because the real world is not always correct or incorrect. So “Referee’s Call” clarifies the process to fans, managers and players – even if they disagree with the decision.
What clear mistake was made in AR1's comments that the ref and 4th official agreed with?
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That there was a covering defender. There wasn't. Clear mistake.
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AR1 "That's a foul... he's running through. For me the covering defender is too far away but he's not in control of the ball. It probably feels more yellow than red"
Literally says the covering defender was too far away...
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 11 seconds ago
Oh its the ref they cheats. Oh its the board they dont spend money. Oh its the injuries.
Pathetic fans. 20 years
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Don’t forget the ball
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 38 seconds ago
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
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It was a clear penalty. It’s quite insane to say otherwise, I honestly can’t see how that’s up for debate. The keeper fouled him clear as day.
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They just want to pretend none of our wins are legal to make themselves feel better about their own inadequacies. It's quite hilarious how far they will go to do this.
Penalty merchants done it again. Will lose to Villa if they play like that
comment by Slack Alice (U9489)
posted 25 seconds ago
I am totally convinced that this Liverpool side are no more than average. Wolves bullied them in that match yet got robbed by VAR and a brilliant challenge by Quansah.
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I am convinced that you are 14th in the league and are a complete laughingstock
comment by oldboy (U20062)
posted 48 seconds ago
Penalty merchants done it again. Will lose to Villa if they play like that
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Villa drew at home against 10 man Ipswich
comment by oldboy (U20062)
posted 23 seconds ago
Penalty merchants done it again. Will lose to Villa if they play like that
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Oh its the refs. Oh the board. It's a false position. Oh watch out for the away games.
Go lay down snd mind the gap
There weekend is ruined. U can tell
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Arsenal fans see things that aren't there and then complain about obvious fouls they get called for. Club whiney.
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Why do you bum Liverpool so much for?
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 38 seconds ago
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
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It was a clear penalty. It’s quite insane to say otherwise, I honestly can’t see how that’s up for debate. The keeper fouled him clear as day.
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There was a foul in the build up leading to the penalty award. A nudge on defender looking to clear a ball causing the defender to miss contact on the ball is an outcome determinative intervention
Tbf they got absolutely screwed over at Everton.
There wasn't a facking nudge, jeez.
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posted on 16/2/25
Tony Scholes: One of the difficulties around VAR for the last couple of years is the lack of clarity as to when the VAR should or should not intervene.
“Referee’s Call” really is just an introduction of a terminology to make it clear that the initial decision by the on-pitch official is critical. It’s similar to what exists in other sports like cricket and “Umpire’s Call”. The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand.
Howard Webb: “Referee’s Call” is important because it helps manage people's expectations. We have situations that split opinion – and VAR can’t always provide definitive answers all the time, because the real world is not always correct or incorrect. So “Referee’s Call” clarifies the process to fans, managers and players – even if they disagree with the decision.
What clear mistake was made in AR1's comments that the ref and 4th official agreed with?
posted on 16/2/25
Interested to know how letting Everton score in the 98th minute when only 6 mins were added on and the overturning of the penalty today fits in with this OP.
posted on 16/2/25
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
posted on 16/2/25
It’s a conspiracy 😆🤣😂🤣😆
posted on 16/2/25
Good. After all the years we have been shafted by the league with the emergence of City, we deserve at least another 10,000 penalties.
Oh Salah got another penalty. 🤣
posted on 16/2/25
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Tony Scholes: One of the difficulties around VAR for the last couple of years is the lack of clarity as to when the VAR should or should not intervene.
“Referee’s Call” really is just an introduction of a terminology to make it clear that the initial decision by the on-pitch official is critical. It’s similar to what exists in other sports like cricket and “Umpire’s Call”. The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand.
Howard Webb: “Referee’s Call” is important because it helps manage people's expectations. We have situations that split opinion – and VAR can’t always provide definitive answers all the time, because the real world is not always correct or incorrect. So “Referee’s Call” clarifies the process to fans, managers and players – even if they disagree with the decision.
What clear mistake was made in AR1's comments that the ref and 4th official agreed with?
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That there was a covering defender. There wasn't. Clear mistake.
posted on 16/2/25
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 30 seconds ago
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
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Nothing dodgy about it ffs.
posted on 16/2/25
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 38 seconds ago
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
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It was a clear penalty. It’s quite insane to say otherwise, I honestly can’t see how that’s up for debate. The keeper fouled him clear as day.
posted on 16/2/25
Oh its the ref they cheats. Oh its the board they dont spend money. Oh its the injuries.
Pathetic fans. 20 years
posted on 16/2/25
I am totally convinced that this Liverpool side are no more than average. Wolves bullied them in that match yet got robbed by VAR and a brilliant challenge by Quansah.
posted on 16/2/25
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 11 seconds ago
Oh its the ref they cheats. Oh its the board they dont spend money. Oh its the injuries.
Pathetic fans. 20 years
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Don’t forget the ball
posted on 16/2/25
Arsenal fans are such babies. Clueless tarts.
posted on 16/2/25
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posted 13 minutes ago
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posted 26 seconds ago
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 22 minutes ago
Yeah they still can't accept that Rice and Gabriel's reds were completely correct.
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How many years are we going back to find a Gabriel red?
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Sorry, it was Saliba that had a correct red card.
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You are wrong of both accounts.
Rice, after the free kick is awarded, turns his back on Veltman and the ball and has absolutely no intention of stopping the Brighton man taking the free kick. Veltman then kicks the ball into the back of Rice - 10 yards ahead of where it should be taken - and runs up and takes a swing at Rice with the ball moving. Veltman had no right and no chance to take a free kick. The correct decision here is to tell Veltman to go back 10 yards.
