comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't think you get to say what your intentions were, you either had illegal images or you didn't
It's like that guy who went home with a girl from a club who turned out to be 15, just because the club was 21+ only and he assumed she must be 15 doesn't mean he didn't break the law
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Going home with an underage girl is a different world from having images on a device. It's a statutory offence where you are guilty because it happened, no ifs or buts. However, you can't go home with a girl accidentally, but you can have images on a device accidentally.
A defence exists if he did not intentionally possess the material and upon discovering that you were in possession of such material, ceased to possess it, for example by deleting it. He can also argue that he did not have possession of the material if he did not actually download the material, but instead only viewed it.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don't think you get to say what your intentions were, you either had illegal images or you didn't
It's like that guy who went home with a girl from a club who turned out to be 15, just because the club was 21+ only and he assumed she must be 15 doesn't mean he didn't break the law
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That happened to someone I knew years ago.
He was the DJ and was found not guilty
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Perhaps he wasn't much older than the victim? There must be some detail or circumstance there.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's more because I know Whatsapp stores images in a folder in your phone files even if you don't choose to have them automatically download to your gallery.
I'm guessing that's not actually the case here but would be interested in the legality if you genuinely didn't know Whatsapp does that, and had those images in your phone files solely because someone sent them to you without your consent.
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A person that deals with so many images and very active on WhatsApp would be very unlikely not to know how WhatsApp operates. Any reasonable person would know that Whatsapp does that, so I'd say that argument would have no legs IMO.
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't think you get to say what your intentions were, you either had illegal images or you didn't
It's like that guy who went home with a girl from a club who turned out to be 15, just because the club was 21+ only and he assumed she must be 15 doesn't mean he didn't break the law
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Going home with an underage girl is a different world from having images on a device. It's a statutory offence where you are guilty because it happened, no ifs or buts. However, you can't go home with a girl accidentally, but you can have images on a device accidentally.
A defence exists if he did not intentionally possess the material and upon discovering that you were in possession of such material, ceased to possess it, for example by deleting it. He can also argue that he did not have possession of the material if he did not actually download the material, but instead only viewed it.
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If they're on his phone he was in possession of them
Ignorance of the law does not get you off, nor does "I said nothing illegal" or "she said she was 16"
Agreed, but if he deleted them immediately and asked that they never be sent again, then he has a defence or reasons to seek a lenient sentence.
so if someone sent me photos of children, I could still get done even if I delete them immediately and ask not to be sent that stuff?
That doesn’t sound right
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 20 seconds ago
so if someone sent me photos of children, I could still get done even if I delete them immediately and ask not to be sent that stuff?
That doesn’t sound right
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No. What I'm saying is if you do that then you have a defence.
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
UK has seen 17 stabbings in the last 48 hours
You have the power to block people on WhatsApp, seems a lame excuse to say they kept sending images
He also didn't say "don't send me any of that disgusting abuse"
He said "nothing illegal"
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 26 minutes ago
UK has seen 17 stabbings in the last 48 hours
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The sun brings out the worst in people and dogs it seems.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 26 minutes ago
UK has seen 17 stabbings in the last 48 hours
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The sun brings out the worst in people and dogs it seems.
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But the best in women's fashion choices
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 minutes ago
so if someone sent me photos of children, I could still get done even if I delete them immediately and ask not to be sent that stuff?
That doesn’t sound right
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It’s dodgy ground, but I suspect there’s probably a bit more to it than this.
Is failure to report it to the police an issue as well?
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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What was the cause of the Leeds riots?
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
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Claptard hasn't got a clue what he's on about for a change.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/28/leeds-riots-harehills-disorder-muslim-men-children-care
"Nadsy Qurban bent his neck to show how the crown of his head was covered in a number of burns, each the size of coins. “The smell was like I’m burning some goat or something, like I’m cooking some goat. That’s how bad it was,” he said.
Needless to say, it hurt. But a week on, the burns he gained while putting out fires during unrest in the Harehills area of Leeds are starting to heal.
He was one of more than a dozen people, mostly Muslim men, who stepped in to de-escalate tensions on 18 July, when disorder was triggered by police and social services taking children from a Roma family into care"
Yeah, I remember reading that the people who tipped over the police car were speaking Romanian.
