posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Its a bit of everything.
Bad finishing / poor composure in front of goal
Awful GK
Formation makes us vulnerable in midfield
Concentration levels at back are often poor
Whatever it is he's trying to get them to do......its still a million miles off being right.
Looking at our upcoming fixtures I actually think he's going to do well to still be in a job come the 2nd Int break.
I feel for him as he is trying to change so much but I genuinely dont think this group of players are right for his system.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Bad system mostly. When you have one of the most expensive squads in the league, even with a poor goalkeeper you should still win most games as you should be on top of most teams.
The fact that you play with five defenders and still concede loads of goals shows the system doesn't work.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Mu52, with your years of wisdom I am surprised that you cannot see that the issue is Ruben and his system.
We just do not have the right players for it and he is forcing it on a team that it does not fit with.
We are so easy to attack against that I honestly think we'd struggle in the championship.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
That being said. His next run of fixtures are probably the worst he could have hoped for.
If he comes out the other end having done well, I think he may change a lot of fans minds, including mine.
I can't see it though.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
The defenders simply don't know how to play the system at all.
We are playing with 3 flat CB's for 90 mins when what should be happening is one of them effectively becomes the CDM for the entire game. If one of your CB's doesn't do that job.....the whole system fails.
Only player I think we have who can do it and do it properly is injured (Licha).
If he doesn't fix this soon he will be gone.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
The Bin Dipper does make a valid point though. We are starting with 5 defenders and still concede goals and chances.
Genuinely think if he left out one of the CB's for another CM we'd actually be better off. Sometimes less is more as they say.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 3 minutes ago
Mu52, with your years of wisdom I am surprised that you cannot see that the issue is Ruben and his system.
We just do not have the right players for it and he is forcing it on a team that it does not fit with.
We are so easy to attack against that I honestly think we'd struggle in the championship.
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The thing is Ali, a lot of it was just going to the match.
No pundits, social media and only replays on TV.
So I just watched the game. I would single out players I thought were good or poor, but not tactics.
Virtually every team played two fullback, one centre half, two wing Half's usually on defensive,one attacking, two wingers, two inside forwards, one the schemers, one secondary striker, one centre forward.
So nearly everyone set up the same, so it was the quality of the players.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I apologise for the long post in advance.
If we’re judging today’s game in isolation, the truth is simple: poor finishing cost us. That match should’ve been out of sight inside the first 45 minutes. Do I blame the manager for that? No, you can’t pin missed sitters on him.
But the bigger picture is where the problem lies and that’s with Amorim. I don’t buy into this constant rinse-and-repeat with managers, but at the same time, we can’t ignore that United have made some awful appointments over the years. LVG had his flaws, but I liked him. Mourinho was never a Manchester United manager. Ole was never taking us to a league title. Rangnick was never long-term. My blood boils when it comes to ETH, so I am not going to state anything about this criminal. It’s been a conveyor belt of bad fits.
Now, onto Amorim. For me, he’s losing credibility fast. His arrogance is glaring, it’s his system or nothing. And the truth is, the system isn’t working. He doesn’t have the players to execute it. Both keepers are abysmal, which should make him double down on shoring up the midfield, yet he persists with leaving us exposed. We have glaring weaknesses in key positions, but instead of adapting, he stubbornly forces players into a shape that doesn’t suit them.
A great manager adapts to what he has, not just what he wishes he had. Right now, I’ve lost faith that Amorim can do that.
You look at his press conferences and demeanour on the touchline and that’s a dead man walking.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 seconds ago
I apologise for the long post in advance.
If we’re judging today’s game in isolation, the truth is simple: poor finishing cost us. That match should’ve been out of sight inside the first 45 minutes. Do I blame the manager for that? No, you can’t pin missed sitters on him.
But the bigger picture is where the problem lies and that’s with Amorim. I don’t buy into this constant rinse-and-repeat with managers, but at the same time, we can’t ignore that United have made some awful appointments over the years. LVG had his flaws, but I liked him. Mourinho was never a Manchester United manager. Ole was never taking us to a league title. Rangnick was never long-term. My blood boils when it comes to ETH, so I am not going to state anything about this criminal. It’s been a conveyor belt of bad fits.
Now, onto Amorim. For me, he’s losing credibility fast. His arrogance is glaring, it’s his system or nothing. And the truth is, the system isn’t working. He doesn’t have the players to execute it. Both keepers are abysmal, which should make him double down on shoring up the midfield, yet he persists with leaving us exposed. We have glaring weaknesses in key positions, but instead of adapting, he stubbornly forces players into a shape that doesn’t suit them.
