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The funny thing is I keep hearing take back control but we are actually losing control.

Most amusing
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You dont know that
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Can you tell me the things we can control after we exit the EU and then seek to be a part of the single market?
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trade with the 160+ other countries on earth

and our own laws and regs
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Trade what?
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aerospace and defence related goods, automotive goods, fashion, appliances, food, technology/software
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Superb, what percentage of these companies are British?

comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
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"Who is in the stronger position?"

neither/both

both sides have too much lose
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Ballacks

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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Boris wants a norway plus deal

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P.S.

Waiting for a response to this;

Quelle surprise, just like Boris and co

No clue

If you do not mind me asking, do you have a role that involves commercial negotiations?

In negotiations, who has the advantage, the person in a position of strength or the person in a position of weakness
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The EU needs our trade
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Who is in the stronger position?
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Does it matter when both really need each other?
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Yes it does, since the UK is a service driven economy it needs to sell its services to a significant market at ts door step.

So, who is in the stronger position I ask again.

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Again when 2 parties need each other, a deal will be made. Why would Merkel ignore german interests?
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A deal will be made and the person in the stronger position will benefit more from it.

This is not rocket science

Those who think that negotiations are some sort of fight about winning/losing have never been in any negotiations. There is no position of strength or weakness. Parties try to find common ground so that everyone in the negotiation WINS. Thats the only way any agreement lasts.

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comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
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"Who is in the stronger position?"

neither/both

both sides have too much lose
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Ballacks
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Wow

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 29 seconds ago
You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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go and check the relative importance of the UK vs norway and switzerland when it comes to EU trade.

we are the single biggest export market for EU goods, almost 1 in 6 (by value) of all EU goods are sold to the UK.

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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Boris wants a norway plus deal
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Did you hear what the EU said yesterday about the single market?

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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go and check the relative importance of the UK vs norway and switzerland when it comes to EU trade.

we are the single biggest export market for EU goods, almost 1 in 6 (by value) of all EU goods are sold to the UK.

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You realise the EU is currently in extensive negotiations with larger markets in the US and China, right?

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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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Boris wants a norway plus deal
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Did you hear what the EU said yesterday about the single market?
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Merkel will make sure German interests are protected

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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Boris wants a norway plus deal
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Did you hear what the EU said yesterday about the single market?
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Merkel will make sure German interests are protected
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Yeah, especially when she is told by Germans to stick 2 fingers up at us

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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Boris wants a norway plus deal
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Did you hear what the EU said yesterday about the single market?
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Merkel will make sure German interests are protected
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Yeah, especially when she is told by Germans to stick 2 fingers up at us
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DBI say otherwise

A deal will definitely be done but if you think we will tell the EU how we will access their single market, you are deluded

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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go and check the relative importance of the UK vs norway and switzerland when it comes to EU trade.

we are the single biggest export market for EU goods, almost 1 in 6 (by value) of all EU goods are sold to the UK.

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You realise the EU is currently in extensive negotiations with larger markets in the US and China, right?
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And you understand why its taking so long, right?

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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Boris wants a norway plus deal
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Did you hear what the EU said yesterday about the single market?
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Merkel will make sure German interests are protected
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Yeah, especially when she is told by Germans to stick 2 fingers up at us
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DBI say otherwise
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That comment was repudiated yesterday

And you understand why its taking so long, right?
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Indeed, which one do you think will be more beneficial to China and the US?

An extensive market of 27 different options are 1 option with higher operating costs?

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comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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Boris wants a norway plus deal
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Did you hear what the EU said yesterday about the single market?
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Merkel will make sure German interests are protected
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Yeah, especially when she is told by Germans to stick 2 fingers up at us
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DBI say otherwise
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That comment was repudiated yesterday
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Ill happily admit im wrong if we get a terrible deal but the EU needs us

Ill happily admit im wrong if we get a terrible deal but the EU needs us
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We will get the Norway deal, we already had a privileged position in the EU but we've spat in their faces.

Now, we all have linked economies but do not underestimate how petty leaders can be.

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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You can check with Norway and Switzerland what they negotiated with the EU

That's what Boris and co are suggesting.

What are the key features of those agreements for access to the single market?

Why should the UK be given preferential treatment after it spat on the EU even though it already had preferential treatment?
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go and check the relative importance of the UK vs norway and switzerland when it comes to EU trade.

we are the single biggest export market for EU goods, almost 1 in 6 (by value) of all EU goods are sold to the UK.

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You realise the EU is currently in extensive negotiations with larger markets in the US and China, right?
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I realise that the EU sells more goods to the UK than it does to the US (and far more than it does to China).

Yes, of course they are larger markets, but right now they are not more important markets. So the EU will negotiate a sensible deal with the UK because it cannot afford not to (whereas it could have afforded it with Norway for instance).

But I love the idea that this wonderful institution, being lauded for its concerns for workers rights, and ensuring the safety of tap water across the continent, is also being pushed as a body that will refuse to make a sensible trade deal with its single largest export market (which would cost millions of people across Europe their jobs), just to teach them a lesson.

(which would cost millions of people across Europe their jobs), just to teach them a lesson.
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We've done it to our own people, so it is possible

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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Ill happily admit im wrong if we get a terrible deal but the EU needs us
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We will get the Norway deal, we already had a privileged position in the EU but we've spat in their faces.

Now, we all have linked economies but do not underestimate how petty leaders can be.
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We will get a better deal than norway. How much better is the argument

Anyway. Heading home

Good debate.

Laters

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
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Ill happily admit im wrong if we get a terrible deal but the EU needs us
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We will get the Norway deal, we already had a privileged position in the EU but we've spat in their faces.

Now, we all have linked economies but do not underestimate how petty leaders can be.
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i'd like to think the EU can tell the difference between a referendum and a unilateral decision of the UK government to exit the EU.

Because by "we have spat in their faces" you mean than 17m people have voted to exit the EU?

We will get the Norway deal, we already had a privileged position in the EU but we've spat in their faces.

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No we have not. We have decided that we do not want to be part of their Superstate.

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Now, we all have linked economies but do not underestimate how petty leaders can be.

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If it is in their interest to be petty, I am sure they will be. If it isn't they will not be.

The stumbling block is the free movement of labour.

Why do they see this as so important to their Dream.