comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)

To be fair I never said anybody was league two standard. The only time I used League two was to describe the level of reserves football.

Diouf was a bench warmer for a struggling blackburn side too.

I think bebe is probably championship standard at best. He'd struggle to get in most sides in that division.
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It probably didnt help that he was played on the right at Blackburn most of the time.

So you think that Diouf is a Championship player? Even though he has scored 6 goals in the Bunedsliga in just 8 starts and 2 sub appearances? He also scored 4 in 5 Europa starts. But yeh, Championship standard. This case should probably give you a little wake up call about what people are trying to say to you - but we all know it wont.

Funrob, I think most people knew Ronaldo would be class, my point was that some people said he wouldn't be. People are so quick to write players off at United.

Darren

No prob man

I can't speak for other United supporters but Bebe is the only player that i'm prepared to write off. It's not just his performances, maybe it's just because I played football at a fairly high level in my youth and i'm just annoyed that Bebe gets to live my dream

But good luck to him. If he can turn it around and do well then i'll be the first to say I was wrong.

think bebe is probably championship standard at best. He'd struggle to get in most sides in that division.

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besiktas took him last season and they were in our CL group the previous season, hardly championship standard stretty.

to be honest i dont dispute your opinions in general to start of with, but sometimes you make strange comments which make me dispute them even more

Funrob, I think most people knew Ronaldo would be class, my point was that some people said he wouldn't be. People are so quick to write players off at United.

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many fans claimed that Ronaldo was only a show pony with no end product when he came to united, exciting to watch but thats about it.... thank god fergie didnt listen to those fans and write him off so easily



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I can't speak for other United supporters but Bebe is the only player that i'm prepared to write off. It's not just his performances, maybe it's just because I played football at a fairly high level in my youth and i'm just annoyed that Bebe gets to live my dream
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i think the problem is too many fans are naive in the fact they expect a player to come in to a high level of football and be a superstar overnight.
i dont think anyone is disputing the fact we overpaid for Bebe, but you also cant write someone off based on one or two bad games during what must have been a difficult settling in period, thats just ridiculous to expect.

Fair enough.

I don't think he'll be a world beater, he might leave, he might be a good squad player, but I just cannot know, and I don't think anyone else can.

I don't expect much from him, and I think he should be given time to see what he is capable of. If he doesn't make it, fine, he'll move on and so will the club.

But for the minute I just think a little perspective is needed with the guy. He must have some talent otherwise he woudn't be at the club. Whether he has the right mental and tactical attributes to succeed is yet to be seen. And he is going to be much further behind in that area due to the nature of his career.

comment by Arab Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Those that are questioning the integrity of the Bebe deal should have a read of this article that I just dug out.

The main points for me are that it was our Portuguese scout that really pushed SAF to buy Bebe, with some input from Queiroz. It wasn't Queiroz that instigated the deal as I often read.
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Those points aren't the reason people have questions about the Bebe deal. A player could be recommended by my Gran for all I care, it's what then happens.

Also if the suggestion being made above is that a relatively lowly paid Portugese scout is less likely to be involved in anything dubios than Carlos Queiroz then I don't really understand why. Anyway it's the agent that concerns me.

Gill said that we had been following Bebe, but the club didn't get involved when he became a free agent. Instead we reacted a few weeks after he signed for nothing, or when he 'really came on the scene' to use Gill's words, and then paid the reported €9m before he had played a competitive game. At best this makes our scouting appear pretty incompetent. I'd like to know when exactly anyone at the club first knew about Bebe.

Also what changed from the time he was not considered 'on the scene', a free transfer with no other takers, to us suddenly needing to meet his buy out clause? We do know that Bebe got a new agent (Mendes) just days before United made their move, and he was the agent that had taken Ronaldo, Anderson and Nani from Portugal to United. It was reported in Vitória's General Meeting that Mendes's €3.6m was made up of 10% agent's commission (€900,000), and another €2.7m because Mendes had also JUST acquired 30% of Bébé's 'economic rights'. What made Mendes suddenly buy his economic rights? Did United know Mendes had just acquired them before brokering a deal? Does any of this smell a little?

Did United even know the agent company was getting 40% of the cash?

In addition to this SAF normally seems very meticulous about investigating a players character and background aside from just their talent prior to sanctioning a deal, and yet this time he OK'd a fair sum of cash without even seeing the lad play on DVD. The first time he'd ever done that after also saying he normally at least sees 'plenty of footage'. I'd hope at the very least SAF wouldnt do this again. It's even stranger given his views on getting 'value' and club's financial situation.

I don't think SAF was knowingly involved in anything dodgy, but what made him suddenly change a habit of a lifetime? Was he getting a lot of outside pressure or strongly expressed recommendations about the amazing ability of this guy and clubs like Real Madrid just about to pounce? Did he imagine a Ronaldo mark II? Why were people so convinced this lad was suddenly so special? Even Gill said 'the lad had come from nowhere Interestingly the story that was leaked to Marca about Madrid's interest talked about Mourinho (another Mendes client) suddenly wanting him, and even Queiroz who supposedly provided a recommendation is a Mendes client.

As I said earlier, Bebe should absolutely get a chance like any other United player, and doesn't deserve any stick from the terraces, he may even turn out well, but this doesn't mean there aren't a few questions about the original deal that it would be good to know the answers to.

can't believe this is still going on

A Bebe article is always going to get more comments than even a thread reporting the new signing of Messi

I was scrolling down the Manchester United board, and saw this thread get over 200+ comments. - Safe to say we all feel Bebe is Manchester Uniteds future?

he was injured at besiktas and played only 4 games

Oh well, i suppose we need all the fans we can get and if the Homeless Associations and affiliated charities add to our support as a result of our Samaritan act, it cant do any harm

comment by The Wonderfully Sweet Little Pea (U6951)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Arab Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Those that are questioning the integrity of the Bebe deal should have a read of this article that I just dug out.

The main points for me are that it was our Portuguese scout that really pushed SAF to buy Bebe, with some input from Queiroz. It wasn't Queiroz that instigated the deal as I often read.
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Those points aren't the reason people have questions about the Bebe deal. A player could be recommended by my Gran for all I care, it's what then happens.

Also if the suggestion being made above is that a relatively lowly paid Portugese scout is less likely to be involved in anything dubios than Carlos Queiroz then I don't really understand why. Anyway it's the agent that concerns me.
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No I wasn't really trying to make any point, I just didn't word my post very well. It is just that I have seen a few people point the finger at Queiroz and suggest that he deliberately misled SAF and was in on some kind of con. However, it seems that the scout played a larger role.

I think we should also take into account the fact that Bebe has been picked to represent his country at U21 level. Obviously they have seen something they like.

Yeah def agree Elvis it's silly for people to suggest Queiroz was being dodgy.

Bebe was called up to U21s same month he signed for United.