I've seen this argument before about leavers blaming immigration when the real problem is the banks milking it and companies evading tax etc. The two things have nothing to do with each other, they both need to be addressed. tax evasion and financial corruption wasn't relevant to the EU debate, immigration was because of freedom of movement rules.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
I've seen this argument before about leavers blaming immigration when the real problem is the banks milking it and companies evading tax etc. The two things have nothing to do with each other, they both need to be addressed. tax evasion and financial corruption wasn't relevant to the EU debate, immigration was because of freedom of movement rules.
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I disagree and evidence suggests you are wrong mate.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule and not every brexiter voted out of racism or immigration
However in times of austerity immigrants have always been the scapegoats throughout the world.
Always the cause is something else eg corrupt govt etc or bankers as we saw recently.
In the main the masses are stupid sheeple.
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
The whining remainers should realise that they have lost.
Peoples reasons for voting to leave are their own and all the cosmopolitan reasoning about why is just a waste of time.
Lies, lies and damned statistics. a well known quote.
Remain tried to cloud our judgement with statistics, all the lies spouted by both sides were disputed by the opposition, it was a debate and people are capable of believing which side on balance was the best option for our way forward as a country.
So out is out.
IMO for what it is worth we should just repeal the 1972 European Community Act and have done with it.
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
****
you do realise that this statement says much more about you than Farage dont you?
What do you think it says about me then.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3681708/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-IMF-truth-broken-EU.html#ixzz4DuRWVooH
Highlights some of the issues with the EU the remainers tend to forget about.
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 49 minutes ago
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
****
you do realise that this statement says much more about you than Farage dont you?
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Anyone who thinks Farage is a hero I would probably describe as unstable, or crazy.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 49 minutes ago
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
****
you do realise that this statement says much more about you than Farage dont you?
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Anyone who thinks Farage is a hero I would probably describe as unstable, or crazy.
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And incredibly stupid.
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 35 minutes ago
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3681708/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-IMF-truth-broken-EU.html#ixzz4DuRWVooH
Highlights some of the issues with the EU the remainers tend to forget about.
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Jesus Christ! You really are spoonfed garbage that you just lap up. First of all, any idea who the journalist is in that piece you've linked? No ? That's because there is no journalist, it's not a journalistic report, it's prefaced with 'comment'. It's a comment from somebody posted on the daily mail site.
That IMF report that it references was largely a report on the EU and possible effects Brexit would have on the EU.
That report is here :
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2016/pr16326.htm
1) it reads in no way as sensationally as that comment does
2) it's lucky that the UK has not left the EU so those effects aren't felt.
Also, if you are attributing considerable stock in IMF reports you should also for balance place considerable stock in this report again from the IMF
https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2016/car061716a.htm
"The IMF explored the potential impact of uncertainty on U.K. growth during the post-Brexit transition in two illustrative scenarios, referred to as the limited scenario and the adverse scenario (Chart 2). In both cases, the impact on output and employment could be significantly negative due to higher uncertainty. The longer this uncertainty persists, and the less advantageous the outcome of trade negotiations for the U.K., the larger are these short- and medium-run costs."
Experts eh?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 9 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
So Farage loves the EU really, but he's been campaigning against it for decades for his own self interest, even though he's now quit as party leader and will lose his high paying job as MEP.
And remain are supposed to be the intelligent side...
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What are you on about here?
Farage is campaigning out of self interest, he has walked away from his role at UKIP, in securing what he wanted.
Farage by trade, worked in the city - financial markets.
The EU legislature has by and large put checks and controls over financial instruments to ensure they are fair and protect against malfeasance, continue to do so to ensure that firms are not "too big to fail" and require government bail outs.
British government backed the uk banks to the tune of £500bn.
Where did it get the money from? Me and you, the tax payer, the man on the street facing austerity.
The ordinary man and families are paying a triple bill for a crisis they have no responsibility for: as job holders who are facing unemployment; as taxpayers who are facing higher taxes for less public sector services; and as parents who are facing less quality in education and training for their children.
All to prop up bankers that got greedy, and needed rescuing.
They want to limit legislation onto themselves so they can continue being greedy. They hate the fact that people have more rights due to EU legislation. Eg money people are getting back from PPI or similar is due in part to the Consumer Credit Directive (EU statute)
So, while Farages points the finger at immigrants, with phrases like "breaking point" "take back control" "put the great into Great Britain" he's taking all the eyes off the issue.
The government have had to bail out the banks, and put the rest of the populous onto austerity measures. As the public get angry, disenfranchised, up pops a man in a cream linen suit and Union Jack shoes to point at the immigrants..
He walks away into the sunset, leaving you with those "phrases" and little more.
Yet the leave voters think they have some sort of victory, when all that's happened is they've been duped.
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Nailed it. Chumps like 8bit and Sir Digby can't see that all the brexit has done is give more power to the people who are ruining the country...
Vote them out at the next election then
And saying Farage is acting out of self interest for big business and banks is rubbish when almost all big businesses wanted to stay in and share prices in banks dropped more than anything else.