A great manager adapts to what he has, not just what he wishes he had. Right now, I’ve lost faith that Amorim can do that.
You look at his press conferences and demeanour on the touchline and that’s a dead man walking.
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Good post.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
We totally controlled the first 45 and should have been 3 or 4 up at half time, game over.
Our defence handle handle any kind of sustained pressure, they cannot handle set pieces and the keepers cannot make basic saves.
There’s a lot going on that culminates to a total mess for 15-20 minutes of every game.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Poor finishing nearly cost us today but that's not always the reason we drop pts. Often we dont make many quality chances in a game and other times we just give the opposition too many chances as well.
Weve got more issues than just missing sitters sadly. I think there are issues everywhere. GK, defence, wingbacks, midfield and up front.
A lot needs to improve and quickly or he will be sacked at some point before turn of the year.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
United dont have good enough players playing a system that the manager cant get to work in the Premier League.
We were well matched today by Burnley at home and outplayed and defeated by Grimsby away on Wenesday. This is Uniteds level atm. If you believe Burnley will struggle this season, I suggest that United will struggle with them too, in and around the same part of this Division.
Amorim is going to have to find another way to win games with this group of players if he wants them to improve. Which I am sure he does. Otherwise he will have to leave.
Hope this helps to answer yor question OP.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I think what we're seeing going forward is a collective coming together to play as a unit, linking up well, playing attacking football, creating chances. Generally positive.
Defensively we've still got a group playing like individuals, too many changes too often means they're not building partnerships, and a lack of leadership anywhere at the back. On top of that two dodgy keepers. Sorting this is the priority.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
You have to ask yourself how many teams will Burnley score two against this season. We have good players so we’ll often be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we need it but the performances are patchy at best and playing like we did in that second half we’ll lose more than we win this season.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Robb Cunha (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
You have to ask yourself how many teams will Burnley score two against this season. We have good players so we’ll often be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we need it but the performances are patchy at best and playing like we did in that second half we’ll lose more than we win this season.
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They’ve done it 3 times in a week tbf.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Robb Cunha (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
You have to ask yourself how many teams will Burnley score two against this season. We have good players so we’ll often be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we need it but the performances are patchy at best and playing like we did in that second half we’ll lose more than we win this season.
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They’ve done it 3 times in a week tbf.
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Lmao. If we scored these amount of goals, we would be back and Antony would be a world star. Calm down a tad.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
I think like many, there was an initial buzz around Amorim when he arrived, and when he first arrived he was saying the right things in the media and we were putting in some good performances, noticeably against the bigger teams.
The worrying thing is then things seemed to get worse, when you would think that the squad would be getting more used to his ideas etc.
I can understand his somewhat stubborn approach, he probably thinks it is strong-minded to show that he wants to stick to his principles etc. But all great managers are adaptable, and maybe he needs to learn that quickly. Tbf, I think I have read recently that he says he can be adaptable, but he needs to show that. I appreciate his preferred system is 3-4-3, and maybe he feels he wants the players to be at ease with this before adapting to other ways of playing.
But in doing this, we see too often players not playing in their natural positions. This is of course all new to Amorim, he is a young manager and he himself is learning also. I just hope he realises it's not weak to tweak things, and don't over-complicate by not playing players in their best positions.
Not sure how bad the Cunha injury is, but that may allow Bruno to play as a 10, allow Mainoo in midfield, and hopefully we start Sesko.
But you can't help but feel right now that the job is way bigger than what he realised. I'm trying my best not just to react from game to game, but the goodwill from Arsenal has been somewhat lost in defeat to Grimsby and an uncomfortable win against Burnley.
City up next, which may focus the minds and suit us, but I believe the players are still with Amorim. Whether he has the ability and the awareness to change and learn, the next few games will tell us a lot. Some have lost faith, I am now very much 'half and half', so will just wait and see.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 11 hours, 18 minutes ago
I think what we're seeing going forward is a collective coming together to play as a unit, linking up well, playing attacking football, creating chances. Generally positive.
Defensively we've still got a group playing like individuals, too many changes too often means they're not building partnerships, and a lack of leadership anywhere at the back. On top of that two dodgy keepers. Sorting this is the priority.
