posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Number8 (U23233)
posted 5 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 25 minutes ago
🚨⚪️: Bayern Munich demands £30 million for João Palhinha.
Tottenham is considering making an offer of just £20 million, as the player will demand a contract of at least 3 years!
Source: @GraemeBailey
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My issue with Palhinha is that he looks like a tennis player
There is said it
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what's wrong with tennis players?
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
NEW: Joao Palhinha, the Bayern Munich midfielder, is AVAILABLE this summer, #thfc’s preference would be for a LOAN rather than a permanent move.
@JackPittBrooke
Loan would perfect
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Would be*
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Karenakis apparently is desperate to sell MGW to City or anyone else over Spurs.
It's sad that this saga, if it ends with us eventually getting him, will for me be met with more relief than excitement. The whole delay and all the ups and downs that have come from it have taken the excitement out of it.
Of course if we don't get him then it's a blow to the window as I doubt we'll do any other business as good as that.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
reading around on all the rumour and ITK, seems like NF simply are not dealing with Spurs. Refuse to communicate.
Only way to make anything happen is via the player.
He hasnt gone on tour because of 'personal reasons'. Whether true or not, now is the time for him to say to the club, honour my contract or I'll see you in court.
UNLESS his agents has been very clumsy in sharing the confidential clause information because if this is the case and NF can prove it, then the player is in breach and NF will argue that that clause is null and void.
If MGW wants this move, then i see nothing to gain from him dragging it out. He has to bite the bullet soon enough and i would see this week, when the squad is on tour, and he's away from all his teammates etc as the ideal time. I believe they are away until the end of the month, game at the weekend, so if nothing happens this week, like him refusing to join up etc, I don't think anything will happen.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi #FreeMGW (U22178)
posted 16 hours, 32 minutes ago
We should pursue MGW until the last day of the window.
Forest would happily sell to Chelsea or Man City.
They need to know we are Europa League Champions and in the CL next sesson. We do what the funk we want.
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posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
reading around on all the rumour and ITK, seems like NF simply are not dealing with Spurs. Refuse to communicate.
Only way to make anything happen is via the player.
He hasnt gone on tour because of 'personal reasons'. Whether true or not, now is the time for him to say to the club, honour my contract or I'll see you in court.
UNLESS his agents has been very clumsy in sharing the confidential clause information because if this is the case and NF can prove it, then the player is in breach and NF will argue that that clause is null and void.
If MGW wants this move, then i see nothing to gain from him dragging it out. He has to bite the bullet soon enough and i would see this week, when the squad is on tour, and he's away from all his teammates etc as the ideal time. I believe they are away until the end of the month, game at the weekend, so if nothing happens this week, like him refusing to join up etc, I don't think anything will happen.
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Regarding the confidential clause information, the very fact that no official complaint has been made to the relevant authorities tells us everything we need to know about the legalities of our approach. We've clearly done nothing wrong. If there were anything provable we'd be up to our necks in lawsuits by now. An official complaint would have been lodged immediately. We've only heard of warnings of one. Absolute nonsense. Marinakis is just being a complete child. He gave MGW a release clause and he doesn't want to honour it now it's become a reality. It's that simple.
The only reason we've not pushed the legal side of things is to probably allow the dust to settle in order to resolve things amicably. The very fact it's been this long with absolutely no sign of us giving in tells us where we stand on the matter. We want him. He wants us.
We are going to need more pressure from the player's side though. Whilst he's with his partner, his agent should be making life hell for Marinakis. If there's a refusal to honour a contractual agreement, there should be a refusal on the players side to turn up for training. We're still at the stage where clearly we're waiting for Marinakis to calm down but my feeling is he won't. It's time for Levy to push this through the official channels and ignore the need for diplomacy. We're beyond that now.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
reading around on all the rumour and ITK, seems like NF simply are not dealing with Spurs. Refuse to communicate.
Only way to make anything happen is via the player.
He hasnt gone on tour because of 'personal reasons'. Whether true or not, now is the time for him to say to the club, honour my contract or I'll see you in court.
UNLESS his agents has been very clumsy in sharing the confidential clause information because if this is the case and NF can prove it, then the player is in breach and NF will argue that that clause is null and void.
If MGW wants this move, then i see nothing to gain from him dragging it out. He has to bite the bullet soon enough and i would see this week, when the squad is on tour, and he's away from all his teammates etc as the ideal time. I believe they are away until the end of the month, game at the weekend, so if nothing happens this week, like him refusing to join up etc, I don't think anything will happen.
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To rely on the player to make the moves is unreliable in this situation now. We're talking about MGW having to kick up a bit of a fuss against his own club in order to come to Spurs. He has every right to do that if he feels him and his agent are an innocent party but it's not the sort of behaviour every player has within them. Depends on the sort of character he is.
He might want to come to Spurs, only with the hassle it would entail for him to force the move and maybe with this apparent private matter with his wife and his baby, he could think it's not worth it.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I do not think there are any official channels we can take this through. We have no contractual relationship with NF. Its only MGW who can move this forward. I suspect if we complained to the PL they would say its a club/player contractual issue.
There are tactics and games to play to move this on. Marinakis has already played his cards but the next move is on MGW. I can see little to gain in dragging this out. Like you say, a chance for the dust to settle but aside from that the only play i can see is for MGW to make this happen now, while the club is away on tour. He might not, for example, want to start kicking up a fuss and have to go in and face everyone at training every day, cameras everywhere, etc Next 10 days' a chance to get things done on the down low.