Could someone point out to me what has actually changed with Farage resigning as UKIP leader?
What can he not do now in terms of Brexit that he could do previously?
Like him or not, he has not left politics. He is still an MEP - his accountable, elected political position - and will be until we leave the bloc.
Nailed it. Chumps like 8bit and Sir Digby can't see that all the brexit has done is give more power to the people who are ruining the country..
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Such as?
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 34 minutes ago
Nailed it. Chumps like 8bit and Sir Digby can't see that all the brexit has done is give more power to the people who are ruining the country..
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Such as?
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How much more power can they have? These same people have been doing whatever they please whilst we're in the EU, to start blaming Brexit is pathetic.
It's all the remain people seem to do now, blame Brexit
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
So when parties lose elections, they no longer have a voice?
Someone needs to tell democracy that.
Can I ask the brexiteers what model will be used to engage with the EU?
Still waiting for some plans you know
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted about 16 hours ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 49 minutes ago
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
****
you do realise that this statement says much more about you than Farage dont you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyone who thinks Farage is a hero I would probably describe as unstable, or crazy.
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And incredibly stupid.
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Monumentally stupid
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 14 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
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surprise surprise groovy voted out. he never did have a clue about anything i suppose.
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 47 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691
Ian Hislop has it spot on
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 47 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691
Ian Hislop has it spot on
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Making an arguement, fine. Whinging like a bunch of cry babies like most of the comments on here, less so.
Pro remain MPs for the tories and labour look to create a new centrist party
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 47 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691
Ian Hislop has it spot on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Making an arguement, fine. Whinging like a bunch of cry babies like most of the comments on here, less so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's dismissive and you know it. I've seen plenty of sound arguments made about immigration, the economy etc etc.
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 47 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691
Ian Hislop has it spot on
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Making an arguement, fine. Whinging like a bunch of cry babies like most of the comments on here, less so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's dismissive and you know it. I've seen plenty of sound arguments made about immigration, the economy etc etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those arguments failed to win the referendum though, unlike a general election this is a one time vote.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says he "probably would" support a motion to hold Tony Blair in contempt of Parliament over the Iraq War
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posted on 9/7/16
I've seen this argument before about leavers blaming immigration when the real problem is the banks milking it and companies evading tax etc. The two things have nothing to do with each other, they both need to be addressed. tax evasion and financial corruption wasn't relevant to the EU debate, immigration was because of freedom of movement rules.
posted on 9/7/16
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
I've seen this argument before about leavers blaming immigration when the real problem is the banks milking it and companies evading tax etc. The two things have nothing to do with each other, they both need to be addressed. tax evasion and financial corruption wasn't relevant to the EU debate, immigration was because of freedom of movement rules.
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I disagree and evidence suggests you are wrong mate.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule and not every brexiter voted out of racism or immigration
However in times of austerity immigrants have always been the scapegoats throughout the world.
Always the cause is something else eg corrupt govt etc or bankers as we saw recently.
In the main the masses are stupid sheeple.
posted on 9/7/16
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
The whining remainers should realise that they have lost.
Peoples reasons for voting to leave are their own and all the cosmopolitan reasoning about why is just a waste of time.
Lies, lies and damned statistics. a well known quote.
Remain tried to cloud our judgement with statistics, all the lies spouted by both sides were disputed by the opposition, it was a debate and people are capable of believing which side on balance was the best option for our way forward as a country.
So out is out.
IMO for what it is worth we should just repeal the 1972 European Community Act and have done with it.
posted on 9/7/16
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
****
you do realise that this statement says much more about you than Farage dont you?
posted on 9/7/16
What do you think it says about me then.
posted on 9/7/16
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3681708/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-IMF-truth-broken-EU.html#ixzz4DuRWVooH
Highlights some of the issues with the EU the remainers tend to forget about.
posted on 9/7/16
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 49 minutes ago
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
****
you do realise that this statement says much more about you than Farage dont you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyone who thinks Farage is a hero I would probably describe as unstable, or crazy.
posted on 9/7/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 49 minutes ago
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
****
you do realise that this statement says much more about you than Farage dont you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyone who thinks Farage is a hero I would probably describe as unstable, or crazy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And incredibly stupid.
posted on 9/7/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 35 minutes ago
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3681708/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-IMF-truth-broken-EU.html#ixzz4DuRWVooH
Highlights some of the issues with the EU the remainers tend to forget about.
--------------
Jesus Christ! You really are spoonfed garbage that you just lap up. First of all, any idea who the journalist is in that piece you've linked? No ? That's because there is no journalist, it's not a journalistic report, it's prefaced with 'comment'. It's a comment from somebody posted on the daily mail site.
That IMF report that it references was largely a report on the EU and possible effects Brexit would have on the EU.
That report is here :
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2016/pr16326.htm
1) it reads in no way as sensationally as that comment does
2) it's lucky that the UK has not left the EU so those effects aren't felt.
