comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
OP, who cares? Seriously. Are these repeated negative threads not just preaching to the converted?
No one, literally NO ONE is saying that Ange is the future. ANd if we win the trophy NO ONE will be saying that's it, we're now brilliant.
If we win the trophy, no one cares who we beat, no one cares how we got there, the record books say we won and Trophy, and that's all that matters and is that not what everyone wants? Our trophy drought is what the moaners have used to beat this club with, what opposition fans/pundits use to ridicule this club. Who actually gives a FF who we beat and how we get there?
Can you tell me who Chelsea beat enroute to winning it in 2019? No! it literally doesn't matter.
You like many others just come across as being scared of Ange winning this because it may make you look stupid, or makes you worry we'll keep him, or validates that he's actually any good, or fulfils his record of winning in season 2.
There have been so many negative threads since we made the final, from the usual suspects. I dunno how some of you call yourself fans.
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You clearly missed the subtext. I said I want us to win it. My point, which seems to have passed you by, is that him winning it proves nothing and doesn't make anyone wrong about him.
I just wanted to put the Europa run into context.
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We know this.
The long term Ange Out clique seem really concerned to repeatedly get across that a trophy win means nothing in respect of Ange, that he's still crap, that its no great achievement, that they were right all along blah blah bah. They seem more concerned about saving face or not being proven wrong, or something, so have to over and over again keep banging this boring drum.
99% of fans see it as this:
1. This has been an awful season in the league
2. Ange has not shown any ability to deliver consistency or address reoccurring issues over about 18 months now .
3. He has not improved our form since injured players returned.
4. Reaching a final is brilliant, and if we win it then it will mean a huge amount to this club on every level, from fans pride up to our finances.
5. Reaching or winning the final will not prove Ange is capable of taking this club forward to where we really should be every season, which is top 6 minimum looking and aiming higher.
6. All our league games have become about protecting the squad, maintaining fitness and match sharpness in readiness for the final. The manager would be crucified if we put out the A-team and ended up with multiple key injuries, especially where key players are already missing.
7. Nothing matters now but the final. That should be the entire focus of the players, the coach and the fans.
Instead of pulling together, many on here keep wanting to get their "we're crap, Ange is crap, I told you so, and no cup win will change that, i was right all along" narrative out there.
For me it is the worst form of support where some genuinely come across as almost wanting us to fail to validate their stated opinion. Some may deny that's their motivation but that is exactly what it looks like.
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Agree with all apart from point 6.
A three week break didn't do us any good in the CK Final. Liverpool actually set up extra fixtures with the opposition playing as Spurs did.
So I think we should be playing more than we are, that said, playing on the 4g pitch, recovery was probably important, but not playing then and not playing Friday is an issue for me.
I just really worry that if he wins it, somehow he stays.
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I think the back line will probably get a half or so vs Villa, would be surprised if they did not and went 2 weeks without any game time b4 the final.
Bents & Biss to get a half each.
Son/Dom/Richi/Odo/BJ/Tel all getting a half
Just to keep their eye in and fingers crossed no injuries.
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
OP, who cares? Seriously. Are these repeated negative threads not just preaching to the converted?
No one, literally NO ONE is saying that Ange is the future. ANd if we win the trophy NO ONE will be saying that's it, we're now brilliant.
If we win the trophy, no one cares who we beat, no one cares how we got there, the record books say we won and Trophy, and that's all that matters and is that not what everyone wants? Our trophy drought is what the moaners have used to beat this club with, what opposition fans/pundits use to ridicule this club. Who actually gives a FF who we beat and how we get there?
Can you tell me who Chelsea beat enroute to winning it in 2019? No! it literally doesn't matter.
You like many others just come across as being scared of Ange winning this because it may make you look stupid, or makes you worry we'll keep him, or validates that he's actually any good, or fulfils his record of winning in season 2.
There have been so many negative threads since we made the final, from the usual suspects. I dunno how some of you call yourself fans.
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You clearly missed the subtext. I said I want us to win it. My point, which seems to have passed you by, is that him winning it proves nothing and doesn't make anyone wrong about him.
I just wanted to put the Europa run into context.
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We know this.