If he joins up with the travelling squad then the signs are he's not going to force a move through, IMO.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 seconds ago
I do not think there are any official channels we can take this through. We have no contractual relationship with NF. Its only MGW who can move this forward. I suspect if we complained to the PL they would say its a club/player contractual issue.
There are tactics and games to play to move this on. Marinakis has already played his cards but the next move is on MGW. I can see little to gain in dragging this out. Like you say, a chance for the dust to settle but aside from that the only play i can see is for MGW to make this happen now, while the club is away on tour. He might not, for example, want to start kicking up a fuss and have to go in and face everyone at training every day, cameras everywhere, etc Next 10 days' a chance to get things done on the down low.
If he joins up with the travelling squad then the signs are he's not going to force a move through, IMO.
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That's not true. We can complain to the PL about Forest disrupting the transfer process, if, as is understood, we've done nothing wrong. If that's upheld they have no choice but to let the player go.
That's on us and the player's camp though. I've no idea why we've not accelerated it. Hoping Marinakis stands down is to not understand his character. He's not as rational as Levy. He strikes me as the kind of person who would happily go through a lengthy, expensive court case in order to satisfy a grudge.
My only worry is that, in theory, MGW has 2 years on his contract so his value won't decrease below 60m for quite some time. He could still demand 60m with a year left so there's nothing to stop him holding onto his registration until the close of the window. I'm hoping this will have been accelerated through the proper channels before then though. It sets a dangerous precedent to not honour a release clause if that's upheld by any authority. It would render all contracts obsolete.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I hope I'm wrong, but if this deal does not happen before MGW links up with the squad in Portugal then it's dead.
Spurs cannot do anything in terms of legal action and MGW (who captained Forest at points last season) won't want to fall out with the club or the fans.
I hate to say this, but if we were Man City, Liverpool or that lot down the road, then he might be more inclined to do what it takes to make the deal happen this summer; refuse to train, take legal action etc etc. But is he going to do that to join Spurs?
As it stands, he only has 2 years left on his contract so he'll be in a stronger position next year if a deal can't be done this summer and he sits it out.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
reading around on all the rumour and ITK, seems like NF simply are not dealing with Spurs. Refuse to communicate.
Only way to make anything happen is via the player.
He hasnt gone on tour because of 'personal reasons'. Whether true or not, now is the time for him to say to the club, honour my contract or I'll see you in court.
UNLESS his agents has been very clumsy in sharing the confidential clause information because if this is the case and NF can prove it, then the player is in breach and NF will argue that that clause is null and void.
If MGW wants this move, then i see nothing to gain from him dragging it out. He has to bite the bullet soon enough and i would see this week, when the squad is on tour, and he's away from all his teammates etc as the ideal time. I believe they are away until the end of the month, game at the weekend, so if nothing happens this week, like him refusing to join up etc, I don't think anything will happen.
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To rely on the player to make the moves is unreliable in this situation now. We're talking about MGW having to kick up a bit of a fuss against his own club in order to come to Spurs. He has every right to do that if he feels him and his agent are an innocent party but it's not the sort of behaviour every player has within them. Depends on the sort of character he is.
He might want to come to Spurs, only with the hassle it would entail for him to force the move and maybe with this apparent private matter with his wife and his baby, he could think it's not worth it.
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That's also a fear. He might just think I don't need this. He might not sign a new deal but he could just choose to stay on at Forest for one more year just to quieten the noise down during quite a difficult personal time.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Spurs can complain but what would our complaint be? That we bid the contract release clause and they're not honouring it?
That's a dispute between those party to the contract, and that aint Spurs.
We have no real power. If this goes to court etc, its MGW doing that not THFC.
Agreed on their owner. Typical billionaire attitude that he will just act however he wants and if you want to go to war with him, fine, he has a battalion of lawyers at his back who will make this as difficult as possible.
His tactic is clear.
He's pisssed that he'll lose a top player for not enough money
He's thrown accusations around to threaten all parties involved and give them a heads up that he will willingly fight them all the way
His position is there's a breach so he's under no obligation to honour the £60m clause to Spurs or anyone. He will claim its now void
He may accept a transfer request but will only sell for £80m or more
He is laying the ground work for this to be as messy and unpleasant as possible should it be forced through , and the person to do that is MGW, and does he really want to go to war with his billionaire hot head nut job club owner?
+ this is a world cup year. MGW wants to be on that plane so will not want to sacrifice this season rotting in reserves while a legal case plays out.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is to happen. At least we have on our side an equally calculated and asute owner who will not want to accept defeat, unless he really has to, and even then his ego may drive to secure victory!
I would have expected that if MGW gave up on this chance then some sort of announcement would be made by now. I would be surprised if he signed a new deal after the way NF have acted.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
Spurs can complain but what would our complaint be? That we bid the contract release clause and they're not honouring it?
That's a dispute between those party to the contract, and that aint Spurs.
We have no real power. If this goes to court etc, its MGW doing that not THFC.
Agreed on their owner. Typical billionaire attitude that he will just act however he wants and if you want to go to war with him, fine, he has a battalion of lawyers at his back who will make this as difficult as possible.
His tactic is clear.