Clap doesn't like Romanians either though. Especially if they sell the Big Issue.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
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Assistant chief constable words were: A decision was made to temporarily withdraw officers when it became “evident that the police was their sole target”, in order to calm tensions.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
Yeah, I remember reading that the people who tipped over the police car were speaking Romanian.
Clap doesn't like Romanians either though. Especially if they sell the Big Issue.
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He doesn't appear to like many not born in the UK or with a particular pigmentation.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
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Assistant chief constable words were: A decision was made to temporarily withdraw officers when it became “evident that the police was their sole target”, in order to calm tensions.
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Well there you go then. You've answered your own question.
Riot was started by police stepping into a social worker situation. The police felt like they were escalating tensions by showing a heavy presence. You've answered your own question.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
Yeah, I remember reading that the people who tipped over the police car were speaking Romanian.
Clap doesn't like Romanians either though. Especially if they sell the Big Issue.
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He doesn't appear to like many not born in the UK or with a particular pigmentation.
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He's probably disappointed he didn't get to see a head stamp.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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What was the cause of the Leeds riots?
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Kids got removed by social services/police.
I can tell you from experience that is a last resort action and there must have serious concern for the kids welfare.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
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Assistant chief constable words were: A decision was made to temporarily withdraw officers when it became “evident that the police was their sole target”, in order to calm tensions.
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Well there you go then. You've answered your own question.
Riot was started by police stepping into a social worker situation. The police felt like they were escalating tensions by showing a heavy presence. You've answered your own question.
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So they pulled back to ease tension in Leeds yet piled in when confronted by protesters in Southport?
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posted on 31/7/24
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't think you get to say what your intentions were, you either had illegal images or you didn't
It's like that guy who went home with a girl from a club who turned out to be 15, just because the club was 21+ only and he assumed she must be 15 doesn't mean he didn't break the law
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Going home with an underage girl is a different world from having images on a device. It's a statutory offence where you are guilty because it happened, no ifs or buts. However, you can't go home with a girl accidentally, but you can have images on a device accidentally.
A defence exists if he did not intentionally possess the material and upon discovering that you were in possession of such material, ceased to possess it, for example by deleting it. He can also argue that he did not have possession of the material if he did not actually download the material, but instead only viewed it.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don't think you get to say what your intentions were, you either had illegal images or you didn't
It's like that guy who went home with a girl from a club who turned out to be 15, just because the club was 21+ only and he assumed she must be 15 doesn't mean he didn't break the law
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That happened to someone I knew years ago.
He was the DJ and was found not guilty
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Perhaps he wasn't much older than the victim? There must be some detail or circumstance there.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's more because I know Whatsapp stores images in a folder in your phone files even if you don't choose to have them automatically download to your gallery.
I'm guessing that's not actually the case here but would be interested in the legality if you genuinely didn't know Whatsapp does that, and had those images in your phone files solely because someone sent them to you without your consent.
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A person that deals with so many images and very active on WhatsApp would be very unlikely not to know how WhatsApp operates. Any reasonable person would know that Whatsapp does that, so I'd say that argument would have no legs IMO.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Arne Sabah Nur (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't think you get to say what your intentions were, you either had illegal images or you didn't
It's like that guy who went home with a girl from a club who turned out to be 15, just because the club was 21+ only and he assumed she must be 15 doesn't mean he didn't break the law
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Going home with an underage girl is a different world from having images on a device. It's a statutory offence where you are guilty because it happened, no ifs or buts. However, you can't go home with a girl accidentally, but you can have images on a device accidentally.
A defence exists if he did not intentionally possess the material and upon discovering that you were in possession of such material, ceased to possess it, for example by deleting it. He can also argue that he did not have possession of the material if he did not actually download the material, but instead only viewed it.
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If they're on his phone he was in possession of them
Ignorance of the law does not get you off, nor does "I said nothing illegal" or "she said she was 16"
posted on 31/7/24
Agreed, but if he deleted them immediately and asked that they never be sent again, then he has a defence or reasons to seek a lenient sentence.
posted on 31/7/24
so if someone sent me photos of children, I could still get done even if I delete them immediately and ask not to be sent that stuff?
That doesn’t sound right
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 20 seconds ago
so if someone sent me photos of children, I could still get done even if I delete them immediately and ask not to be sent that stuff?
