Burnley- Saturday...just got back from Coventry...leave me alone!
Nah, shame we didn’t push for the second goal tonight/ last night...yet to get my kip....thank Christ I booked today off!
Zaha looked the more likely to score! As well as when Moxey came on.
Unfortunately, we did let them back in the game towards the end & could have seen this ending up like another Leeds outcome (where we do all the hard work, then throw it away).
I agree, with your post, but I guess we can’t Win 4-0 every game.
I suppose what’s maddening for me is, we seem to drop performances against the teams below us – the ones we should be gaining points with a little ease.
As for The PlayOffs – I suppose if it’s mathematically to go down, I suppose it’s the same when it’s possible to go up.
P.s. RelegationIsCoventry’sOnlyHope
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Every team can complain about points they dropped. We're not Man Utd so not expected to win every game and will expect these sort of results. I don't think we will get in the play-offs because there are so many teams around there in better positions than us. I think if we can finish in the top half of the table this season would have been a success.
I think you're being a bit harsh with those games sgbilko. If we were trying to win the league then fair enough but considering that this season we're trying to avoid a relegation battle some of those aren't bad results. I agree with PH that dropping points against teams below is frustrating e.g. Doncaster away, scraping a win against Bristol City at home when they were on a bad run
To be honest I want us to avoid play offs for at least another year yet.
We don't have the depth or character in our squad to compete and the last thing we want is more drama. I think a lot of teams suffer a "hangover" when they got knocked out the playoffs, so to me a consolidating what has been a terrific achievement by comfortably avoiding relegation should be celebrated. Will be interesting to see what happens off season wise and what intent CPFC2010 and Dougie have!
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ps. you forgot to mention brighton at home
I understand what your saying but what you expect from a game and what you can achieve are two different things, it is no excuse for setting yourself up for a result as we have done so often, get the desired scoreline then sit back in defence and lose that advantage, which we have done so many times the season, when a little more adventurous and enterprising endeavours may have produced results.
It's an old coaches additive "the best form of defence is attack" and for the most that is being applied to us, but no-one sees it, what it means is, if you play the game in your opponents own half they can't score.
Thats why we are finding it hard to score, because the game is being played in our own half of the field, and that is always a dangerous tactic.
As far a West Ham away is concerned, we were the by far the better side, and they came at us in the second period because we sat back and gave them licence too by not pressing far enough up the field of play, it's madness to start to press your opponents 10mts outside your own penalty box, you should be doing that as soon as your own attack breaksdown.
FFS Murray
To be honest I want us to avoid play offs for at least another year yet.
We don't have the depth or character in our squad to compete and the last thing we want is more drama. I think a lot of teams suffer a "hangover" when they got knocked out the playoffs, so to me a consolidating what has been a terrific achievement by comfortably avoiding relegation should be celebrated. Will be interesting to see what happens off season wise and what intent CPFC2010 and Dougie have!
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I have to agree with that, we are nowhere near ready to complete in the Premier League next season, getting battered weekin weekout would totally destroy the confidence of the younger players, maybe the season after or the 2014/15 season.
right, enjoyed the day-off
lets sort you lot out
MonThePalace (U9978) - Every team can complain about points they dropped. TRUE We're not Man Utd DON'T WANT TO BE THX! so not expected to win every game and will expect these sort of results. IT'S WHAT MAKES THE CHAMPIONSHIP INTERESTING! I don't think we will get in the play-offs because there are so many teams around there in better positions than us. DUNNO HAPPENED IN 2004 I think if we can finish in the top half of the table this season would have been a success. With Smashing smallwall, albion & m@nure, plus unbeaten against the Hamsters’ I believe this season has already been a success! Not to mention the likes of Zaha playing his part.
FFS Murray (U13197)
To be honest I want us to avoid play offs for at least another year yet. TO BE FAIR; DON'T WE SAY THIS MOST YEARS?