He's pisssed that he'll lose a top player for not enough money
He's thrown accusations around to threaten all parties involved and give them a heads up that he will willingly fight them all the way
His position is there's a breach so he's under no obligation to honour the £60m clause to Spurs or anyone. He will claim its now void
He may accept a transfer request but will only sell for £80m or more
He is laying the ground work for this to be as messy and unpleasant as possible should it be forced through , and the person to do that is MGW, and does he really want to go to war with his billionaire hot head nut job club owner?
+ this is a world cup year. MGW wants to be on that plane so will not want to sacrifice this season rotting in reserves while a legal case plays out.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is to happen. At least we have on our side an equally calculated and asute owner who will not want to accept defeat, unless he really has to, and even then his ego may drive to secure victory!
I would have expected that if MGW gave up on this chance then some sort of announcement would be made by now. I would be surprised if he signed a new deal after the way NF have acted.
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That's why it's so odd that most journo's still expect this one to go through. Maybe they're basing their opinions on standard football practice, but the problem is, we're dealing with someone who has no respect for tradition or honour. Most other owners see a release clause paid and recognise a certain duty to a player. Marinakis doesn't give a shiiiiit so if these journo's looked at this with fresh eyes, they might realise that this is a harder deal to get done than they think. To them it's unthinkable that an owner would pull such a stunt so they expect him to eventually cave. He won't unless he's completely forced to, which is where MGW comes in.
I understand what you mean regarding it being on his camp to force this through as it's a breach of his own contract rather than anything specific to us. That said, if we can't get involved and MGW is steadfast in his decision not to put in a transfer request, why are we still waiting around? Why haven't we just moved on? It seems odd for us to stick around waiting for it to resolve itself unless we've received some level of encouragement from at least one of the parties involved.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
Spurs can complain but what would our complaint be? That we bid the contract release clause and they're not honouring it?
That's a dispute between those party to the contract, and that aint Spurs.
We have no real power. If this goes to court etc, its MGW doing that not THFC.
Agreed on their owner. Typical billionaire attitude that he will just act however he wants and if you want to go to war with him, fine, he has a battalion of lawyers at his back who will make this as difficult as possible.
His tactic is clear.
He's pisssed that he'll lose a top player for not enough money
He's thrown accusations around to threaten all parties involved and give them a heads up that he will willingly fight them all the way
His position is there's a breach so he's under no obligation to honour the £60m clause to Spurs or anyone. He will claim its now void
He may accept a transfer request but will only sell for £80m or more
He is laying the ground work for this to be as messy and unpleasant as possible should it be forced through , and the person to do that is MGW, and does he really want to go to war with his billionaire hot head nut job club owner?
+ this is a world cup year. MGW wants to be on that plane so will not want to sacrifice this season rotting in reserves while a legal case plays out.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is to happen. At least we have on our side an equally calculated and asute owner who will not want to accept defeat, unless he really has to, and even then his ego may drive to secure victory!
I would have expected that if MGW gave up on this chance then some sort of announcement would be made by now. I would be surprised if he signed a new deal after the way NF have acted.
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That's why it's so odd that most journo's still expect this one to go through. Maybe they're basing their opinions on standard football practice, but the problem is, we're dealing with someone who has no respect for tradition or honour. Most other owners see a release clause paid and recognise a certain duty to a player. Marinakis doesn't give a shiiiiit so if these journo's looked at this with fresh eyes, they might realise that this is a harder deal to get done than they think. To them it's unthinkable that an owner would pull such a stunt so they expect him to eventually cave. He won't unless he's completely forced to, which is where MGW comes in.
I understand what you mean regarding it being on his camp to force this through as it's a breach of his own contract rather than anything specific to us. That said, if we can't get involved and MGW is steadfast in his decision not to put in a transfer request, why are we still waiting around? Why haven't we just moved on? It seems odd for us to stick around waiting for it to resolve itself unless we've received some level of encouragement from at least one of the parties involved.
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At least we tried LOL
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Maybe, just maybe MGW wants to join us badly and in the end will force a move.
He has reportedly turned down City to join us.
Maybe......
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Brave of him to turn down City when he can't leave Forest
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
Spurs can complain but what would our complaint be? That we bid the contract release clause and they're not honouring it?
That's a dispute between those party to the contract, and that aint Spurs.
We have no real power. If this goes to court etc, its MGW doing that not THFC.
Agreed on their owner. Typical billionaire attitude that he will just act however he wants and if you want to go to war with him, fine, he has a battalion of lawyers at his back who will make this as difficult as possible.
His tactic is clear.
He's pisssed that he'll lose a top player for not enough money
He's thrown accusations around to threaten all parties involved and give them a heads up that he will willingly fight them all the way
His position is there's a breach so he's under no obligation to honour the £60m clause to Spurs or anyone. He will claim its now void
He may accept a transfer request but will only sell for £80m or more
He is laying the ground work for this to be as messy and unpleasant as possible should it be forced through , and the person to do that is MGW, and does he really want to go to war with his billionaire hot head nut job club owner?
+ this is a world cup year. MGW wants to be on that plane so will not want to sacrifice this season rotting in reserves while a legal case plays out.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is to happen. At least we have on our side an equally calculated and asute owner who will not want to accept defeat, unless he really has to, and even then his ego may drive to secure victory!
I would have expected that if MGW gave up on this chance then some sort of announcement would be made by now. I would be surprised if he signed a new deal after the way NF have acted.