The long term Ange Out clique seem really concerned to repeatedly get across that a trophy win means nothing in respect of Ange, that he's still crap, that its no great achievement, that they were right all along blah blah bah. They seem more concerned about saving face or not being proven wrong, or something, so have to over and over again keep banging this boring drum.
99% of fans see it as this:
1. This has been an awful season in the league
2. Ange has not shown any ability to deliver consistency or address reoccurring issues over about 18 months now .
3. He has not improved our form since injured players returned.
4. Reaching a final is brilliant, and if we win it then it will mean a huge amount to this club on every level, from fans pride up to our finances.
5. Reaching or winning the final will not prove Ange is capable of taking this club forward to where we really should be every season, which is top 6 minimum looking and aiming higher.
6. All our league games have become about protecting the squad, maintaining fitness and match sharpness in readiness for the final. The manager would be crucified if we put out the A-team and ended up with multiple key injuries, especially where key players are already missing.
7. Nothing matters now but the final. That should be the entire focus of the players, the coach and the fans.
Instead of pulling together, many on here keep wanting to get their "we're crap, Ange is crap, I told you so, and no cup win will change that, i was right all along" narrative out there.
For me it is the worst form of support where some genuinely come across as almost wanting us to fail to validate their stated opinion. Some may deny that's their motivation but that is exactly what it looks like.
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Agree with all apart from point 6.
A three week break didn't do us any good in the CK Final. Liverpool actually set up extra fixtures with the opposition playing as Spurs did.
So I think we should be playing more than we are, that said, playing on the 4g pitch, recovery was probably important, but not playing then and not playing Friday is an issue for me.
I just really worry that if he wins it, somehow he stays.
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Worst case scenario he stays. Starts the league off badly gets fired after 5 games.
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Grinch (U23226)
posted 6 minutes ago
So Sandy why do you continue to spout such cr@p about Poch and the team being lucky to have reached the CL final?
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Exactly!!! It's annoying when people discredit a run to the final isn't it, Sandy?
We obviously deserve to be in the Europa final but it's not exactly been a challenge. He absolutely HAS to win it now though (which I think we will) after effectively binning the league. If we don't, that's all going to look very stupid and if he's still here next season, he needs a better plan B.
I'm going to the Villa game. Starting to question my life choices!
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why are you going to Villa park on Friday, the team won’t turn up so no reason you should. Absolute hiding to nothing that game.
I share your optimism about the final, got a feeling we might nick it, best chance we’ve had going into a final since 2002 in my opinion
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I live in Birmingham so go every year and meet up with my villa supporting mates afterwards. It's usually a good game. This year not so much maybe.
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You are either brave or insane - possibly both
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
Boring, Boring, Boring, repeat, repeat, repeat, just can't be good for your blood pressure Fudge, change the record
comment by Izzy... The Rat returns....fvck off back to Sp... (U3410)
posted 35 minutes ago
Dipped in and out of this board....Can't see any scenario where Ange stays next season so the 'Ange Out brigade should chill the fvck out and look forward to Bilbao next week.
The Ange Out brigade should be worrying about who comes next. My bet is Old Gareth
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Yeh that would be my favourite, after Ange walks. Be hilarious to see the usual lot in meltdown. They think they are going to get a Prime Pep.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
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Fridge, I may Love you! ❣️
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 22 minutes ago
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
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Even if he stays he won't be getting many games if there is'nt signs of improvement.
Personally I think he is gone win or lose.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
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Fridge you are like a broken record. Been moaning for years about lack of trophies. Now that Spurs are 90 minutes away from winning one, you are moving the goalposts. Why bring Nottm Forest or Villa into it? Spurs have pretty well been better than both of them for years. One good season by both won't change that. When was the last team either Villa or Forest were close to winning anything,
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Izzy... The Rat returns....fvck off back to Sp... (U3410)
posted 35 minutes ago
Dipped in and out of this board....Can't see any scenario where Ange stays next season so the 'Ange Out brigade should chill the fvck out and look forward to Bilbao next week.
The Ange Out brigade should be worrying about who comes next. My bet is Old Gareth
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Yeh that would be my favourite, after Ange walks. Be hilarious to see the usual lot in meltdown. They think they are going to get a Prime Pep.