We don't have the depth or character in our squad to compete DON’T KNOW? PERHAPS THE CARLING CUP MIGHT MOTIVATE SOME? and the last thing we want is more drama. ONE OF THE SPECIAL THINGS THAT'S WHAT BEING A PALACE SUPPORTER IS ALL ABOUT I think a lot of teams suffer a "hangover" when they got knocked out the playoffs, READING SEEM TO BE DOING WELL & CARDIFF SEEMS TO BE ALWAYS UP THERE. so to me a consolidating what has been a terrific achievement by comfortably avoiding relegation should be celebrated. TRUE. Will be interesting to see what happens off season wise and what intent CPFC2010 and Dougie have! PALACE BEER FEST :D
sgbilko (U1175) we are nowhere near ready to complete in the Premier League next season, WHEN ARE WE? getting battered weekin weekout would totally destroy the confidence of the younger players, DID IT LAST TIME :S maybe the season after or the 2014/15 season. DISAGREE! Ernest G. Bilko! I ALWAYS BELIEVE WE SHOULD GET BACK UP TO THE PROMISE LAND ASAP! ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WANT TO KEEP THE CROP OF PLAYERS (CLYNE)! EACH SEASON, IS GOING TO GET TOUGHER, SO, WE’VE GOT TO TAKE OUR OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THEY COME! PLUS, IF WE NEVER ACHIEVED THIS WE’D NEVER HAVE HAD THE LIKES OF LOMBARDO OR SPERONI. NOR KEPT AJ FOR THE TIME WE DID, OR SOLD HIM FOR THE AMOUNT WE ACCOMPLISH. PH
"paulholden84" In answer to your, DID IT LAST TIME? "YES it certainly did" even with AJ we finished a sad 15th or 16th that season we were way off the mark, even though we were pre-season favorites to bounce straight back up.
Everyone has dreams for their team, on your day off did you happen to have your head up in the clowds, because your dreams seem a little wayward.
I must say I do not understand this "we're not ready for the Premiership" talk, look we're Crystal Palace- we are never going to be ready!
But just one season in the top flight would add millions to the value of our players, would fill the club's coffers, and mean that we would get parachute payments upon relegation- which would be very handy for building a strong side.
Certainly worth a season getting battered every week- and remember the bottom six teams in the Premierships are usually on a par with the top six in the Championship- so there is every chance of escaping the drop.
We should be pushing for that 6th position. I agree that whatever happens, this has been a successful season- but if we are capable of making the play-offs ( and that is a BIG "if" ) then that is where we should be finishing.
That means beating the likes of Burnley away. They are where we are in the table, but their form of late has been poor. 3 points please Palace.
sgbilko (U1175) even with AJ we finished a sad 15th or 16th that season we were way off the mark, even though we were pre-season favorites to bounce straight back up.
which Season are you regarding? :S
I thought we were talking about the 04/05 Season; where we held Our Own in some games, & just got unlucky towards the end.
By the way, there’s nothing wrong with having a little ambition for the Club.
I think all Palace Fans would have taken mid-table this season after the last 2-years.
However, IF there’s a chance of going the extra mile in the remaining games, than why not take it? No-one thought we’d have a decent Cup run until we had an opportunity.
Agree, with Cayman Islands Eagle (U6516) post! 100%
I think it’ll be the Perfect Season, IF We went Up & qphaha went down!
Well if we're talking about perfect seasons then how about the weed and sc*m of South London get relegated too. I feel bad for Portsmouth fans so how about one of them go into administration while we're at it? Then to round off a perfect season how about charlton pathetic slip into a play-off place and don't get promoted!
Here's to wishful thinking!
I agree that if we could make the play-offs and get promoted then let's go for it! I think we have better owners than last time we made it to the PL so hopefully they won't throw the money away and use it to improve CPFC in the long term. Look at Blackpool for example. That would be the ideal situation (except for the relegation part obviously)
But on the other hand look at the teams that have gone up when they weren't ready and where are they now? Derby & Hull spring to mind but there must be more.
It seems like we all agree that this season has been a success and would love to even get in the play-offs. But where do you realistically think we will finish this year based on current form, etc? I would say about 12th-14th
I've been saying it for a few years now:- There is no reason why a team from the Championship should not make it in the Premier League, look at Newcastle, Swansea, WBA, and Norwich, all been promoted in the last two years, all doing very nicely.
You English need to stop whinging about the standard of football in the Championship, it is better than most Premier Leagues in Europe. All bar the elite clubs would struggle in the Championship, proof of that was how well Birmingham did in the Europa League, only losing out on goal difference, yet Birmingham are hardly setting the Championship alight even with all their big name players.
