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posted on 27/2/25

Onana is awful and needs to go.

Rasmus needs time and maybe a mentor that he can become an understudy too like what Zlatan was.

posted on 27/2/25

Understudy to *

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 27/2/25

Sadly with SM, it's the world we live in. Not just for footballers but life in general.
For me, Onana will never be good enough. Few goalies (or any players for that matter) would look good in our team, but I just don't think he is a very good goalie.
I still think Rasmus can be a good striker, but he's just having a terrible time of it.
Having talent just isn't enough these days, it's almost more about how mentally strong you are and I guess how professional you are in your approach to the game.
The money is sooo crazy, we seem to see more and more players (not just at Utd) struggling to stay focused when you go from having very little to literally millions (but I'm sure all of us would like to have a go at that feeling )
And as fans, it's easy to criticise, without being in that situation.
Some will have little sympathy for them, and there are some players with whom it s difficult to have sympathy for, but I'm just glad I'm not growing up in today's world

posted on 27/2/25

I do think confidence plays a huge part here... no one is really playing well, but only certain players get the stick.

Whether either will ultimately make it at the club is anyone's guess... but the club is in a mess and it is a collective issue.

Maguire is a good example of the panto villain... He's been one of our best players under Amorin.

What i have learnt over this decade or more is to ignore the noise when the fanbase is back in this depressive state though.

posted on 27/2/25

err Rasmus and Onana, as does the whole United team collectively, get great encouragement from the crowd every game United play. You think supporters at OT and away games single them two out on the pitch? Supporters dont do that at United. Just like most other football club's supporters.

posted on 27/2/25

Onana is a strange one, there is a decent keeper in their somewhere but he's just so inconsistent and unreliable which are pretty major attributes for a top level keeper.

Yes he's probably low on confindence but even when he seems to be doing well you just know there's a mistake in him waiting to happen. His unorthodoc movement and saving style doesn't help, the way he constantly parrys the ball back into danger areas drives me mad.

The whole reason we bought him was because his distribution was supposed to be top notch even if other areas of his game not so much. But his distribution has been terrible, to the point where he often passes the ball to the opponent.

But yeah, confidence throughout the whole team is shattered. Add to that the team seem to lack strong characters and we seem to be stuck in a rut. If the payers aren't going to take risks and take the game to oppenents then we're never gonna go anywhere.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 27/2/25

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
err Rasmus and Onana, as does the whole United team collectively, get great encouragement from the crowd every game United play. You think supporters at OT and away games single them two out on the pitch? Supporters don't do that at United. Just like most other football club's supporters.
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I don't go to many games as I live in Glasgow. The impression I get is the fans are very supportive at games, although the treatment of the early Zirkzee substitution (can't remember the match) wasn't great.

I would naturally expect fans at matches to get anxious very early on in matches if things aren't going great, but that's only natural in our current situation - it's a 2 way thing. Sometimes you need help from the fans, but you also need to inspire them also

posted on 27/2/25

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
err Rasmus and Onana, as does the whole United team collectively, get great encouragement from the crowd every game United play. You think supporters at OT and away games single them two out on the pitch? Supporters dont do that at United. Just like most other football club's supporters.
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No I don't think they get booked, but I don't hear much cheering. However I couldn't blame them for not being whole hearted the way we are playing.
But SM is mainly to blame, even if they try not to read it, it will reach their ears.
But as you go to the games you know better than I how the crowd reacts.

posted on 27/2/25

Onana is an awful, awful goal keeper, mu52.

I can't remember the last game where he wasnt directly responsible for a goal.

His supposed strength, which is using the ball with his feet, is not actually as good as everyone makes out.

He's crap and Amorim is crap for not dropping him yet.

posted on 27/2/25

It's not just about the support from fans in the grounds though. The impact the media and social media have on players is huge and because of the size of our club, negative stories about us get clicks and sales.

Players today have so much spare time they're bound to be scrolling on their phones reading about how sh-t they are.

posted on 27/2/25

Onana has always been a hit and miss keeper. Capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. You just have to look at the Spurs Ajax SF, i think its Spurs 2nd goal. He makes a wonder point blank save but while trying to gather the rebound he fumbles it gets caught up in the legs of his defender and spills it to Moura to score. Sums him up and that was 6 years ago.