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I agree 👍
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posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Its a bit of everything.
Bad finishing / poor composure in front of goal
Awful GK
Formation makes us vulnerable in midfield
Concentration levels at back are often poor
Whatever it is he's trying to get them to do......its still a million miles off being right.
Looking at our upcoming fixtures I actually think he's going to do well to still be in a job come the 2nd Int break.
I feel for him as he is trying to change so much but I genuinely dont think this group of players are right for his system.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Bad system mostly. When you have one of the most expensive squads in the league, even with a poor goalkeeper you should still win most games as you should be on top of most teams.
The fact that you play with five defenders and still concede loads of goals shows the system doesn't work.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Mu52, with your years of wisdom I am surprised that you cannot see that the issue is Ruben and his system.
We just do not have the right players for it and he is forcing it on a team that it does not fit with.
We are so easy to attack against that I honestly think we'd struggle in the championship.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
That being said. His next run of fixtures are probably the worst he could have hoped for.
If he comes out the other end having done well, I think he may change a lot of fans minds, including mine.
I can't see it though.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
The defenders simply don't know how to play the system at all.
We are playing with 3 flat CB's for 90 mins when what should be happening is one of them effectively becomes the CDM for the entire game. If one of your CB's doesn't do that job.....the whole system fails.
Only player I think we have who can do it and do it properly is injured (Licha).
If he doesn't fix this soon he will be gone.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
The Bin Dipper does make a valid point though. We are starting with 5 defenders and still concede goals and chances.
Genuinely think if he left out one of the CB's for another CM we'd actually be better off. Sometimes less is more as they say.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 3 minutes ago
Mu52, with your years of wisdom I am surprised that you cannot see that the issue is Ruben and his system.
We just do not have the right players for it and he is forcing it on a team that it does not fit with.
We are so easy to attack against that I honestly think we'd struggle in the championship.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The thing is Ali, a lot of it was just going to the match.
No pundits, social media and only replays on TV.
So I just watched the game. I would single out players I thought were good or poor, but not tactics.
Virtually every team played two fullback, one centre half, two wing Half's usually on defensive,one attacking, two wingers, two inside forwards, one the schemers, one secondary striker, one centre forward.
So nearly everyone set up the same, so it was the quality of the players.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I apologise for the long post in advance.
If we’re judging today’s game in isolation, the truth is simple: poor finishing cost us. That match should’ve been out of sight inside the first 45 minutes. Do I blame the manager for that? No, you can’t pin missed sitters on him.
But the bigger picture is where the problem lies and that’s with Amorim. I don’t buy into this constant rinse-and-repeat with managers, but at the same time, we can’t ignore that United have made some awful appointments over the years. LVG had his flaws, but I liked him. Mourinho was never a Manchester United manager. Ole was never taking us to a league title. Rangnick was never long-term. My blood boils when it comes to ETH, so I am not going to state anything about this criminal. It’s been a conveyor belt of bad fits.
Now, onto Amorim. For me, he’s losing credibility fast. His arrogance is glaring, it’s his system or nothing. And the truth is, the system isn’t working. He doesn’t have the players to execute it. Both keepers are abysmal, which should make him double down on shoring up the midfield, yet he persists with leaving us exposed. We have glaring weaknesses in key positions, but instead of adapting, he stubbornly forces players into a shape that doesn’t suit them.
A great manager adapts to what he has, not just what he wishes he had. Right now, I’ve lost faith that Amorim can do that.
You look at his press conferences and demeanour on the touchline and that’s a dead man walking.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 seconds ago
I apologise for the long post in advance.
If we’re judging today’s game in isolation, the truth is simple: poor finishing cost us. That match should’ve been out of sight inside the first 45 minutes. Do I blame the manager for that? No, you can’t pin missed sitters on him.
But the bigger picture is where the problem lies and that’s with Amorim. I don’t buy into this constant rinse-and-repeat with managers, but at the same time, we can’t ignore that United have made some awful appointments over the years. LVG had his flaws, but I liked him. Mourinho was never a Manchester United manager. Ole was never taking us to a league title. Rangnick was never long-term. My blood boils when it comes to ETH, so I am not going to state anything about this criminal. It’s been a conveyor belt of bad fits.
Now, onto Amorim. For me, he’s losing credibility fast. His arrogance is glaring, it’s his system or nothing. And the truth is, the system isn’t working. He doesn’t have the players to execute it. Both keepers are abysmal, which should make him double down on shoring up the midfield, yet he persists with leaving us exposed. We have glaring weaknesses in key positions, but instead of adapting, he stubbornly forces players into a shape that doesn’t suit them.