The Championship is getting closer to the Premier league every year, here in Holland there is not one side would fair well over the season in the Championship not even Ajax, or PSV, would do well on a week too week basis, ok on a good day they would win against anyone but not on a weekly basis.
PSV were beaten 2-6 at home last weekend, and Ajax were thumped 6-0 a few weeks back, so you see how the mighty fall, neither of those two clubs would even finish a playoff place in the Championship.
As a former player and coach it pains me to say that about my own league which like a lot of other leagues are in free fall.
MonThePalace (U9978) how about the weed and sc*m of South London get relegated too. how about one of them go into administration while we're at it? Then to round off a perfect season how about charlton pathetic slip into a play-off place and don't get promoted!
reply....a bit tongue-in-cheek??? Short-term wise! Yeah that would be the Perfect Season, but long term, what’s a Club without they’re local rivals around them? Plus, it gives both Clubs that extra push given they want to finish above each other.
""But where do you realistically think we will finish this year based on current form, etc?"" Well, only 7pts off the P/Os. :D but, just a shame we haven't had a consistent striker to put the ball in the onion bag. Yet at the same time, I suppose it’s good to see options. I mean, one week Ambrose gets a goal; the next Zaha makes his mark. So, when we are against whoever we’re playing, that team isn’t marking Our main man, as with the variety, we don’t really have a individually best player.
Bottom line; it’s in Our own hands. & at this stage no game is straightforward given there’s Clubs either want to get Promoted themselves, or like us the last 2-seasons, want to survive relegation.
sgbilko (U1175) I've been saying it for a few years now:- There is no reason why a team from the Championship should not make it in the Premier League, look at Newcastle, Swansea, WBA, and Norwich, all been promoted in the last two years, all doing very nicely.
Newcastle? Championship? No disrespect, but Really?! Chris Hughton did do a fantastic job in taking them back up, and never deserved (even tho we all knew it was coming- like Warnock & qphaha) the sack. BUT, even Stevie Wonder could have gotten Newcastle Promoted!
""Birmingham are hardly setting the Championship alight even with all their big name players.""
Other than, Zigic...at a stretch ( no pun intended what big name players??
""Ajax, or PSV"" It’s difficult to judge how a foreign Club would fair in this league ( well I know we have the Welsh), given it could go either way, they could be at the top given Champions players will want to be attracted to the big name, or be like Cardiff, flirt with the playoffs than ‘Bottle It’.
""The Championship is getting closer to the Premier league every year"" Well the ticket prices definitely are!!!
""You English need to stop whinging about the standard of football in the Championship"" When have we? :S
paulholden84
Other than, Zigic...at a stretch ( no pun intended what big name players.
Try! Myhill, Caldwell, Spector, King, Carr, Cauldwell, N'Daw, Gomis, Huseklepp, Townsend, Ibanez, Davies, Elliott, Burke.
for size, they have 11 full internationals in their squad, 12 if you include Foster who is on lone to WBA, they also have a number of U21 internationals.
So I repeat my statement "Birmingham are hardly setting the Championship alight even with all their big name players".
Perhaps you can't judge Foriegn clubs, but I can, I'm 62 now and all my working life until last year I've played and worked in football here in Europe thats 45 years, and I'm surrounded(less than an Hours drive) by clubs that are in the higher positions in their respective leagues, so I get to see a lot of football every week including the Championship which in my opinion is of a very high standard, so your lucky, you should come over here a watch a game or two you would very quickly have a different opinion.
Haha I was speaking with a friend and they mentioned what if charlton didn't get promoted, or millwall got relegated, etc and it went on like that so when you mentioned the perfect season I was just repeating it. I spoke with a charlton fan when we were in administration and he hoped we would go out of business and I was surprised that any football fan would want that, even to your rivals. But then again I hate millwall more than anything!
I agree with sgbilko that the standard in the Championship is high and it's shown by the players we get eg. Boyd is the SPL's all time top goalscorer and comes to the Championship, ok he doesn't do anything but he's left Rangers for the Championship. That's why when they say about introducing Rangers (if there is a Rangers) or Celtic to English football they should start in the Premiership seems stupid to me.
MonThePalace I agree I am pretty sure that both Rangers & Celtic would struggle in the Championship, they would not cope with the day to day rigours of the Championship, they are no better than any of the top 5 clubs here in Holland and none of those would finish in a playoff position, and thats being painfully honest and from a Dutchman.
