comment by I want a Manè but can't grow my ha... (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
The Independent states that four in ten voters want a second referendum after negotiations have been completed, and if the vote is against then we stay in the EU.

So 40% is actually less than voted to stay in, yet it's their leading story, and they've written it as if it's a landslide victory for remain.

Large aspects of Remain are clearly going to stop at nothing to get the result reversed. That will be the end of this country. Instead of merely shocking the rest of the world, they'll all be laughing at us.
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I do not have a problem with having another one myself, as long as we are offered something new from the EU.

If they made concessions on immigration - maybe a cap based on a formula made up of houses built, school places or the like - then I would have no problem with it as it is an issue, and probably would have made us vote Remain if addressed.

It would not change my vote, but I think it would sate the majority

comment by shinji: Hafi sans stats (U1700)
posted 24 minutes ago
That will level out though Melton will it not?

Genuine question, I am far from a politics expert.
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Well, no. It means that the Bank of England will need to pump more money in (as they have done already) to keep the shares from going too low. It also means that the tax payer will have to subsidise them more.

We're in a slightly better position than we could have been due to the amount of reserve capital, but dividend payouts simply won't happen and there won't be the money to lend. That and pensions will take a hit.

The impact of it is more than just the asset value.

comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Science (U19684)
posted 39 minutes ago
The world probably finds it more funny that a voting majority in the UK was completely conned by people so ashamed at what they've done to the country they've already done a political runner.
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Ronnie Campbell - Blyth Valley
John Cryer - Leyton and Wanstead
Frank Field - Birkenhead
Roger Godsiff - Birmingham Hall Green
Kate Hoey - Vauxhall
Kelvin Hopkins - Luton North
John Mann - Bassetlaw
Dennis Skinner - Bolsover
Graham Stringer - Blackley and Broughton
Gisela Stuart - Birmingham Edgbaston
Nigel Adams - Selby and Ainsty
Adam Afriyie - Windsor
Lucy Allan - Telford
David Amess - Southend West
Stuart Andrew - Pudsey
Caroline Ansell - Eastbourne
Richard Bacon - Norfolk South
Steven Baker - Wycombe
Stephen Barclay - North East Cambridgeshire
John Baron - Basildon and Billericay
Henry Bellingham - North West Norfolk
Andrew Bingham - High Peak
Bob Blackman - Harrow East
Crispin Blunt - Reigate
Peter Bone - Wellingborough
Victoria Borwick - Kensington
Graham Brady - Altrincham and Sale West
Julian Brazier - Canterbury
Andrew Bridgen - Leicestershire North West
Fiona Bruce - Congleton
Conor Burns - Bournemouth West
David Burrowes - Enfield, Southgate
Bill Cash - Stone
Maria Caulfield - Lewes
Rehman Chishti - Gillingham and Rainham
Christopher Chope - Christchurch
James Cleverly - Braintree
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown - The Cotswolds
Geoffrey Cox - Devon West and Torridge
Christopher Davies - Brecon and Radnorshire
David Davies - Monmouth
Glyn Davies - Montgomeryshire
James Davies - Vale of Clwyd
Mims Davies - Eastleigh
Philip Davies - Shipley
David Davis - Haltemprice and Howden
Nadine Dorries - Bedfordshire Mid
Steve Double - St Austell and Newquay
Richard Drax - Dorset South
James Duddridge - Rochford and Southend East
Iain Duncan Smith - Chingford and Wood Green
George Eustice - Camborne and Redruth
Nigel Evans - Ribble Valley
Michael Fabricant - Lichfield
Suella Fernandes - Fareham
Dr Liam Fox - Somerset North
Mark Francois - Rayleigh and Wickford
Richard Fuller - Bedford and Kempston
Marcus Fysh - Yeovil
Nusrat Ghani - Wealden
Cheryl Gillan - Chesham and Amersham
Zac Goldsmith - Richmond Park and North Kingston
James Gray - Wiltshire North
Chris Green - Bolton West
Rebecca Harris - Castle Point
John Hayes - South Holland and The Deepings
Chris Heaton-Harris - Daventry
Gordon Henderson - Sittingbourne and Sheppey
Philip Hollobone - Kettering
Adam Holloway - Gravesham
Gerald Howarth - Aldershot
Stewart Jackson - Peterborough
Ranil Jayawardena - Hampshire North East
Bernard Jenkin - Harwich and Essex North
Andrea Jenkyns - Morley and Outwood
Gareth Johnson - Dartford
David Jones - Clwyd West
Daniel Kawczynski - Shrewsbury and Atcham
Greg Knight - Yorkshire East
Kwasi Kwarteng - Spelthorne
Andrea Leadsom - Northamptonshire South
Edward Leigh - Gainsborough
Charlotte Leslie - Bristol NW
Julian Lewis - New Forest East
Peter Lilley - Hitchin and Harpenden
Jack Lopresti- Filton, Bradley and Stoke
Jonathan Lord (Con, Woking
Tim Loughton - Worthing East and Shoreham
Karen Lumley - Redditch
Craig Mackinlay - Thanet South
Anne Main - St Albans
Kit Malthouse - North West Hampshire
Scott Mann - Cornwall North
Paul Maynard - Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Karl McCartney - Lincoln
Jason McCartney - Colne Valley
Stephen McPartland - Stevenage
Stephen Metcalfe - Basildon South and Thurrock East
Nigel Mills - Amber Valley
Penny Mordaunt - Portsmouth North
Anne-Marie Morris - Newton Abbot
Sheryll Murray - Cornwall South East
Andrew Murrison - Wiltshire South West
David Nuttall - Bury North
Matthew Offord - Hendon
Owen Paterson - Shropshire North
Mike Penning - Hemel Hempstead
Andrew Percy - Brigg and Goole
Stephen Phillips - Sleaford and North Hykeham
Christopher Pincher - Tamworth
Tom Pursglove - Corby
Will Quince - Colchester
Dominic Raab - Esher and Walton
John Redwood - Wokingham
Jacob Rees-Mogg - Somerset North East
Laurence Robertson - Tewkesbury
Andrew Rosindell - Romford
Paul Scully - Sutton and Cheam
Henry Smith - Crawley
Royston Smith - Southampton Itchen
Andrew Stephenson - Pendle
Bob Stewart - Beckenham
Iain Stewart - Milton Keynes South
Julian Sturdy - York Outer
Rishi Sunak - Richmond, North Yorkshire
Desmond Swayne - New Forest West
Robert Syms - Poole
Derek Thomas - St Ives
Justin Tomlinson - North Swindon
Michael Tomlinson - Mid Dorset and North Poole
Craig Tracey - Warwickshire North
Anne-Marie Trevelyan - Berwick-upon-Tweed
Andrew Turner - Isle of Wight
Martin Vickers - Cleethorpes
Charles Walker - Broxbourne
David Warburton - Somerton and Frome
James Wharton - Stockton South
Heather Wheeler - Derbyshire South
Bill Wiggin - Herefordshire North
Mike Wood - Dudley South
William Wragg - Hazel Grove
Nadhim Zahawi - Stratford-upon-Avon