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That's why it's so odd that most journo's still expect this one to go through. Maybe they're basing their opinions on standard football practice, but the problem is, we're dealing with someone who has no respect for tradition or honour. Most other owners see a release clause paid and recognise a certain duty to a player. Marinakis doesn't give a shiiiiit so if these journo's looked at this with fresh eyes, they might realise that this is a harder deal to get done than they think. To them it's unthinkable that an owner would pull such a stunt so they expect him to eventually cave. He won't unless he's completely forced to, which is where MGW comes in.
I understand what you mean regarding it being on his camp to force this through as it's a breach of his own contract rather than anything specific to us. That said, if we can't get involved and MGW is steadfast in his decision not to put in a transfer request, why are we still waiting around? Why haven't we just moved on? It seems odd for us to stick around waiting for it to resolve itself unless we've received some level of encouragement from at least one of the parties involved.
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I think the journalism is pretty lazy, as you said, normally this would go through one way or the other so this narrative is still being pushed, perhaps with little knowledge or info.
Perhaps now we/the media are just learning about the NF owner in the same way that we have all learned how Levy does business over the years.
If this were a Spurs player and Man Utd tapping him up we'd be doing the same and trying to fend them off or extract as much money as possible.
Not sure whether NF are dead set on keeping him, or will only do a deal at a higher price. But they seem to have made achieving the release price as difficult as possible so it may well be just creating a stronger negotiating angle for them, and they will do a deal if the price is right.
The way things get out of clubs and are reported by the likes of Romano, you'd expect that if Spurs had moved on, or MGW had decided to stay, then that message would have found its way into the public realm.
My one concern here is still Levy. This battle of ego's seems to trigger Levy, he wants a win on every deal so having taken NF by surprise with a winning £60m bid, he may now not back down, when perhaps £70m might do it.
If it comes to a deal at a bigger price VS a drawn out legal battle to enforce the release clause, may be the course of least resistance is to back down and offer more. But will Levy do that, and will NF take it all the way to the end of the window to use time as a means of extracting the biggest sum?
Right now it seems like a bit of a stand off between two alpha-chairmen
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
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posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Yeah it does feel like a battle between two people that like to win at this game. The problem is that it's in danger of derailing our business. If we're persistently chasing MGW just for the legal win, how does that impact other deals? You can have plenty of irons in the fire but until you get the green light on MGW, how do you know how much you can spend on other targets?
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
We could set a deadline to get the deal done. Say mid Aug for example. That would give us 2 weeks of the window to pursure other players.
We have loads of option in terms of time. Over 5 weeks left of the window. Plenty of time.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Ali Gold saying we have to sell a midfielder before bringing in Paulinha. Honestly, this is part of the problem at the club. Just sign him and then tell someone like Biss that they're surplus to requirements and that they won't get a game. With AFCON on the horizon, he needs game time. This persistence with waiting until someone leaves before recruiting is exactly why we're a small time club. The bigger clubs don't operate like this. They recruit and then squeeze players out. Levy won't do that though because ultimately there's a fear of the player turning down a move away and lumbering him with more wages to pay.
Absolutely sick of this club. Look at the teams at the top and their movement. We've qualified for the CL and we've signed one first team player in Kudus. Don't come at me with Tel and Takai. One was already here and the other isn't a first teamer.
So much for the investment. Same old shiiiit. The club claims it has ambition but won't give us the capital to back it up.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis is hoping Man City come in with a bid to sign Morgan Gibbs-White, who told Marinakis at the end of last season he would only leave for a certain level of club.
Marinakis does NOT believe #Tottenham fit that category.
{@alex_crook}
Low ball the fat free yogurt. Make him pay.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ali Gold saying we have to sell a midfielder before bringing in Paulinha. Honestly, this is part of the problem at the club. Just sign him and then tell someone like Biss that they're surplus to requirements and that they won't get a game. With AFCON on the horizon, he needs game time. This persistence with waiting until someone leaves before recruiting is exactly why we're a small time club. The bigger clubs don't operate like this. They recruit and then squeeze players out. Levy won't do that though because ultimately there's a fear of the player turning down a move away and lumbering him with more wages to pay.
Absolutely sick of this club. Look at the teams at the top and their movement. We've qualified for the CL and we've signed one first team player in Kudus. Don't come at me with Tel and Takai. One was already here and the other isn't a first teamer.
So much for the investment. Same old shiiiit. The club claims it has ambition but won't give us the capital to back it up.
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If we fill our squad and then have a plyer surplus, that we want gone, how much do you think we'll get for him, if anything?
It would be daft to do all our buys and then look to sell because that will cost us millions and potentially if we find no buyer we are paying someone millions and we may not even be able to register him for the PL/Europe
If we got MGW and Paulinha in, we'd have 18 foreign players, 1 more than allowed.
We need to move on the likes of Gil, Solomon and probably Bissouma, and that's difficult enough.
Plus if we can do some ok deals on them, may be we have a bit more money to throw at getting the MGW deal done asap.
This isnt Spurs being Spurs. We've spent £115m and if it wasnt for the NF chairman it would be £175m by now. The vast majority of clubs will act in this way!
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi #FreeMGW (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis is hoping Man City come in with a bid to sign Morgan Gibbs-White, who told Marinakis at the end of last season he would only leave for a certain level of club.
Marinakis does NOT believe #Tottenham fit that category.
{@alex_crook}
Low ball the fat free yogurt. Make him pay.