You only needed to look at the Dutch squad that played England only 3 of those play in their own league, Ron Vlaar Feyernoord, Erik Pieters PSV, and Luuk De Jong FC Twente, thats a sad state of affairs, how many from the England squad play abroad? none.
So I repeat my statement "Birmingham are hardly setting the Championship alight"
But don’t you think, if they weren’t concentrating on the Europa League, they would have been in a better position, than they currently are? Plus, they could mathematically finish in the autos.
As for the players you mentioned...Try!
Carr - won’t he be retiring soon?
Why isn’t Myhill playing at his contracted Club? wBa.
Caldwell was released when his contract expired at both Burnley & Wigan.
Spector was released by West Ham
N'Daw is on loan & hasn’t played that many games.
Gomis was a free agent
Loanie Huseklepp hasn’t scored that many goals.
Townsend- too early to tell. But has been loaned out abit.
Ibanez- what I said about Carr.
Elliott did well for Burnley.
Burke sould be in the Prem, but for whatever reason he’s not!
King- thug!
Davis- here’s a link... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7015660.stm
How many of these Big name players would get into a Big named Club?
By the way, I doubt many Championship players would turndown Parkhead or Ibrox, if they were in the Championship. But I agree, that either Club shouldn't start in the Premiership. League 2 maybe.
Nice attept to justify your comment but they are all players of International standard, and most are known names in the game, can't say that about most Palace players.
Birmingham have a squad full of Internationally experienced seasoned players, and I do not see Man U, Man C, Arsenal, Chelsea, or any other club playing in Europe their league form has not dipped, infact most that are still in Euro competitions are up there in their respective leagues fighting for a place next season.
Birmingham have dropped 9 pts from 18 since the beginning of Feb, hardly promotion form, by the way Palace have picked up 10 from 18 in the same period.
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posted on 7/3/12
Burnley- Saturday...just got back from Coventry...leave me alone!
Nah, shame we didn’t push for the second goal tonight/ last night...yet to get my kip....thank Christ I booked today off!
Zaha looked the more likely to score! As well as when Moxey came on.
Unfortunately, we did let them back in the game towards the end & could have seen this ending up like another Leeds outcome (where we do all the hard work, then throw it away).
I agree, with your post, but I guess we can’t Win 4-0 every game.
I suppose what’s maddening for me is, we seem to drop performances against the teams below us – the ones we should be gaining points with a little ease.
As for The PlayOffs – I suppose if it’s mathematically to go down, I suppose it’s the same when it’s possible to go up.
P.s. RelegationIsCoventry’sOnlyHope
posted on 7/3/12
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posted on 7/3/12
Every team can complain about points they dropped. We're not Man Utd so not expected to win every game and will expect these sort of results. I don't think we will get in the play-offs because there are so many teams around there in better positions than us. I think if we can finish in the top half of the table this season would have been a success.
I think you're being a bit harsh with those games sgbilko. If we were trying to win the league then fair enough but considering that this season we're trying to avoid a relegation battle some of those aren't bad results. I agree with PH that dropping points against teams below is frustrating e.g. Doncaster away, scraping a win against Bristol City at home when they were on a bad run
posted on 7/3/12
To be honest I want us to avoid play offs for at least another year yet.
We don't have the depth or character in our squad to compete and the last thing we want is more drama. I think a lot of teams suffer a "hangover" when they got knocked out the playoffs, so to me a consolidating what has been a terrific achievement by comfortably avoiding relegation should be celebrated. Will be interesting to see what happens off season wise and what intent CPFC2010 and Dougie have!
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posted on 7/3/12
ps. you forgot to mention brighton at home
posted on 7/3/12
I understand what your saying but what you expect from a game and what you can achieve are two different things, it is no excuse for setting yourself up for a result as we have done so often, get the desired scoreline then sit back in defence and lose that advantage, which we have done so many times the season, when a little more adventurous and enterprising endeavours may have produced results.
It's an old coaches additive "the best form of defence is attack" and for the most that is being applied to us, but no-one sees it, what it means is, if you play the game in your opponents own half they can't score.
Thats why we are finding it hard to score, because the game is being played in our own half of the field, and that is always a dangerous tactic.
