I think players staying away from the tour is a good thing. Amorim can get yhe culture reset without the bad attitudes, and with two new hard working players. Then if/when those lef5 behind come in, they will have less influence to disrupt, and have to adapt to the group.
comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think players staying away from the tour is a good thing. Amorim can get yhe culture reset without the bad attitudes, and with two new hard working players. Then if/when those lef5 behind come in, they will have less influence to disrupt, and have to adapt to the group.
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Never had Antony as having an attitude problem or Malacia for that matter. They're just not good enough.
But they are still utd players so only good they get a proper pre season in especially if Rubin thinks there may be a chance them not getting a move.
Garnacho and Sancho are the risks as far as negative attitudes are concerned
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Little Steve (U23271)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 39 seconds ago
Who’s paying £10m for Malacia? By all reports he was awful on loan at PSV last season and clearly isn’t the same since his injury, which is totally understandable.
I think it’s probably unrealistic to expect Antony to match is Betis form this season.
I see the Sancho to Juve rumours have died down, sounded far too good to be true.
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Almost like making 5 players train alone didn't help put them in the shop window.
Well ran clubs like Liverpool (pains me to say it) dont handle their business like we do. We could sadly learn a lot from the way they conduct themselves off the pitch and on it.
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Yeah, let's have unhappy, negative influences around the squad to fool buying clubs in to thinking we want to keep Sancho, Rashford, Garnacho and Antony. It's not like the buying clubs could find out the real situation from the players agents or anything.
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Would you let your dog pee all over your carpets before you let people come around to view your house you're trying to sell? No you wouldn't. You'd tidy up and have your house smelling nice.
If a manager cant handle a few players training for a few weeks whilst we look for solutions for them to leave then he isn't much of a manager in my eyes.
We're in a very poor state already and all it's done is made our negotiating position even weaker.
Keep things in house as much as possible and deal with them. Thats the way to conduct business.
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It hasn't weakened our hand. Everyone knew we wanted rid of them.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
"Would you let your dog pee all over your carpets before you let people come around to view your house you're trying to sell? No you wouldn't. You'd tidy up and have your house smelling nice."
That's a terrible analogy? So youre' say you let the dog pee everywhere causing a huge mess then clean it up after hiding the major problem it is doing to the house?
So let these players train with the first team and cause massive distruptions and hinder the manager's ability to train a smaller focused group, then just 'clean up' the problem and pretend everything is fine even though players are allowed to speak about how they feel anyway?
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Come back to me in September when Antony is back on loan, Sancho back at Dortmund on loan.
Wouldn't even shock me if Garnacho goes on loan with option to buy either way things are going.
Ruben and the club haven't handled this well at all.
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If they are out on loan, that is a reflection upon their ability, rather than where they trained for 5-6 weeks
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Amorim has been honest with the players stating they're not in his plans and it seems he's also just stated that if they don't find moves he'll have them back. I think that's fair enough.
Don't think he should have played it any differently to be honest.
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But if we have to take them back hes made matters even worse, surely?
If he cant handle a handful of players training for a few weeks whilst we look for moves for them, then management maybe isnt for him. Managers are paid to manage. Do the job you're paid for.
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He managed the situation.
You aren't in my plans. Go find yoursleves a move.
I'm all for the clubs considered / tough recent approach to transfers.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think players staying away from the tour is a good thing. Amorim can get yhe culture reset without the bad attitudes, and with two new hard working players. Then if/when those lef5 behind come in, they will have less influence to disrupt, and have to adapt to the group.
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Never had Antony as having an attitude problem or Malacia for that matter. They're just not good enough.
But they are still utd players so only good they get a proper pre season in especially if Rubin thinks there may be a chance them not getting a move.
Garnacho and Sancho are the risks as far as negative attitudes are concerned
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This. If we can't sell Antony, I wouldn't mind giving him another shot.
Where? He’s a winger and we don’t play with wingers.
comment by Little Steve (U23271)
posted 17 minutes ago
RWB
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Yup, 10 if needed too. See if he's shooting at Spain are still in him
The smartest thing financially might actually be to send Antony on loan again, rather than sell him.
It certainly isn’t to have him at the club.
With Antony, I'm glad he's done well at Betis and hopefully something can happen there, but I still don't feel he's good enough to be playing at Utd - just not a good fit for the EPL.
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
The smartest thing financially might actually be to send Antony on loan again, rather than sell him.
It certainly isn’t to have him at the club.
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I agree
But in the mean time I don't see any issue with him doing pre season with club. Hes not a disruptive player and hasnt had a personal fall out with rubin. A couple of 5 to 10 minute cameo appearances keeps him in the shop window particularly if he bags a goal or gets an assist.
