The reference point is I’m not sure he had a better season than George for example.

I think George is very raw and his current level is the Championship. Kind of surprised he's getting the attention he does. Literally he scored a nice goal against Fulham and a decent pass in a pre season friendly is all I can say about him. He was maddeningly wasteful in Conference League games.

Garnacho has problems but he also has a very high 'ceiling' in terms of qiality.

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I think the club actually has a pretty clear idea of what it wants, and it's fine if Simons doesn't fit that.

Also people should stop retrospectively dismissing Mount's achievements at Chelsea just because he left and injuries have derailed his career. His stats show he was once very effective in the final third - if we signed anyone at that level again I'd be thrilled.
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Who here is dismissing Mount's achievements? I haven't seen anyone do that tbf.
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Someone earlier said they wouldn't want a new Mason Mount. I would.
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It all depends which Mount though. He did great with us for the most part and had a really bright start to his career. And I'm glad he was here while he was. Since then he fell off a cliff somewhat. So if we're talking Man Utd Mount then I wouldn't be that interested either tbf.

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I think the club actually has a pretty clear idea of what it wants, and it's fine if Simons doesn't fit that.

Also people should stop retrospectively dismissing Mount's achievements at Chelsea just because he left and injuries have derailed his career. His stats show he was once very effective in the final third - if we signed anyone at that level again I'd be thrilled.
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Who here is dismissing Mount's achievements? I haven't seen anyone do that tbf.
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Someone earlier said they wouldn't want a new Mason Mount. I would.
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It all depends which Mount though. He did great with us for the most part and had a really bright start to his career. And I'm glad he was here while he was. Since then he fell off a cliff somewhat. So if we're talking Man Utd Mount then I wouldn't be that interested either tbf.
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I literally said 2019-22 in my earlier responses.

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posted 9 minutes ago
I think George is very raw and his current level is the Championship. Kind of surprised he's getting the attention he does. Literally he scored a nice goal against Fulham and a decent pass in a pre season friendly is all I can say about him. He was maddeningly wasteful in Conference League games.

Garnacho has problems but he also has a very high 'ceiling' in terms of qiality.
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So you’re not wrong but my point is in terms of what they offer to the team today, based on last season they’re at a similar level.

And at the moment short term improvements to the side are more of interest to me than how good they can be in 2 years.

Mount has apparently been one of the few good players for Amorim tbf. Maybe he’s getting back to where he was

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Mount has apparently been one of the few good players for Amorim tbf. Maybe he’s getting back to where he was
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Watched the Fulham game. He has lots of 'energy' but he has zero confidence on the ball. Every pass is sideways and he's always much too deep. Kind of a parody of his critics who used to say all he's good at is pressing.

When, while not as gifted as say Grealish, he used to be very effective in final third with key passes and goals.

Also people should stop retrospectively dismissing Mount's achievements at Chelsea just because he left and injuries have derailed his career. His stats show he was once very effective in the final third - if we signed anyone at that level again I'd be thrilled.
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Meh, we've seen better examples of all the things he could do since he left. Enzo's better at the ghost run, Gallagher was a better presser (his best quality), and Palmer's technically better.

The homegrown lad effect definitely helped him. If he was a buy people opinion's of him at the time would've been more mixed.

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Also people should stop retrospectively dismissing Mount's achievements at Chelsea just because he left and injuries have derailed his career. His stats show he was once very effective in the final third - if we signed anyone at that level again I'd be thrilled.
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Meh, we've seen better examples of all the things he could do since he left. Enzo's better at the ghost run, Gallagher was a better presser (his best quality), and Palmer's technically better.

The homegrown lad effect definitely helped him. If he was a buy people opinion's of him at the time would've been more mixed.
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Not really, statistically he was among the most effective AMs in Europe for three years and was vital in our Champions League win. There's a reason top coaches love him. Frankly our current team is still a good level below Tuchel's Chelsea.

But anyway who cares now, he's cooked.

Also you've just described a Swiss-army style player who could do the attributes of three key players for us nearly as well as they could. So, I'd love a player like that in our squad now.

