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Athletic: Amorim staying, Garnacho leaving

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posted on 27/5/25

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sancho from 75m to sign him to 5m to not have to sign him

What a waster.

That said, could see him end up back at Dortmund or somewhere in Serie A and look like a player again.
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Yep, he'll go to a more inferior league with less pressure and against poorer players and do well.

You'll then be able to say they've taken United's best attacker.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 minutes ago
"Also if true then spending £62m on Cunha seems mental to me considering we have several good players who can play that number 10 role already"

hard to agree with this. Diallo looks better at wing back, Garnacho is leaving, Mount is bang average.

Actually, we don't have a single player suited to that role, unless bruno moves in there. Cunha gives us something very different and I actually think he's a perfect fit for this setup.
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It’s one of the reasons we need to address central midfield as well so that we can get Bruno back into the attacking positions, he’s wasted in cm.
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It seems the case that Bruno does not really fit into Amorim's preferred system, but he has been by far the best player in the team, to the extent that he's difficult to drop until a good number of others step up to the mark.
It may be that Bruno can play further up front alongside Cunha and show he can adapt to that role but we have such uncertainty within the team that the talk of maybe selling Bruno for the right price this summer doesn't appeal to me at all.
I need to see more of how this team can improve and live up to Amorim's vision before considering selling Bruno, assuming Bruno isn't really the right fit behind the CF
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Why does that seem the case? He’s clearly suited to either of the ten positions. Playing him in cm is due to the crap options and unsuited players for cm.
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I personally don't have an issue of playing Bruno at 10 at all. But it's Amorim who decided that he didn't want to play both Ugarte and Cas in CM with Bruno further forward? Seems to have gone off Ugarte a bit, which surprises me given he played under him. Maybe I have misread what Amorim is doing, but I feel Bruno isn't the best to have in that CM role, even as our best player, compared to others who could have played in there.

If Amorim has played Bruno in CM because he felt it better for the team as a whole, then that's his choice.
I would rather have Bruno play in his best role, which is further up front. But the results of the last few months suggest it didn't really work.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 27/5/25

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 23 minutes ago
Be interesting to see how he fits within their wage bill. I thought they’d largely got rid of big names on large wages and reports saying he’ll demand the £355k a week he gets at Napoli.
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Mikel was acting as a go between last summer and he said that the wages were agreed. That both sides had had to compromise.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 40 minutes ago
Some players are just more suited to a slower tempo game. Sancho is the perfect example of it. People said it was United that was the issue but he's been equally bad at Chelsea really. He just doesn't have the pace and physicality required for the PL.

Antony appears to look better too when the game isn't being played at 100mph. I don't think it was United specific with him either. I think he'd look just as poor in the Spurs or Chelsea team too.

I prefer PL wingers / wide forwards to have pace. The ones that don't need to be incredibly special footballers to compensate.
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The thing with Antony, he is scoring work does form positions he was hitting 3 points at OT.

I put that down to weight of expectation, he doesn’t lack the dynamism or stamina for the PL imo, pace and strength perhaps.

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 40 minutes ago
Some players are just more suited to a slower tempo game. Sancho is the perfect example of it. People said it was United that was the issue but he's been equally bad at Chelsea really. He just doesn't have the pace and physicality required for the PL.

Antony appears to look better too when the game isn't being played at 100mph. I don't think it was United specific with him either. I think he'd look just as poor in the Spurs or Chelsea team too.

I prefer PL wingers / wide forwards to have pace. The ones that don't need to be incredibly special footballers to compensate.
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The thing with Antony, he is scoring work does form positions he was hitting 3 points at OT.

I put that down to weight of expectation, he doesn’t lack the dynamism or stamina for the PL imo, pace and strength perhaps.
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I agree.

He's clearly not as bad as he looked for us but at same time I don't think the PL is where he is suited. As soon as a defender could match him for pace he was done for us.

posted on 27/5/25

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 minutes ago
"Also if true then spending £62m on Cunha seems mental to me considering we have several good players who can play that number 10 role already"

hard to agree with this. Diallo looks better at wing back, Garnacho is leaving, Mount is bang average.

Actually, we don't have a single player suited to that role, unless bruno moves in there. Cunha gives us something very different and I actually think he's a perfect fit for this setup.
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It’s one of the reasons we need to address central midfield as well so that we can get Bruno back into the attacking positions, he’s wasted in cm.
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It seems the case that Bruno does not really fit into Amorim's preferred system, but he has been by far the best player in the team, to the extent that he's difficult to drop until a good number of others step up to the mark.
It may be that Bruno can play further up front alongside Cunha and show he can adapt to that role but we have such uncertainty within the team that the talk of maybe selling Bruno for the right price this summer doesn't appeal to me at all.
I need to see more of how this team can improve and live up to Amorim's vision before considering selling Bruno, assuming Bruno isn't really the right fit behind the CF
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Why does that seem the case? He’s clearly suited to either of the ten positions. Playing him in cm is due to the crap options and unsuited players for cm.
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I personally don't have an issue of playing Bruno at 10 at all. But it's Amorim who decided that he didn't want to play both Ugarte and Cas in CM with Bruno further forward? Seems to have gone off Ugarte a bit, which surprises me given he played under him. Maybe I have misread what Amorim is doing, but I feel Bruno isn't the best to have in that CM role, even as our best player, compared to others who could have played in there.