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Anyone from Sunday league football would do abetter job of coaching and organising the team than Ange has.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
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You are missing the point. You keep making the case for sacking Ange to people who 99% agree.
The only difference of opinion between fans has been timing.
Some like you having been calling for this for weeks/month. Others have been saying lets let the Europa play out. Both sides have merit, clear difference of opinion.
The army of fans you refer to is right. 99% see no future for him. The clique is those who have been calling for this for weeks, mainly before AZ Alkmar, and certainly after we drew at home to Frankfurt. They were calling for him to go then and now it appears that they cannot handle the fact that Ange has got us to a final, despite calling for him to be sacked weeks ago, so are talking down the achievement to validate their early calls.
My view i have expressed was he should be allowed time to show we can improve when some key injuries returned. For me it wasnt just about the Europa. We haven't impressed, even in early march when the need to protect players was less. So really i see no future for him but he still has my total support to do whatever he thinks is necessary to give us the best chance in the final.
Yes, in the future we need to fight on more than 1 front. But now we don't so there is no point putting players at risk. I noted Amorim put out a strong team at the weekend and they lost at home to a garbage West Ham who couldnt even beat our B team. Imagine if Bruno hobbled out of that game. We're not taking that risk and i also think we're not letting our A team risk losing a game (which it would be surprising if they all performed at 100%)_when really we want the positive vibes from the Europa campaign to continue.
A very strong United line up just lost at home. What do you think that's doing for their vibes?
All this debate about if he's the worst manager ever, how many games we've lost etc etc is so irrelevant right now and i am confused by any fan who wants to major on these issues now.
That is a discussion and a decision for after the 21 May. The person who needs convincing that a Europa win isnt a reason to keep him is Levy. There is no need for the continual bombardment by fans on here repeating over and over again what a bad manager he is, what a bad season this has been.
As said, it just smacks of desperation from those who said he should have been sacked months ago, covering their arses in the event we win the EL.
If he beat Utd he would literally, by the very definition of the word, NOT be a failure.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
If he beat Utd he would literally, by the very definition of the word, NOT be a failure.
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Most successful manager since Ramos
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
If he beat Utd he would literally, by the very definition of the word, NOT be a failure.
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It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 5 minutes ago
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
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Fair chance he has a decent 7 figure trophy bonus in his contract too. Maybe even enhanced severance terms. Levy will be raging!
I'll be supporting Ange in the final.
It's pretty depressing how some fans are talking down the achievement of winning the Europa before we've even played the final. This is not the conference league, it's a very prestigious trophy and after fans being negative and bleating about not winning a trophy, they're so focused on their hatred of Ange and can't even enjoy us having a good chance of lifting a major European trophy. If we win this, I will be too happy to care about whether Ange stays or goes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cy0kl9p2l2kt#player
Wow a media day for Europa League final so early.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 5 minutes ago
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
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Fair chance he has a decent 7 figure trophy bonus in his contract too. Maybe even enhanced severance terms. Levy will be raging!
I'll be supporting Ange in the final.
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We all will. Even Sizz and Spurtle 😂😂😂😂
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 22 minutes ago
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
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That’s my take also, he knows he is gone 2 weeks today and it would have been sooner if we had been knocked out of the Europa.
But it’s a real chance for him to be able to call out loads of journos, pundits and even fans if we win it and would likely secure him another job in Europe
There is no need to worry in my opinion, I think his departure has already been worked out behind the scenes and we’re quite rightly letting him play the Europa out.
Finally Sandy knows sweet FA - people need to stop getting wound up by him, I went through that stage but filtering the giiimp has worked a treat
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 22 minutes ago
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
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That’s my take also, he knows he is gone 2 weeks today and it would have been sooner if we had been knocked out of the Europa.
But it’s a real chance for him to be able to call out loads of journos, pundits and even fans if we win it and would likely secure him another job in Europe
There is no need to worry in my opinion, I think his departure has already been worked out behind the scenes and we’re quite rightly letting him play the Europa out.
Finally Sandy knows sweet FA - people need to stop getting wound up by him, I went through that stage but filtering the giiimp has worked a treat
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Sandy must love winding so many up.
