I doubt many leg breaking tackles are done intentionally to break the other persons leg, it doesn't make the action itself any less reckless though.
I think people need to actually watch the tackle again, it was incredibly reckless regardless of the damage caused.
Yeah I did, very very aggressive. Would easily get an extended ban for it these days....
I agree melton but no more reckless, with no more malice and no more intent than we have seen on numerous occasions. The only difference here is the admission of intent by the protagonist. I certainly don't think that makes him any worse than any other player who has done similar but not owned up to the premeditated nature of their actions.
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 9 seconds ago
I agree melton but no more reckless, with no more malice and no more intent than we have seen on numerous occasions. The only difference here is the admission of intent by the protagonist. I certainly don't think that makes him any worse than any other player who has done similar but not owned up to the premeditated nature of their actions.
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Depends which account of Keanes you believe for me.
Its a shame really because Keane was such a great midfielder a real enforcer something that a lot of teams United included probably need
Although, normally it's other people just assuming intent.
Anyway, this is why, when a poster on this thread said he'd do the same thing, I said then you share the same character flaw - as I consider such. Obviously there are others who would do the same, but I like to think I wouldn't.
That's the thing henry, either way it's an admittance of a character flaw that I don't personally find condonable.
Flip the scenario completely round and it was haaland seeking retribution on Keane, and I doubt united fans would either to be honest.
I wouldn't condone it, situation reversed I could understand why he did it though.
Right, so everyone agrees then.
Is someone else saying they would do it to be taken as condoning it?
Because in the wrong circumstances I could see myself doing something I wouldn't condone, or is that actually a contradiction?
English expert required.
We will have to agree to disagree then because I can't.
If the following were to happen -
Haaland kicks Keanes heels sending him sprawling, but injures himself in the process
Keane, annoyed at being kicked petulantly, has a go at haaland, at the same time thinking he is masking the foul by pretending to be injured
Four years later, haaland has an opportunity in a tackle to slam his studs into Keanes knee as retribution.
I highly doubt many would say that Keane was in the wrong at all in that scenario. Bear in mind, throughout all of it, it's only been one players responsibility for both fouls.
"Is someone else saying they would do it to be taken as condoning it?"
Not necessarily - ie. I know what he did was wrong, but I understand why he did it and I may do the same thing in the same situation.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 5 minutes ago
"Is someone else saying they would do it to be taken as condoning it?"
Not necessarily - ie. I know what he did was wrong, but I understand why he did it and I may do the same thing in the same situation.
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I have no doubt what so ever that I would have done.
Melton I would say Keane was in the wrong to stand over him injured and have a go at him, the other wrongs would have been Haaland's though.
HC yeah that was my take.
Yeah, I know, is that actually Jay? He's normally a decent poster. But mention Keane (even in a positive light) and he goes a bit mental.
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I would just like to point out that I haven't made any comments on this thread until now Whoever you're referring to isn't me
"Melton I would say Keane was in the wrong to stand over him injured and have a go at him, the other wrongs would have been Haaland's though."
I would agree with that too, but how many times does a player feign injury after making a foul to try and escape punishment? That initial foul was a petulant kick on his part too!
I do still like Keane though, have to admit.
This is getting silly now.
How can anyone take Roy Keane seriously when he is talking about how other players/managers should conduct themselves?
Is he a role model for good behaviour now?
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Is it any wonder that every thread descends into shít.
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if theres an arsenal fan on the article, yes, it will descends into sh itt
United fans will make excuses for Keane whereas Chelsea fans will make excuses for Mourinho. Both are pretty indefensible though.
Agreed.
Mourinho's continued existence is totally indefensible.
Dont say that on the Chelsea board though. You'll get called bitter, jealous and all sorts of names. To them Mourinho is just a very good WUM lol. Or atleast thats what they tell themselves when they bury their heads in the sand regarding his cringey antics.
Keane on SAF
Roy Keane says ex-Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson was wrong to criticise his former players in his autobiography and would not be afraid "to have a go at him" if the two met.
Ferguson discussed differences with ex-United players Keane and David Beckham in the book published last year.
Keane left Old Trafford in November 2005, after falling out with Ferguson.
"I felt it was a bit harsh to criticise me or other players," Keane, 43, told Football Focus.
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The total hypocrassy of this clown knows no bounds.
comment by Mamba - Here's one for you to suck on - Real Sosobad (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Dont say that on the Chelsea board though. You'll get called bitter, jealous and all sorts of names. To them Mourinho is just a very good WUM lol. Or atleast thats what they tell themselves when they bury their heads in the sand regarding his cringey antics.
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I enjoy them
United fans will make excuses for Keane whereas Chelsea fans will make excuses for Mourinho. Both are pretty indefensible though.
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Not sure I agree. Keane was my favourite player but I think he is in the wrong. I have said previously that I don't have an issue with managers leaving games early if they want to. If they do then why not shake hands first? Would it be better if they left early without shaking hands? What's it to Keane when Jose decides to leave the ground? Why does he care? He just seems like on overly precious whingebag, frankly.
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posted on 10/10/14
I doubt many leg breaking tackles are done intentionally to break the other persons leg, it doesn't make the action itself any less reckless though.
