Red what answer did you want about farage you never answered, you said the 4 main points of his didn't count so what does?

Yeah and EU citizens need the ID card to travel between the countries, we will need a passport. Not really much difference.

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted about a minute ago
Laws, borders, rights, courts

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Laws - we always had control, we could veto EU legislation.

Borders - we always had control, only the UK border force controls our borders. U.K. Citizens didn't object to being able to retire, live and work all over Europe.

Rights - what do you mean by "rights" ?

Courts - courts uphold laws, which is mentioned above

So yeah, what do you mean by rights? We had more rights than we've ever had as part of the EU - do explain further.. Cheers

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted about a minute ago
Laws, borders, rights, courts

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Laws - we always had control, we could veto EU legislation.

Borders - we always had control, only the UK border force controls our borders. U.K. Citizens didn't object to being able to retire, live and work all over Europe.

Rights - what do you mean by "rights" ?

Courts - courts uphold laws, which is mentioned above

So yeah, what do you mean by rights? We had more rights than we've ever had as part of the EU - do explain further.. Cheers
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So farage never once mentioned any of them?

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted less than a minute ago
Yeah and EU citizens need the ID card to travel between the countries, we will need a passport. Not really much difference.
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Ive been saying that for ages but somehow never got through

Just because you veto EU legislation doesn't mean its not going through

We as a country can create our own human rights

We can have all of our court processes in our country

These were some of the arguments of leave, you say this isn't true...

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted less than a minute ago
Yeah and EU citizens need the ID card to travel between the countries, we will need a passport. Not really much difference.
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Ive been saying that for ages but somehow never got through

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Ah great, Dumb and Dumber (you can decide between yourselves on who's who) on the same point.

You don't need an ID card to travel between the countries if you go via road. There are no border controls between schengen countries.

You can drive from France all the way to Greece without being stopped.

Maybe you didn't know this, but you should have researched before making a point of "EU citizens need the ID card to travel between the countries"

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted about a minute ago
Laws, borders, rights, courts

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Laws - we always had control, we could veto EU legislation.

Borders - we always had control, only the UK border force controls our borders. U.K. Citizens didn't object to being able to retire, live and work all over Europe.

Rights - what do you mean by "rights" ?

Courts - courts uphold laws, which is mentioned above

So yeah, what do you mean by rights? We had more rights than we've ever had as part of the EU - do explain further.. Cheers

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What do you mean by rights ... you've not answered Digby

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted about a minute ago
Laws, borders, rights, courts

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Laws - we always had control, we could veto EU legislation.

Borders - we always had control, only the UK border force controls our borders. U.K. Citizens didn't object to being able to retire, live and work all over Europe.

Rights - what do you mean by "rights" ?

Courts - courts uphold laws, which is mentioned above

So yeah, what do you mean by rights? We had more rights than we've ever had as part of the EU - do explain further.. Cheers

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What do you mean by rights ... you've not answered Digby
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These are Farages views, you asked for them, they are there. You deny these are were why he wanted to leave the eu. So why did he? Answer this instead of trying to move on as your point has backfired

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted less than a minute ago
Yeah and EU citizens need the ID card to travel between the countries, we will need a passport. Not really much difference.
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Ive been saying that for ages but somehow never got through

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Ah great, Dumb and Dumber (you can decide between yourselves on who's who) on the same point.

You don't need an ID card to travel between the countries if you go via road. There are no border controls between schengen countries.

You can drive from France all the way to Greece without being stopped.

Maybe you didn't know this, but you should have researched before making a point of "EU citizens need the ID card to travel between the countries"
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it's irrelevant anyway, when people talk about control of our borders it's to do with freedom of movement and us having zero control on the numbers who enter from the EU. Nothing to do with passports or visas or ID cards.

Hey Jon, what does Dave think of the colour red

Dave doesn't like it

Why don't you like it Jon come on explain?!

Just because you veto EU legislation doesn't mean its not going through
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The UK has voted for 96% of EU legislation.

The U.K. vetoed the plan to put tariffs on Chinese steel, and guess what, the plan didn't go ahead. (Scuppered the British steel industry with Chinese steel swamping europe but at least we had control of the legislation right?)

There are no border controls between schengen countries.
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There's not meant to be but countries have imposed their own borders because of the refugee crisis, another example of the mess the EU is in.

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted about a minute ago
Laws, borders, rights, courts

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Laws - we always had control, we could veto EU legislation.

Borders - we always had control, only the UK border force controls our borders. U.K. Citizens didn't object to being able to retire, live and work all over Europe.

Rights - what do you mean by "rights" ?

Courts - courts uphold laws, which is mentioned above

So yeah, what do you mean by rights? We had more rights than we've ever had as part of the EU - do explain further.. Cheers

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What do you mean by rights ... you've not answered Digby
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These are Farages views

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So which of those views had a leg to stand on in your opinion?

So you accept these are why farage wanted to leave now?

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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
A line trotted out quite often is about foreigners coming here and getting housing and social benefit. Does anyone know what is available in other EU states?

For example if I went to Spain, Germany or Poland, would I be entitled to the same treatment as the Spanish, German and Poles get in the UK?


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You're entitled to, or were, the same benefits in those countries as a French/Spanish/Polish national. You're also entitled to, with the EHIC card, healthcare which is invariably more expensive than NHS treatment.

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
So you accept these are why farage wanted to leave now
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Those reasons (despite being unsound) were part of his campaign, the question of why he campaigned so vociferously despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side is still not answered.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
So you accept these are why farage wanted to leave now
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Those reasons (despite being unsound) were part of his campaign, the question of why he campaigned so vociferously despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side is still not answered.
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Its been answered , move on

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
A line trotted out quite often is about foreigners coming here and getting housing and social benefit. Does anyone know what is available in other EU states?

For example if I went to Spain, Germany or Poland, would I be entitled to the same treatment as the Spanish, German and Poles get in the UK?

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Was this a serious question?

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
So you accept these are why farage wanted to leave now
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Those reasons (despite being unsound) were part of his campaign, the question of why he campaigned so vociferously despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side is still not answered.
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OK what is the answer, you are clearly smarter than everyone here, if you know whats wrong you must know whats right?

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
So you accept these are why farage wanted to leave now
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Those reasons (despite being unsound) were part of his campaign, the question of why he campaigned so vociferously despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side is still not answered.
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doesn't need an answer, you don't need to be an MP or part of the official vote leave in order to campaign.

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comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
So you accept these are why farage wanted to leave now
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Those reasons (despite being unsound) were part of his campaign, the question of why he campaigned so vociferously despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side is still not answered.
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OK what is the answer, you are clearly smarter than everyone here, if you know whats wrong you must know whats right?
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The question was why was he campaigning as vociferously as he did to leave the EU despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side.

It's not that he couldn't/ shouldn't, but why did he? There were plenty campaigning, but how many embarked on a billboard campaign as vociferously as Farage?

He certainly influenced people, as De Gea's Legs "take back control" post shows.

He shirked accountability saying he's not an MP or part of vote leave, and has now left UKIP with the U.K. still in the EU.

So why did he want to leave the EU and campaign as hard as he did on unsound principles?

Couldn't be self interest could it?

I admit I don't know what would be, but I imagine it wouldn't be very balanced or maybe more would take advantage of the situation. I think this kind of imbalance is where many feel aggrieved. Whether it is correct or not people without sufficient housing see foreign nationals getting the perks of the UK somewhat irksome, when they cannot get the same in the other countries
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What wouldn't be very balanced?