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posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Number8 (U23233)
posted 5 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 25 minutes ago
🚨⚪️: Bayern Munich demands £30 million for João Palhinha.
Tottenham is considering making an offer of just £20 million, as the player will demand a contract of at least 3 years!
Source: @GraemeBailey
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My issue with Palhinha is that he looks like a tennis player
There is said it
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what's wrong with tennis players?
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
NEW: Joao Palhinha, the Bayern Munich midfielder, is AVAILABLE this summer, #thfc’s preference would be for a LOAN rather than a permanent move.
@JackPittBrooke
Loan would perfect
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Would be*
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Karenakis apparently is desperate to sell MGW to City or anyone else over Spurs.
It's sad that this saga, if it ends with us eventually getting him, will for me be met with more relief than excitement. The whole delay and all the ups and downs that have come from it have taken the excitement out of it.
Of course if we don't get him then it's a blow to the window as I doubt we'll do any other business as good as that.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
reading around on all the rumour and ITK, seems like NF simply are not dealing with Spurs. Refuse to communicate.
Only way to make anything happen is via the player.
He hasnt gone on tour because of 'personal reasons'. Whether true or not, now is the time for him to say to the club, honour my contract or I'll see you in court.
UNLESS his agents has been very clumsy in sharing the confidential clause information because if this is the case and NF can prove it, then the player is in breach and NF will argue that that clause is null and void.
If MGW wants this move, then i see nothing to gain from him dragging it out. He has to bite the bullet soon enough and i would see this week, when the squad is on tour, and he's away from all his teammates etc as the ideal time. I believe they are away until the end of the month, game at the weekend, so if nothing happens this week, like him refusing to join up etc, I don't think anything will happen.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi #FreeMGW (U22178)
posted 16 hours, 32 minutes ago
We should pursue MGW until the last day of the window.
Forest would happily sell to Chelsea or Man City.
They need to know we are Europa League Champions and in the CL next sesson. We do what the funk we want.
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posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 14 minutes ago
reading around on all the rumour and ITK, seems like NF simply are not dealing with Spurs. Refuse to communicate.
Only way to make anything happen is via the player.
He hasnt gone on tour because of 'personal reasons'. Whether true or not, now is the time for him to say to the club, honour my contract or I'll see you in court.
UNLESS his agents has been very clumsy in sharing the confidential clause information because if this is the case and NF can prove it, then the player is in breach and NF will argue that that clause is null and void.
If MGW wants this move, then i see nothing to gain from him dragging it out. He has to bite the bullet soon enough and i would see this week, when the squad is on tour, and he's away from all his teammates etc as the ideal time. I believe they are away until the end of the month, game at the weekend, so if nothing happens this week, like him refusing to join up etc, I don't think anything will happen.
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Regarding the confidential clause information, the very fact that no official complaint has been made to the relevant authorities tells us everything we need to know about the legalities of our approach. We've clearly done nothing wrong. If there were anything provable we'd be up to our necks in lawsuits by now. An official complaint would have been lodged immediately. We've only heard of warnings of one. Absolute nonsense. Marinakis is just being a complete child. He gave MGW a release clause and he doesn't want to honour it now it's become a reality. It's that simple.
The only reason we've not pushed the legal side of things is to probably allow the dust to settle in order to resolve things amicably. The very fact it's been this long with absolutely no sign of us giving in tells us where we stand on the matter. We want him. He wants us.
We are going to need more pressure from the player's side though. Whilst he's with his partner, his agent should be making life hell for Marinakis. If there's a refusal to honour a contractual agreement, there should be a refusal on the players side to turn up for training. We're still at the stage where clearly we're waiting for Marinakis to calm down but my feeling is he won't. It's time for Levy to push this through the official channels and ignore the need for diplomacy. We're beyond that now.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
reading around on all the rumour and ITK, seems like NF simply are not dealing with Spurs. Refuse to communicate.
Only way to make anything happen is via the player.
He hasnt gone on tour because of 'personal reasons'. Whether true or not, now is the time for him to say to the club, honour my contract or I'll see you in court.
UNLESS his agents has been very clumsy in sharing the confidential clause information because if this is the case and NF can prove it, then the player is in breach and NF will argue that that clause is null and void.
If MGW wants this move, then i see nothing to gain from him dragging it out. He has to bite the bullet soon enough and i would see this week, when the squad is on tour, and he's away from all his teammates etc as the ideal time. I believe they are away until the end of the month, game at the weekend, so if nothing happens this week, like him refusing to join up etc, I don't think anything will happen.
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To rely on the player to make the moves is unreliable in this situation now. We're talking about MGW having to kick up a bit of a fuss against his own club in order to come to Spurs. He has every right to do that if he feels him and his agent are an innocent party but it's not the sort of behaviour every player has within them. Depends on the sort of character he is.
He might want to come to Spurs, only with the hassle it would entail for him to force the move and maybe with this apparent private matter with his wife and his baby, he could think it's not worth it.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I do not think there are any official channels we can take this through. We have no contractual relationship with NF. Its only MGW who can move this forward. I suspect if we complained to the PL they would say its a club/player contractual issue.
There are tactics and games to play to move this on. Marinakis has already played his cards but the next move is on MGW. I can see little to gain in dragging this out. Like you say, a chance for the dust to settle but aside from that the only play i can see is for MGW to make this happen now, while the club is away on tour. He might not, for example, want to start kicking up a fuss and have to go in and face everyone at training every day, cameras everywhere, etc Next 10 days' a chance to get things done on the down low.
