OK after an hour we have an answer!!! What self interest do you think it was?
Considering he based his whole political career around this one point its not shocking he took interest it it?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
So you accept these are why farage wanted to leave now
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Those reasons (despite being unsound) were part of his campaign, the question of why he campaigned so vociferously despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side is still not answered.
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OK what is the answer, you are clearly smarter than everyone here, if you know whats wrong you must know whats right?
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The question was why was he campaigning as vociferously as he did to leave the EU despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side.
It's not that he couldn't/ shouldn't, but why did he? There were plenty campaigning, but how many embarked on a billboard campaign as vociferously as Farage?
He certainly influenced people, as De Gea's Legs "take back control" post shows.
He shirked accountability saying he's not an MP or part of vote leave, and has now left UKIP with the U.K. still in the EU.
So why did he want to leave the EU and campaign as hard as he did on unsound principles?
Couldn't be self interest could it?
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We will have control
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
HRH King Ledley, now that you are back, what was the significance you were trying to make re your point that "Farage isn't even an MP" ?
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I replied to you.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 46 seconds ago
I admit I don't know what would be, but I imagine it wouldn't be very balanced or maybe more would take advantage of the situation. I think this kind of imbalance is where many feel aggrieved. Whether it is correct or not people without sufficient housing see foreign nationals getting the perks of the UK somewhat irksome, when they cannot get the same in the other countries
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What wouldn't be very balanced?
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Healthcare
Schooling
Housing
Social security when unemployed
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Dude, you didn't even know if the same healthcare was available in Europe and you're talking about your perception of imbalance.
What's that based on?
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
HRH King Ledley, now that you are back, what was the significance you were trying to make re your point that "Farage isn't even an MP" ?
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I replied to you.
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So he should still be accountable for his convictions he holds.
He can't be exempt from the fall out because "he's not an MP" he's as much a part of the Brexit camp as anyone and can rightly be lambasted for not having a plan for Brexit despite having 20 years to come up with some idea of one.
So Farage loves the EU really, but he's been campaigning against it for decades for his own self interest, even though he's now quit as party leader and will lose his high paying job as MEP.
And remain are supposed to be the intelligent side...?
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 32 seconds ago
Farage said he was not officially part of vote leave, he wasn't an MP - why did he get involved in a billboard campaign? What was the reason?
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what does being an MP have to do with anything?
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Have you not been following the thread? I'll spare toh the trouble of going back a few pages.
When replying on a point about Farage, HRH Ledley said that Farage isn't even an MP.
Hence my asking why, if he isn't even an MP, did he campaign so vociferously to leave the EU.
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I will try and put this in as simple terms as possible.
Much has been made of Farage running away, because he quit as UKIP leader. My point was - run away from what? The government of the Conservatives will carry us forward now. Farage is neither an MP, or a Tory. He would not be involved in planning either way. Im sure he wishes he could be, but he cannot.
He is however an MEP. He still will be until we leave the EU. An MEP for a party that wants to leave the EU. He has not resigned from this and left politics. Why on Earth would he not campaign to leave the EU?
Much like Gerry Adams is an MP for a party that wants to leave the UK.
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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
HRH King Ledley, now that you are back, what was the significance you were trying to make re your point that "Farage isn't even an MP" ?
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I replied to you.
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So he should still be accountable for his convictions he holds.
He can't be exempt from the fall out because "he's not an MP" he's as much a part of the Brexit camp as anyone and can rightly be lambasted for not having a plan for Brexit despite having 20 years to come up with some idea of one.
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There is no 'brexit camp', it's up to the government to deliver brexit. If they want Farage to have a role in negotiations he would get involved, I doubt they will want him to have anything to do with it though.
Saw that Ledley, scrolled back a bit and read it.
It's a bit rich for Farage to point to not being an MP or an official leave member to not have a clue how to go about a Brexit when it's what he's been campaigning for it for 20 years.