A great manager adapts to what he has, not just what he wishes he had. Right now, I’ve lost faith that Amorim can do that.
You look at his press conferences and demeanour on the touchline and that’s a dead man walking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good post.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
We totally controlled the first 45 and should have been 3 or 4 up at half time, game over.
Our defence handle handle any kind of sustained pressure, they cannot handle set pieces and the keepers cannot make basic saves.
There’s a lot going on that culminates to a total mess for 15-20 minutes of every game.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Poor finishing nearly cost us today but that's not always the reason we drop pts. Often we dont make many quality chances in a game and other times we just give the opposition too many chances as well.
Weve got more issues than just missing sitters sadly. I think there are issues everywhere. GK, defence, wingbacks, midfield and up front.
A lot needs to improve and quickly or he will be sacked at some point before turn of the year.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
United dont have good enough players playing a system that the manager cant get to work in the Premier League.
We were well matched today by Burnley at home and outplayed and defeated by Grimsby away on Wenesday. This is Uniteds level atm. If you believe Burnley will struggle this season, I suggest that United will struggle with them too, in and around the same part of this Division.
Amorim is going to have to find another way to win games with this group of players if he wants them to improve. Which I am sure he does. Otherwise he will have to leave.
Hope this helps to answer yor question OP.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I think what we're seeing going forward is a collective coming together to play as a unit, linking up well, playing attacking football, creating chances. Generally positive.
Defensively we've still got a group playing like individuals, too many changes too often means they're not building partnerships, and a lack of leadership anywhere at the back. On top of that two dodgy keepers. Sorting this is the priority.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
You have to ask yourself how many teams will Burnley score two against this season. We have good players so we’ll often be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we need it but the performances are patchy at best and playing like we did in that second half we’ll lose more than we win this season.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Robb Cunha (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
You have to ask yourself how many teams will Burnley score two against this season. We have good players so we’ll often be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we need it but the performances are patchy at best and playing like we did in that second half we’ll lose more than we win this season.
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They’ve done it 3 times in a week tbf.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Robb Cunha (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
You have to ask yourself how many teams will Burnley score two against this season. We have good players so we’ll often be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we need it but the performances are patchy at best and playing like we did in that second half we’ll lose more than we win this season.
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They’ve done it 3 times in a week tbf.
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Lmao. If we scored these amount of goals, we would be back and Antony would be a world star. Calm down a tad.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
I think like many, there was an initial buzz around Amorim when he arrived, and when he first arrived he was saying the right things in the media and we were putting in some good performances, noticeably against the bigger teams.
The worrying thing is then things seemed to get worse, when you would think that the squad would be getting more used to his ideas etc.
I can understand his somewhat stubborn approach, he probably thinks it is strong-minded to show that he wants to stick to his principles etc. But all great managers are adaptable, and maybe he needs to learn that quickly. Tbf, I think I have read recently that he says he can be adaptable, but he needs to show that. I appreciate his preferred system is 3-4-3, and maybe he feels he wants the players to be at ease with this before adapting to other ways of playing.
But in doing this, we see too often players not playing in their natural positions. This is of course all new to Amorim, he is a young manager and he himself is learning also. I just hope he realises it's not weak to tweak things, and don't over-complicate by not playing players in their best positions.
Not sure how bad the Cunha injury is, but that may allow Bruno to play as a 10, allow Mainoo in midfield, and hopefully we start Sesko.
But you can't help but feel right now that the job is way bigger than what he realised. I'm trying my best not just to react from game to game, but the goodwill from Arsenal has been somewhat lost in defeat to Grimsby and an uncomfortable win against Burnley.
City up next, which may focus the minds and suit us, but I believe the players are still with Amorim. Whether he has the ability and the awareness to change and learn, the next few games will tell us a lot. Some have lost faith, I am now very much 'half and half', so will just wait and see.
posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 11 hours, 18 minutes ago
I think what we're seeing going forward is a collective coming together to play as a unit, linking up well, playing attacking football, creating chances. Generally positive.
Defensively we've still got a group playing like individuals, too many changes too often means they're not building partnerships, and a lack of leadership anywhere at the back. On top of that two dodgy keepers. Sorting this is the priority.
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I agree 👍
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