I guess some cannot resist taking the bait.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's pretty depressing how some fans are talking down the achievement of winning the Europa before we've even played the final. This is not the conference league, it's a very prestigious trophy and after fans being negative and bleating about not winning a trophy, they're so focused on their hatred of Ange and can't even enjoy us having a good chance of lifting a major European trophy. If we win this, I will be too happy to care about whether Ange stays or goes.
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Have to agree bro. Some of the rehashed nonsense on here after every game. Ange most likely to leave at the end of the season but we are down where we are not just primarily due to him but also many other factors.. Mourinho and Conte hastily found out!
Its laughable someone bemoans the fact Palace were missing their best player in Warton but conveniently failed to mention Ange made 8 changes from Thursday with an 18 yr old in midfield and 17 yr rookie winger. Our squad for me is just not equipped enough when the best 11 are not on the pitch. Its an issue we have had for years but the worst its ever been.
I can't wait until he leaves. I'm disappointed that there will still be 1 league game to go after the Europa final so whether we win the thing or not, we'll still have to endure another rubbish Ange loss and performance.
Honestly why are our fans completely playing down this Europa trophy.
Many better managers have failed to get us close to it so whether you like Ange or not who bloody cares who we’ve played and how we’ve played.
Just be happy we have a chance of something shiny and then deal with the shiet league campaign after.
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's pretty depressing how some fans are talking down the achievement of winning the Europa before we've even played the final. This is not the conference league, it's a very prestigious trophy and after fans being negative and bleating about not winning a trophy, they're so focused on their hatred of Ange and can't even enjoy us having a good chance of lifting a major European trophy. If we win this, I will be too happy to care about whether Ange stays or goes.
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Have to agree bro. Some of the rehashed nonsense on here after every game. Ange most likely to leave at the end of the season but we are down where we are not just primarily due to him but also many other factors.. Mourinho and Conte hastily found out!
Its laughable someone bemoans the fact Palace were missing their best player in Warton but conveniently failed to mention Ange made 8 changes from Thursday with an 18 yr old in midfield and 17 yr rookie winger. Our squad for me is just not equipped enough when the best 11 are not on the pitch. Its an issue we have had for years but the worst its ever been.
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No team can make 8 changes plus lose the likes of Son and Madders and be strong.
Honestly, what does Arsenal's or Liverpool's team look like if the only regular starters were the RB, an AM playing as striker and the 2 CMs playing one half each.
The point of the squad is to allow for management of players time, rotation, and cover. It is not to be judged on whether 8 or 9 players can be swapped in and be expected to deliver a PL performance
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posted on 12/5/25
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
OP, who cares? Seriously. Are these repeated negative threads not just preaching to the converted?
No one, literally NO ONE is saying that Ange is the future. ANd if we win the trophy NO ONE will be saying that's it, we're now brilliant.
If we win the trophy, no one cares who we beat, no one cares how we got there, the record books say we won and Trophy, and that's all that matters and is that not what everyone wants? Our trophy drought is what the moaners have used to beat this club with, what opposition fans/pundits use to ridicule this club. Who actually gives a FF who we beat and how we get there?
Can you tell me who Chelsea beat enroute to winning it in 2019? No! it literally doesn't matter.
You like many others just come across as being scared of Ange winning this because it may make you look stupid, or makes you worry we'll keep him, or validates that he's actually any good, or fulfils his record of winning in season 2.
There have been so many negative threads since we made the final, from the usual suspects. I dunno how some of you call yourself fans.
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You clearly missed the subtext. I said I want us to win it. My point, which seems to have passed you by, is that him winning it proves nothing and doesn't make anyone wrong about him.
I just wanted to put the Europa run into context.
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We know this.
The long term Ange Out clique seem really concerned to repeatedly get across that a trophy win means nothing in respect of Ange, that he's still crap, that its no great achievement, that they were right all along blah blah bah. They seem more concerned about saving face or not being proven wrong, or something, so have to over and over again keep banging this boring drum.