And more fool anyone else who defends him on the same basis.
What was farages self-interest?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
HRH King Ledley, now that you are back, what was the significance you were trying to make re your point that "Farage isn't even an MP" ?
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I replied to you.
--------------------
So he should still be accountable for his convictions he holds.
He can't be exempt from the fall out because "he's not an MP" he's as much a part of the Brexit camp as anyone and can rightly be lambasted for not having a plan for Brexit despite having 20 years to come up with some idea of one.
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He is accountable. He is an MEP, so he will lose his job because of this.
The initial point was about him running away after Brexit being ridiculous.
What has he run away from? Being leader of a party with one MP, who will have no say in negotiations even if they want to?
He is not a Tory, he is not an MP.
The truth is nobody has a detailed plan to exit the EU because no country's done it before, same as nobody has a clue what the country will look like in the future when we don't even know the terms we will negoatiate. Leadsom and May will both have different plans. once we start negotiating with the EU and see what options we have and what they/us are willing to concede that's the only time we can come up with a proper plan.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
Saw that Ledley, scrolled back a bit and read it.
It's a bit rich for Farage to point to not being an MP or an official leave member to not have a clue how to go about a Brexit when it's what he's been campaigning for it for 20 years.
And more fool anyone else who defends him on the same basis.
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He is an MEP.
He sits in the (almost toothless) European Parliament after being elected by people who voted for an anti EU party.
Why is it a surprise hen campaigned out?
If you voted Green, you would expect your representative to be heavy on green issues.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 8 minutes ago
What was farages self-interest?
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It doesn't matter, ALL politicians have self-interest.
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It does to red and i want to know what it is
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 46 seconds ago
I admit I don't know what would be, but I imagine it wouldn't be very balanced or maybe more would take advantage of the situation. I think this kind of imbalance is where many feel aggrieved. Whether it is correct or not people without sufficient housing see foreign nationals getting the perks of the UK somewhat irksome, when they cannot get the same in the other countries
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What wouldn't be very balanced?
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Healthcare
Schooling
Housing
Social security when unemployed
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Dude, you didn't even know if the same healthcare was available in Europe and you're talking about your perception of imbalance.
What's that based on?
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Which is why I'm asking. I don't know. But I do not that the perception that many leave voters I met, this was an arguement. It may be stupid in your eyes, but it is a question that the public raised concerns about.
IMO the EU debate was never about the EU. It was about change. Many are disillusioned and this was the only way to have a voice. The GE is just a popularity contest without change, but the EU leave campaign could shake things up. I'm not saying this is a good reason to vote leave, but I feel this is the real reason.
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people in the Calais camp in a wealthy country like France willing to risk their lives to get to the UK would suggest it is not balanced
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
So Farage loves the EU really, but he's been campaigning against it for decades for his own self interest, even though he's now quit as party leader and will lose his high paying job as MEP.
And remain are supposed to be the intelligent side...
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What are you on about here?
Farage is campaigning out of self interest, he has walked away from his role at UKIP, in securing what he wanted.
Farage by trade, worked in the city - financial markets.
The EU legislature has by and large put checks and controls over financial instruments to ensure they are fair and protect against malfeasance, continue to do so to ensure that firms are not "too big to fail" and require government bail outs.
British government backed the uk banks to the tune of £500bn.
Where did it get the money from? Me and you, the tax payer, the man on the street facing austerity.
The ordinary man and families are paying a triple bill for a crisis they have no responsibility for: as job holders who are facing unemployment; as taxpayers who are facing higher taxes for less public sector services; and as parents who are facing less quality in education and training for their children.
All to prop up bankers that got greedy, and needed rescuing.
They want to limit legislation onto themselves so they can continue being greedy. They hate the fact that people have more rights due to EU legislation. Eg money people are getting back from PPI or similar is due in part to the Consumer Credit Directive (EU statute)
So, while Farages points the finger at immigrants, with phrases like "breaking point" "take back control" "put the great into Great Britain" he's taking all the eyes off the issue.