If Amorim has played Bruno in CM because he felt it better for the team as a whole, then that's his choice.
I would rather have Bruno play in his best role, which is further up front. But the results of the last few months suggest it didn't really work.
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But that’s a different point to suggesting he doesn’t fit into his preferred system. Bruno is our best number 10 and centre mid, so it then becomes a decision for Amorim whether he rates our cm alternatives over our number 10 alternatives, the evidence suggesting he rates the number 10s higher.

posted on 27/5/25

To avoid going all Football Managery, i think the club will be looking to get a couple of signings in early by activating release clauses of Cunha and Delap. That will blow the apparently available £100m budget.

Then I think the priority will be outgoings…

Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans (released)
Rashford, Malacia, Antony, Sancho, Garnacho (clear they have been told they have no future)

Once a few of the above have gone, then I think there will be an Mbeumo type signing.

Then there would be a one in one out policy if the following are sold for sensible offers…

Onana, Bayindir, Hojlund, Casemiro, Shaw. I cant see the club entertaining offers for any other players.

Thats not to say we cant get creative. We need a wing-back or two. Would someone like Semedo in a free be useful for the RWB as a short term option while we work back to getting into Europe?

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sancho from 75m to sign him to 5m to not have to sign him

What a waster.

That said, could see him end up back at Dortmund or somewhere in Serie A and look like a player again.
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Yep, he'll go to a more inferior league with less pressure and against poorer players and do well.

You'll then be able to say they've taken United's best attacker.
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That's how it works isn't it?

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 minutes ago
"Also if true then spending £62m on Cunha seems mental to me considering we have several good players who can play that number 10 role already"

hard to agree with this. Diallo looks better at wing back, Garnacho is leaving, Mount is bang average.

Actually, we don't have a single player suited to that role, unless bruno moves in there. Cunha gives us something very different and I actually think he's a perfect fit for this setup.
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It’s one of the reasons we need to address central midfield as well so that we can get Bruno back into the attacking positions, he’s wasted in cm.
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It seems the case that Bruno does not really fit into Amorim's preferred system, but he has been by far the best player in the team, to the extent that he's difficult to drop until a good number of others step up to the mark.
It may be that Bruno can play further up front alongside Cunha and show he can adapt to that role but we have such uncertainty within the team that the talk of maybe selling Bruno for the right price this summer doesn't appeal to me at all.
I need to see more of how this team can improve and live up to Amorim's vision before considering selling Bruno, assuming Bruno isn't really the right fit behind the CF
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Why does that seem the case? He’s clearly suited to either of the ten positions. Playing him in cm is due to the crap options and unsuited players for cm.
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I personally don't have an issue of playing Bruno at 10 at all. But it's Amorim who decided that he didn't want to play both Ugarte and Cas in CM with Bruno further forward? Seems to have gone off Ugarte a bit, which surprises me given he played under him. Maybe I have misread what Amorim is doing, but I feel Bruno isn't the best to have in that CM role, even as our best player, compared to others who could have played in there.

If Amorim has played Bruno in CM because he felt it better for the team as a whole, then that's his choice.
I would rather have Bruno play in his best role, which is further up front. But the results of the last few months suggest it didn't really work.
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But that’s a different point to suggesting he doesn’t fit into his preferred system. Bruno is our best number 10 and centre mid, so it then becomes a decision for Amorim whether he rates our cm alternatives over our number 10 alternatives, the evidence suggesting he rates the number 10s higher.
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Well I guess I just disagree with Amorim on that. I think what Bruno offers as a 10 outweighs what he can do in CM, and I don't feel he is our best CM either, for what we need there, so the CM alternatives are way better than the No.10 alternatives. So perhaps wrongly I have felt that Amorim prefers Bruno in that role compared to that at 10.

posted on 27/5/25

I guess Bruno in CM means more creative players on the pitch, and better ball progression from deep. But there's obviously a trade-off.

posted on 27/5/25

If only there was another way of getting more creative players on the pitch without playing Bruno in centre mid.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
I guess Bruno in CM means more creative players on the pitch, and better ball progression from deep. But there's obviously a trade-off.
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Bruno is our most creative player, so have him doing that in his best position, rather than restrict that by playing him in CM. And I feel Ugarte and Cas is just more solid in CM.

But it's all gone now. We were pretty much rubbish whatever we did.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 27/5/25

If we sign both Cunha and Mbeumo then I think there is a good chance that Bruno leaves.

posted on 27/5/25

Why do you think that?

posted on 27/5/25

But Bruno is a different type of 10. Watch Amorims sporting team, 3-4-3 in the EPL. They are more drivers of the ball than pass spreaders. It's why he kept trying Garnacho and Amad there.

posted on 27/5/25

Pedro Goncalves doesn’t, he’s just a poor man’s Bruno.

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 25 minutes ago
Pedro Goncalves doesn’t, he’s just a poor man’s Bruno.
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How dare you.

posted on 27/5/25

Don’t start, you know I refuse to use that shiiiiiit name.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Why do you think that?
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Because I don't see how you fit Cunha, Bruno, Amad and Mbeumo in the same team.

posted on 27/5/25

The others would have to spend some time on the bench.

comment by Pun (U21588)

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 29 minutes ago
Don’t start, you know I refuse to use that shiiiiiit name.
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comment by Pun (U21588)

posted on 27/5/25

Darren The Pote Amorim

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
The others would have to spend some time on the bench.
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I don't think we are in a position to be buying squad players for big fees. I know that there must be rotation, but Amad and Bruno should be starting if they are both at the club and we can't afford to spend £50/60m on squad players.

posted on 27/5/25

Amad’s gonna be injured half the season and Amoron will probably shoehorn Bruno into cm in a load of games as well.

I doubt we’ll get Mbuemo anyway, I think he’ll end up going to Newcastle.

posted on 27/5/25

comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 36 minutes ago
Darren The Pote Amorim
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