99% of fans see it as this:
1. This has been an awful season in the league
2. Ange has not shown any ability to deliver consistency or address reoccurring issues over about 18 months now .
3. He has not improved our form since injured players returned.
4. Reaching a final is brilliant, and if we win it then it will mean a huge amount to this club on every level, from fans pride up to our finances.
5. Reaching or winning the final will not prove Ange is capable of taking this club forward to where we really should be every season, which is top 6 minimum looking and aiming higher.
6. All our league games have become about protecting the squad, maintaining fitness and match sharpness in readiness for the final. The manager would be crucified if we put out the A-team and ended up with multiple key injuries, especially where key players are already missing.
7. Nothing matters now but the final. That should be the entire focus of the players, the coach and the fans.
Instead of pulling together, many on here keep wanting to get their "we're crap, Ange is crap, I told you so, and no cup win will change that, i was right all along" narrative out there.
For me it is the worst form of support where some genuinely come across as almost wanting us to fail to validate their stated opinion. Some may deny that's their motivation but that is exactly what it looks like.
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Agree with all apart from point 6.
A three week break didn't do us any good in the CK Final. Liverpool actually set up extra fixtures with the opposition playing as Spurs did.
So I think we should be playing more than we are, that said, playing on the 4g pitch, recovery was probably important, but not playing then and not playing Friday is an issue for me.
I just really worry that if he wins it, somehow he stays.
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I think the back line will probably get a half or so vs Villa, would be surprised if they did not and went 2 weeks without any game time b4 the final.
Bents & Biss to get a half each.
Son/Dom/Richi/Odo/BJ/Tel all getting a half
Just to keep their eye in and fingers crossed no injuries.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
OP, who cares? Seriously. Are these repeated negative threads not just preaching to the converted?
No one, literally NO ONE is saying that Ange is the future. ANd if we win the trophy NO ONE will be saying that's it, we're now brilliant.
If we win the trophy, no one cares who we beat, no one cares how we got there, the record books say we won and Trophy, and that's all that matters and is that not what everyone wants? Our trophy drought is what the moaners have used to beat this club with, what opposition fans/pundits use to ridicule this club. Who actually gives a FF who we beat and how we get there?
Can you tell me who Chelsea beat enroute to winning it in 2019? No! it literally doesn't matter.
You like many others just come across as being scared of Ange winning this because it may make you look stupid, or makes you worry we'll keep him, or validates that he's actually any good, or fulfils his record of winning in season 2.
There have been so many negative threads since we made the final, from the usual suspects. I dunno how some of you call yourself fans.
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You clearly missed the subtext. I said I want us to win it. My point, which seems to have passed you by, is that him winning it proves nothing and doesn't make anyone wrong about him.
I just wanted to put the Europa run into context.
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We know this.
The long term Ange Out clique seem really concerned to repeatedly get across that a trophy win means nothing in respect of Ange, that he's still crap, that its no great achievement, that they were right all along blah blah bah. They seem more concerned about saving face or not being proven wrong, or something, so have to over and over again keep banging this boring drum.
99% of fans see it as this:
1. This has been an awful season in the league
2. Ange has not shown any ability to deliver consistency or address reoccurring issues over about 18 months now .
3. He has not improved our form since injured players returned.
4. Reaching a final is brilliant, and if we win it then it will mean a huge amount to this club on every level, from fans pride up to our finances.
5. Reaching or winning the final will not prove Ange is capable of taking this club forward to where we really should be every season, which is top 6 minimum looking and aiming higher.
6. All our league games have become about protecting the squad, maintaining fitness and match sharpness in readiness for the final. The manager would be crucified if we put out the A-team and ended up with multiple key injuries, especially where key players are already missing.
7. Nothing matters now but the final. That should be the entire focus of the players, the coach and the fans.
Instead of pulling together, many on here keep wanting to get their "we're crap, Ange is crap, I told you so, and no cup win will change that, i was right all along" narrative out there.
For me it is the worst form of support where some genuinely come across as almost wanting us to fail to validate their stated opinion. Some may deny that's their motivation but that is exactly what it looks like.
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Agree with all apart from point 6.
A three week break didn't do us any good in the CK Final. Liverpool actually set up extra fixtures with the opposition playing as Spurs did.