If Fermin Lopez is a possibility and he is a Mount regen I'd be delighted.

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comment by NPE - World Champions (U22712)
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I think the club actually has a pretty clear idea of what it wants, and it's fine if Simons doesn't fit that.

Also people should stop retrospectively dismissing Mount's achievements at Chelsea just because he left and injuries have derailed his career. His stats show he was once very effective in the final third - if we signed anyone at that level again I'd be thrilled.
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Who here is dismissing Mount's achievements? I haven't seen anyone do that tbf.
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Someone earlier said they wouldn't want a new Mason Mount. I would.
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It all depends which Mount though. He did great with us for the most part and had a really bright start to his career. And I'm glad he was here while he was. Since then he fell off a cliff somewhat. So if we're talking Man Utd Mount then I wouldn't be that interested either tbf.
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I literally said 2019-22 in my earlier responses.
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I rate Mount but he was never the sort of player to help us unpick low block defenses.

It doesn’t seem like Lopez is happening. Which is why I thought it’s bizarre for us to drop interest in Simons for him.

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comment by NPE - World Champions (U22712)
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I think the club actually has a pretty clear idea of what it wants, and it's fine if Simons doesn't fit that.

Also people should stop retrospectively dismissing Mount's achievements at Chelsea just because he left and injuries have derailed his career. His stats show he was once very effective in the final third - if we signed anyone at that level again I'd be thrilled.
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Who here is dismissing Mount's achievements? I haven't seen anyone do that tbf.
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Someone earlier said they wouldn't want a new Mason Mount. I would.
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It all depends which Mount though. He did great with us for the most part and had a really bright start to his career. And I'm glad he was here while he was. Since then he fell off a cliff somewhat. So if we're talking Man Utd Mount then I wouldn't be that interested either tbf.
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I literally said 2019-22 in my earlier responses.
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I rate Mount but he was never the sort of player to help us unpick low block defenses.
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This makes it sound like it's an Ocean's heist and we need a safecracker rather than just cumulative goals and assists across a squad.

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comment by NPE - World Champions (U22712)
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I think the club actually has a pretty clear idea of what it wants, and it's fine if Simons doesn't fit that.

Also people should stop retrospectively dismissing Mount's achievements at Chelsea just because he left and injuries have derailed his career. His stats show he was once very effective in the final third - if we signed anyone at that level again I'd be thrilled.
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Who here is dismissing Mount's achievements? I haven't seen anyone do that tbf.
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Someone earlier said they wouldn't want a new Mason Mount. I would.
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It all depends which Mount though. He did great with us for the most part and had a really bright start to his career. And I'm glad he was here while he was. Since then he fell off a cliff somewhat. So if we're talking Man Utd Mount then I wouldn't be that interested either tbf.
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I literally said 2019-22 in my earlier responses.
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That's fine but minididi's comment which is the one you referenced was about Mount in general. Not specifically 2019-2022 Mount. I don't think anyone would argue against that being a very good version of Mount. Present day Mount is a different story though.

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Mourinho sacked again
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Yeah but he's coming back to rescue Chelsea etc

Sad to miss out on Simons but got to trust the club to bring in someone just as good. Spurs beat us to Kudus and Simons.

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Mourinho sacked again
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Yeah but he's coming back to rescue Chelsea etc
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I doubt our owners would bring a has been in

Glad Palmer isn’t in the England squad

A bit annoyed that James is

🚨 Palmer will not play tomorrow. (@kierangill_DM)

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Glad Palmer isn’t in the England squad

A bit annoyed that James is
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Yeah that's annoying and risky. Maresca has been managing James's playing time and integration perfectly so far. I don't have the same faith in Tuchel and England to do the same.

It’s gonna be a tough game without him.

🗣 Enzo Maresca on Garnacho: "I know that he is around here. I don't know exactly where he is. He is a winger, and I see him as a winger."

Disasi
Chilwell
George
Sterling
D.Fofana
Jackson

Our 'exits' list has been nicely trimmed, a good chance all these could go.

Mourinho gone

united, West Ham, forest. Wonder where he’ll go