If he joins up with the travelling squad then the signs are he's not going to force a move through, IMO.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 seconds ago
I do not think there are any official channels we can take this through. We have no contractual relationship with NF. Its only MGW who can move this forward. I suspect if we complained to the PL they would say its a club/player contractual issue.
There are tactics and games to play to move this on. Marinakis has already played his cards but the next move is on MGW. I can see little to gain in dragging this out. Like you say, a chance for the dust to settle but aside from that the only play i can see is for MGW to make this happen now, while the club is away on tour. He might not, for example, want to start kicking up a fuss and have to go in and face everyone at training every day, cameras everywhere, etc Next 10 days' a chance to get things done on the down low.
If he joins up with the travelling squad then the signs are he's not going to force a move through, IMO.
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That's not true. We can complain to the PL about Forest disrupting the transfer process, if, as is understood, we've done nothing wrong. If that's upheld they have no choice but to let the player go.
That's on us and the player's camp though. I've no idea why we've not accelerated it. Hoping Marinakis stands down is to not understand his character. He's not as rational as Levy. He strikes me as the kind of person who would happily go through a lengthy, expensive court case in order to satisfy a grudge.
My only worry is that, in theory, MGW has 2 years on his contract so his value won't decrease below 60m for quite some time. He could still demand 60m with a year left so there's nothing to stop him holding onto his registration until the close of the window. I'm hoping this will have been accelerated through the proper channels before then though. It sets a dangerous precedent to not honour a release clause if that's upheld by any authority. It would render all contracts obsolete.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
I hope I'm wrong, but if this deal does not happen before MGW links up with the squad in Portugal then it's dead.
Spurs cannot do anything in terms of legal action and MGW (who captained Forest at points last season) won't want to fall out with the club or the fans.
I hate to say this, but if we were Man City, Liverpool or that lot down the road, then he might be more inclined to do what it takes to make the deal happen this summer; refuse to train, take legal action etc etc. But is he going to do that to join Spurs?
As it stands, he only has 2 years left on his contract so he'll be in a stronger position next year if a deal can't be done this summer and he sits it out.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
reading around on all the rumour and ITK, seems like NF simply are not dealing with Spurs. Refuse to communicate.
Only way to make anything happen is via the player.
He hasnt gone on tour because of 'personal reasons'. Whether true or not, now is the time for him to say to the club, honour my contract or I'll see you in court.
UNLESS his agents has been very clumsy in sharing the confidential clause information because if this is the case and NF can prove it, then the player is in breach and NF will argue that that clause is null and void.
If MGW wants this move, then i see nothing to gain from him dragging it out. He has to bite the bullet soon enough and i would see this week, when the squad is on tour, and he's away from all his teammates etc as the ideal time. I believe they are away until the end of the month, game at the weekend, so if nothing happens this week, like him refusing to join up etc, I don't think anything will happen.
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To rely on the player to make the moves is unreliable in this situation now. We're talking about MGW having to kick up a bit of a fuss against his own club in order to come to Spurs. He has every right to do that if he feels him and his agent are an innocent party but it's not the sort of behaviour every player has within them. Depends on the sort of character he is.
He might want to come to Spurs, only with the hassle it would entail for him to force the move and maybe with this apparent private matter with his wife and his baby, he could think it's not worth it.
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That's also a fear. He might just think I don't need this. He might not sign a new deal but he could just choose to stay on at Forest for one more year just to quieten the noise down during quite a difficult personal time.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Spurs can complain but what would our complaint be? That we bid the contract release clause and they're not honouring it?
That's a dispute between those party to the contract, and that aint Spurs.
We have no real power. If this goes to court etc, its MGW doing that not THFC.
Agreed on their owner. Typical billionaire attitude that he will just act however he wants and if you want to go to war with him, fine, he has a battalion of lawyers at his back who will make this as difficult as possible.
His tactic is clear.
He's pisssed that he'll lose a top player for not enough money
He's thrown accusations around to threaten all parties involved and give them a heads up that he will willingly fight them all the way
His position is there's a breach so he's under no obligation to honour the £60m clause to Spurs or anyone. He will claim its now void
He may accept a transfer request but will only sell for £80m or more
He is laying the ground work for this to be as messy and unpleasant as possible should it be forced through , and the person to do that is MGW, and does he really want to go to war with his billionaire hot head nut job club owner?
+ this is a world cup year. MGW wants to be on that plane so will not want to sacrifice this season rotting in reserves while a legal case plays out.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is to happen. At least we have on our side an equally calculated and asute owner who will not want to accept defeat, unless he really has to, and even then his ego may drive to secure victory!
I would have expected that if MGW gave up on this chance then some sort of announcement would be made by now. I would be surprised if he signed a new deal after the way NF have acted.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
Spurs can complain but what would our complaint be? That we bid the contract release clause and they're not honouring it?
That's a dispute between those party to the contract, and that aint Spurs.
We have no real power. If this goes to court etc, its MGW doing that not THFC.
Agreed on their owner. Typical billionaire attitude that he will just act however he wants and if you want to go to war with him, fine, he has a battalion of lawyers at his back who will make this as difficult as possible.
His tactic is clear.