So I think we should be playing more than we are, that said, playing on the 4g pitch, recovery was probably important, but not playing then and not playing Friday is an issue for me.
I just really worry that if he wins it, somehow he stays.
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Worst case scenario he stays. Starts the league off badly gets fired after 5 games.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Grinch (U23226)
posted 6 minutes ago
So Sandy why do you continue to spout such cr@p about Poch and the team being lucky to have reached the CL final?
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Exactly!!! It's annoying when people discredit a run to the final isn't it, Sandy?
We obviously deserve to be in the Europa final but it's not exactly been a challenge. He absolutely HAS to win it now though (which I think we will) after effectively binning the league. If we don't, that's all going to look very stupid and if he's still here next season, he needs a better plan B.
I'm going to the Villa game. Starting to question my life choices!
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why are you going to Villa park on Friday, the team won’t turn up so no reason you should. Absolute hiding to nothing that game.
I share your optimism about the final, got a feeling we might nick it, best chance we’ve had going into a final since 2002 in my opinion
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I live in Birmingham so go every year and meet up with my villa supporting mates afterwards. It's usually a good game. This year not so much maybe.
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You are either brave or insane - possibly both
posted on 12/5/25
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
posted on 12/5/25
Boring, Boring, Boring, repeat, repeat, repeat, just can't be good for your blood pressure Fudge, change the record
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Izzy... The Rat returns....fvck off back to Sp... (U3410)
posted 35 minutes ago
Dipped in and out of this board....Can't see any scenario where Ange stays next season so the 'Ange Out brigade should chill the fvck out and look forward to Bilbao next week.
The Ange Out brigade should be worrying about who comes next. My bet is Old Gareth
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Yeh that would be my favourite, after Ange walks. Be hilarious to see the usual lot in meltdown. They think they are going to get a Prime Pep.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
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Fridge, I may Love you! ❣️
posted on 12/5/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 22 minutes ago
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
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Even if he stays he won't be getting many games if there is'nt signs of improvement.
Personally I think he is gone win or lose.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
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Fridge you are like a broken record. Been moaning for years about lack of trophies. Now that Spurs are 90 minutes away from winning one, you are moving the goalposts. Why bring Nottm Forest or Villa into it? Spurs have pretty well been better than both of them for years. One good season by both won't change that. When was the last team either Villa or Forest were close to winning anything,
posted on 12/5/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Izzy... The Rat returns....fvck off back to Sp... (U3410)
posted 35 minutes ago
Dipped in and out of this board....Can't see any scenario where Ange stays next season so the 'Ange Out brigade should chill the fvck out and look forward to Bilbao next week.
The Ange Out brigade should be worrying about who comes next. My bet is Old Gareth
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Yeh that would be my favourite, after Ange walks. Be hilarious to see the usual lot in meltdown. They think they are going to get a Prime Pep.
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Anyone from Sunday league football would do abetter job of coaching and organising the team than Ange has.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
Dev,
First of all, it's not a clique, it's an army.
Secondly, I get where everyone's coming from. We saw what took place at United last year where an FA Cup win saw Ten Hag keep his job, sign a new deal, bring in players in his image, only to be sacked just before Christmas. Success makes people make emotional decisions. If we won the Europa and qualified for the CL, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume many fans and, crucially, those within the boardroom might have a change of heart. The only thing on our side is that Levy is a pretty shrewd and ruthless operator and won't let emotion cloud his judgement. The guy is almost certainly mildly autistic so I don't think he'll be swayed by the more human good will Ange will receive.
I really don't get this criticism from fans like yourself and Sandy of fans that still hold league form to account. No other club, certainly top six, would accept relegation form just because they're focusing on cup football. It's not an excuse. What we saw yesterday I think was the worst home performance I've ever seen from a Spurs side, utterly obliterated by a cheaply assembled but, admittedly, well coached Palace team. Regardless of which basket we putting our eggs in, that performance was unacceptable.
Last year Ange said "we'll be better next year because European football will allow us the fast rhythm of games to play better". Yesterday, when questioned why form was so bad even with our best players back, he said "playing cup football has impacted us in the league". The guy is nothing more than a salesman, feeding lie upon lie upon lie, whichever one relinquishes him blame of any kind.