Also, if you are attributing considerable stock in IMF reports you should also for balance place considerable stock in this report again from the IMF
https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2016/car061716a.htm
"The IMF explored the potential impact of uncertainty on U.K. growth during the post-Brexit transition in two illustrative scenarios, referred to as the limited scenario and the adverse scenario (Chart 2). In both cases, the impact on output and employment could be significantly negative due to higher uncertainty. The longer this uncertainty persists, and the less advantageous the outcome of trade negotiations for the U.K., the larger are these short- and medium-run costs."
Experts eh?
posted on 10/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 9 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
So Farage loves the EU really, but he's been campaigning against it for decades for his own self interest, even though he's now quit as party leader and will lose his high paying job as MEP.
And remain are supposed to be the intelligent side...
--------------
What are you on about here?
Farage is campaigning out of self interest, he has walked away from his role at UKIP, in securing what he wanted.
Farage by trade, worked in the city - financial markets.
The EU legislature has by and large put checks and controls over financial instruments to ensure they are fair and protect against malfeasance, continue to do so to ensure that firms are not "too big to fail" and require government bail outs.
British government backed the uk banks to the tune of £500bn.
Where did it get the money from? Me and you, the tax payer, the man on the street facing austerity.
The ordinary man and families are paying a triple bill for a crisis they have no responsibility for: as job holders who are facing unemployment; as taxpayers who are facing higher taxes for less public sector services; and as parents who are facing less quality in education and training for their children.
All to prop up bankers that got greedy, and needed rescuing.
They want to limit legislation onto themselves so they can continue being greedy. They hate the fact that people have more rights due to EU legislation. Eg money people are getting back from PPI or similar is due in part to the Consumer Credit Directive (EU statute)
So, while Farages points the finger at immigrants, with phrases like "breaking point" "take back control" "put the great into Great Britain" he's taking all the eyes off the issue.
The government have had to bail out the banks, and put the rest of the populous onto austerity measures. As the public get angry, disenfranchised, up pops a man in a cream linen suit and Union Jack shoes to point at the immigrants..
He walks away into the sunset, leaving you with those "phrases" and little more.
Yet the leave voters think they have some sort of victory, when all that's happened is they've been duped.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nailed it. Chumps like 8bit and Sir Digby can't see that all the brexit has done is give more power to the people who are ruining the country...
posted on 10/7/16
Vote them out at the next election then
posted on 10/7/16
And saying Farage is acting out of self interest for big business and banks is rubbish when almost all big businesses wanted to stay in and share prices in banks dropped more than anything else.
posted on 10/7/16
Could someone point out to me what has actually changed with Farage resigning as UKIP leader?
What can he not do now in terms of Brexit that he could do previously?
Like him or not, he has not left politics. He is still an MEP - his accountable, elected political position - and will be until we leave the bloc.
posted on 10/7/16
Nailed it. Chumps like 8bit and Sir Digby can't see that all the brexit has done is give more power to the people who are ruining the country..
------------------------
Such as?
posted on 10/7/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 34 minutes ago
Nailed it. Chumps like 8bit and Sir Digby can't see that all the brexit has done is give more power to the people who are ruining the country..
------------------------
Such as?
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How much more power can they have? These same people have been doing whatever they please whilst we're in the EU, to start blaming Brexit is pathetic.
It's all the remain people seem to do now, blame Brexit
posted on 10/7/16
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
posted on 10/7/16
So when parties lose elections, they no longer have a voice?
Someone needs to tell democracy that.
Can I ask the brexiteers what model will be used to engage with the EU?
Still waiting for some plans you know
posted on 10/7/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted about 16 hours ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 49 minutes ago
Farage got what he spent 17 years of his life to achieve.
The man is a true hero in my eyes.
****
you do realise that this statement says much more about you than Farage dont you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyone who thinks Farage is a hero I would probably describe as unstable, or crazy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And incredibly stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Monumentally stupid
posted on 10/7/16
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 14 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
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surprise surprise groovy voted out. he never did have a clue about anything i suppose.
posted on 10/7/16
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 47 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691
Ian Hislop has it spot on
posted on 10/7/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 47 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691
Ian Hislop has it spot on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Making an arguement, fine. Whinging like a bunch of cry babies like most of the comments on here, less so.
posted on 10/7/16
Pro remain MPs for the tories and labour look to create a new centrist party
posted on 10/7/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 47 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691
Ian Hislop has it spot on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Making an arguement, fine. Whinging like a bunch of cry babies like most of the comments on here, less so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's dismissive and you know it. I've seen plenty of sound arguments made about immigration, the economy etc etc.
posted on 10/7/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 47 minutes ago
Remain you lost it's time you moved on and accepted the peoples choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691
Ian Hislop has it spot on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Making an arguement, fine. Whinging like a bunch of cry babies like most of the comments on here, less so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's dismissive and you know it. I've seen plenty of sound arguments made about immigration, the economy etc etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those arguments failed to win the referendum though, unlike a general election this is a one time vote.
posted on 10/7/16
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says he "probably would" support a motion to hold Tony Blair in contempt of Parliament over the Iraq War
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