comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
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No I was talking about scousers saying Gerrard is the best cm in the Prem ever. I’ve literally never seen anyone say that, ever. Like I said, may have missed it.
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Ah I read it all the time.
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No you don’t, but it’s okay. Don’t worry about it.
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What a strange man you must be to think you know better than me what I do and don't read on the internet.

Narcissist much?
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Not really. You see them ‘all the time’ right?

Okay, show us. Shouldnt be hard with you seeing them ‘all the time’.
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Oh, let me go back through all my social media history so I can satisfy this narcissist on a football forum.

Nah, I'll give that a miss thanks.

Haha, yeah thought so.

Have a nice day

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
Haha, yeah thought so.

Have a nice day
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Toodle pip.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's best ever in the PL
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I used to love watching Gerrard growing up and think he was an amazing player, but I dunno where he'd fit into an all time 11 really. Not as good on the right as Salah, not as good at attacking mid as KDB, not as good deeper as Vieira or Keane. Just a bit of a weird one.
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With Gerrard it doesn't matter the formation he gets in.

4-3-3 he gets in easily and you can accommodate a Keane/Vieira and playmaker type like KDB.

4-4-2 - KDB is a luxury so he's binned. So it's Gerrard and another.

Fwiw - I'm not sure if i'm 100% if KDB makes either team.

It's hard, if not impossible to say who's overrated.
By who for a start off?
All the names mentioned were great players. But surprise, it's fans from other teams who say X was overrated.

Tony Adams

Good defender but receives a lot of adulation for being a one team man.

For me he was a bit clumsy and not great on the ball, although the goal against Everton in 1998 was a decent finish.

Much like McGrath I think Adam’s gets props for doing most of it drunk, which tbf, I’m not against.

comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 4 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 47 minutes ago
Scholes - could barely put a full season together, lacked athleticism, poor defensively. A man with such a brilliant strike he hit double figures once in his career and a pass master who got hardly any assists despite having the likes of RvN and Cole in front of him. Interestingly, Scholes just keeps getting better even now.

Cantona - the ‘King’ (amusingly they have two somehow) where people have to use words like ‘ ‘galvanise’ to propel his lack of input higher. A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time.

Ledley King - ‘ooooooo if it wasn’t for this and that then he’d be, etc’. Yeah? Well he had the career he had so…

Vidic - fvck me you’d think he was Beckenbauer the way they rattle on. In reality he wasn’t even as good a Stam (who doesn’t get the credit he deserves) or Rio.

Ederson - good keeper but not great. People seem to have cottoned onto this a bit now. Numerous gaffs against Liverpool though.
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Suarez. Terrible footballer, good at biting people though.
Also a racist cant and won't be remembered for anything football, more being a racist cannibal.
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Without a shadow of doubt the third best player this century. Only a handful of players ever have more goals and assists.

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 5 hours, 11 minutes ago
Haha, yeah thought so.

Have a nice day
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What a loser.

The fact that Keane and Rice are even being compared means this whole article is absolutely a sharticle!

The only one on the op's list I agree with as overated is rice.

lol

Everyone you listed were brilliant.

comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 6 hours, 6 minutes ago
Tony Adams

Good defender but receives a lot of adulation for being a one team man.

For me he was a bit clumsy and not great on the ball, although the goal against Everton in 1998 was a decent finish.
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I think it is more for captaining a team to titles in 3 different decades, being outstanding for club, adapting his playing style under two very contrasting managers in Graham and Wenger. He was very good on the ball, it is just Graham didn't want his CBs to be ball players.

He is underrated if anything. A lot of people box him into "a great back 5" rather than appreciating his individual ability.

I see the usual crowd are attention seeking with their ‘Scholes is overrated’ nonsense.

I think part of it stems from being people who watch football on the TV instead of going to games.

Sometimes you just need to use your eyes. Scholes just ran football matches. He controlled the tempo and there’s a reason why he often played in a two man central midfield that dominated the premier league.

Throwing goal scoring stats at him is just lazy. It’s not the way the team played.

He was the conductor of an orchestra that had Beckham, Giggs plus some of the best strikers the league has ever seen.

As for him getting better, that’s just a lie. Those of us who watched Scholes week in, week out, knew exactly how special he was and said as much at the time.

Cantona - the ‘King’ (amusingly they have two somehow) where people have to use words like ‘ ‘galvanise’ to propel his lack of input higher. A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time

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But Cantona really did galvanise United, taking us from nearly men to serial winners. The difference when he didn't play was striking - he was the definition of a talisman for the best team (by a distance, most of the time he was there) in the country. I don't really care who's been better since. We're talking early 90s here: technical foreigners were rare in English football so obviously the influx since then has seen the game change.

But Cantona really did galvanise United, taking us from nearly men to serial winners. The difference when he didn't play was striking

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Exactly, ask palace fans.

comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
Cantona - the ‘King’ (amusingly they have two somehow) where people have to use words like ‘ ‘galvanise’ to propel his lack of input higher. A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time

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But Cantona really did galvanise United, taking us from nearly men to serial winners. The difference when he didn't play was striking - he was the definition of a talisman for the best team (by a distance, most of the time he was there) in the country. I don't really care who's been better since. We're talking early 90s here: technical foreigners were rare in English football so obviously the influx since then has seen the game change.
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A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time

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comment by Barefoot (U19770)
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Tony Adams

Good defender but receives a lot of adulation for being a one team man.