Rasmus would be a lot better if United had pair him with an experienced striker. He could have learned and progressed as a part time player, getting the odd start, which would be the right way to go for a 19/20 year old who had barely had a break through season.

He's been thrust into the Utd pressure cooker, which has been a mess, so its no wonder he hasnt yet developed into anything near a competent PL striker.

posted on 27/2/25

And now we're seemingly doing the same to Dorgu. Less so Yoro because we have depth at CB but with the injuries piling up he's having to be relied upon more and more.

Then in the summer fans want us to buy more youth (Delap and Quenda from Sporting spring to mind) which I'm guessing are expected to go straight into the first team where they will likely struggle to deal with the pressures of playing for United while the squad lack the leaders to help these kids settle and develop.

posted on 27/2/25

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
And now we're seemingly doing the same to Dorgu. Less so Yoro because we have depth at CB but with the injuries piling up he's having to be relied upon more and more.

Then in the summer fans want us to buy more youth (Delap and Quenda from Sporting spring to mind) which I'm guessing are expected to go straight into the first team where they will likely struggle to deal with the pressures of playing for United while the squad lack the leaders to help these kids settle and develop.
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it's catch 22. You went through a phase of buying experienced players like Casemiro, Varane, Eriksen, Maguire.

posted on 27/2/25

comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 22 minutes ago
Onana is an awful, awful goal keeper, mu52.

I can't remember the last game where he wasnt directly responsible for a goal.

His supposed strength, which is using the ball with his feet, is not actually as good as everyone makes out.

He's crap and Amorim is crap for not dropping him yet.
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I seem to remember him getting the motm award around Christmas was it?
Do you think he would be an awful goalie at every club.
If he's as bad as you say it's a surprise he's had a career.

posted on 27/2/25

comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
And now we're seemingly doing the same to Dorgu. Less so Yoro because we have depth at CB but with the injuries piling up he's having to be relied upon more and more.

Then in the summer fans want us to buy more youth (Delap and Quenda from Sporting spring to mind) which I'm guessing are expected to go straight into the first team where they will likely struggle to deal with the pressures of playing for United while the squad lack the leaders to help these kids settle and develop.
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it's catch 22. You went through a phase of buying experienced players like Casemiro, Varane, Eriksen, Maguire.
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There has just been a lack of a plan involved with Utd's purchasing for age now, and a bit of an identity crisis where they think they have to buy the big names, rather than doing some proper scouting.

posted on 27/2/25

Surely it's a balance and making sensible choices? I get money's tight and talented youth players are cheapish with the potential to be great but without experience and leaders around them they'll struggle.

Casemiro and Varane had the experience but were given stupidly high wages that made them impossible to move on, add Varane's injury history and he was always a risk. Eriksen was free and in his 30s but it was clear his legs had gone and wasn't ever going to offer much. Maguire was overpriced and lacking in lots of areas needed in a top defender.

These are all examples of poor decision making which the club have been doing for years. I'm no scout but I'm sure there are players in the 23-28 age range that don't cost a fortune that can bring experience and quality. Add some youth and maybe 1 or 2 on the older side who aren't mutiple CL winners demanding 200-330k a week and I'm sure we can build on that. One example is Kolo Muani who is 26 and Juve just got on laon from PSG, in 5 league games he's already equalled Hojlund and Zirkzee's combined leagues goals for the season.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 27/2/25

It feels like it's been a mixture of wrong players, wrong managers, just wrong everything. I accept that can happen, I have always said it is very difficult to get the right manager and there can be a bit of luck involved in finding the right manager.

But it's how incredibly bad we have become that gets me. Don't seem to play attractive football, don't seem able to consistently be in top 4, transfer signings have been pretty shocking - Bruno was / is a hit, but has anyone else been what you would call a real hit? That's really poor.

posted on 27/2/25

52

Sorry mate but I think you're losing the plot man. You defended ETH and was proved wrong. You defended Onana and been proven wrong and now it's Hojlund.