The Saliba one - the ref had a clear view, the linesman had a clear view and the 4th official had a further view. All 3 agreed it was a yellow and that was the on-field call. Before the season Howard Webb and Tony Scholes emphasised on field call was only to be overturned if something major was missed. All 3 on-field officials came to a conclusion that supported a yellow and there was no substantial evidence against their conclusion - only opinion. It was the wrong action by VAR to get involved.
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This is just making up things that happened in your own head. Desperate.
Rice literally nudges the ball away, deliberately, as the defender is in the process of taking the kick. This isn't debatable. It's an objective fact. The fact that you think the free-kick was in the wrong place is irrelevant because free-kicks are taken from where the ref is happy and the ref was clearly happy. The defender had no chance to take a free-kick because Roce kicked it away.
Independant Key Match Incident Panel agrees that it was a yellow card offence.
Saliba, the ref explicitly stated there was a covering defender. It was then shown that this was objectively false as the nearest defender was 30 yards away. When shown this, he correctly changed his opinion. Substantial evidence against the original conclusion.
The Key Match Incident Panel also stated this was correct.
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Making what up? Rice is walking back from where the foul was given and Veltman kicked the ball into his legs. Veltman was not in a position to take the free kick because it was rolling after he kicked it forward into Rice. The ball was not set to take a free kick, and Veltman would have been idiotic to think he could get it past Rice after rolling it into his feet
It was a ridiculous call to give Rice a yellow for that.
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The referee was happy with the free kick being taken from there. As the player is running up to take it, Rice kicks it to the side. This is objectively fact.
The ball rolling is irrelevant. It just has to be stationary when the kick is taken, and we have no idea if that would have happened because Rice literally interfered before it could be taken.
Again, the independent panel agreed with the decision. It was correct.
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The ref is happy for a free kick to be taken with a moving ballOf course he is
The ball was not set for a free kick to be taken and was 10 yards up field from the "foul" (which was a joke call anyway). If the ref is happy for it to be taken there while it is moving he is a cheat, end of.
And yet when it happens in other games the refs always take a different view than Kavanagh. Szloszbai the very same weekend hammered the ball away when the opponents could have taken a free kick if he hadn't - already on a yellow - nothing.
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The free-kick wasn't taken with a moving ball. The free-kick wasn't taken at all. Again with making things up.
posted on 16/2/25
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Tony Scholes: One of the difficulties around VAR for the last couple of years is the lack of clarity as to when the VAR should or should not intervene.
“Referee’s Call” really is just an introduction of a terminology to make it clear that the initial decision by the on-pitch official is critical. It’s similar to what exists in other sports like cricket and “Umpire’s Call”. The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand.
Howard Webb: “Referee’s Call” is important because it helps manage people's expectations. We have situations that split opinion – and VAR can’t always provide definitive answers all the time, because the real world is not always correct or incorrect. So “Referee’s Call” clarifies the process to fans, managers and players – even if they disagree with the decision.
What clear mistake was made in AR1's comments that the ref and 4th official agreed with?
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That there was a covering defender. There wasn't. Clear mistake.
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AR1 "That's a foul... he's running through. For me the covering defender is too far away but he's not in control of the ball. It probably feels more yellow than red"
Literally says the covering defender was too far away...
posted on 16/2/25
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 11 seconds ago
Oh its the ref they cheats. Oh its the board they dont spend money. Oh its the injuries.
Pathetic fans. 20 years
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Don’t forget the ball
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posted on 16/2/25
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 38 seconds ago
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
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It was a clear penalty. It’s quite insane to say otherwise, I honestly can’t see how that’s up for debate. The keeper fouled him clear as day.
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They just want to pretend none of our wins are legal to make themselves feel better about their own inadequacies. It's quite hilarious how far they will go to do this.
posted on 16/2/25
Penalty merchants done it again. Will lose to Villa if they play like that
posted on 16/2/25
comment by Slack Alice (U9489)
posted 25 seconds ago
I am totally convinced that this Liverpool side are no more than average. Wolves bullied them in that match yet got robbed by VAR and a brilliant challenge by Quansah.
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I am convinced that you are 14th in the league and are a complete laughingstock
posted on 16/2/25
comment by oldboy (U20062)
posted 48 seconds ago
Penalty merchants done it again. Will lose to Villa if they play like that
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Villa drew at home against 10 man Ipswich
posted on 16/2/25
comment by oldboy (U20062)
posted 23 seconds ago
Penalty merchants done it again. Will lose to Villa if they play like that
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Oh its the refs. Oh the board. It's a false position. Oh watch out for the away games.
Go lay down snd mind the gap
posted on 16/2/25
There weekend is ruined. U can tell
posted on 16/2/25
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Arsenal fans see things that aren't there and then complain about obvious fouls they get called for. Club whiney.
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Why do you bum Liverpool so much for?
posted on 16/2/25
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 38 seconds ago
They win with another dodgy penalty award.
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It was a clear penalty. It’s quite insane to say otherwise, I honestly can’t see how that’s up for debate. The keeper fouled him clear as day.
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There was a foul in the build up leading to the penalty award. A nudge on defender looking to clear a ball causing the defender to miss contact on the ball is an outcome determinative intervention
posted on 16/2/25
Tbf they got absolutely screwed over at Everton.
posted on 16/2/25
There wasn't a facking nudge, jeez.
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