As far a West Ham away is concerned, we were the by far the better side, and they came at us in the second period because we sat back and gave them licence too by not pressing far enough up the field of play, it's madness to start to press your opponents 10mts outside your own penalty box, you should be doing that as soon as your own attack breaksdown.
posted on 7/3/12
FFS Murray
To be honest I want us to avoid play offs for at least another year yet.
We don't have the depth or character in our squad to compete and the last thing we want is more drama. I think a lot of teams suffer a "hangover" when they got knocked out the playoffs, so to me a consolidating what has been a terrific achievement by comfortably avoiding relegation should be celebrated. Will be interesting to see what happens off season wise and what intent CPFC2010 and Dougie have!
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I have to agree with that, we are nowhere near ready to complete in the Premier League next season, getting battered weekin weekout would totally destroy the confidence of the younger players, maybe the season after or the 2014/15 season.
posted on 8/3/12
right, enjoyed the day-off
lets sort you lot out
MonThePalace (U9978) - Every team can complain about points they dropped. TRUE We're not Man Utd DON'T WANT TO BE THX! so not expected to win every game and will expect these sort of results. IT'S WHAT MAKES THE CHAMPIONSHIP INTERESTING! I don't think we will get in the play-offs because there are so many teams around there in better positions than us. DUNNO HAPPENED IN 2004 I think if we can finish in the top half of the table this season would have been a success. With Smashing smallwall, albion & m@nure, plus unbeaten against the Hamsters’ I believe this season has already been a success! Not to mention the likes of Zaha playing his part.
FFS Murray (U13197)
To be honest I want us to avoid play offs for at least another year yet. TO BE FAIR; DON'T WE SAY THIS MOST YEARS?
We don't have the depth or character in our squad to compete DON’T KNOW? PERHAPS THE CARLING CUP MIGHT MOTIVATE SOME? and the last thing we want is more drama. ONE OF THE SPECIAL THINGS THAT'S WHAT BEING A PALACE SUPPORTER IS ALL ABOUT I think a lot of teams suffer a "hangover" when they got knocked out the playoffs, READING SEEM TO BE DOING WELL & CARDIFF SEEMS TO BE ALWAYS UP THERE. so to me a consolidating what has been a terrific achievement by comfortably avoiding relegation should be celebrated. TRUE. Will be interesting to see what happens off season wise and what intent CPFC2010 and Dougie have! PALACE BEER FEST :D
sgbilko (U1175) we are nowhere near ready to complete in the Premier League next season, WHEN ARE WE? getting battered weekin weekout would totally destroy the confidence of the younger players, DID IT LAST TIME :S maybe the season after or the 2014/15 season. DISAGREE! Ernest G. Bilko! I ALWAYS BELIEVE WE SHOULD GET BACK UP TO THE PROMISE LAND ASAP! ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WANT TO KEEP THE CROP OF PLAYERS (CLYNE)! EACH SEASON, IS GOING TO GET TOUGHER, SO, WE’VE GOT TO TAKE OUR OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THEY COME! PLUS, IF WE NEVER ACHIEVED THIS WE’D NEVER HAVE HAD THE LIKES OF LOMBARDO OR SPERONI. NOR KEPT AJ FOR THE TIME WE DID, OR SOLD HIM FOR THE AMOUNT WE ACCOMPLISH. PH
posted on 8/3/12
"paulholden84" In answer to your, DID IT LAST TIME? "YES it certainly did" even with AJ we finished a sad 15th or 16th that season we were way off the mark, even though we were pre-season favorites to bounce straight back up.
Everyone has dreams for their team, on your day off did you happen to have your head up in the clowds, because your dreams seem a little wayward.
posted on 8/3/12
I must say I do not understand this "we're not ready for the Premiership" talk, look we're Crystal Palace- we are never going to be ready!
But just one season in the top flight would add millions to the value of our players, would fill the club's coffers, and mean that we would get parachute payments upon relegation- which would be very handy for building a strong side.
Certainly worth a season getting battered every week- and remember the bottom six teams in the Premierships are usually on a par with the top six in the Championship- so there is every chance of escaping the drop.
We should be pushing for that 6th position. I agree that whatever happens, this has been a successful season- but if we are capable of making the play-offs ( and that is a BIG "if" ) then that is where we should be finishing.