So we’re should keep Antony to play out of position and be a 6th choice #10 or a 5th choice RWB. Makes total sense.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 33 minutes ago
So we’re should keep Antony to play out of position and be a 6th choice #10 or a 5th choice RWB. Makes total sense.
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Sending him out on loan really makes no sense and if we do not get a striker, we still need more attackers. Sell him or use him to fill up numbers.
As for RWB, Its literally just Dalot and Amad wondering where the 5th or 6th choice came from. Also on the right sided 10 is Mbuemo, Amad or moving Bruno? Not understanding where all these players you think we have are
Sending him out on loan really makes no sense and if we do not get a striker, we still need more attackers. Sell him or use him to fill up numbers
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If we're going to sell Antony it needs to be for (roughly) £35m, at least. Anything less than that is detrimental to us from a PSR perspective.
We could keep him, but it would be pretty pointless because he doesn't want to be here, we know he's not cut out for it, he is way down the pecking order in both positions and we'll have less need for rotation this season anyway.
I think a loan is definitely the most likely option here as it helps gets his wages off the books for another season whilst we run his contract down. Both Antony's suitors and his entourage know we'll blink eventually given all of the above (and the fact we did so already with Rashford). Wouldn't be surprised to see the same with Sancho too.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
Sending him out on loan really makes no sense and if we do not get a striker, we still need more attackers. Sell him or use him to fill up numbers
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If we're going to sell Antony it needs to be for (roughly) £35m, at least. Anything less than that is detrimental to us from a PSR perspective.
We could keep him, but it would be pretty pointless because he doesn't want to be here, we know he's not cut out for it, he is way down the pecking order in both positions and we'll have less need for rotation this season anyway.
I think a loan is definitely the most likely option here as it helps gets his wages off the books for another season whilst we run his contract down. Both Antony's suitors and his entourage know we'll blink eventually given all of the above (and the fact we did so already with Rashford). Wouldn't be surprised to see the same with Sancho too.
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As well as getting his wages off the books, we should be getting a half decent loan fee given his La Liga performance and the fact that there are reportedly several clubs interested in him.
If he’s playing and in the shop window every week (which obviously wouldn’t happen at United), there’s also a much better chance we’d get a better fee for him next summer.
Plus we have Mazraoui, Kamason and Mantato who can cover on the right.
It’s a no brainer really.
Mbuemo, Amad, Mount, Bruno, Cunha and Zirkzee are all ahead of him in the 2 #10 roles.
Dalot, Dorgu, Amad, Maz are all ahead of him at RWB plus a few of the youth players.
Keeping him would be completely pointless. He will go out on loan eventually if we can’t sell him.
I think Diafol alluded to this earlier that Amorim is sending a message to the remaining want away players. Pointing out that it's a world cup year and that he is ready to welcome them back in to the fold is he is testing their resolve and footballing ambition. Is it a case of take a pay cut and get a move and play regularly or come back and fight for a few minutes here and there and forget about the world cup ?
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Amorim has been honest with the players stating they're not in his plans and it seems he's also just stated that if they don't find moves he'll have them back. I think that's fair enough.
Don't think he should have played it any differently to be honest.
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But if we have to take them back hes made matters even worse, surely?
If he cant handle a handful of players training for a few weeks whilst we look for moves for them, then management maybe isnt for him. Managers are paid to manage. Do the job you're paid for.
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That's exactly what he is doing. Making tough decisions that he believes are for the good of the team. We all knew the squad has been rotten for years. He is removing the players that he believes are an issue and showing his authority.
The players already know that he doesn't want them. Their agents know the same and are actively trying to get them a move. The fact that Amorim has confirmed this to the general public makes no difference.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think Diafol alluded to this earlier that Amorim is sending a message to the remaining want away players. Pointing out that it's a world cup year and that he is ready to welcome them back in to the fold is he is testing their resolve and footballing ambition. Is it a case of take a pay cut and get a move and play regularly or come back and fight for a few minutes here and there and forget about the world cup ?
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100% this.
He's basically putting a rocket up them to try and sort a move,whilst reminding them that they will have to be in the right frame/show the right attitude if they do end up returning to the squad.
The players that have been banished are in positions where we've strengthened as well. That should indicate they're not in the plans.
If one of them was a CF or CM then there could possibly be a way back. However, they're not and there isn't.
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posted on 25/7/25
I think players staying away from the tour is a good thing. Amorim can get yhe culture reset without the bad attitudes, and with two new hard working players. Then if/when those lef5 behind come in, they will have less influence to disrupt, and have to adapt to the group.
posted on 25/7/25
comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think players staying away from the tour is a good thing. Amorim can get yhe culture reset without the bad attitudes, and with two new hard working players. Then if/when those lef5 behind come in, they will have less influence to disrupt, and have to adapt to the group.
