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posted on 8/4/21

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-day-7-wrap-up-a-horrible-day-for-the-prosecution/

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
I take back some of what I said the other day following the SKY article on the chauvin trial. The defence then recalled the same prosecution witness and he ended up stating (in paraphrasing) that it’s quite normal to keep holds on a suspect until EMS arrives, that he had done the same thing chauvin did and a few other bits.

I’m less sure again which way things will go 😂

I think either of the murder charges are unlikely, it’s going to be manslaughter or nothing imo currently.
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The defence are relying on Floyd's drug use/medical condition as the main cause for his death.

The question is therefore would a perfectly healthy person, with no prior medical issues survive having someone (of similar build to Chauvin) place their knee on their neck for 8 odd minutes.
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That’s what I thought yesterday and they are still going to rely on that but the calling of the same witness but for the defence and some of the things they got him to admit (there was another witness too) were a lot stronger than I would have expected and seeing as what is needed is a reasonable. On this aspect alone, I am not as confident as I was yesterday.
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posted on 8/4/21

comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
I take back some of what I said the other day following the SKY article on the chauvin trial. The defence then recalled the same prosecution witness and he ended up stating (in paraphrasing) that it’s quite normal to keep holds on a suspect until EMS arrives, that he had done the same thing chauvin did and a few other bits.

I’m less sure again which way things will go 😂

I think either of the murder charges are unlikely, it’s going to be manslaughter or nothing imo currently.
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The defence are relying on Floyd's drug use/medical condition as the main cause for his death.

The question is therefore would a perfectly healthy person, with no prior medical issues survive having someone (of similar build to Chauvin) place their knee on their neck for 8 odd minutes.
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That’s what I thought yesterday and they are still going to rely on that but the calling of the same witness but for the defence and some of the things they got him to admit (there was another witness too) were a lot stronger than I would have expected and seeing as what is needed is a reasonable. On this aspect alone, I am not as confident as I was yesterday.
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If he is found guilty my primary response will be relief, because I don't like seeing America burn down.
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Aye, too much blood has been shed this last year

posted on 8/4/21

NEW Scottish parliament forecast:

SNP: 66 MSPs (+3)
CON: 24 (-7)
LAB: 23 (-1)
GRN: 11 (+5)
LDEM: 5 (-)
ALBA: 0 (-)

Src: @BritainElects / @NewStatesman modelling

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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
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NEW Scottish parliament forecast:

SNP: 66 MSPs (+3)
CON: 24 (-7)
LAB: 23 (-1)
GRN: 11 (+5)
LDEM: 5 (-)
ALBA: 0 (-)

Src: @BritainElects / @NewStatesman modelling
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Tories and Labour voters just need to rally behind one person. Personally the Scottish Labour leader seems a good guy and well spoken. Disgraceful the extent to which Scotland has become a one party state.
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Lol, as opposed to the UK being what exactly? The Scots want their independence and I don’t blame them, who’d want to fecking work with Boris Johnson

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comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 8/4/21

Genuinely a big deal to have cops go against a cop though. I think the prosecution pulled off quite a good session of evidence

posted on 8/4/21

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 10 seconds ago
NEW Scottish parliament forecast:

SNP: 66 MSPs (+3)
CON: 24 (-7)
LAB: 23 (-1)
GRN: 11 (+5)
LDEM: 5 (-)
ALBA: 0 (-)

Src: @BritainElects / @NewStatesman modelling
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Tories and Labour voters just need to rally behind one person. Personally the Scottish Labour leader seems a good guy and well spoken. Disgraceful the extent to which Scotland has become a one party state.
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Lol, as opposed to the UK being what exactly? The Scots want their independence and I don’t blame them, who’d want to fecking work with Boris Johnson
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We had a hung parliament with two parties having to work together in 2017 at least. Tories have scraped through for the last 11 years with slim majorities or coalitions and confidence and supply. Only since 2019 have they had a majority big enough to be confident that what ever they come up with will pass parliament. SNP have enjoyed this luxury for years and looks like it will continue.
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The current Scottish Parliament SNP have 61 seats out of 129 - minority government & informal agreement with greens

Previous parliament - SNP 69 seats - slim majority government
One before that - SNP 47 seats. Minority government run in coalition with greens.
One before that - Labour and liberal coalition.

posted on 8/4/21

Tories and Labour voters just need to rally behind one person. Personally the Scottish Labour leader seems a good guy and well spoken. Disgraceful the extent to which Scotland has become a one party state.
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It will remain a one party state at least till they gain independence,and if that goes wrong it will no longer remain a one party state.

posted on 8/4/21

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 27 seconds ago
Tories and Labour voters just need to rally behind one person. Personally the Scottish Labour leader seems a good guy and well spoken. Disgraceful the extent to which Scotland has become a one party state.
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It will remain a one party state at least till they gain independence,and if that goes wrong it will no longer remain a one party state.
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It’s not even a one party government 🤷‍♂️

This one party state narrative really is embarrassing.

posted on 8/4/21

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 3 minutes ago
Genuinely a big deal to have cops go against a cop though. I think the prosecution pulled off quite a good session of evidence
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I’m not so sure anymore.

Indeed, when asked if he himself had ever disbelieved a suspect’s claim of a medical emergency as an apparent effort to avoid arrest, Mercil answered that he personally had done so.