The government have had to bail out the banks, and put the rest of the populous onto austerity measures. As the public get angry, disenfranchised, up pops a man in a cream linen suit and Union Jack shoes to point at the immigrants..
He walks away into the sunset, leaving you with those "phrases" and little more.
Yet the leave voters think they have some sort of victory, when all that's happened is they've been duped.
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There im leaving that last post as my final measure on Farages disgraceful antics.
That "breaking point" poster was one of the most disgusting things I've seen from British politics in recent eras. It should have a place next to images the the goebbels used.
Also, on the vote leave battle bus of £350m to the NHS (the promise that disintegrated)
That £500bn bail out to the banks, could have given the NHS this amount per week for years.
The financial crash, bail out and the austerity that followed all happened while we were in the EU so whatever measures they have didn't work. The EU forced austerity on Greece. unemployment is at ridiculous levels in a lot of EU countries, inequality is increasing, social tensions rising... if this is happening in the EU then it's not an argument for staying in.
All the major political parties say we need controls on immigration but it's impossible to control it in the EU, you're focusing on Farage and one poster when there is much more to it than that.
The financial crash, bail out and the austerity that followed all happened while we were in the EU so whatever measures they have didn't work
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Who's actions caused the financial crash happen?
The EU is seeking to put extra controls on financial institutions so that they aren't "too big to fail" ie they are accountable for their own actions without relying on the tax payer.
But anyway, if you think austerity and the lack of public funds is majorly down to immigration, more fool you and I'll leave you to it.
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posted on 9/7/16
OK after an hour we have an answer!!! What self interest do you think it was?
posted on 9/7/16
Considering he based his whole political career around this one point its not shocking he took interest it it?
posted on 9/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
So you accept these are why farage wanted to leave now
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Those reasons (despite being unsound) were part of his campaign, the question of why he campaigned so vociferously despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side is still not answered.
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OK what is the answer, you are clearly smarter than everyone here, if you know whats wrong you must know whats right?
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The question was why was he campaigning as vociferously as he did to leave the EU despite not being an MP or part of the official vote leave side.
It's not that he couldn't/ shouldn't, but why did he? There were plenty campaigning, but how many embarked on a billboard campaign as vociferously as Farage?
He certainly influenced people, as De Gea's Legs "take back control" post shows.
He shirked accountability saying he's not an MP or part of vote leave, and has now left UKIP with the U.K. still in the EU.
So why did he want to leave the EU and campaign as hard as he did on unsound principles?
Couldn't be self interest could it?
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We will have control
posted on 9/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
HRH King Ledley, now that you are back, what was the significance you were trying to make re your point that "Farage isn't even an MP" ?
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I replied to you.
posted on 9/7/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/7/16
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 46 seconds ago
I admit I don't know what would be, but I imagine it wouldn't be very balanced or maybe more would take advantage of the situation. I think this kind of imbalance is where many feel aggrieved. Whether it is correct or not people without sufficient housing see foreign nationals getting the perks of the UK somewhat irksome, when they cannot get the same in the other countries
------------
What wouldn't be very balanced?
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Healthcare
Schooling
Housing
Social security when unemployed
----------
Dude, you didn't even know if the same healthcare was available in Europe and you're talking about your perception of imbalance.
What's that based on?
posted on 9/7/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
HRH King Ledley, now that you are back, what was the significance you were trying to make re your point that "Farage isn't even an MP" ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I replied to you.
--------------------
So he should still be accountable for his convictions he holds.
He can't be exempt from the fall out because "he's not an MP" he's as much a part of the Brexit camp as anyone and can rightly be lambasted for not having a plan for Brexit despite having 20 years to come up with some idea of one.
posted on 9/7/16
So Farage loves the EU really, but he's been campaigning against it for decades for his own self interest, even though he's now quit as party leader and will lose his high paying job as MEP.