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Never had Antony as having an attitude problem or Malacia for that matter. They're just not good enough.
But they are still utd players so only good they get a proper pre season in especially if Rubin thinks there may be a chance them not getting a move.
Garnacho and Sancho are the risks as far as negative attitudes are concerned
posted on 25/7/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Little Steve (U23271)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 39 seconds ago
Who’s paying £10m for Malacia? By all reports he was awful on loan at PSV last season and clearly isn’t the same since his injury, which is totally understandable.
I think it’s probably unrealistic to expect Antony to match is Betis form this season.
I see the Sancho to Juve rumours have died down, sounded far too good to be true.
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Almost like making 5 players train alone didn't help put them in the shop window.
Well ran clubs like Liverpool (pains me to say it) dont handle their business like we do. We could sadly learn a lot from the way they conduct themselves off the pitch and on it.
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Yeah, let's have unhappy, negative influences around the squad to fool buying clubs in to thinking we want to keep Sancho, Rashford, Garnacho and Antony. It's not like the buying clubs could find out the real situation from the players agents or anything.
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Would you let your dog pee all over your carpets before you let people come around to view your house you're trying to sell? No you wouldn't. You'd tidy up and have your house smelling nice.
If a manager cant handle a few players training for a few weeks whilst we look for solutions for them to leave then he isn't much of a manager in my eyes.
We're in a very poor state already and all it's done is made our negotiating position even weaker.
Keep things in house as much as possible and deal with them. Thats the way to conduct business.
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It hasn't weakened our hand. Everyone knew we wanted rid of them.
posted on 25/7/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
"Would you let your dog pee all over your carpets before you let people come around to view your house you're trying to sell? No you wouldn't. You'd tidy up and have your house smelling nice."
That's a terrible analogy? So youre' say you let the dog pee everywhere causing a huge mess then clean it up after hiding the major problem it is doing to the house?
So let these players train with the first team and cause massive distruptions and hinder the manager's ability to train a smaller focused group, then just 'clean up' the problem and pretend everything is fine even though players are allowed to speak about how they feel anyway?
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Come back to me in September when Antony is back on loan, Sancho back at Dortmund on loan.
Wouldn't even shock me if Garnacho goes on loan with option to buy either way things are going.
Ruben and the club haven't handled this well at all.
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If they are out on loan, that is a reflection upon their ability, rather than where they trained for 5-6 weeks
posted on 25/7/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Amorim has been honest with the players stating they're not in his plans and it seems he's also just stated that if they don't find moves he'll have them back. I think that's fair enough.
Don't think he should have played it any differently to be honest.
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But if we have to take them back hes made matters even worse, surely?
If he cant handle a handful of players training for a few weeks whilst we look for moves for them, then management maybe isnt for him. Managers are paid to manage. Do the job you're paid for.
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He managed the situation.
You aren't in my plans. Go find yoursleves a move.
I'm all for the clubs considered / tough recent approach to transfers.
posted on 25/7/25
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think players staying away from the tour is a good thing. Amorim can get yhe culture reset without the bad attitudes, and with two new hard working players. Then if/when those lef5 behind come in, they will have less influence to disrupt, and have to adapt to the group.
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Never had Antony as having an attitude problem or Malacia for that matter. They're just not good enough.
But they are still utd players so only good they get a proper pre season in especially if Rubin thinks there may be a chance them not getting a move.
Garnacho and Sancho are the risks as far as negative attitudes are concerned
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This. If we can't sell Antony, I wouldn't mind giving him another shot.
posted on 25/7/25
Where? He’s a winger and we don’t play with wingers.
posted on 25/7/25
RWB
posted on 25/7/25
comment by Little Steve (U23271)
posted 17 minutes ago
RWB
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Yup, 10 if needed too. See if he's shooting at Spain are still in him
posted on 25/7/25
The smartest thing financially might actually be to send Antony on loan again, rather than sell him.
It certainly isn’t to have him at the club.
posted on 25/7/25
With Antony, I'm glad he's done well at Betis and hopefully something can happen there, but I still don't feel he's good enough to be playing at Utd - just not a good fit for the EPL.
posted on 25/7/25
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
The smartest thing financially might actually be to send Antony on loan again, rather than sell him.
It certainly isn’t to have him at the club.