That means beating the likes of Burnley away. They are where we are in the table, but their form of late has been poor. 3 points please Palace.
posted on 8/3/12
sgbilko (U1175) even with AJ we finished a sad 15th or 16th that season we were way off the mark, even though we were pre-season favorites to bounce straight back up.
which Season are you regarding? :S
I thought we were talking about the 04/05 Season; where we held Our Own in some games, & just got unlucky towards the end.
By the way, there’s nothing wrong with having a little ambition for the Club.
I think all Palace Fans would have taken mid-table this season after the last 2-years.
However, IF there’s a chance of going the extra mile in the remaining games, than why not take it? No-one thought we’d have a decent Cup run until we had an opportunity.
Agree, with Cayman Islands Eagle (U6516) post! 100%
I think it’ll be the Perfect Season, IF We went Up & qphaha went down!
posted on 8/3/12
Well if we're talking about perfect seasons then how about the weed and sc*m of South London get relegated too. I feel bad for Portsmouth fans so how about one of them go into administration while we're at it? Then to round off a perfect season how about charlton pathetic slip into a play-off place and don't get promoted!
Here's to wishful thinking!
I agree that if we could make the play-offs and get promoted then let's go for it! I think we have better owners than last time we made it to the PL so hopefully they won't throw the money away and use it to improve CPFC in the long term. Look at Blackpool for example. That would be the ideal situation (except for the relegation part obviously)
But on the other hand look at the teams that have gone up when they weren't ready and where are they now? Derby & Hull spring to mind but there must be more.
It seems like we all agree that this season has been a success and would love to even get in the play-offs. But where do you realistically think we will finish this year based on current form, etc? I would say about 12th-14th
posted on 8/3/12
I've been saying it for a few years now:- There is no reason why a team from the Championship should not make it in the Premier League, look at Newcastle, Swansea, WBA, and Norwich, all been promoted in the last two years, all doing very nicely.
You English need to stop whinging about the standard of football in the Championship, it is better than most Premier Leagues in Europe. All bar the elite clubs would struggle in the Championship, proof of that was how well Birmingham did in the Europa League, only losing out on goal difference, yet Birmingham are hardly setting the Championship alight even with all their big name players.
The Championship is getting closer to the Premier league every year, here in Holland there is not one side would fair well over the season in the Championship not even Ajax, or PSV, would do well on a week too week basis, ok on a good day they would win against anyone but not on a weekly basis.
PSV were beaten 2-6 at home last weekend, and Ajax were thumped 6-0 a few weeks back, so you see how the mighty fall, neither of those two clubs would even finish a playoff place in the Championship.
As a former player and coach it pains me to say that about my own league which like a lot of other leagues are in free fall.
posted on 9/3/12
MonThePalace (U9978) how about the weed and sc*m of South London get relegated too. how about one of them go into administration while we're at it? Then to round off a perfect season how about charlton pathetic slip into a play-off place and don't get promoted!
reply....a bit tongue-in-cheek??? Short-term wise! Yeah that would be the Perfect Season, but long term, what’s a Club without they’re local rivals around them? Plus, it gives both Clubs that extra push given they want to finish above each other.
""But where do you realistically think we will finish this year based on current form, etc?"" Well, only 7pts off the P/Os. :D but, just a shame we haven't had a consistent striker to put the ball in the onion bag. Yet at the same time, I suppose it’s good to see options. I mean, one week Ambrose gets a goal; the next Zaha makes his mark. So, when we are against whoever we’re playing, that team isn’t marking Our main man, as with the variety, we don’t really have a individually best player.
Bottom line; it’s in Our own hands. & at this stage no game is straightforward given there’s Clubs either want to get Promoted themselves, or like us the last 2-seasons, want to survive relegation.
posted on 9/3/12
sgbilko (U1175) I've been saying it for a few years now:- There is no reason why a team from the Championship should not make it in the Premier League, look at Newcastle, Swansea, WBA, and Norwich, all been promoted in the last two years, all doing very nicely.
Newcastle? Championship? No disrespect, but Really?! Chris Hughton did do a fantastic job in taking them back up, and never deserved (even tho we all knew it was coming- like Warnock & qphaha) the sack. BUT, even Stevie Wonder could have gotten Newcastle Promoted!
""Birmingham are hardly setting the Championship alight even with all their big name players.""
