That’s one of the reasons so few British nationals want to go into the profession as well. The people that have that academic ability can find far more lucrative jobs in the private sector, without that level of stress and time taken to qualify.

That’s why so many UK doctors and nurses come to Australia as the pay is much better and the stress levels are waaaay lower. I follow this UK doctor on social media and his stories are shocking from what he had to deal with before he moved here and how many of his former colleagues contact him on a daily basis

I worked closely with medics for about eight years.

If I could do the job, which I very much couldn’t ever have done, for multiple reasons, I wouldn’t do it for three times the salary.

comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
I worked closely with medics for about eight years.

If I could do the job, which I very much couldn’t ever have done, for multiple reasons, I wouldn’t do it for three times the salary.
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That sounds like conditions are more important than salary for you a casual observer

The two are often linked, people will put up with shiiiiiitty conditions if the pay is really good and vice versa.

Moments ago, Hamas fighters targeted and collapsed a building used by Israeli forces as a military base, killing between 6 and 9 soldiers, possibly more.

According to Hebrew sources, four helicopters are currently transporting Israeli casualties.

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1943392122171973808?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw

Is there any surprise why these incompetent cockroaches leech so much off the West for weapon support? They’re getting picked off like cattle so easily

Conditions are pretty awful in the UK medical field in general and vs other nations. If you can't keep nurses and doctors because the conditions are poor then you can try raising salaries and hope that gets them to stick around but it still means medical care is compromised due to staff fatigue.

We've made some really feckin stupid decisions over the years and you can see the results.

Long term, we need to increase the overall budget, bring back better training incentives and working conditions and create a better working environment for what is a far more crucial role in society than 99% of others.

Short term because we'd be absolutely fecked without them, we need to pay whatever it takes to keep doctors and nurses from doing what most sane people would do and leaving for somewhere that values their role/life...

The proposed new CDC centres are a step in the right direction, centralizing care around a major hospital might be cheaper and more convenient to the Trusts but it just overwhelms the understaffed services at them.

The Trust system’s inefficiency is a big problem with the NHS, especially when it comes to admin. It’s an absolute cuuuunt to get medical records shared between Trusts and there are apparently some Trusts are that are so boomer that they insist on using paper medical records and post rather than digitising.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 10 hours, 26 minutes ago
Junior doctors stay junior for about 3 years before they specialise and earn anywhere between £60k-£100k. Then as they qualify to be consultants they earn £100k-150k with gold plated pensions. The idea that their wages were stifled was utter bullcrap egged by Labour to win the election. And now they will reap what they sowed.

All their 22% did was feed into inflation and now they are back. It was laughable if it wasn't so predictable and sad for the NHS and those waiting for treatment.
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“before they specialise” . Can you tell me about this “specialising” route? Lots of opportunities to do so? That seems to be from your argument the jump off point from meh wages to decent wages so just want to understand how easy that transition is.

Economy has shrank again by 0.1%

This shows just how ridiculously shambolic the NHS is; my daughter, aged just 29 was - until last Xmas - the most senior midwife in the whole of central London. She’s good, but she’s also the best the Trust could find for the role. The demands of the role were soul-crushing.

At the start of this year she was enticed out to Melbourne, for nearly three times the salary and “half the stress” as she tells me.

Doctors do need to be paid a lot more but I also find it hard to support a strike when they had a above inflation payrise last year and are set for (albeit smaller) another one this year.

I understand they want to make up for real terms pay cuts over the last 15 years, which I agree with, but they need to realise it's going to take time to afford that.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
I worked closely with medics for about eight years.

If I could do the job, which I very much couldn’t ever have done, for multiple reasons, I wouldn’t do it for three times the salary.
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That sounds like conditions are more important than salary for you a casual observer
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Well, I gave up more than 80% of my income to move to PT, so yeah, you could say that

comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
Conditions are pretty awful in the UK medical field in general and vs other nations. If you can't keep nurses and doctors because the conditions are poor then you can try raising salaries and hope that gets them to stick around but it still means medical care is compromised due to staff fatigue.

We've made some really feckin stupid decisions over the years and you can see the results.

Long term, we need to increase the overall budget, bring back better training incentives and working conditions and create a better working environment for what is a far more crucial role in society than 99% of others.

Short term because we'd be absolutely fecked without them, we need to pay whatever it takes to keep doctors and nurses from doing what most sane people would do and leaving for somewhere that values their role/life...
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In a nutshell

comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
I worked closely with medics for about eight years.

If I could do the job, which I very much couldn’t ever have done, for multiple reasons, I wouldn’t do it for three times the salary.
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That sounds like conditions are more important than salary for you a casual observer
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Well, I gave up more than 80% of my income to move to PT, so yeah, you could say that
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And you’re having to come back to us now

comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
I worked closely with medics for about eight years.

If I could do the job, which I very much couldn’t ever have done, for multiple reasons, I wouldn’t do it for three times the salary.
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That sounds like conditions are more important than salary for you a casual observer
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Well, I gave up more than 80% of my income to move to PT, so yeah, you could say that
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And you’re having to come back to us now
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Thanks for the reminder

comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
I worked closely with medics for about eight years.

If I could do the job, which I very much couldn’t ever have done, for multiple reasons, I wouldn’t do it for three times the salary.
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That sounds like conditions are more important than salary for you a casual observer
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Well, I gave up more than 80% of my income to move to PT, so yeah, you could say that
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No I don't mean about you

https://thedoctor.bma.org.uk/articles/life-at-work/doctors-deserve-better-employers-to-improve-working-conditions-says-health-secretary/

The doctors are stroking over pay but what the govt feel is working conditions are the bigger problem

Wes Streeting also feels private healthcare is the way to achieve those better working conditions.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Doctors do need to be paid a lot more but I also find it hard to support a strike when they had a above inflation payrise last year and are set for (albeit smaller) another one this year.

I understand they want to make up for real terms pay cuts over the last 15 years, which I agree with, but they need to realise it's going to take time to afford that.
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Yeah kinda agree, they should be paid well and probably more than they earn, but equally around 90% of the population only ever gets the occasional token payrise.

comment by 1manontherun 7-0 (U4291)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Doctors do need to be paid a lot more but I also find it hard to support a strike when they had a above inflation payrise last year and are set for (albeit smaller) another one this year.

I understand they want to make up for real terms pay cuts over the last 15 years, which I agree with, but they need to realise it's going to take time to afford that.
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Yeah kinda agree, they should be paid well and probably more than they earn, but equally around 90% of the population only ever gets the occasional token payrise.
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It’s almost as if unions are a good thing for the working population.

Doctors, and especially junior Doctors, should be paid FAR more and we should all support these strikes.

Some of these guys are working 70+ hours a week.

Highly recommend the book ‘This is going to hurt’ for a funny, but equally painful, look at the life of a Junior Doctor.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by 1manontherun 7-0 (U4291)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Doctors do need to be paid a lot more but I also find it hard to support a strike when they had a above inflation payrise last year and are set for (albeit smaller) another one this year.

I understand they want to make up for real terms pay cuts over the last 15 years, which I agree with, but they need to realise it's going to take time to afford that.
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Yeah kinda agree, they should be paid well and probably more than they earn, but equally around 90% of the population only ever gets the occasional token payrise.
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It’s almost as if unions are a good thing for the working population.
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Just imagine if they didn't exist

Measles hits 33-year high in the US.

If only there was some kind of jab that prevents it.

NEW: Rupert Lowe is being investigated by Parliament’s standards commission for allegedly failing to register hundred of thousands of pounds in donations to fund his independent Rape Gang Inquiry

Why am I not surprised