In dark times for the club you're trying to be overly positive and it's completely transparent mate and nobody is buying it. It's okay to call a spade a spade. We are an absolutely awful football team full of players who struggle to do the basics.

posted on 27/2/25

The problem is and always has been the Glazers and their complete lack of care. INEOS might make a change but the cost cutting they're currently doing (which sadly probably had to happen after years of neglect) doesn't look great.

The wrong players and managers comes from years of having nothing properly set up. Having no clear idea of what we want to do as a club moving forward, throwing money at big names and not actually thinking about how they would work. Luck helps but actually having a plan and giving it time to flourish helps more.

We bring in a manager who on paper looks very good but also has a very specific way of playing that he is determined to do which will require time and money and now we're broke.

posted on 27/2/25

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 13 minutes ago
52

Sorry mate but I think you're losing the plot man. You defended ETH and was proved wrong. You defended Onana and been proven wrong and now it's Hojlund.

In dark times for the club you're trying to be overly positive and it's completely transparent mate and nobody is buying it. It's okay to call a spade a spade. We are an absolutely awful football team full of players who struggle to do the basics.
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I defended ETH primarily after we beat City to win the cup.

posted on 27/2/25

But both of the above get dogs abuse on here, on social media, and they are hardly encouraged by the crowd.

Firstly, they are encouraged massively by the crowd. Our away support, if you have ever travelled with them, there is no better away fans in this country in my opinion.I was there at Crystal Palace, when we got absolutely humiliated, they stayed and clapped for the boys, so this is nonsense.

Secondly, it is okay sometimes to put your hands up and admit you got it wrong. A player can be bought and stinks up the place you are Aware of this 52? If you want us to stay a mediocre club, persevere with players like Rasmus. Meanwhile, clubs with ambition, like Liverpool, come this summer they are looking to part ways with Darwin who is significantly better than Rasmus.

posted on 27/2/25

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 13 minutes ago
52

Sorry mate but I think you're losing the plot man. You defended ETH and was proved wrong. You defended Onana and been proven wrong and now it's Hojlund.

In dark times for the club you're trying to be overly positive and it's completely transparent mate and nobody is buying it. It's okay to call a spade a spade. We are an absolutely awful football team full of players who struggle to do the basics.
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I defended ETH primarily after we beat City to win the cup.
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It was longer that that tbf and one game shouldn't make up for a total crap season where we came bottom of a crap CL group containing Copenhagen and Galatasaray.

The failure to sack him after that final has had a domino effect of destruction.

posted on 27/2/25

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
52

Sorry mate but I think you're losing the plot man. You defended ETH and was proved wrong. You defended Onana and been proven wrong and now it's Hojlund.

In dark times for the club you're trying to be overly positive and it's completely transparent mate and nobody is buying it. It's okay to call a spade a spade. We are an absolutely awful football team full of players who struggle to do the basics.
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I am glad I am not the only one seeing this trend. 52 is sometimes not capable of just admitting he got it wrong. Some of us have been here for donkeys years and believe you me, we all get it wrong. There's no shame in this.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 27/2/25

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
52

Sorry mate but I think you're losing the plot man. You defended ETH and was proved wrong. You defended Onana and been proven wrong and now it's Hojlund.

In dark times for the club you're trying to be overly positive and it's completely transparent mate and nobody is buying it. It's okay to call a spade a spade. We are an absolutely awful football team full of players who struggle to do the basics.
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I am glad I am not the only one seeing this trend. 52 is sometimes not capable of just admitting he got it wrong. Some of us have been here for donkeys years and believe you me, we all get it wrong. There's no shame in this.
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I think that one of the biggest problems on this site is that you can't defend anyone even a little, if some posters have made their minds up about that player/manager. So many people on here only deal in black and white and can't see or accept the many shades of grey in between.

52 for instance might have said that ETH deserved more time. Then later down the line, after ETH is rightly sacked, the narrative from these posters becomes that 52 was a staunch ETH supporter. Its pretty tiresome.

And to be fair to 52, I'd say he is one of the best on here at holding his hands up when he is wrong and also not taking his own opinions as gospel/the truth.

posted on 27/2/25

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
Onana is a strange one, there is a decent keeper in their somewhere but he's just so inconsistent and unreliable which are pretty major attributes for a top level keeper.

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I'm sorry - for a goalkeeper, 'decent' and 'inconsistent' will never go together.

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