Tell me which of those MPs have "ran for the hill"?
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probably none, they are just all a bit clueless really

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comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Science (U19684)
posted 39 minutes ago
The world probably finds it more funny that a voting majority in the UK was completely conned by people so ashamed at what they've done to the country they've already done a political runner.
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Tell me which of those MPs have "ran for the hill"?
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Tell me how many of those MPs will be associated with the leave campaign when people think of them.

In fact don't tell me, I'll tell you.

None.

They may have backed it but they weren't the faces of the campaign. The faces of the campaign were Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.

Boris Johnson looks like he's aged 20 years from the guilt and Farage has gone off to take full advantage of the increases in corporate welfare that the piece of human slime George Osbourne has already mooted.

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can help but think that the vote leave result has had a good effect of engaging the youth in politics more.
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To an extent I agree. It depends where they get their information from, as it does with anyone. The Internet, whilst allowing them access to more information than ever before, has also made it far more difficult to separate the fact from the fiction. One (incorrect) fact on social media can spread like wildfire and have a far greater influence than it should nowadays.

Nigel Farage is not even an MP.

What would he be expected to do right now as leader of UKIP (just one MP) that he could not anyway?

Should Boris have gone for it if he knew there would be a spiteful backlash against him from Tory remain MPs? To risk running a party like Corbyn is having to?

Lets see how the Leadership battle goes. We have one candidate who was 100% a Leaver. Boris may well get a senior position in either cabinet, whoever wins.