He's pisssed that he'll lose a top player for not enough money
He's thrown accusations around to threaten all parties involved and give them a heads up that he will willingly fight them all the way
His position is there's a breach so he's under no obligation to honour the £60m clause to Spurs or anyone. He will claim its now void
He may accept a transfer request but will only sell for £80m or more
He is laying the ground work for this to be as messy and unpleasant as possible should it be forced through , and the person to do that is MGW, and does he really want to go to war with his billionaire hot head nut job club owner?
+ this is a world cup year. MGW wants to be on that plane so will not want to sacrifice this season rotting in reserves while a legal case plays out.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is to happen. At least we have on our side an equally calculated and asute owner who will not want to accept defeat, unless he really has to, and even then his ego may drive to secure victory!
I would have expected that if MGW gave up on this chance then some sort of announcement would be made by now. I would be surprised if he signed a new deal after the way NF have acted.
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That's why it's so odd that most journo's still expect this one to go through. Maybe they're basing their opinions on standard football practice, but the problem is, we're dealing with someone who has no respect for tradition or honour. Most other owners see a release clause paid and recognise a certain duty to a player. Marinakis doesn't give a shiiiiit so if these journo's looked at this with fresh eyes, they might realise that this is a harder deal to get done than they think. To them it's unthinkable that an owner would pull such a stunt so they expect him to eventually cave. He won't unless he's completely forced to, which is where MGW comes in.
I understand what you mean regarding it being on his camp to force this through as it's a breach of his own contract rather than anything specific to us. That said, if we can't get involved and MGW is steadfast in his decision not to put in a transfer request, why are we still waiting around? Why haven't we just moved on? It seems odd for us to stick around waiting for it to resolve itself unless we've received some level of encouragement from at least one of the parties involved.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
Spurs can complain but what would our complaint be? That we bid the contract release clause and they're not honouring it?
That's a dispute between those party to the contract, and that aint Spurs.
We have no real power. If this goes to court etc, its MGW doing that not THFC.
Agreed on their owner. Typical billionaire attitude that he will just act however he wants and if you want to go to war with him, fine, he has a battalion of lawyers at his back who will make this as difficult as possible.
His tactic is clear.
He's pisssed that he'll lose a top player for not enough money
He's thrown accusations around to threaten all parties involved and give them a heads up that he will willingly fight them all the way
His position is there's a breach so he's under no obligation to honour the £60m clause to Spurs or anyone. He will claim its now void
He may accept a transfer request but will only sell for £80m or more
He is laying the ground work for this to be as messy and unpleasant as possible should it be forced through , and the person to do that is MGW, and does he really want to go to war with his billionaire hot head nut job club owner?
+ this is a world cup year. MGW wants to be on that plane so will not want to sacrifice this season rotting in reserves while a legal case plays out.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is to happen. At least we have on our side an equally calculated and asute owner who will not want to accept defeat, unless he really has to, and even then his ego may drive to secure victory!
I would have expected that if MGW gave up on this chance then some sort of announcement would be made by now. I would be surprised if he signed a new deal after the way NF have acted.
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That's why it's so odd that most journo's still expect this one to go through. Maybe they're basing their opinions on standard football practice, but the problem is, we're dealing with someone who has no respect for tradition or honour. Most other owners see a release clause paid and recognise a certain duty to a player. Marinakis doesn't give a shiiiiit so if these journo's looked at this with fresh eyes, they might realise that this is a harder deal to get done than they think. To them it's unthinkable that an owner would pull such a stunt so they expect him to eventually cave. He won't unless he's completely forced to, which is where MGW comes in.
I understand what you mean regarding it being on his camp to force this through as it's a breach of his own contract rather than anything specific to us. That said, if we can't get involved and MGW is steadfast in his decision not to put in a transfer request, why are we still waiting around? Why haven't we just moved on? It seems odd for us to stick around waiting for it to resolve itself unless we've received some level of encouragement from at least one of the parties involved.
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At least we tried LOL
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Maybe, just maybe MGW wants to join us badly and in the end will force a move.
He has reportedly turned down City to join us.
Maybe......
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Brave of him to turn down City when he can't leave Forest
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
Spurs can complain but what would our complaint be? That we bid the contract release clause and they're not honouring it?
That's a dispute between those party to the contract, and that aint Spurs.
We have no real power. If this goes to court etc, its MGW doing that not THFC.
Agreed on their owner. Typical billionaire attitude that he will just act however he wants and if you want to go to war with him, fine, he has a battalion of lawyers at his back who will make this as difficult as possible.
His tactic is clear.
He's pisssed that he'll lose a top player for not enough money
He's thrown accusations around to threaten all parties involved and give them a heads up that he will willingly fight them all the way
His position is there's a breach so he's under no obligation to honour the £60m clause to Spurs or anyone. He will claim its now void
He may accept a transfer request but will only sell for £80m or more
He is laying the ground work for this to be as messy and unpleasant as possible should it be forced through , and the person to do that is MGW, and does he really want to go to war with his billionaire hot head nut job club owner?
+ this is a world cup year. MGW wants to be on that plane so will not want to sacrifice this season rotting in reserves while a legal case plays out.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is to happen. At least we have on our side an equally calculated and asute owner who will not want to accept defeat, unless he really has to, and even then his ego may drive to secure victory!
I would have expected that if MGW gave up on this chance then some sort of announcement would be made by now. I would be surprised if he signed a new deal after the way NF have acted.