That doesn’t sound right
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No. What I'm saying is if you do that then you have a defence.
posted on 31/7/24
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
posted on 31/7/24
UK has seen 17 stabbings in the last 48 hours
posted on 31/7/24
You have the power to block people on WhatsApp, seems a lame excuse to say they kept sending images
posted on 31/7/24
He also didn't say "don't send me any of that disgusting abuse"
He said "nothing illegal"
posted on 31/7/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 26 minutes ago
UK has seen 17 stabbings in the last 48 hours
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The sun brings out the worst in people and dogs it seems.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 26 minutes ago
UK has seen 17 stabbings in the last 48 hours
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The sun brings out the worst in people and dogs it seems.
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But the best in women's fashion choices
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 minutes ago
so if someone sent me photos of children, I could still get done even if I delete them immediately and ask not to be sent that stuff?
That doesn’t sound right
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It’s dodgy ground, but I suspect there’s probably a bit more to it than this.
Is failure to report it to the police an issue as well?
posted on 31/7/24
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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What was the cause of the Leeds riots?
posted on 31/7/24
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
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Claptard hasn't got a clue what he's on about for a change.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/28/leeds-riots-harehills-disorder-muslim-men-children-care
"Nadsy Qurban bent his neck to show how the crown of his head was covered in a number of burns, each the size of coins. “The smell was like I’m burning some goat or something, like I’m cooking some goat. That’s how bad it was,” he said.
Needless to say, it hurt. But a week on, the burns he gained while putting out fires during unrest in the Harehills area of Leeds are starting to heal.
He was one of more than a dozen people, mostly Muslim men, who stepped in to de-escalate tensions on 18 July, when disorder was triggered by police and social services taking children from a Roma family into care"
posted on 31/7/24
Yeah, I remember reading that the people who tipped over the police car were speaking Romanian.
Clap doesn't like Romanians either though. Especially if they sell the Big Issue.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
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Assistant chief constable words were: A decision was made to temporarily withdraw officers when it became “evident that the police was their sole target”, in order to calm tensions.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
Yeah, I remember reading that the people who tipped over the police car were speaking Romanian.
Clap doesn't like Romanians either though. Especially if they sell the Big Issue.
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He doesn't appear to like many not born in the UK or with a particular pigmentation.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
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Assistant chief constable words were: A decision was made to temporarily withdraw officers when it became “evident that the police was their sole target”, in order to calm tensions.
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Well there you go then. You've answered your own question.
Riot was started by police stepping into a social worker situation. The police felt like they were escalating tensions by showing a heavy presence. You've answered your own question.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
Yeah, I remember reading that the people who tipped over the police car were speaking Romanian.
Clap doesn't like Romanians either though. Especially if they sell the Big Issue.
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He doesn't appear to like many not born in the UK or with a particular pigmentation.
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He's probably disappointed he didn't get to see a head stamp.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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What was the cause of the Leeds riots?
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Kids got removed by social services/police.
I can tell you from experience that is a last resort action and there must have serious concern for the kids welfare.
posted on 31/7/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 20 minutes ago
39 police officers injured and 27 hospitalised last night in Southport.
I say again, can anyone imagine the absolute meltdown in the media today if anything *remotely* close to that - I mean even 10% of that - had happened at any single one of the literally scores of marches for peace in Gaza?
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I wonder why the police went into Southport and not Leeds? The police moderate their language and actions when dealing with protests involving minorities as they're terrified of being branded racists, they don't give a feck when they're white.
Why is it when white people protest and riot they're far right and yet if Muslims and minorities do it extremism is never brought up?
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Police did attend the Leeds riots and were one part of the reason it started but were outnumbered and retreated. They didn't have the resources to handle something that started suddenly.
The reason there was a heavier police presence in Southport is that there had been a huge incidence the day before, misinformation had led to threats, there was a vigil and likely worries from a big crowd descending on an area, copy cat attacks or those looking for revenge and the EDL lot had turned up who have a reputation for rioting.
It really isn't that complicated unless you are trying to search for some conspiracy to help with your own prejudices.
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Assistant chief constable words were: A decision was made to temporarily withdraw officers when it became “evident that the police was their sole target”, in order to calm tensions.
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Well there you go then. You've answered your own question.
Riot was started by police stepping into a social worker situation. The police felt like they were escalating tensions by showing a heavy presence. You've answered your own question.
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So they pulled back to ease tension in Leeds yet piled in when confronted by protesters in Southport?
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