Amazing country we live in, amazing.

Who created the zero hours contract that enabled that environment to exist?
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absolutely, the effects are product of a set environment.

But blaming the migrant as usual.

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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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that's not correct, a lot of the migrants might be skilled in their home country but the vast majority come here to do unskilled labour e.g. they will earn more doing a minimum wage job here then they will working as a lawyer back home.

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So? if the job is there, and they take it, what's your beef?

If someone from overseas needs to travel a vast distance to take that job, he is already at a disadvantage over someone already residing here.

If he can take that job, live and make it work for him, any UK national can too.

Blaming the migrant is a cop-out.
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you're missing the point, I suspect on purpose to deflect from what I'm talking about. I didn't blame migrants for anything, fair play to them for using the system to their advantage. if you're so against zero hour contracts why are you for flooding the labour market, which can only suppress wages force people to accept worse conditions because their is so much more competition?
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Who created the zero hours contract that enabled that environment to exist?
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that doesn't matter, people wouldn't be accepting these jobs if they didn't need to and the no. of people on zero hour contracts is rising all the time. bigger demand means people will accept lower pay and conditions.

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I think you're full of poo with that comment MUDD
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Was not that long ago that Germans believed Jews were the cause of their problems and it is not that long ago Brits believed immigrants were the problem.

Not really hard to do to be honest.
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I was referring to Merkel passing mass layoffs across the country as our fault and getting away with it.
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Has worked in the past, worked in the UK now and will work anywhere provided you can spin it properly
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you do realise that a heavy EU wide recession would in all likelihood crack the back of the EU itself given it's popularity is fragile to begin with. Nothing like economic turmoil to create a rise in populism and nationalism. Old skool.

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Who created the zero hours contract that enabled that environment to exist?
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absolutely, the effects are product of a set environment.

But blaming the migrant as usual.
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Indeed

I reiterate, who identifies more with Britain, the immigrant who gets on with it and makes the best out of his situation or the people moaning about it?

These same people will be anti-union though.

that doesn't matter, people wouldn't be accepting these jobs if they didn't need to and the no. of people on zero hour contracts is rising all the time. bigger demand means people will accept lower pay and conditions.
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It matters, if there was no zero hour contract, the jobs would not exist.

What conditions are you referring to? Do retailers and other unskilled employers work personnel in an inhumane fashion?

I'm sure there are some laws the EU introduced to stop this kind of thing. You know, the laws you have voted to reject.

Again, the employers are blameless, just the immigrant

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I think you're full of poo with that comment MUDD
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Was not that long ago that Germans believed Jews were the cause of their problems and it is not that long ago Brits believed immigrants were the problem.

Not really hard to do to be honest.
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I was referring to Merkel passing mass layoffs across the country as our fault and getting away with it.
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Has worked in the past, worked in the UK now and will work anywhere provided you can spin it properly
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you do realise that a heavy EU wide recession would in all likelihood crack the back of the EU itself given it's popularity is fragile to begin with. Nothing like economic turmoil to create a rise in populism and nationalism. Old skool.
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Germany had no recession in 2008. Much more stable country and if the message is managed well, you can turn that nationalism against Britain.

It worked here so easily, would not be hard to pull off. I would even set up state owned businesses and borrow money to manage it with a view to running the UK to the ground.

Just pray Merkel is not getting advice from a mean kant like me.

A lot of industries do this a lot, nothing new. 27 against 1? Not difficult

Some people suddenly believe that tories will turn back on decades old policy of privatising this country now that they are guaranteed power for the foreseeable future because of uninformed voters.

Wow. May's speech was a load of sht but mugs lapped it up. Everything she said she was going to do, she voted against as a PM.

Actions speak louder than words

an MP

Where did I blame immigrants? I said they're hard working and usually overskilled for the jobs they're doing. if anything what's degrading is a system where intelligent and educated people have to come here and do basic jobs and live in poor conditions.

So who is responsible for creating that environment I ask again for the millionth time?