And remain are supposed to be the intelligent side...?
posted on 9/7/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 32 seconds ago
Farage said he was not officially part of vote leave, he wasn't an MP - why did he get involved in a billboard campaign? What was the reason?
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what does being an MP have to do with anything?
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Have you not been following the thread? I'll spare toh the trouble of going back a few pages.
When replying on a point about Farage, HRH Ledley said that Farage isn't even an MP.
Hence my asking why, if he isn't even an MP, did he campaign so vociferously to leave the EU.
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I will try and put this in as simple terms as possible.
Much has been made of Farage running away, because he quit as UKIP leader. My point was - run away from what? The government of the Conservatives will carry us forward now. Farage is neither an MP, or a Tory. He would not be involved in planning either way. Im sure he wishes he could be, but he cannot.
He is however an MEP. He still will be until we leave the EU. An MEP for a party that wants to leave the EU. He has not resigned from this and left politics. Why on Earth would he not campaign to leave the EU?
Much like Gerry Adams is an MP for a party that wants to leave the UK.
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posted on 9/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
HRH King Ledley, now that you are back, what was the significance you were trying to make re your point that "Farage isn't even an MP" ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I replied to you.
--------------------
So he should still be accountable for his convictions he holds.
He can't be exempt from the fall out because "he's not an MP" he's as much a part of the Brexit camp as anyone and can rightly be lambasted for not having a plan for Brexit despite having 20 years to come up with some idea of one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no 'brexit camp', it's up to the government to deliver brexit. If they want Farage to have a role in negotiations he would get involved, I doubt they will want him to have anything to do with it though.
posted on 9/7/16
Saw that Ledley, scrolled back a bit and read it.
It's a bit rich for Farage to point to not being an MP or an official leave member to not have a clue how to go about a Brexit when it's what he's been campaigning for it for 20 years.
And more fool anyone else who defends him on the same basis.
posted on 9/7/16
What was farages self-interest?
posted on 9/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 35 minutes ago
HRH King Ledley, now that you are back, what was the significance you were trying to make re your point that "Farage isn't even an MP" ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I replied to you.
--------------------
So he should still be accountable for his convictions he holds.
He can't be exempt from the fall out because "he's not an MP" he's as much a part of the Brexit camp as anyone and can rightly be lambasted for not having a plan for Brexit despite having 20 years to come up with some idea of one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He is accountable. He is an MEP, so he will lose his job because of this.
The initial point was about him running away after Brexit being ridiculous.
What has he run away from? Being leader of a party with one MP, who will have no say in negotiations even if they want to?
He is not a Tory, he is not an MP.
posted on 9/7/16
The truth is nobody has a detailed plan to exit the EU because no country's done it before, same as nobody has a clue what the country will look like in the future when we don't even know the terms we will negoatiate. Leadsom and May will both have different plans. once we start negotiating with the EU and see what options we have and what they/us are willing to concede that's the only time we can come up with a proper plan.
posted on 9/7/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
Saw that Ledley, scrolled back a bit and read it.
It's a bit rich for Farage to point to not being an MP or an official leave member to not have a clue how to go about a Brexit when it's what he's been campaigning for it for 20 years.
And more fool anyone else who defends him on the same basis.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He is an MEP.
He sits in the (almost toothless) European Parliament after being elected by people who voted for an anti EU party.
Why is it a surprise hen campaigned out?
If you voted Green, you would expect your representative to be heavy on green issues.
posted on 9/7/16
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posted on 9/7/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/7/16
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 8 minutes ago
What was farages self-interest?
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It doesn't matter, ALL politicians have self-interest.