Until that is settled, we have no negotiations to run away from. When that time comes, then we can dissect

I'd be highly surprised if May doesn't win.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can help but think that the vote leave result has had a good effect of engaging the youth in politics more.
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To an extent I agree. It depends where they get their information from, as it does with anyone. The Internet, whilst allowing them access to more information than ever before, has also made it far more difficult to separate the fact from the fiction. One (incorrect) fact on social media can spread like wildfire and have a far greater influence than it should nowadays.

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Without the internet or free press the genuine information may have not been accessible at all.

If the papers and news are run by people with an agenda (which they usually are) then you're only going to get biased/wrong information from them.

And that's where it depends what you read, I was talking more about social media though as newspaper circulation is at its lowest in years.

I always read the opposite of what I think in the papers, as it's the only way I personally can come to a proper opinion.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
I'd be highly surprised if May doesn't win.
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Yeah, I agree.

Leadsom has not run away though, as has been implied of everyone involved in Leave. She has put herself out there.

As I said, there are no negotiations to run from as yet. Once the new lady is in place, then we start down that route

Fecking hell Ron nitpicking is beneath you

I knew you would come back with bbbbbut.. Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage.

Not even MP's. They were the face of the leave campaign because BBC, ITV and Sky all believed that chucking Boris and Nigel in your face would put off Leave voters, when in fact it did the opposite. IDS and Gove were both as prominent but neither of those ran away.

Just because you didn't see them on TV getting off a bus doesn't mean they weren't campaigning locally, like all good MPs do.

Andrea Leadsome is now campaigning to be Prime Minister for Christ sake.

This idea that the Leavers have done a runner is complete bol|ocks.

comment by Ross Turnbull has a Champions League medal (U3522)
posted 3 minutes ago
Fecking hell Ron nitpicking is beneath you
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Honestly, when a statement is categorically wrong, i really have to.

comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Ross Turnbull has a Champions League medal (U3522)
posted 3 minutes ago
Fecking hell Ron nitpicking is beneath you
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Honestly, when a statement is categorically wrong, i really have to.
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Kind of off topic but I wish David Nuttall had done a runner. The guy's a fecking eejit.

Boris is an MP, though, not that Science explicitly said MPS were deserting.

Leadsom could end up as Chancellor

Who were the ones who peddled and put their face to the false promises that are already unravelling?

Do you mean George Osborne? And the Emergency Budget/£30bn increase in taxes and spending cuts?

comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 1 minute ago
Do you mean George Osborne? And the Emergency Budget/£30bn increase in taxes and spending cuts?
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So you don't think there's going to be a revised budget and more spending cuts as the UK ecomomy slumps? With a Tory gov in charge who are determined to give out even more in the way of corporate handouts, where is this extra money going to come from exactly?

They did say there would be an emergency budget, where is it?

comment by Science (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 1 minute ago
Do you mean George Osborne? And the Emergency Budget/£30bn increase in taxes and spending cuts?
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So you don't think there's going to be a revised budget and more spending cuts as the UK ecomomy slumps? With a Tory gov in charge who are determined to give out even more in the way of corporate handouts, where is this extra money going to come from exactly?
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Yes I do think there will be a revised budget, because clearly circumstances have changed. That does not confirm George Osbournes OTT pre-Brexit scaremongering anymore so than saying "well some of the money we spend on the EU will go to the NHS" when responding to the NHS 'promise' you enjoy referring to.

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 47 minutes ago
Nigel Farage is not even an MP.

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He wanted to be, but couldn't win his own seat.

Despite not being an MP he put himself central to the debate. He was vociferously anti-immigration that resonated with many leave voters.

But here's the thing, as you say, Farage is not an MP - why was he campaigning so hard for this, was it out of the goodness of his heart?

Why was anyone who's not an mp campaigning so hard for it?

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comment by Science (U19684)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 1 minute ago
Do you mean George Osborne? And the Emergency Budget/£30bn increase in taxes and spending cuts?
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So you don't think there's going to be a revised budget and more spending cuts as the UK ecomomy slumps? With a Tory gov in charge who are determined to give out even more in the way of corporate handouts, where is this extra money going to come from exactly?
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The spending cuts that we're going to be done anyway, but can now be blamed on Brexit?