I think people need to actually watch the tackle again, it was incredibly reckless regardless of the damage caused.
posted on 10/10/14
Yeah I did, very very aggressive. Would easily get an extended ban for it these days....
posted on 10/10/14
I agree melton but no more reckless, with no more malice and no more intent than we have seen on numerous occasions. The only difference here is the admission of intent by the protagonist. I certainly don't think that makes him any worse than any other player who has done similar but not owned up to the premeditated nature of their actions.
posted on 10/10/14
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 9 seconds ago
I agree melton but no more reckless, with no more malice and no more intent than we have seen on numerous occasions. The only difference here is the admission of intent by the protagonist. I certainly don't think that makes him any worse than any other player who has done similar but not owned up to the premeditated nature of their actions.
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posted on 10/10/14
Depends which account of Keanes you believe for me.
posted on 10/10/14
Its a shame really because Keane was such a great midfielder a real enforcer something that a lot of teams United included probably need
posted on 10/10/14
Although, normally it's other people just assuming intent.
Anyway, this is why, when a poster on this thread said he'd do the same thing, I said then you share the same character flaw - as I consider such. Obviously there are others who would do the same, but I like to think I wouldn't.
posted on 10/10/14
That's the thing henry, either way it's an admittance of a character flaw that I don't personally find condonable.
Flip the scenario completely round and it was haaland seeking retribution on Keane, and I doubt united fans would either to be honest.
posted on 10/10/14
I wouldn't condone it, situation reversed I could understand why he did it though.
posted on 10/10/14
Right, so everyone agrees then.
posted on 10/10/14
Is someone else saying they would do it to be taken as condoning it?
Because in the wrong circumstances I could see myself doing something I wouldn't condone, or is that actually a contradiction?
English expert required.
posted on 10/10/14
We will have to agree to disagree then because I can't.
If the following were to happen -
Haaland kicks Keanes heels sending him sprawling, but injures himself in the process
Keane, annoyed at being kicked petulantly, has a go at haaland, at the same time thinking he is masking the foul by pretending to be injured
Four years later, haaland has an opportunity in a tackle to slam his studs into Keanes knee as retribution.
I highly doubt many would say that Keane was in the wrong at all in that scenario. Bear in mind, throughout all of it, it's only been one players responsibility for both fouls.
posted on 10/10/14
"Is someone else saying they would do it to be taken as condoning it?"
Not necessarily - ie. I know what he did was wrong, but I understand why he did it and I may do the same thing in the same situation.
posted on 10/10/14
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 5 minutes ago
"Is someone else saying they would do it to be taken as condoning it?"
Not necessarily - ie. I know what he did was wrong, but I understand why he did it and I may do the same thing in the same situation.
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I have no doubt what so ever that I would have done.
posted on 10/10/14
Melton I would say Keane was in the wrong to stand over him injured and have a go at him, the other wrongs would have been Haaland's though.
HC yeah that was my take.
posted on 10/10/14
Yeah, I know, is that actually Jay? He's normally a decent poster. But mention Keane (even in a positive light) and he goes a bit mental.
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I would just like to point out that I haven't made any comments on this thread until now Whoever you're referring to isn't me
posted on 10/10/14
"Melton I would say Keane was in the wrong to stand over him injured and have a go at him, the other wrongs would have been Haaland's though."
I would agree with that too, but how many times does a player feign injury after making a foul to try and escape punishment? That initial foul was a petulant kick on his part too!
I do still like Keane though, have to admit.
posted on 10/10/14
This is getting silly now.
How can anyone take Roy Keane seriously when he is talking about how other players/managers should conduct themselves?
Is he a role model for good behaviour now?
posted on 10/10/14
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Is it any wonder that every thread descends into shít.
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if theres an arsenal fan on the article, yes, it will descends into sh itt
posted on 10/10/14
United fans will make excuses for Keane whereas Chelsea fans will make excuses for Mourinho. Both are pretty indefensible though.
posted on 10/10/14
Agreed.
Mourinho's continued existence is totally indefensible.
posted on 10/10/14
Dont say that on the Chelsea board though. You'll get called bitter, jealous and all sorts of names. To them Mourinho is just a very good WUM lol. Or atleast thats what they tell themselves when they bury their heads in the sand regarding his cringey antics.
posted on 10/10/14
Keane on SAF
Roy Keane says ex-Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson was wrong to criticise his former players in his autobiography and would not be afraid "to have a go at him" if the two met.
Ferguson discussed differences with ex-United players Keane and David Beckham in the book published last year.
Keane left Old Trafford in November 2005, after falling out with Ferguson.
"I felt it was a bit harsh to criticise me or other players," Keane, 43, told Football Focus.
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The total hypocrassy of this clown knows no bounds.
posted on 10/10/14
comment by Mamba - Here's one for you to suck on - Real Sosobad (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Dont say that on the Chelsea board though. You'll get called bitter, jealous and all sorts of names. To them Mourinho is just a very good WUM lol. Or atleast thats what they tell themselves when they bury their heads in the sand regarding his cringey antics.
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posted on 10/10/14
United fans will make excuses for Keane whereas Chelsea fans will make excuses for Mourinho. Both are pretty indefensible though.
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Not sure I agree. Keane was my favourite player but I think he is in the wrong. I have said previously that I don't have an issue with managers leaving games early if they want to. If they do then why not shake hands first? Would it be better if they left early without shaking hands? What's it to Keane when Jose decides to leave the ground? Why does he care? He just seems like on overly precious whingebag, frankly.
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