And I know that this is almost preaching to the converted and that everyone pretty much wants the guy out, but you watch, if we win it, there will be calls to keep him on by some, even with pressure from some pundits but I genuinely think we could go down if we keep him on next year. I totally understand the likes of Fudge who think it's worth reminding everyone just how poor he's been in the league this year.
Villa got through to the quarter of the CL - still in the hunt for CL places.
Newcastle won a cup - still in the hunt for a CL place.
Chelsea - likely to win the conference league - still in a hunt for a CL place.
Forest - yep, even Forest - through to an FA Cup semi and in with a shout of a CL place.
Your brief, particularly at Spurs, is to juggle competitions but to never disregard the importance of the league.
He's quite simply, for me anyway as a 45 year old, the worst manager we've ever had so forgive me if I get royally fecked off by the likes of Sandy perpetually backing him to still be in charge next year. This is the same man who wrote to Levy to get rid of Poch. You couldn't write that level of stupidity. I'm not even sure whether you're Ange out Dev. You align yourself a lot with Sandy which makes me slightly unsure. It's for this reason everyone else likes to write these articles because all the time there's voices out there like Sandy's, it's important to shut it the feck down.
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You are missing the point. You keep making the case for sacking Ange to people who 99% agree.
The only difference of opinion between fans has been timing.
Some like you having been calling for this for weeks/month. Others have been saying lets let the Europa play out. Both sides have merit, clear difference of opinion.
The army of fans you refer to is right. 99% see no future for him. The clique is those who have been calling for this for weeks, mainly before AZ Alkmar, and certainly after we drew at home to Frankfurt. They were calling for him to go then and now it appears that they cannot handle the fact that Ange has got us to a final, despite calling for him to be sacked weeks ago, so are talking down the achievement to validate their early calls.
My view i have expressed was he should be allowed time to show we can improve when some key injuries returned. For me it wasnt just about the Europa. We haven't impressed, even in early march when the need to protect players was less. So really i see no future for him but he still has my total support to do whatever he thinks is necessary to give us the best chance in the final.
Yes, in the future we need to fight on more than 1 front. But now we don't so there is no point putting players at risk. I noted Amorim put out a strong team at the weekend and they lost at home to a garbage West Ham who couldnt even beat our B team. Imagine if Bruno hobbled out of that game. We're not taking that risk and i also think we're not letting our A team risk losing a game (which it would be surprising if they all performed at 100%)_when really we want the positive vibes from the Europa campaign to continue.
A very strong United line up just lost at home. What do you think that's doing for their vibes?
All this debate about if he's the worst manager ever, how many games we've lost etc etc is so irrelevant right now and i am confused by any fan who wants to major on these issues now.
That is a discussion and a decision for after the 21 May. The person who needs convincing that a Europa win isnt a reason to keep him is Levy. There is no need for the continual bombardment by fans on here repeating over and over again what a bad manager he is, what a bad season this has been.
As said, it just smacks of desperation from those who said he should have been sacked months ago, covering their arses in the event we win the EL.
posted on 12/5/25
If he beat Utd he would literally, by the very definition of the word, NOT be a failure.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
If he beat Utd he would literally, by the very definition of the word, NOT be a failure.
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Most successful manager since Ramos
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
If he beat Utd he would literally, by the very definition of the word, NOT be a failure.
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Most successful manager since Ramos
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posted on 12/5/25
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 5 minutes ago
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
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Fair chance he has a decent 7 figure trophy bonus in his contract too. Maybe even enhanced severance terms. Levy will be raging!
I'll be supporting Ange in the final.
posted on 12/5/25
It's pretty depressing how some fans are talking down the achievement of winning the Europa before we've even played the final. This is not the conference league, it's a very prestigious trophy and after fans being negative and bleating about not winning a trophy, they're so focused on their hatred of Ange and can't even enjoy us having a good chance of lifting a major European trophy. If we win this, I will be too happy to care about whether Ange stays or goes.
posted on 12/5/25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cy0kl9p2l2kt#player
Wow a media day for Europa League final so early.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 5 minutes ago
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
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Fair chance he has a decent 7 figure trophy bonus in his contract too. Maybe even enhanced severance terms. Levy will be raging!