Other than, Zigic...at a stretch ( no pun intended what big name players??
""Ajax, or PSV"" It’s difficult to judge how a foreign Club would fair in this league ( well I know we have the Welsh), given it could go either way, they could be at the top given Champions players will want to be attracted to the big name, or be like Cardiff, flirt with the playoffs than ‘Bottle It’.
""The Championship is getting closer to the Premier league every year"" Well the ticket prices definitely are!!!
""You English need to stop whinging about the standard of football in the Championship"" When have we? :S
posted on 9/3/12
paulholden84
Other than, Zigic...at a stretch ( no pun intended what big name players.
Try! Myhill, Caldwell, Spector, King, Carr, Cauldwell, N'Daw, Gomis, Huseklepp, Townsend, Ibanez, Davies, Elliott, Burke.
for size, they have 11 full internationals in their squad, 12 if you include Foster who is on lone to WBA, they also have a number of U21 internationals.
So I repeat my statement "Birmingham are hardly setting the Championship alight even with all their big name players".
Perhaps you can't judge Foriegn clubs, but I can, I'm 62 now and all my working life until last year I've played and worked in football here in Europe thats 45 years, and I'm surrounded(less than an Hours drive) by clubs that are in the higher positions in their respective leagues, so I get to see a lot of football every week including the Championship which in my opinion is of a very high standard, so your lucky, you should come over here a watch a game or two you would very quickly have a different opinion.
posted on 9/3/12
Haha I was speaking with a friend and they mentioned what if charlton didn't get promoted, or millwall got relegated, etc and it went on like that so when you mentioned the perfect season I was just repeating it. I spoke with a charlton fan when we were in administration and he hoped we would go out of business and I was surprised that any football fan would want that, even to your rivals. But then again I hate millwall more than anything!
I agree with sgbilko that the standard in the Championship is high and it's shown by the players we get eg. Boyd is the SPL's all time top goalscorer and comes to the Championship, ok he doesn't do anything but he's left Rangers for the Championship. That's why when they say about introducing Rangers (if there is a Rangers) or Celtic to English football they should start in the Premiership seems stupid to me.
posted on 9/3/12
MonThePalace I agree I am pretty sure that both Rangers & Celtic would struggle in the Championship, they would not cope with the day to day rigours of the Championship, they are no better than any of the top 5 clubs here in Holland and none of those would finish in a playoff position, and thats being painfully honest and from a Dutchman.
You only needed to look at the Dutch squad that played England only 3 of those play in their own league, Ron Vlaar Feyernoord, Erik Pieters PSV, and Luuk De Jong FC Twente, thats a sad state of affairs, how many from the England squad play abroad? none.
posted on 9/3/12
So I repeat my statement "Birmingham are hardly setting the Championship alight"
But don’t you think, if they weren’t concentrating on the Europa League, they would have been in a better position, than they currently are? Plus, they could mathematically finish in the autos.
As for the players you mentioned...Try!
Carr - won’t he be retiring soon?
Why isn’t Myhill playing at his contracted Club? wBa.
Caldwell was released when his contract expired at both Burnley & Wigan.
Spector was released by West Ham
N'Daw is on loan & hasn’t played that many games.
Gomis was a free agent
Loanie Huseklepp hasn’t scored that many goals.
Townsend- too early to tell. But has been loaned out abit.
Ibanez- what I said about Carr.
Elliott did well for Burnley.
Burke sould be in the Prem, but for whatever reason he’s not!
King- thug!
Davis- here’s a link... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7015660.stm
How many of these Big name players would get into a Big named Club?
By the way, I doubt many Championship players would turndown Parkhead or Ibrox, if they were in the Championship. But I agree, that either Club shouldn't start in the Premiership. League 2 maybe.
posted on 9/3/12
Nice attept to justify your comment but they are all players of International standard, and most are known names in the game, can't say that about most Palace players.
Birmingham have a squad full of Internationally experienced seasoned players, and I do not see Man U, Man C, Arsenal, Chelsea, or any other club playing in Europe their league form has not dipped, infact most that are still in Euro competitions are up there in their respective leagues fighting for a place next season.
Birmingham have dropped 9 pts from 18 since the beginning of Feb, hardly promotion form, by the way Palace have picked up 10 from 18 in the same period.
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