Nelson also once again put the use of pressure and body weight techniques in a favorable light. The state wants to present Chauvin’s knee in a negative light, as deadly mechanical asphyxiation, or as a “blood choke” as attested to by MMA Williams. In fact, however, the use of pressure and body weight to restrain a suspect was adopted by the MPD because it was a lesser intensity of force than the prior practice of using strikes—either barehanded, or with batons, or even with weighted gloves—to compel compliance. Mercil concurred.

(Nelson is defence lawyer and Mercil is the witness, the safety training expert from the MPD)

When asked if additional use-of-force factors included if the suspect was believed to be on drugs, and whether being on drugs could give a suspect exceptionally great strength, Mercil agreed to both statements.

When asked explicitly if any of the video of the event showed Chauvin placing Floyd in a “choke hold” (in this context meaning a respiratory choke but the term has been used with careless disregard for accuracy) Mercil was obliged to answer that it did not.

When asked if Mercil trained officers that a suspect who had become unconscious could regain consciousness, get back into the fight, and perhaps even be more aggressive than previously, Mercil responded that he did.

Sometimes to maintain the neck restraint for however long it took EMS to arrive, asked Nelson? Mercil answered that he, personally, had maintained restraint on suspects for the duration required for EMS to arrive.

To ensure the point: The state’s own use-of-force expert testified on cross that he personally had engaged in use-of-force conduct that the state had been using to demonize Chauvin as an unlawful killer. That’s not a good day for the state

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 8/4/21

Yeah the defence are good too. Its a heavier lift by the prosecution than many wish to believe

posted on 8/4/21

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 27 seconds ago
Tories and Labour voters just need to rally behind one person. Personally the Scottish Labour leader seems a good guy and well spoken. Disgraceful the extent to which Scotland has become a one party state.
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It will remain a one party state at least till they gain independence,and if that goes wrong it will no longer remain a one party state.
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It’s not even a one party government 🤷‍♂️

This one party state narrative really is embarrassing.
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I reckon we round up these narrators, throw rotten veggies at them and yell SHAME

Up for it mate?

posted on 8/4/21

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 seconds ago
Yeah the defence are good too. Its a heavier lift by the prosecution than many wish to believe
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Yeah much heavier.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 8/4/21

Mostly because of the standard of reasonable doubt being so high

posted on 8/4/21

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 13 minutes ago
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-day-7-wrap-up-a-horrible-day-for-the-prosecution/


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Yikes.
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That write up is laughably and unashamedly biased.

“...Before the jury was brought into the courtroom we heard some discussion about the complication of Morries Hall, the reported drug dealer in the Floyd’s Mercedes SUV, announcing he was going to plead the 5th if called to testify in the Chauvin trial.

“Hall has a real problem. If he provided Floyd with the drugs that likely were actual cause of death...”

Not even hiding it.

posted on 8/4/21

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 seconds ago
Yeah the defence are good too. Its a heavier lift by the prosecution than many wish to believe
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Yeah much heavier.
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People will have watched the video and simply concluded that it’s an open and shut case. They won’t listen when told it’s not that simple and they will set fires and start riots when it doesn’t go the way they expected it to (which is basically Chauvin getting the chair with a dry sponge Green Mile style).

posted on 8/4/21

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 27 seconds ago
Tories and Labour voters just need to rally behind one person. Personally the Scottish Labour leader seems a good guy and well spoken. Disgraceful the extent to which Scotland has become a one party state.
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It will remain a one party state at least till they gain independence,and if that goes wrong it will no longer remain a one party state.
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It’s not even a one party government 🤷‍♂️

This one party state narrative really is embarrassing.
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I reckon we round up these narrators, throw rotten veggies at them and yell SHAME

Up for it mate?
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😂😂

Luckily unlike some of the modellers I don’t know any SNP folk so could well be getting my organic veg ready to throw!

posted on 8/4/21

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 27 seconds ago
Tories and Labour voters just need to rally behind one person. Personally the Scottish Labour leader seems a good guy and well spoken. Disgraceful the extent to which Scotland has become a one party state.
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It will remain a one party state at least till they gain independence,and if that goes wrong it will no longer remain a one party state.
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It’s not even a one party government 🤷‍♂️

This one party state narrative really is embarrassing.
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I reckon we round up these narrators, throw rotten veggies at them and yell SHAME

Up for it mate?
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😂😂

Luckily unlike some of the modellers I don’t know any SNP folk so could well be getting my organic veg ready to throw!
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Aaah that’s why you didn’t take my comments light heartedly - you know some of them.

Nothing personal against them but I think if their best guess numbers are 15-19 and it ends up being 1-5 then they should take a few tomatoes to the body

🍅🍅🍅

At least I’m not suggesting using corn on the cob (where would that go)

🌽 🌽 🌽

posted on 8/4/21

This also appears in Mr Branca’s objective and careful legal assessment:

“Certainly, if I had to choose between two situations, one in which I was placed in a prone position while handcuffed for 10 minutes, and another in which I was forced to ingest a three-fold fatal dose of fentanyl, I know which I’d pick, and quickly.”

posted on 8/4/21

Newsflash for those who need it

Analysis from a career defence attorney is likely to favour the defence.

SHOCKER

posted on 8/4/21

“But the state’s terrible, horrible no good, very bad day wasn’t over yet. Next up was the state’s MPD expert on medical issues, Officer Nicole MacKenzie.

“Again direct was by Schleiter, and again he used the same old playbook. Provide half the context, in a childishly simplistic form that stripped out all context and certainly ignored the totality of the circumstances.”

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