I'll be supporting Ange in the final.
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We all will. Even Sizz and Spurtle 😂😂😂😂
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 22 minutes ago
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
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That’s my take also, he knows he is gone 2 weeks today and it would have been sooner if we had been knocked out of the Europa.
But it’s a real chance for him to be able to call out loads of journos, pundits and even fans if we win it and would likely secure him another job in Europe
There is no need to worry in my opinion, I think his departure has already been worked out behind the scenes and we’re quite rightly letting him play the Europa out.
Finally Sandy knows sweet FA - people need to stop getting wound up by him, I went through that stage but filtering the giiimp has worked a treat
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 22 minutes ago
It seems to me as though Ange knows he won't be in charge next season, win or lose next week. He just appears to be focused on winning a trophy that will benefit both the club and him. Hence his willingness to risk losing a 20th league game yesterday.
We'll have got that "no trophies" monkey off our backs and he will have maintained his record of always winning something his second season.
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That’s my take also, he knows he is gone 2 weeks today and it would have been sooner if we had been knocked out of the Europa.
But it’s a real chance for him to be able to call out loads of journos, pundits and even fans if we win it and would likely secure him another job in Europe
There is no need to worry in my opinion, I think his departure has already been worked out behind the scenes and we’re quite rightly letting him play the Europa out.
Finally Sandy knows sweet FA - people need to stop getting wound up by him, I went through that stage but filtering the giiimp has worked a treat
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Sandy must love winding so many up.
I guess some cannot resist taking the bait.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's pretty depressing how some fans are talking down the achievement of winning the Europa before we've even played the final. This is not the conference league, it's a very prestigious trophy and after fans being negative and bleating about not winning a trophy, they're so focused on their hatred of Ange and can't even enjoy us having a good chance of lifting a major European trophy. If we win this, I will be too happy to care about whether Ange stays or goes.
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Have to agree bro. Some of the rehashed nonsense on here after every game. Ange most likely to leave at the end of the season but we are down where we are not just primarily due to him but also many other factors.. Mourinho and Conte hastily found out!
Its laughable someone bemoans the fact Palace were missing their best player in Warton but conveniently failed to mention Ange made 8 changes from Thursday with an 18 yr old in midfield and 17 yr rookie winger. Our squad for me is just not equipped enough when the best 11 are not on the pitch. Its an issue we have had for years but the worst its ever been.
posted on 12/5/25
I can't wait until he leaves. I'm disappointed that there will still be 1 league game to go after the Europa final so whether we win the thing or not, we'll still have to endure another rubbish Ange loss and performance.
posted on 12/5/25
Honestly why are our fans completely playing down this Europa trophy.
Many better managers have failed to get us close to it so whether you like Ange or not who bloody cares who we’ve played and how we’ve played.
Just be happy we have a chance of something shiny and then deal with the shiet league campaign after.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's pretty depressing how some fans are talking down the achievement of winning the Europa before we've even played the final. This is not the conference league, it's a very prestigious trophy and after fans being negative and bleating about not winning a trophy, they're so focused on their hatred of Ange and can't even enjoy us having a good chance of lifting a major European trophy. If we win this, I will be too happy to care about whether Ange stays or goes.
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Have to agree bro. Some of the rehashed nonsense on here after every game. Ange most likely to leave at the end of the season but we are down where we are not just primarily due to him but also many other factors.. Mourinho and Conte hastily found out!
Its laughable someone bemoans the fact Palace were missing their best player in Warton but conveniently failed to mention Ange made 8 changes from Thursday with an 18 yr old in midfield and 17 yr rookie winger. Our squad for me is just not equipped enough when the best 11 are not on the pitch. Its an issue we have had for years but the worst its ever been.
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No team can make 8 changes plus lose the likes of Son and Madders and be strong.
Honestly, what does Arsenal's or Liverpool's team look like if the only regular starters were the RB, an AM playing as striker and the 2 CMs playing one half each.
The point of the squad is to allow for management of players time, rotation, and cover. It is not to be judged on whether 8 or 9 players can be swapped in and be expected to deliver a PL performance
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