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That's why it's so odd that most journo's still expect this one to go through. Maybe they're basing their opinions on standard football practice, but the problem is, we're dealing with someone who has no respect for tradition or honour. Most other owners see a release clause paid and recognise a certain duty to a player. Marinakis doesn't give a shiiiiit so if these journo's looked at this with fresh eyes, they might realise that this is a harder deal to get done than they think. To them it's unthinkable that an owner would pull such a stunt so they expect him to eventually cave. He won't unless he's completely forced to, which is where MGW comes in.
I understand what you mean regarding it being on his camp to force this through as it's a breach of his own contract rather than anything specific to us. That said, if we can't get involved and MGW is steadfast in his decision not to put in a transfer request, why are we still waiting around? Why haven't we just moved on? It seems odd for us to stick around waiting for it to resolve itself unless we've received some level of encouragement from at least one of the parties involved.
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I think the journalism is pretty lazy, as you said, normally this would go through one way or the other so this narrative is still being pushed, perhaps with little knowledge or info.
Perhaps now we/the media are just learning about the NF owner in the same way that we have all learned how Levy does business over the years.
If this were a Spurs player and Man Utd tapping him up we'd be doing the same and trying to fend them off or extract as much money as possible.
Not sure whether NF are dead set on keeping him, or will only do a deal at a higher price. But they seem to have made achieving the release price as difficult as possible so it may well be just creating a stronger negotiating angle for them, and they will do a deal if the price is right.
The way things get out of clubs and are reported by the likes of Romano, you'd expect that if Spurs had moved on, or MGW had decided to stay, then that message would have found its way into the public realm.
My one concern here is still Levy. This battle of ego's seems to trigger Levy, he wants a win on every deal so having taken NF by surprise with a winning £60m bid, he may now not back down, when perhaps £70m might do it.
If it comes to a deal at a bigger price VS a drawn out legal battle to enforce the release clause, may be the course of least resistance is to back down and offer more. But will Levy do that, and will NF take it all the way to the end of the window to use time as a means of extracting the biggest sum?
Right now it seems like a bit of a stand off between two alpha-chairmen
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
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posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Yeah it does feel like a battle between two people that like to win at this game. The problem is that it's in danger of derailing our business. If we're persistently chasing MGW just for the legal win, how does that impact other deals? You can have plenty of irons in the fire but until you get the green light on MGW, how do you know how much you can spend on other targets?
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
We could set a deadline to get the deal done. Say mid Aug for example. That would give us 2 weeks of the window to pursure other players.
We have loads of option in terms of time. Over 5 weeks left of the window. Plenty of time.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Ali Gold saying we have to sell a midfielder before bringing in Paulinha. Honestly, this is part of the problem at the club. Just sign him and then tell someone like Biss that they're surplus to requirements and that they won't get a game. With AFCON on the horizon, he needs game time. This persistence with waiting until someone leaves before recruiting is exactly why we're a small time club. The bigger clubs don't operate like this. They recruit and then squeeze players out. Levy won't do that though because ultimately there's a fear of the player turning down a move away and lumbering him with more wages to pay.
Absolutely sick of this club. Look at the teams at the top and their movement. We've qualified for the CL and we've signed one first team player in Kudus. Don't come at me with Tel and Takai. One was already here and the other isn't a first teamer.
So much for the investment. Same old shiiiit. The club claims it has ambition but won't give us the capital to back it up.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis is hoping Man City come in with a bid to sign Morgan Gibbs-White, who told Marinakis at the end of last season he would only leave for a certain level of club.
Marinakis does NOT believe #Tottenham fit that category.
{@alex_crook}
Low ball the fat free yogurt. Make him pay.
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ali Gold saying we have to sell a midfielder before bringing in Paulinha. Honestly, this is part of the problem at the club. Just sign him and then tell someone like Biss that they're surplus to requirements and that they won't get a game. With AFCON on the horizon, he needs game time. This persistence with waiting until someone leaves before recruiting is exactly why we're a small time club. The bigger clubs don't operate like this. They recruit and then squeeze players out. Levy won't do that though because ultimately there's a fear of the player turning down a move away and lumbering him with more wages to pay.
Absolutely sick of this club. Look at the teams at the top and their movement. We've qualified for the CL and we've signed one first team player in Kudus. Don't come at me with Tel and Takai. One was already here and the other isn't a first teamer.
So much for the investment. Same old shiiiit. The club claims it has ambition but won't give us the capital to back it up.
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If we fill our squad and then have a plyer surplus, that we want gone, how much do you think we'll get for him, if anything?
It would be daft to do all our buys and then look to sell because that will cost us millions and potentially if we find no buyer we are paying someone millions and we may not even be able to register him for the PL/Europe
If we got MGW and Paulinha in, we'd have 18 foreign players, 1 more than allowed.
We need to move on the likes of Gil, Solomon and probably Bissouma, and that's difficult enough.
Plus if we can do some ok deals on them, may be we have a bit more money to throw at getting the MGW deal done asap.
This isnt Spurs being Spurs. We've spent £115m and if it wasnt for the NF chairman it would be £175m by now. The vast majority of clubs will act in this way!
posted 3 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi #FreeMGW (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis is hoping Man City come in with a bid to sign Morgan Gibbs-White, who told Marinakis at the end of last season he would only leave for a certain level of club.
Marinakis does NOT believe #Tottenham fit that category.
{@alex_crook}
Low ball the fat free yogurt. Make him pay.
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