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I agree
But in the mean time I don't see any issue with him doing pre season with club. Hes not a disruptive player and hasnt had a personal fall out with rubin. A couple of 5 to 10 minute cameo appearances keeps him in the shop window particularly if he bags a goal or gets an assist.
posted on 25/7/25
So we’re should keep Antony to play out of position and be a 6th choice #10 or a 5th choice RWB. Makes total sense.
posted on 26/7/25
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 33 minutes ago
So we’re should keep Antony to play out of position and be a 6th choice #10 or a 5th choice RWB. Makes total sense.
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Sending him out on loan really makes no sense and if we do not get a striker, we still need more attackers. Sell him or use him to fill up numbers.
As for RWB, Its literally just Dalot and Amad wondering where the 5th or 6th choice came from. Also on the right sided 10 is Mbuemo, Amad or moving Bruno? Not understanding where all these players you think we have are
posted on 26/7/25
Sending him out on loan really makes no sense and if we do not get a striker, we still need more attackers. Sell him or use him to fill up numbers
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If we're going to sell Antony it needs to be for (roughly) £35m, at least. Anything less than that is detrimental to us from a PSR perspective.
We could keep him, but it would be pretty pointless because he doesn't want to be here, we know he's not cut out for it, he is way down the pecking order in both positions and we'll have less need for rotation this season anyway.
I think a loan is definitely the most likely option here as it helps gets his wages off the books for another season whilst we run his contract down. Both Antony's suitors and his entourage know we'll blink eventually given all of the above (and the fact we did so already with Rashford). Wouldn't be surprised to see the same with Sancho too.
posted on 26/7/25
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
Sending him out on loan really makes no sense and if we do not get a striker, we still need more attackers. Sell him or use him to fill up numbers
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If we're going to sell Antony it needs to be for (roughly) £35m, at least. Anything less than that is detrimental to us from a PSR perspective.
We could keep him, but it would be pretty pointless because he doesn't want to be here, we know he's not cut out for it, he is way down the pecking order in both positions and we'll have less need for rotation this season anyway.
I think a loan is definitely the most likely option here as it helps gets his wages off the books for another season whilst we run his contract down. Both Antony's suitors and his entourage know we'll blink eventually given all of the above (and the fact we did so already with Rashford). Wouldn't be surprised to see the same with Sancho too.
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As well as getting his wages off the books, we should be getting a half decent loan fee given his La Liga performance and the fact that there are reportedly several clubs interested in him.
If he’s playing and in the shop window every week (which obviously wouldn’t happen at United), there’s also a much better chance we’d get a better fee for him next summer.
Plus we have Mazraoui, Kamason and Mantato who can cover on the right.
It’s a no brainer really.
posted on 26/7/25
Mbuemo, Amad, Mount, Bruno, Cunha and Zirkzee are all ahead of him in the 2 #10 roles.
Dalot, Dorgu, Amad, Maz are all ahead of him at RWB plus a few of the youth players.
Keeping him would be completely pointless. He will go out on loan eventually if we can’t sell him.
posted on 26/7/25
I think Diafol alluded to this earlier that Amorim is sending a message to the remaining want away players. Pointing out that it's a world cup year and that he is ready to welcome them back in to the fold is he is testing their resolve and footballing ambition. Is it a case of take a pay cut and get a move and play regularly or come back and fight for a few minutes here and there and forget about the world cup ?
posted on 26/7/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Amorim has been honest with the players stating they're not in his plans and it seems he's also just stated that if they don't find moves he'll have them back. I think that's fair enough.
Don't think he should have played it any differently to be honest.
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But if we have to take them back hes made matters even worse, surely?
If he cant handle a handful of players training for a few weeks whilst we look for moves for them, then management maybe isnt for him. Managers are paid to manage. Do the job you're paid for.
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That's exactly what he is doing. Making tough decisions that he believes are for the good of the team. We all knew the squad has been rotten for years. He is removing the players that he believes are an issue and showing his authority.
The players already know that he doesn't want them. Their agents know the same and are actively trying to get them a move. The fact that Amorim has confirmed this to the general public makes no difference.
posted on 26/7/25
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think Diafol alluded to this earlier that Amorim is sending a message to the remaining want away players. Pointing out that it's a world cup year and that he is ready to welcome them back in to the fold is he is testing their resolve and footballing ambition. Is it a case of take a pay cut and get a move and play regularly or come back and fight for a few minutes here and there and forget about the world cup ?
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100% this.
He's basically putting a rocket up them to try and sort a move,whilst reminding them that they will have to be in the right frame/show the right attitude if they do end up returning to the squad.
posted on 26/7/25
The players that have been banished are in positions where we've strengthened as well. That should indicate they're not in the plans.
If one of them was a CF or CM then there could possibly be a way back. However, they're not and there isn't.
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