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It does to red and i want to know what it is
posted on 9/7/16
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 46 seconds ago
I admit I don't know what would be, but I imagine it wouldn't be very balanced or maybe more would take advantage of the situation. I think this kind of imbalance is where many feel aggrieved. Whether it is correct or not people without sufficient housing see foreign nationals getting the perks of the UK somewhat irksome, when they cannot get the same in the other countries
------------
What wouldn't be very balanced?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Healthcare
Schooling
Housing
Social security when unemployed
----------
Dude, you didn't even know if the same healthcare was available in Europe and you're talking about your perception of imbalance.
What's that based on?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which is why I'm asking. I don't know. But I do not that the perception that many leave voters I met, this was an arguement. It may be stupid in your eyes, but it is a question that the public raised concerns about.
IMO the EU debate was never about the EU. It was about change. Many are disillusioned and this was the only way to have a voice. The GE is just a popularity contest without change, but the EU leave campaign could shake things up. I'm not saying this is a good reason to vote leave, but I feel this is the real reason.
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people in the Calais camp in a wealthy country like France willing to risk their lives to get to the UK would suggest it is not balanced
posted on 9/7/16
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
So Farage loves the EU really, but he's been campaigning against it for decades for his own self interest, even though he's now quit as party leader and will lose his high paying job as MEP.
And remain are supposed to be the intelligent side...
--------------
What are you on about here?
Farage is campaigning out of self interest, he has walked away from his role at UKIP, in securing what he wanted.
Farage by trade, worked in the city - financial markets.
The EU legislature has by and large put checks and controls over financial instruments to ensure they are fair and protect against malfeasance, continue to do so to ensure that firms are not "too big to fail" and require government bail outs.
British government backed the uk banks to the tune of £500bn.
Where did it get the money from? Me and you, the tax payer, the man on the street facing austerity.
The ordinary man and families are paying a triple bill for a crisis they have no responsibility for: as job holders who are facing unemployment; as taxpayers who are facing higher taxes for less public sector services; and as parents who are facing less quality in education and training for their children.
All to prop up bankers that got greedy, and needed rescuing.
They want to limit legislation onto themselves so they can continue being greedy. They hate the fact that people have more rights due to EU legislation. Eg money people are getting back from PPI or similar is due in part to the Consumer Credit Directive (EU statute)
So, while Farages points the finger at immigrants, with phrases like "breaking point" "take back control" "put the great into Great Britain" he's taking all the eyes off the issue.
The government have had to bail out the banks, and put the rest of the populous onto austerity measures. As the public get angry, disenfranchised, up pops a man in a cream linen suit and Union Jack shoes to point at the immigrants..
He walks away into the sunset, leaving you with those "phrases" and little more.
Yet the leave voters think they have some sort of victory, when all that's happened is they've been duped.
posted on 9/7/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/7/16
There im leaving that last post as my final measure on Farages disgraceful antics.
That "breaking point" poster was one of the most disgusting things I've seen from British politics in recent eras. It should have a place next to images the the goebbels used.
posted on 9/7/16
Also, on the vote leave battle bus of £350m to the NHS (the promise that disintegrated)
That £500bn bail out to the banks, could have given the NHS this amount per week for years.
posted on 9/7/16
The financial crash, bail out and the austerity that followed all happened while we were in the EU so whatever measures they have didn't work. The EU forced austerity on Greece. unemployment is at ridiculous levels in a lot of EU countries, inequality is increasing, social tensions rising... if this is happening in the EU then it's not an argument for staying in.
All the major political parties say we need controls on immigration but it's impossible to control it in the EU, you're focusing on Farage and one poster when there is much more to it than that.
posted on 9/7/16
The financial crash, bail out and the austerity that followed all happened while we were in the EU so whatever measures they have didn't work
---------------
Who's actions caused the financial crash happen?
The EU is seeking to put extra controls on financial institutions so that they aren't "too big to fail" ie they are accountable for their own actions without relying on the tax payer.
But anyway, if you think austerity and the lack of public funds is majorly down to immigration, more fool you and I'll leave you to it.
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