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So who is responsible for creating that environment I ask again for the millionth time?
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Us by joining the EU of course

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So who is responsible for creating that environment I ask again for the millionth time?
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Us by joining the EU of course
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I blame the immigrants meself

there's a lot of reasons, the world is changing with advancing technology etc. A corrupt financial system where banks and big business call the shots. Tory cuts and freedom of movement rules don't help. of course it's not all because of immigration but flooding the labour market can only mean higher demand, wage suppression and people willing to work in worse conditions rather than the other way around.

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there's a lot of reasons, the world is changing with advancing technology etc. A corrupt financial system where banks and big business call the shots. Tory cuts and freedom of movement rules don't help. of course it's not all because of immigration but flooding the labour market can only mean higher demand, wage suppression and people willing to work in worse conditions rather than the other way around

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So.. being out of the EU you would expect :

Average wages to increase
Working conditions to improve

correct 8bit?

MUDD, some of your points are partially valid but you overdo it and take the extreme end of every argument to fit your politics.

There are significant negative impacts to non-London England of mass, uncontrolled immigration. The competition at the unskilled end of the market went through the roof and locals ended up on the wrong end of it. Even Labour admit the policy wasn't right in hindsight.

It's not blaming the immigrant, who could fault someone for trebling their salary legally.

It's saying the open immigration policy has had negative consequences is all.

Immigration is a nett GDP winner as a total of all winners and losers combined.

If you want to see who the losers were in England look at the Brexit vote map. It's the blue spots.

I personally do not support uncontrolled mass immigration. Far from it.

My issue is the moronic view that all the problems we are facing is down to them.

I really have no patience for such views as it is stupid.

The reason why this country is where it is is because it has been privatised without a thought for the future and the average Brit.

This is what we should be fighting.

People moan and complain about this then vote tory.

What do they expect?

I am all for introducing an Esta type of system for European workers as our immigration policy is actually racist.

I however have no issues with anyone coming here to work, whatever job they do.

I do have issues with people who see this people as the problem as opposed to the people who created this environment for it to occur.

This is why I debate with them this way but as much as you show them the evidence, they refuse to acknowledge it.

The scandinavians advertise for migrants, as do the Americans, Canadians, etc. Australia with its PBS let more people into Australia than we did with unfettered migration from the EU.

There is this belief that we are some great power in the world, that is no longer the case.

Every day and every way our influence and standing is diminished.

The way we are viewed around the world after Brexit is even worse.

Sad thing is the people that voted for it are the ones that will lose the most out of it.

When the sht hits the fan, what will they do? Up sticks ad move? To where?

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there's a lot of reasons, the world is changing with advancing technology etc. A corrupt financial system where banks and big business call the shots. Tory cuts and freedom of movement rules don't help. of course it's not all because of immigration but flooding the labour market can only mean higher demand, wage suppression and people willing to work in worse conditions rather than the other way around

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So.. being out of the EU you would expect :

Average wages to increase
Working conditions to improve

correct 8bit?
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I don't know what will happen outside the EU, depends on what deal we get. if we do get controls on EU immigration then that will be better than having no control.

The UK desperately wants immigrants as well.

A bit more control over picking the ones with the needed skills and finances would be nice is all.

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The UK desperately wants immigrants as well.

A bit more control over picking the ones with the needed skills and finances would be nice is all.
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No issue with that. No need to demonise the ones here.

That is what I have problems with.

agreed

Right back to footy then.

Until article 50 action is known.

WTF just happened

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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16% of EU exports went to the UK

44% of UK exports went to the EU

Who needs who more?
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That is like me saying I will happily lose a few fingers if somebody I do not like loses a leg

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"Actually scrwing us over will appeal to a lot of Europeans who are cheesed off with the Brexit vote"

If they were having a referendum, I'd agree

However it's pretty much iron clad fact that a p(ssing contest of scr3wing each other over will cost Merkel over a million jobs just related to the auto industry

So I put the odds of it happening somewhere between nil and never going to happen

A million jobs is cataclysmic
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Depends on how she spins it. If she can blame it on the UK and say we will fix it in spite of the UK, she can turn it around.

For a country with a massive industrial complex, creating a million new jobs with state supported aid is not that challenging.

Like I said, if it were me, I would sht all over the UK.
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Because you are a petty, vindictive man?