For me he was a bit clumsy and not great on the ball, although the goal against Everton in 1998 was a decent finish.
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I think it is more for captaining a team to titles in 3 different decades, being outstanding for club, adapting his playing style under two very contrasting managers in Graham and Wenger. He was very good on the ball, it is just Graham didn't want his CBs to be ball players.

He is underrated if anything. A lot of people box him into "a great back 5" rather than appreciating his individual ability.
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You would have watched him a lot more than me and part of my judgement is what I saw when he was playing for England. Great leader but imo not a great CB.
Being a Wycombe fan I won't mention his managerial career!!!

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
Cantona - the ‘King’ (amusingly they have two somehow) where people have to use words like ‘ ‘galvanise’ to propel his lack of input higher. A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time

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But Cantona really did galvanise United, taking us from nearly men to serial winners. The difference when he didn't play was striking - he was the definition of a talisman for the best team (by a distance, most of the time he was there) in the country. I don't really care who's been better since. We're talking early 90s here: technical foreigners were rare in English football so obviously the influx since then has seen the game change.
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A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time
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Including United fans, so I don't really see what the beef is with him. He's a club and PL legend for providing iconic moments and lifting United to great heights. These are both unarguable really.

If people were consistently putting him in their all-time PL XIs, I'd agree he was overrated. But, as you point out, they're not. Still a legend though.

comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
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comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
Cantona - the ‘King’ (amusingly they have two somehow) where people have to use words like ‘ ‘galvanise’ to propel his lack of input higher. A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time

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But Cantona really did galvanise United, taking us from nearly men to serial winners. The difference when he didn't play was striking - he was the definition of a talisman for the best team (by a distance, most of the time he was there) in the country. I don't really care who's been better since. We're talking early 90s here: technical foreigners were rare in English football so obviously the influx since then has seen the game change.
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A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time
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Including United fans, so I don't really see what the beef is with him. He's a club and PL legend for providing iconic moments and lifting United to great heights. These are both unarguable really.

If people were consistently putting him in their all-time PL XIs, I'd agree he was overrated. But, as you point out, they're not. Still a legend though.
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It’s just rival fans looking for attention.

Cantona is revered because of his effect on the club and on a special group of young players, as much as his star quality.

We all know he doesn’t feature in a best Prem XI.

To call Cantona overrated is bizarre as much as it is amusing.

The thing is, most people's all-time PL XIs won't include ANY players from 92-96, not just Cantona. Exceptions might be Keane and Shearer, but even they were active way beyond those years (and in Keane's case in particular, at his best after those years).

That's no slight on Cantona.

comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
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comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
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comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
Cantona - the ‘King’ (amusingly they have two somehow) where people have to use words like ‘ ‘galvanise’ to propel his lack of input higher. A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time

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But Cantona really did galvanise United, taking us from nearly men to serial winners. The difference when he didn't play was striking - he was the definition of a talisman for the best team (by a distance, most of the time he was there) in the country. I don't really care who's been better since. We're talking early 90s here: technical foreigners were rare in English football so obviously the influx since then has seen the game change.
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A player that was so good literally no-one, anywhere, ever, puts him in the best Prem 11 or even 22 of all time
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Including United fans, so I don't really see what the beef is with him. He's a club and PL legend for providing iconic moments and lifting United to great heights. These are both unarguable really.

If people were consistently putting him in their all-time PL XIs, I'd agree he was overrated. But, as you point out, they're not. Still a legend though.
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Well if you’re going to call someone ‘The King’ (again , not sure how you can have two) and attribute him to being the reason Utd went on to dominate the league, I’d fully expect him to be in the conversation for one of the best players the league has ever seen and walk into the best 22 players.

He doesn’t, in fact he doesn’t get near it. I’m not alone in thinking it either, most oppo fans think this to some degree (there’s been other threads on this before).

This thread is about overrated players and, no offence, you’re just proving the point.

I’ve just checked and Cantona got in the team of the year only once. That’s how good he was. The King.

In 18 years of football he scored less goals than Gerrard.

He was a very good player, a hyped up Le Tissier, and yet holds some weird God status despite bottling football and quitting after having some pretty poor disciplinary issues.

He’s quite clearly overrated by many Utd fans, and that’s the point of the thread.

Feel free to post the players that you feel are overrated, because that’s actually why this thread exists.

I'm not even saying he would get into an XI of solely French PL players. He probably wouldn't.

I'm not sure he "bottled football". He wasn't the same player in 96-97 and knew it.

He only had two really good, full seasons with us and we won the double in both, with him as a key man, if not the key man. Not all that surprising if he only made some "Team of the Year" once.

The influx of foreign stars, Wenger's influence, consistent European football etc lifted the ceiling of the PL in the late 90s, so some of the legends of the first few years have naturally been surpassed.

I'm just stating a few facts about how influentual he was for the dominant team of the early PL years, and how iconic he was as a figure. You're getting annoyed about a nickname that you wish to take literally.

And who said you can't have two kings, if they're from completely different eras?

Robbie Fowler was nicknamed after a divine creator and I don't see him in anyone's PL XI.